JUSTSAYNODEAL


PUMAs You are being played by the GOP

For those of you looking for a GOP sponsored site aimed at dividing Democrats and smearing Obama you've come to the wrong place.
You Emotional investment in Hillary Clinton is being played by the GOP to effect a third GW Bush term.  

John McCain called his wife a C*nt at a public event.

John McCain joked at a fund raiser "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

This is the guy you would rather have appointing the next 2-3 Supreme court justices?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/8/11524 5/9660

John McCain wants 100 years of war.

John McCain wants to create the world's first ever fetus police.

John McCain admires George Bush's foreign policy.

John McCain loves the lobbyists he says he hates.

John McCain wants to give Social Security to Wall Street.

Obama is not a Sexist!http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/24/1244 27/411

It is not solely his responsibility to wage war on sexism in the media.   He condemned the few instances of sexism that came out of his campaign.  If you are upset about Obama not doing more, why is that outrage not directed equally at John McCain?  

Stop the Madness.

You were not "Robbed"! Hillary Clinton's campaign mismanaged all her advantages.  Obama was trailing in Super Delegates until he locked up a majority of the pledged delegates. At which point the super delegates were not going to deny him the nomination, and create a huge fracture in the party.

Again; She had more super delegates (More DNC support) right up until the end when she lost huge in NC and barely inched out a 20k win in IN. At that point the pledged delegate race was over. The "Outrage" at the DNC appears to be about the rules committee not changing the rules at the 11th hour and hand Clinton HUGE wins in FL and MI. A rules committee, BTW, made up a majority of Clinton supporters.

So your choice looses the primary, and suddenly Fox news is your best friend, you're pushing Obama smear videos made by hate same groups that smeared Clinton(Mr&Mrs), Kerry and Gore. You actually believe he has the same views and Rev. Wright?

Potential PUMA voters need to do a gut check and really examine why they don't like Obama.

I registered the domain JUSTSAYNODEAL.ORG  and pointed it to this diary.

The Democratic Primary was fairly played and Hillary lost. If you really do stand for democratic values you will vote for Barack Obama.

The GOP Site is JUSTSAYNODEAL.COM

The latest McSame misogyny:

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Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (2.00 / 1)

John McCain called his wife a C*nt at a public event.

John McCain joked at a fund raiser "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

John McCain wants 100 years of war.

John McCain wants to create the world's first ever fetus police.

John McCain admires George Bush's foreign policy.

John McCain loves the lobbyists he says he hates.

John McCain wants to give Social Security to Wall Street.

Anyone who thinks this guy is a moderate or supports women's rights is pulling the wool over their eyes.


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:17:30 PM EST

by the way (none / 0)

what is a PUMA?

Also, please see my comment below.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:44:36 PM EST
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Re: by the way (none / 0)

It stands for "Party Unity My Ass"


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:52:33 PM EST
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Re: by the way (none / 0)

I think it means People United Means Action, but I like yours better....Party Unity My Ass.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:05:49 PM EST
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Re: by the way (none / 0)

It used to stand for the first one, but they apparently changed it to the second one to make themselves seem more legitimate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun /07/hillaryclinton.barackobama

It's not working.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:09:22 PM EST
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Re: by the way (2.00 / 1)

Actually, it now may stand for "Public United Means Action."

Really it stands for nothing.

Someone made a cheap photoshop, someone came up with a stupid acronym, and certain unfortunate lost souls with a taste for the tasteless, melodramatic, and unintentionally kitschy latched on to it.

PUMAs don't exist except on blogs and in rare, ever-so-rare gatherings of a half dozen folks in a living room echo chamber or with signs on  street corner.

It's an illusion with bad branding.


by Addison on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:09:16 PM EST
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Re: by the way (none / 0)

oh thank god.  

I thought it was another nickname for cougars.

blech...


by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:58:29 PM EST
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Actually, it stands for nothing, (none / 0)

because if Hillary was your first choice, and McCain is somehow your second, then you don't really stand for anything at all.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:54:52 PM EST
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Stop the Madness. (none / 0)

It only takes a few batshit crazy "dead enders for Hillary" to make it seem like they're everywhere.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:18:10 PM EST

It is the same 800 (2.00 / 1)

people that post at all of these sites, it is kind of like Hillaryis44 had 100000 comments made by 314 people.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:20:02 PM EST
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Please (2.00 / 2)

stop with this "deadender" BS. This is a term made famous by rummie and shooter.

I would really like to know where some of you Obama supporters get some of your "points". I am constantly seeing the over used "FAIL" and "deadenders" terms being used. It is really tiring.

You are not doing anything to help promote "unity, hope and change". Some of the Clinton supporters are not going to change or run over to Obama as quick as you want, but if you continue to diss them you will loose the more hardcore supporters.

So... please stop.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:43:38 PM EST
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Re: Please (none / 0)

No, sorry, the people who are on NoQuarter are not deadenders, they are simply losers, and with so much at stake we don't need losers in a party that is trying to win.

Is that better?


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:55:52 PM EST
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shh! don't discourage 'em ;-) (2.00 / 1)


by campskunk on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:57:14 PM EST
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Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (2.00 / 4)

Thanks for another insulting diary by yet another novice who has no idea what Hillary supporters will or won't do.


by Tolstoy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:21:25 PM EST

LOL. I was familiar with cougars, (none / 0)

but it took me far too long to remember pumas. Kept looking at it as if it were an acronym, until I finally got it.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:22:02 PM EST

Re: LOL. I was familiar with cougars, (none / 0)

help me out dude, im only 29,  is this something I should know?

what is a puma in politics?

thanks


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:26:50 PM EST
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Re: LOL. I was familiar with cougars, (none / 0)

Party Unity My Ass


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:30:56 PM EST
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So (2.00 / 2)

is this another term being widely over used by hardcore Obama supporters such as "FAIL" and "deadenders"? If so, please stop. It is annoying.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:46:46 PM EST
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Kevin (2.00 / 1)

PUMAs are people who are so upset at the nomination process that they are leaving the democratic party (hence the acronym Party Unity My Arse).  They vow to work to defeat Obama.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:49:45 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (2.00 / 2)

I have a problem with this because it is starting to be over used, is annoying and sounds insulting just like the whole FAIL and deadenders stuff.

I hope you know how I feel SG, but I also hope you know that at times there are SOME Obama supporters that do not live the "hope, unity and change" thing. These people are not helping and cause some hard core supporters to say... "unity?... yea.. whatever".

I hope you understand this.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:55:51 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (none / 0)

Kevin, what are you talking about,  the only time we use FAIL is when someone posts a concern diary how they are so worried about this or that.

You are basically trying to defend deadender trolls?

They want to unity, therefore the cool new acronym PUMA.

Kevin,  when someone says "Party Unity My Ass" and I call them a PUMA, how am I hurting party unity when they just decried it?


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:58:05 PM EST
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Let me try and explain (2.00 / 3)

This is coming from someone who started as a Wes Clark supporter, went to Edwards, then after much reflection, reading and listening went with Clinton (I still think Obama and Clinton are to corporate friendly).

It seemd the FAIL term was brought in by Obama supporters. It was used against Clinton supporters and trolls. It was used against me. Actually it was used against me today by LtWorf. It needs to go away.

The term deadender just makes me think and hear rummie and shooter. Do we really want to copy them? What makes someone a deadender? That they are being stubborn about accepting Obama? A troll is a troll, a stubborn hardcore supporter is... just that.

The PUMA thing follows in the same vein as deadenders. Yes some may be trolls, some may be hardcore supporters that are being stubborn but once again, how is that helping things? It is like with alegre, she is not willing to let go right now, she is being stubborn, she has her own personal reasons to hold on as she does. But if she is mocked and told off, do you think she will "come around" or end up saying F You?

"Hope, Unity and Change" - is this just a slogan? Are these just words or are they words that should be lived?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:09:29 PM EST
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About LtWorf (2.00 / 4)

He is an ass, I got into a flame war with him cause he was gratuitously bashing Clinton supporters (I think it was sricki), when I told he to tone down he said to step off.  He then got TR'ed fairly badly.

Ignore LtWorf, you are better off doing so as he/she is a disrupter of the community.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:14:26 PM EST
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Re: Let me try and explain (none / 0)

Dude, PUMA is what Hillary supporters call themselves.  It has nothing to do with Obama supporters.


by catalysis on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:36:33 PM EST
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duuuude (2.00 / 1)

thanks dude.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:10:37 PM EST
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Re: duuuude (none / 0)

You're welcome dude


by catalysis on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:31:32 PM EST
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Re: duuuude (none / 0)

You are the dude, dude.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM EST
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I do (2.00 / 3)

That is why this place is my internet home and not Dkos/OpenLeft.  I like being rational and hearing different opinions.  I know the PUMA movement is very small and won't make one wit of difference in the General election.

I used the term because nothing better came to mind to describe them.  They vow not to unify and advocate for Voting for McCain.  I guess I should have been more careful with my wording down below.  Maybe hard-core anti-Obama people would fit better.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:01:16 PM EST
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Re: I do (1.00 / 2)

I usually call them "Republicans". ;)


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:17:39 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (none / 0)

"FAIL" is just internet slang that is used for trolls across the web on many sites. It has nothing to do with insulting Hillary supporters, it's just a playful, non-sequiter way to respond to people who are being obnoxious or spamming a site.


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:03:25 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (2.00 / 2)

it was and still is used here and at dkos against Hillary supporters.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:10:39 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (2.00 / 1)

If anyone is insulting people needlessly, I disagree with it, whatever catchphrase they use. On the other hand, I'm not sure I feel the need to be polite to people like Jacob Freeze or Michael Begala, who clearly have no desire to change their mind.


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:16:41 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (2.00 / 1)

But not here. This supposed to be a site were you can have reasonable, in dept discussions. The last thing I want is immature annoying fads without content that are neither, funny or original from the rest of the fouling up this place.

Being obnoxious or spamming a site describes those sort of "Fail" posts and the commentator that leaves exactly. You want to do memes? Then there is the entire rest the Internet to your disposal, do them somewhere else.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:21:47 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (none / 0)

is this directed at me?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:30:34 PM EST
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Re: Kevin (none / 0)

Hey, I am not in favor of it and have never used it.  On the other hand, if there is a rumor-mongering, anti-Democrat diary and someone posts dancing badgers or one of those FAIL graphics in response, I won't be too bothered by it.


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:48:24 PM EST
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Re: So (none / 0)

Not at all! It's a term of "pride"/solidarity that was invented by Hillary supporters who refuse to support Obama or plan to vote for McCain.


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:51:49 PM EST
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Re: So (none / 0)

No, no, this is all Clinton supporters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun /07/hillaryclinton.barackobama


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:53:34 PM EST
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Please explain... (none / 0)

this:

"No, no, this is all Clinton supporters"


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:56:59 PM EST
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Re: Please explain... (none / 0)

The people who came up with the term are Clinton supporters. Or "supporters", to be more accurate.

It's not a term Obama supporters made up to trash Clinton "supporters"; it was self-coined. That's what they call themselves, and they're proud to declare they'd rather see McCain in office than Obama.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:59:59 PM EST
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Re: Please explain... (none / 0)

Do you get what we are saying? They invented the acronym and are proudly using it on sites like No Quarter. We are just being descriptive when we use it. It's not an insult.


by animated on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:01:12 PM EST
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Re: LOL. I was familiar with cougars, (none / 0)

It's just another word for cougar :^)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cougar

Although Party Unity My Ass sounds good too, haha...


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:32:17 PM EST
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Go to this site (none / 0)

riverdaughter.wordpress.com/

or if you like to see these people mocked:

theconfusedconfluence.blogspot.com/

PUMA is Party Unity My Ass or People United Means Action (it is the HQ of the 'deadenders').


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:32:23 PM EST
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Re: Go to this site (none / 0)

Where is the koolaiders HQ? Kos or DD?


by gorgias on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:35:04 PM EST
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Wow (none / 0)

a real live puma, I will be polite and say that myDD is much more subdued than Dkos.

So to answer your question you are looking for the Great Orange Cthulhu.

I think I saw it over there --------------------------------------&g t;


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:38:13 PM EST
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Re: Wow (2.00 / 2)

myDD is much more subdued than Dkos.
Not so much anymore.

I think I saw it over there
I saw your name on another blog but it was written by a third party.


by soyousay on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 08:56:46 PM EST
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And where was that (none / 0)

I take my name very seriously and want the contact of the person using my name.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:06:30 PM EST
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Re: And where was that (2.00 / 1)

No one is/was using your name (not that I know of.) Someone just mentioned your name. Nothing bad really...They just mentioned that they thought you we're one of the main bloggers on this site. "Student guy" isn't your real name is it? :D Hey, you're famous.


by soyousay on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:11:23 PM EST
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YOu mind telling me where (none / 0)

I would be greatly appreciative and would go back and un-mojo a comment you thought was offensive.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:19:56 PM EST
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Sorry, can't remember which one.... (2.00 / 1)

It was last week. I read many blogs but don't actually contribute to them. I just noticed "student guy" while browsing. That's an easy name to remember. The only reason I mentioned it at all is because you said you saw someone elses name on another site. Forget about it, I shouldn't have mention it.


by soyousay on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:25:59 PM EST
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Okay (none / 0)

I have actually commented at the Confluence before (my comment pointed out riverdaughter's use of right wing memes and got zapped with in 3 minutes, I also am at MNPublius, Dkos, RuralVotes (both TheField and TheBackForty), and a few others.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:31:46 PM EST
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Re: Okay (2.00 / 1)

If you blog often enough, someone will eventually mention your name. A few days ago, I was surprised to see my name mentioned in a diary here. It wasn't so positive though...Oh well, what can I say? I've got thick skin, I can take it. :D


by soyousay on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 10:39:44 PM EST
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Pretty Useless Mccain Apparatchiks. (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:43:01 PM EST
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Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (2.00 / 1)

It's best just to pay them no mind. If we want to move on, then let's move on and focus on Obama-McCain and the important issues at stake.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:53:45 PM EST

Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (2.00 / 1)

Ha! You look too high up the puppeteer food chain.

PUMAs are being played by t-shirt and bumper sticker salespeople. The GOP would've invested enough to avoid the self-parody of unstable people seeing red running around in cheap black shirts with pink Puma brand sportswear logo knockoffs on them.


by Addison on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 06:54:57 PM EST

Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (none / 0)

What gives you the impression Democrats who will vote for McCain are doing it because they support McCain?


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:03:04 PM EST

Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (none / 0)

HAHAHHAHA!

Yes, indeed, why should one think that a vote in favor of someone being president is a vote in favor of someone being president.

Self-parody! Distilled.

Bottle this comment and sell it to Adult Swim.

(Rescinded if I missed some sarcasm here.)


by Addison on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:12:42 PM EST
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Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (2.00 / 2)

No, actually they're not being played.  Perhaps a better question is, are you being played by the media and Obama?  


by gorgias on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 07:33:52 PM EST

16 Pandas brought to Beijing (2.00 / 1)

I think of PUMA as a temporary virtual decompression zone for some people. We're always going to see a broad range of response levels to any given event or stressor in the life of any human being. What is the cause of the epidemic level of alcoholism that is so dismissed by most people? Is it a genetic based disease, a mental health related issue with a psychological pathology, bad choices inflamed by more bad choices, or an overreaction to a situation where people really feel completely helpless? I've been treating alcoholics for decades and I don't have the answer. I do know that if someone is approached in an aggressive manner they will typically just become more defensive and creative in their ways to deny that anything is causing them to do something which could be rationally described as illogical.

For some people, but not all, paying attention to a psychological process that usually does resolve itself can actually enable a slower resolution. Our team lost, some people still gripe and complain about the referees and revising the rules, and eventually everybody just remembers it as a good point in time or history they were part of.

Hillary Clinton affirmed or supported a lot of her supporters perceptions of who they are. She definitelt earned their respect. She also offered appealing policies and solutions to those who voted for her for reasons that were beyond gender, income, educational background, age or race reasons.  Hence, the process of just "getting over it" needs to happen in a way that lets some people hold onto their identity and individually adjust their heads, while not insulting those who voted for Hillary for one or more other reasons outside of identity reinforcement.

Just a bit of advice, if I may. The former might be explained by the following, whereas the overwhelming majority (and total percentage of Hillary voters) are already on the Obama team.

Yes, there will be insidious people who act like drug company reps offering a pharmaceutical intervention for a kid who just really doesn't take well to sitting in a classroom at a desk for hours on end, but if you listen to the kid long enough you will see if there really is a problem. Sometimes the parents wanting the kid to conform are part of the problem. I know other parents might have differences of opinion on approaches, and parents definitely have their own unique basepoint of patience, but you won't be able to convince me that most parents aren't really pushing conformity because they don't want their kids "handicapped" in society.

Enforcing conformity on someone for any reason almost always ends up badly unless their actions are actually victimizing others. In  this case, the onus on preventing inertia from overtaking PUMA is on PUMA. The ones I have dealt with as part of the confluence are really passionate people who don't see things through the framework of the objectives of a political campaign operative. I do see them being encroached upon by opportunists and salespeople. The authentic ones will see better ways to express themselves in very short time. The other two dozen or so will be left selling rotten carrots to each other, very similar to Hillaryis44.

No political Party ever has 100% buy in to their talking points or policies.We should be welcoming and praising and listening to those Democrats who have already re-united. Don't expect all of them to be all chipper quite yet, but they are the ones who will win this election, not the proportionally smaller pool of Independents or a really small group of very disgruntled Democrats who will come around or at least do no harm in November. Frankly, I'm surprised just how quickly many Hillary voters have already enjoined the Obama campaign with fervor.  

And please lets not forget that judicial appointments at all levels besides the Supreme Court are also at stake, and they are the ones that will have an even more wretched effect on people's lives. The list could easily be expanded, because it's not just PUMAs who can be said to be getting played by the GOP. They don't even really support McCain as more than a vector for their own selfish, greedy and corrupt goals.


by Jeter on Mon Jun 09, 2008 at 09:22:32 PM EST

Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (none / 0)

the point puma is trying to make is that many of us believe it is a stolen election where the dnc sanctioned it.

if FL/MI were seated in full HRC would have 1726 pledged delegates and BO would have 1705....

she has the popular vote

so we don't believe that it was fair....

that is the argument many of us are trying to make and will continue to make to the SD's....until august.


by nikkid on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:08:01 AM EST

Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (none / 0)

Given that Obama's current number of pledged delegates is 1765.5, it's difficult to see how they would go down if you seated Florida and Michigan in full.

You do realize that seating them in full means Obama gets double the number of pledged delegates from Florida that he got, right? So his number goes up.

So, am guessing you merely lie.


by Aris Katsaris on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:39:22 AM EST
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Re: PUMAs You are being played by the GOP (none / 0)

his number goes DOWN because he stole the 55 uncommitted delegates from michigan.

we will take it to the conventin.


by nikkid on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:05:49 AM EST
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