John Edwards Rules Out VP...Again

This is becoming sort of like the "will Gore run for president or won't he?" thing. No matter how many times he said he wasn't running, people kept insisting he still might. John Edwards seems to want to put any speculation about this behind him with some recent statements to Spanish media...

Former U.S. Senator John Edwards has ruled out being Barack Obama's running mate on the Democratic presidential ticket, according to interviews carried by two leading Spanish newspapers on Friday.

"I already had the privilege of running for vice president in 2004, and I won't do it again," Edwards was quoted by El Mundo as saying. El Pais, the country's other leading daily, carried similar comments.

It's being reported as news even though right after Edwards endorsed Barack Obama, he sat down with Harry Smith and said the following about the possibility of being Obama's #2 (Liame has video.)

No. I'm not interested. I just don't have any interest in it, I've done that. What I want to do is get Senator Obama elected president.

Of course, now that we know that Obama will be on the top of the ticket, it's natural for speculation about the VP slot to heat up, as speculation about an Obama/Clinton ticket has. Interesting then that Howard Wolfson would make this statement in an apparent attempt to push back against the idea that Hillary Clinton is angling, perhaps even pressuring Obama for the VP slot:

"While Senator Clinton has made clear throughout this process that she will do whatever she can to elect a Democrat to the White House, she is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her. The choice here is Senator Obama's and his alone."

That's not to say she doesn't want it, of course. She did tell the NY congressional delegation recently that she'd be open to being on the ticket and top Clinton supporter Lanny Davis has joined joint ticket advocacy group Vote Both. The Clinton team seems to have concluded that, as Greg Sargent observes, the more it looks like she's pursuing it, the less likely she is to get it.

Update [2008-6-6 12:37:6 by Todd Beeton]:Chuck Schumer breaks down the Clinton party line on VP on today's Good Morning America:

One of Clinton's top supporters, fellow New York Sen. Charles Schumer, said Friday that Clinton would agree to be Obama's running mate if he offered the No. 2 spot to her.

"She has said if Sen. Obama should want her to be vice president and thinks it would be best for the ticket, she will serve, she will accept that. But on the other hand, if he chooses someone else she will work just as hard for the party in November," Schumer told ABC's "Good Morning America."

Schumer said the meeting between Clinton and Obama was not about the vice presidency.



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Neither will make the ticket. (2.00 / 1)

looking at things from the Obama administration's perspective, Edwards is ruled out because he was already part of a failed run, because he doesn't bring in states, and because he doesn't want the spot. Clinton is out because she won't allow herself or her husband to be vetted; don't ask, don't tell doesn't work when applying for the VP slot.

My guess is he goes with a governor or senator who endorsed early, who shows loyalty, whose ideals are in tune with his, and who would fight like hell on the campaign trail.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:17:21 PM EST

Re: Neither will make the ticket. (2.00 / 1)

Well, early endorsement might not be a great idea - he may want a Clinton supporter. I think Richardson and Webb are both very possible.


by Falsehood on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:19:59 PM EST
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Re: Neither will make the ticket. (none / 0)

I'm not seeing Richardson as a VP pick for some reason.

Ambassador to the UN though?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:55:28 PM EST
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Re: Neither will make the ticket. (2.00 / 1)

Richardson seems like a choice that pokes a stick in the eye of Clinton supporters.  Seems like a bad choice.  As does Webb, with his "Women Can't Fight" article.  Yeah, I know he regrets it, but treading carefully seems wise.

I think Wesley Clark.  Clintonite, military, has done major work with the Democrats around the country, has been in a national campaign before.  


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by bosdcla14 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:09:23 PM EST
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Re: Neither will make the ticket. (none / 0)

I agree.  Of the cadre of top-tier Clinton supporters, I think Clark would have to be at the top of the list.  He provides some serious foriegn policy cred, and makes for a nice counterpoint to McCain's "soldier" personae.

A peacful, protective warrior is more appealing that an overly aggressive codger.  "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran", and all that nonsense.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:18:41 PM EST
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Re: Neither will make the ticket. (none / 0)

Jeez, sorry all, I'm full of feckin' typos today.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:21:59 PM EST
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Re: Neither will make the ticket. (none / 0)

I used to be pro-Richardson VP, but I've heard he's more of a centrist than Obama is, and I imagine one of his higher priorities will be hiring someone who wouldn't tack to the right if Obama got hit by a meteor. This is also what makes Webb and Richardson seem unlikely to me. If I'm Obama, there's not much point in running a reform candidacy if my successor would just take things back to the way they were before I came along if something happened to me.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:58:49 PM EST
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Re: Neither will make the ticket. (none / 0)

But Edwards would make a great Supreme Court Justice!

I wonder how much support an Edwards nomination to the Supreme Court would have in Congress?

Would the Republicans launch a full-bore attempt to block his nomination?

It used to be a rule in the Senate that you don't block the advancement of one of your own Senators.

But, that was back long ago in the era of comity. Nowadays, it's full scale warfare, so the minority could try and filibuster Edwards.

But, I think he's such a well known public figure that it would be difficult for them to really paint him as "extremist."

I still think they'd try, but I doubt they'd succeed.

I think Edwards on the S.Ct. would be better than Edwards as VP or Attorney General. He could even serve as attorney general until a spot opened up on the Court, which is likely in the next 2 or 3 years, since the most liberal justices especially John Paul Stevens are seriously OLD dudes at this point.

I think Stevens is 84. He needs to let a Democratic President appoint someone else and not do what Justice Marshall did during the Carter administration and hang on until a Republican gets into office, and then try desperately to hang on further, only to be forced to retire from ill health.


by Cugel on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 03:04:24 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Rules Out VP...Again (2.00 / 1)

Edwards for AG - I think that's much more likely.


by Falsehood on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:19:02 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Rules Out VP...Again (none / 0)

Yep yep.  Truism from Falsehood.  :)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:52:44 PM EST
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Hillary, Go Underground (none / 0)

She should decompress for a time and then plunge back into her Senate work.

He'll pick her, she just has to demonstrate what her behavior would be as VP for the next 8 years.

I think people will be genuinely surprised at how unobtrusive and generally passive Hillary could be while at the same time being effective in a VP position.

This might be good because she could work to bring down her negatives over the next 8 years and (hopefully) run unopposed for the nomination in 2016.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:27:13 PM EST

Re: Hillary, Go Underground (2.00 / 1)

I believe Hillary was already bringing down her negatives as the race continued.

Sadly, she didn't have the right people running things from the beginning.  By the time Maggie Williams and Harold Ickes too control, it was too late.

If McCain wins in November (and there is a good chance for that), Hillary WILL come back in 2012.  


by stefystef on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:54:01 PM EST
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Too bad (2.00 / 1)


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:27:30 PM EST

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He'll make a good Labor Secretary


by CapTim on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:28:23 PM EST

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JRE has an eye for AG, and I think he's a shoe-in for it.  I'll bet a solid dollar he gets it.

I'm speculating semi-wildly, but I don't think BO wants HRC as VP, and IMHO, she doesn't want it either.  I think she'd much rather flex her politcal muscle as senate majority leader.

If any part of last night's clandestine meeting was about the VP spot, my guess is that talks were limited to planning the political theater necessary to assuage the bloc of folks who still pine for a "dream ticket".

Eh, we don't know squat.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:51:15 PM EST

Re: John Edwards Rules Out VP...Again (none / 0)

Everyone is yapping about giving Hillary the Majority Senate Leader seat, but I don't see Reid stepping down for her.  Why should Reid give up his position for her?

So let's stop finding "jobs" for Hillary to do.


by stefystef on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:20:10 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Rules Out VP...Again (none / 0)

I heard Tweety proclaimed he knows the VP pick will be Sebelius.  Anyone else heard this?


by JustJennifer on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:17:55 PM EST

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No but a pro choice catholic from a midwestern state.  On the surface she has the demographics.  Would be an interesting choice.

Now would she make it through the vetting process, that's the key


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by xenontab on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:22:38 PM EST
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Hmmm, no.  Hadn't heard that, but everyone has considered her a strong possibility for some time now.

Honestly, I don't know all that much about her.  Her SOTU rebuttal was kind of a dud though.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:24:50 PM EST
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Re: John Edwards Rules Out VP...Again (2.00 / 1)

Yes, her rebuttal was terrible.  I don't know much about her either.  I think if he picks her or another woman some of the Clinton fans will just get more angry.


by JustJennifer on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:23:48 PM EST
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Tweety is a twit.


by stefystef on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:18:28 PM EST
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A general note of cynicism (none / 0)

After Obama and Clinton's late night meeting in DC, a small bit -- just a smidgen -- of cynicism develops in my political soul.  A new book discloses who Kerry really really wanted as VP in 2004:

For his vice presidential running mate, Kerry wanted to select a Republican, and not just any Republican, but John McCain, the man whom Rove had slandered in the 2000 primary season in order to win the nomination for Bush.

To get McCain to join the ticket, Kerry began an all-out behind-the-scenes campaign to convince him it was in the best interests of the country for him to run as his vice president. Kerry approached McCain on more than one occasion and asked him, without making the offer directly, what McCain would do if Kerry were to ask him officially to consider being his running mate. McCain's answer was always the same. He was not interested in going on the ticket with Kerry. At one point Kerry even offered to create a hybrid position of vice president and secretary of state as a way to make the position more powerful, and potentially more appealing. But the answer was still no. According to a source, Kerry went so far as to telephone Cindy McCain to see if she would lobby her husband.

This is from an advance copy of Paul Alexander's new book about Karl Rove, Machiavelli's Shadow, http://www.amazon.com/Machiavellis-Shado w-Rise-Fall-Karl/dp/1594868255/ref=pd_bb s_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=12126 91215&sr=8-1
 as revealed on Wonkette at

http://wonkette.com/400247/wonkette-excl usive-dirty-insider-secrets-about-john-k errys-failed-attempt-to-get-john-mccain- to-be-his-running-mate-in-04

Now just imagine that having McCain on the ticket was enough to give Kerry the victory in 2004.  And imagine (and this is easy) that Kerry was a lousy president, and that as 2008 approached the exit from Iraq had gone badly and the economy was going into the tank (which likely would have happened no matter who was the president).  Kerry declines another run, and John McCain is the heir apparent.  Perhaps he would have chosen the rising young star Barack Obama as his VP choice.

Also, let's suppose that Gore had pulled a few more FL voters, and he was president through this year.  The Democrats' likely nominee might now be Joe Lieberman, his VP running mate.  Perhaps we would see a Lieberman/Obama ticket.

The lesson: never give money to a political candidate.


by katmandu1 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:27:17 PM EST

John Edwards will be the attorney general (none / 0)

I bet $100 bucks on it.


by puma on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:28:44 PM EST

Re: John Edwards will be the attorney general (none / 0)

I don't think so.
Edwards has never voiced and interest in that.

John Edwards doesn't need to play "second fiddle" to Obama.


by stefystef on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:17:53 PM EST
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I think Obama's VP will be John Edwards, Wesley Clark, or Tim Kaine of Virginia.

http://the-independent13.blogspot.com/


by tomanderson13 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:32:57 PM EST

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Well Clinton is saying all the right things now, good for her. More like this please.

Also Wes Clark for VP, he's got ties to the Clintons  but also seems to be a good man with some very good ideas.


by MNPundit on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:57:13 PM EST

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I do no see John Edwards playing second fiddle to the man who co-opted his populist stance and helped the media marginalized his campaign and basically, IMHO, took from him the place he should be in- presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party of the United States.  

John Edwards is too good to be one of Obama's "boys".


by stefystef on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:16:36 PM EST


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