HRC as VP Makes No Sense for either of them

From HRC's vantage point, VP would in reality be a very stifling and confining role for her. She is far too good for her talents to be wasted on that. This will not be a Cheney II role for heavens sake.It will be more like Bush 1 was to Reagan

From Obama's standpoint, he would be Very unwise to offer it to her, for several already well documented  reasons, even in the unlikely event that Michelle would buy in to the idea (and Michelle will be  the 'decider'here-partic if HRC is the suggested choice). Quite apart from other reasons, Obama needs to be seen as his own person and not in HRC's daily shadow. In a word-she's too strong.

He will not pick another woman-too risky that HRC's entourage will feel enraged--  he will instead pick a caucasian white man around his own age category...not  a materially older type like Clark. Edwards might have been safe but that's out of the question now.



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Re: HRC as VP Makes No Sense for either of them (none / 0)

You think so.


by ottovbvs on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 06:04:47 PM EST

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he needs to be his own man "

thats what you said after suggesting that it's his wife who plays heavily in making the call on hillary...

heh


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by aliveandkickin on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 06:33:06 PM EST
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"Obama needs to be seen as his own person and not in HRC's daily shadow. In a word-she's too strong."

Oh, yee of such little faith?  

YOUNGER doesn't neccesarily mean weaker?

You DID catch him put Lieberman in his place yesterday?

Has Reid or Kerry or any OTHER long-time senator backed Wild Card Republican and Committee Chairman Joementum down?  

He stepped out of line, and Barack swatted him in the nose and said "Bad Puppy!"

Most of JFK's advisors were "older" and "more experienced" then he was...

Most of them also wanted bomb Cuba during the Missile Crisis?  

JFK had the gut instinct and wisedom to trust the one advisor that said something different?

President Obama will not be in anyone's shadow.

Watch him in the next month.  Watch him take over the Democratic party.  

I like Senator Clinton, her knowledge is encyclopedic, her grit and determination unmatchable.

But, my take is, he is a better manager, probably a better organizer?  

Look at the discipline of his campaign?

As you Clinton folks come on board, I can see you STILL want to think this was a trick, that he snuck in, that "OK, I KNOW I have to go with him, but she would be a better president?"

Hey, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THAT?  

I think she would have been a good president?

But, I think he can be a great president?  

So, I think the dream ticket doesn't work, only because WHY do the Clintons want to be the assistant when they have been in charge?

And, because Barrack doesn't need anyone looking over his shoulder that THINKS they are better qualified for the job?

Remember, Harry Truman was outfront: JFK was TOO Young, and not experienced enough for the job.

At each generational hand-off, the same story is told.

But the story stays the same.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 06:28:57 PM EST

Re: HRC as VP Makes No Sense for either of them (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton will be Vice President. By late this summer it will be apparent. Women voters have seen the future and I don't think they will be in the mood to wait for another woman to reach high office. Hillary as VP will be the price Obama has to pay for waging political warfare using sexism and Hillary hatred.

A second unexpected benefit is that the more Hillary campaigns on Obama's behalf, the more it will be clear what an outstanding candidate she is, and the more women will chaffe that she was not chosen. In addition, once the Republican's start muddying Obama up and Hillary comes to his defence, the higher her profile and fighting skills will be admired, even in his own camp.

Its quite ironic that as Hillary advances Obama's candidacy by campaigning for him, her own cause will be also advanced. By the late summer he will have no choice but to offer her VP.


by superetendar on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM EST

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"A second unexpected benefit is that the more Hillary campaigns on Obama's behalf, the more it will be clear what an outstanding candidate she is, and the more women will chaffe that she was not chosen. "

And, this benefits the Democratic Party how?

BTW, Obama doesn't have to pay a price?  

He is now the head of the Democratic Party?

Your choice is to join the rest of us, or go play with the McCain folks over at NoQuarter?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 07:03:33 PM EST

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There are so many excellent choices that I see no reason to be limited to other primary candidates.  I'm looking forward to the results of his VP committee which I'm sure will do an excellent job vetting candidates. I can't imagine how the Clintons would pass the vetting process so I assume Hillary is out, although that will never be said. Personally, I think he should pick Gov. Strickland of Ohio.


by Becky G on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:04:13 PM EST

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Agreed. Having her in the Senate would be just as, if not more, valuable if he assured her of her place in the party. You say there has never been a female President, I say there has also never been a female leader of the Senate.

Part of this is because I really do favor a return of the Vice-President to the actual, traditional role. I don't want a VP like Cheney. I would also like to see Congress return to a more important role, one that actually has as much credibility and strength as the President. So in an ideal world, I would think that the chief Senate majority leader would be a true superstar in that body.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:47:31 PM EST
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Re: HRC as VP Makes No Sense for either of them (none / 0)

Senator Clinton will be a force to be reckoned with in the Senate, the Supreme Court, or wherever she ends up.  However, I don't believe the vice presidency is a right fit.  A lot of people sense it, even Clinton supporters, and I don't think it's going to happen.  


by Democrat in Chicago on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:43:00 PM EST

It makes less sense for her (none / 0)

why be VP when she can still be in the Senate, author important bills in the Democratic majority, maybe rise to chair a powerful committe like Armed Services or something.

She's better off in the Senate.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:49:01 PM EST

Let's let Senator Obama decide (none / 0)

I don't think it is very productive discussing any individual in terms of very superficial aspects such as race, age, ethnicity or gender. At least it's not very pleasant to read. I'd like to mention again that Senator Obama has been very magnanimous with regards to Senator Clinton, and they both have been highly complimentary of each other publicly. Some day we'll read about what was said yesterday between Senators Obama and Clinton in history books as part of the story of the remarkable historic achievements of both of them. I do know that they are friends, and remain so. They will help each other out, as even friends in historical situations do for their friends.


John McCain is a liar. Erratic, poor judgment.
by Jeter on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:58:36 PM EST


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