Name him or her...or STFU!!

Congressman Andrews,

You have levelled a very serious charge at an unnamed senior Clinton campaign official.  The charge is serious enough that, if true, would constitute a firing offence.  Indeed, if the unnamed senior campaign official is guilty of what you accuse him/her of, then he/she should be banished from the Democratic party altogether.

Therefore, you should either name that official.. you obviously know who he/she is.  Or you should STFU and quit making dark insinuations which cannot be verified!!

Link:

CAMDEN, N.J. - A Democratic congressman from New Jersey accused Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign of trying to exploit tensions between Jews and blacks.

Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Clinton, said in a newspaper interview that he received a call from a top member of Clinton's organization shortly before the April 22 Pennsylvania primary who explicitly discussed a strategy of winning Jewish voters by exploiting tensions between Jews and blacks.

"There have been signals coming out of the Clinton campaign that have racial overtones that indeed disturb me," Andrews said, according to a report in The Star-Ledger in Newark, N.J. "Frankly, I had a private conversation with a high-ranking person in the campaign ... that used a racial line of argument that I found very disconcerting. It was extremely disconcerting given the rank of this person. It was very disturbing."

Andrews declined to disclose the caller's name. Clinton spokesman Phil Singer denied the accusation, according to the Star-Ledger.

"Comments like these, coming so soon after Congressman Andrews' crushing defeat, are sad and divisive," Singer said, referring to Andrews' unsuccessful challenge to incumbent Sen. Frank Lautenberg in the New Jersey Democratic primary.

Andrews said the phone call came after he angered the Clinton camp by making some positive comments about Obama.



Display:


Give the person a day (none / 0)

to come forward voluntarily and then name him if he doesn't.


by parahammer on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 11:56:42 AM EST

Re: Give the person a day (2.00 / 2)

Yea, Andrews a little too late if you ask me.

By not breaking this immediately you have just implicated yourself in the conspiracy you think you just exposed.

And now what does it do, bloody the now disbanded HRC campaign, create racial/religious tension that wasn't already there regardless of how true or false this is, and make you look like a pandering coward.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:30:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Give the person a day (2.00 / 1)

Andrews remind anyone else of Scott McClellan?  Only complains about stuff after the fact?

I was glad he lost to Lautenberg.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:10:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Give the person a day (none / 0)

You're undercutting your case if you're comparing Andrews to McClellan. In all the denunciations of the ex-Press Secretary, there have been no attacks on the substance of McClellan's allegations. Odds are, he's right.

No opinion on Andrews -- it does seem late to be casting such aspersions. How can he imagine benefiting from these remarks, true or not?


by Twin Planets on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:27:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Give the person a day (none / 0)

Or... and just playing devil's advocate here...

... it could be a pretty solid thing to be saying this after the votings done.

Saying before the PA Vote: "You're trying to influcence the vote."
Saying it before his NJ Primary: "You're trying to influence the vote."

Saying now: Nothing to gain, lots to lose.... I'd be curious to see how this plays out.

But if you're piling on him for timing... what would you prefer?


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:30:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Give the person a day (none / 0)

I actually sorta think they're both telling the truth.  But I don't think truth-telling is the motivation for either.  Instead, for McClellan its money and saving his reputation.

For Andrews, I'm less sure.  Maybe he thinks the way to ingratiate himself with Obama's people is to bash Clinton?  That'd be stupid, but he's shown bad political judgement recently in running against Lautenberg, so maybe showing it again wouldn't be a surprise.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:49:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Give the person a day (none / 0)

As Hillary once said "I believe in Deathbed conversions"

I wish you would stop bashing McLellan,  sure he was a douchebag and for being the top GOP spinster I don't think anyone can trust him, but don't bash him for keeping coming out.

Years from now he will be seen as a patriot.

And believe me, he could make ALOT MORE MONEY as republican water carrier,

Look at Wolfawitz,  a true war criminal hated by the whole world,

Bush sent him to the World Bank, after getting fired for cronyism he is handed a job at a Think Tank.

I salute McLellan, maybe the only republican I would share my sandwich with.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Give the person a day (none / 0)

Fair enough.

McClellan, though.  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 10:11:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sounds like he's trying to curry favor (none / 0)

with Barack Obama. Just cause he's late to the party shouldn't keep him from trying to suck up to the host.


by georgiapeach on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:14:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My bet is that (none / 0)

this person does not exist....


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 11:57:54 AM EST

Re: My bet is that (2.00 / 1)

And if it exists, the surname starts with P...


by Fairy Tale on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:16:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 3)

Rep. Rob Andrews, who supported Clinton

No earthly reason for him to make this up.  He was supporting Clinton.

Should be interesting.


by neonplaque on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:00:39 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

Yes, his support for Clinton makes is so much more relevant, doesnt it.  Clinton supporters are not capable of lying, of making things up...I suppose !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:02:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 1)

Clinton supporters are not capable of lying, of making things up...I suppose !!

Nor are the Clintons themselves, I suppose. ;)

by neonplaque on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:09:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

And neither is Sen Obama, and his supporters...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:09:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Good point- But when serious allegations are made (2.00 / 1)

a person has a right to confront their accuser, otherwise what is to stop people from making up anything they want?

It does not sound like something that would come out of the Clinton campaign. That lack of divisive politicizing has been one of their strong points.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:54:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good point- But (none / 0)

"That lack of divisive politicizing has been one of their strong points."

Uh, Bill Clinton engaged in attacks on Obama supporters by stating that the people who are against Hillary all have college degrees.

That's "divisive politicizing" to use your term.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:50:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good point- But (none / 0)

And Sen. Obama indulged in similar politics when he labelled those who opposed him as being bitter due to lack of jobs, or skin color...

Please be careful in bandying about those accusations !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:16:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good point- But (none / 0)

Obama never said anyone was bitter because they are white (or black, if that is what you are implying).  He said they are bitter because of bad economic times.  I happen to think that if you replaced the word "Bitter" with "irrational," it would have been more correct.  I'm not sure if Obama meant it that way but was afraid to say it, or whatnot.  But I think it works.

"And it's not surprising then they get [irrational], they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:48:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good point- But (none / 0)

That wasn't an "accusation."  That was a "quote."

Not necessarily the same.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 05:50:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My apologies then... (none / 0)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 06:31:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 3)

 This is silly season, only in the minor leagues. So it's a non-story, or maybe, just maybe it's an effort to keep the pot stirred up. Ignore him, and that way it doesn't matter if he Shuts TFU or not.


by xdem on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:02:19 PM EST

Speaking of efforts to stir the pot, I give you (none / 0)

this diary.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:28:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And speaking of indulging in abject silliness... (none / 0)

I give you the comment from T Stark above...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:35:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow (2.00 / 3)

I read this article a few minutes ago. And I figured it would take 10 minutes for up to show up here. I was off by 2 minutes.

I have to agree though. At this point why even bring this crap up. He's not endearing himself to anybody in the party.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:02:29 PM EST

Yeesh (2.00 / 3)

Sounds messy.

If it's true, I hope it's Mark Penn, just for the purposes of consolidating villainy.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:03:55 PM EST

Re: Yeesh (none / 0)

I would urge caution in use of the phrase "If it is true..."

It is not true, unless (a) Cong. Andrews names that person (b) provides some evidence that it did happen... if the person happens to deny it.

Use of the phrase "if it is true" has very ugly connotations.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:05:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You have a point (none / 0)

I don't mean to be a concern troll here; I'm just stating my desire to not have more Democrats implicated in being jerks than are absolutely necessary.

Not even most Clinton supporters like Mark Penn.  If he turns out to be an even bigger sleazebag than we thought, it's not much of a blow.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:54:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeesh (none / 0)

Congressmen Andrews not naming the person or providing evidence doesn't make it not true.  It being false makes it not true.  If it's false, it's false regardless of what evidence he has.  Conversely, if it's true, it's true even if he has no evidence.

I happen to think it's either totally made up or an exaggeration.  At least, that's what I'm hoping for.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:50:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeesh (none / 0)

As is, I think, obvious, the problem with what Andrews did is try to stick to the Clinton campaign a harsh act which might reflect discreditably on that campaign, without naming the guilty person who uttered the  supposed words themselves, and whose affiliation with the alleged words and the campaign might be judged,  or setting the words forth, by which their impropriety might be judged. It's one of those things you either spike as soon as it happens or . . . let it go, with gritted teeth. Unless the alleged speaker tries to run for office himself/herself in NJ.

There is something tacky about Andrews holding it until his own election last Tuesday was resolved, and one wonders if the reason it arises now is precisely that, not wanting to offend until he lost.


by Christy1947 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:06:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeesh (none / 0)

I totally agree.  And I doubt that it is true.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 06:59:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeesh (none / 0)

Mojo for the suggestion of consolidating villainy.


by Mobar on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:43:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yeesh (none / 0)

Isn't there some way to pin this on Cheney?  And hopefully before Darth Vader throws him down the shaft in the Death Star.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:51:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 6)

It's possible that somebody at the Clinton campaign went off the reservation a bit.  I cannot, and will not believe that anybody at the top of the campaign was as retarded as something like this would require.

I will remain skeptical until Congressman Andrews coughs up a name and there is some kind of verification of his claims.  I don't expect either to happen.

Just because its hurtful doesn't mean its false.  But it for damned sure doesn't make it true.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:05:04 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 1)

My feelings exactly...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:07:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Something smells funny here. (2.00 / 6)

I don't know... if I was Andrews and I got that call, I would QUIETLY insist to the Clinton campaign that they axe that person and anyone else responsible for that strategy, or else I go public.

For him to come out with this now sounds off.


by PhilFR on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:14:41 PM EST

Re: Something smells funny here. (none / 0)

That is how I felt about it when I read it.  


by whognu on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:24:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Something smells funny here. (none / 0)

If he thought Clinton was going to win the nomination, he wouldn't have wanted to stir up trouble with the presidential nominee/next president of the United States.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:26:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Something smells funny here. (2.00 / 1)

That would make him a slimeball....


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:41:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Something smells funny here. (none / 0)

Agreed.


by ProgressiveDL on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:51:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Also in NY (2.00 / 2)

I've heard similar things from friends who are high up in the NY Democratic party.  Clinton people were going to Jewish newspapers and to some Jewish organizations and rabbis and talking about tensions between blacks and Jews and raising questions about Obama's positions on Israel.

I understand that you don't want to believe this, but the folks involved will eventually be talking about it.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:21:46 PM EST

Re: Also in NY (2.00 / 1)

She lost my vote as a primary candidate in the debates when she repeatedly tried to connect Obama to Farrakhan and Hamas. I heard that dogwhistle loud and clear, and it was the last straw for me.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:25:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (2.00 / 1)

And how exactly wass she tying Obama to Hamas and Farrakhan ?

No chance that you were imagining all that...is there ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:30:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (none / 0)

One of the occaasions was when Pumpkinhead brought up Farrakhan and upon Obama's repudiation of the man and hat tips to the historic partnerships between the AA and Jewish communities, Clinton responded by implying he didn't go far enough in his repudiation of Farrakhan.

I don't remember in which debate she used Hamas against him, but if I find the clip, I'll link it.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:35:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (none / 0)

Right... I forgot.  She is evil.

She also eats babies !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:38:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You can keep the strawman. (none / 0)

Here was when she tried to use 9/11 and Ayers against Obama, as well as Wright. I believe the Hamas reference was a few minutes beforehand.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:42:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You can keep the strawman. (none / 0)

I wonder if she ever got mad at her best friend Ed Rendell for being buddies with Farrakhan


"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain
by Tommy Flanagan on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:11:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (2.00 / 2)

I believe it was that bs ABC debate from Pennsylvania - the one with the flag pin/pledge/Ayers, etc.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:42:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (2.00 / 1)

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1189

Yes, it's when she went after him for not using the word 'reject', instead he used the word 'denounce'.

She knew darn well both words mean the same thing in this context.


by neonplaque on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:43:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are right, (none / 0)

That was right after she had insulted all black people by insulting MLK's contribution to civil rights.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:47:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are right, (2.00 / 1)

You respond to valid criticism with Appealing to Extremes.  This is a logical fallacy, and you are doing so in order to make others' criticism of Clinton's actions also look extreme.  Those criticisms are not extreme, and you are not being intellectually honest with these tactics.


by Lawyerish on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:54:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are right, (none / 0)

Perhaps you didnt understand my mocking...

I do not believe the "dogwhistle arguments" that are so popular with Obama supporters, and I have no intention of rehashing those arguments.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:58:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are right, (none / 0)

I understand it perfectly; I just think it's intellectually dishonest and actually pretty low.  There are many valid criticisms of Clinton's actions during this cycle, that have nothing to do with the exaggerations that you have presented in this thread.


by Lawyerish on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:40:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (2.00 / 1)

See, this is the problem with Clinton fans, they are very light on the facts.  Didn't you see the debate where she desperately tried to link Obama to Farkhan and Hamas and insisted that he strongly reject Farkhan's support?

As for who in Clinton's team might have said that?  Take our pick.  Any one of them are capable are doing that because that's how they operated their campaign.  And that includes her and even Bill.  I mean these are people who said that Obama may have used or dealt cocaine whe he worked as a community organizer!

Just look at this comment.

"Comments like these, coming so soon after Congressman Andrews' crushing defeat, are sad and divisive,"

Now what does his 'crushing defeat' have to do with the issue. This is right out of Rove's playbook.  Attack the messenger, not the message.  


by ETHIOLIB on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:45:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (none / 0)

You're right. That phrase is very reminiscent of the comments from WH spokespeople.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:57:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (none / 0)

Did you miss the debate where she demanded personally that he denounce and reject Farrakhan's unsolicited endorsement of him which he had already disclaimed? Or the references to the Hamas material in the TUCC leaflet?

Oh, why are we doing this now? Does this move unity forward or are we trying to settle scores here for a reason that . . . eludes me. It's over. Rehashing it does not move us forward.


by Christy1947 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:10:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (none / 0)

I will believe it when I see some evidence.

If you aren not willing to provide that, then you should STFU too!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:39:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Also in NY (none / 0)

Why? The primary is over.


by Christy1947 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:12:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is just old politics (2.00 / 2)

I think it's no secret that Hillary had some pretty cut-throat advisers, with Penn at the top of the list.

Exploiting sexism (which the Obama campaign did not do, but likely benefited from), exploiting racial tensions, inflaming class war.. it's all old politics. It's what Democrats subjected to Atwater and Rove learned they had to do, or drown.

It's not personal. It's just a tactic whose time is hopefully on its way out. I don't think it sits well with Hillary to use these kinds of tactics--I think she ceded some of her better judgment to the attack dogs, sincerely believing it was for a higher purpose. Our nation is in serious freaking peril, and Hillary was not sure Obama could prevail, and if he did, whether he had the contacts or strategy to take the neocons out.

I confess to thinking this way often myself--the Boondock Saints way of taking out the trash, if you will (the "trash" being the neocons, in this case).

I don't think this is a scandal. I think it should be viewed in context. Also, I hope someday Hillary sits on the Supreme Court, where she can rely on her own judgment and not have to campaign or jockey in the trenches for the position she deserves.


by rhetoricus on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:22:27 PM EST

I didn't bring this up, and not sure why you did, (none / 0)

but when I read stuff like this I try to figure out the motive of the accuser. A good article would have given me the "why" of that. This one didn't. I don't know why this guy would make this statement, or moreover, why he'd lie about it. More info needed.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:27:32 PM EST

Re: I didn't bring this up, and not sure why you d (none / 0)

I am not sure what you are implying when you say tha you didnt bring this up... could you clarify !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:31:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I didn't bring this up, and not sure why you d (none / 0)

What I meant is that I'm not sure why you're drawing attention to this stupid little article. Did somebody else here bring it up? I didn't know about it until you blogged about it. Might you not be helping advertise it unintentionally?


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:40:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I didn't bring this up, and not sure why you d (none / 0)

Are you the arbiter of what should and should not be brought up ?

I am bringing it up because I am outraged by it... and no, I am not advertising that outrage unintentionally... it is quite deliberate, in fact!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:43:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well there you go. (none / 0)

Now I do know why you brought it up. And no, I wasn't trying to arbitrate anything. You asked. And yes, I wouldn't have done it, and feel free to carry on however you might. I hope more substantive information will be forthcoming.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:26:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

What I took away from that article was that Hillary, as we all knew, was not surrounded by a particularly scrupulous bunch of folks.  That fact that this didn't end up going anywhere speaks more to me about the basic decency of Hillary and just reinforces the negative opinions I already had about her campaign.


by the mollusk on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:53:22 PM EST

A shame we can't primary you Rep Andrews (2.00 / 2)


by activatedbybush on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:54:54 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 2)

I agree with the title of this diary.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:57:29 PM EST

Andrews (none / 0)

Is one of my least favorite house Dems. Since he got here, he's been nothing an annoyance. He ran a nasty primary campaign for governor, a nasty primary challenge to Lautenberg, teamed up with Bill Zeliff from New Hampshire to try and hack away at social programs with their "A Through Z" attack on spending projects. Why can't they get a better Democrat in his district?


by Mayor McCheese on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:10:46 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 1)

There is an election to get on with.  Why is this even under discussion, to give it legs?  


by mady on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:10:56 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

Some of us (myself included) care more about racisms and accusations of racism than about winning elections.

Sorry if that interferes with your agenda of winning the election !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:44:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Some of us care.... (none / 0)

Well said!


by ETHIOLIB on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:08:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

You missed my point.  I don't think this story deserves to be given more attention for the very reasons you mention; I do care about racism and accusations thereof, I would like to see this dismissed so this yo-yo does not get his 15 minutes of air, or blog, time.


by mady on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:55:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

You did not express your point very well...

If you care about racism and accusations of racism, would you not want to see it investigated and aired... and guilt be appropriately assigned, and for the guilty parties to be banished altogether ?

That would require calling out the accusers to name the accused...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 03:00:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

You know what, if it was some idiot from her campaign who said this, honestly, what's the point anymore except to draw attention away from the main fight now.  If it is this Congressman making it up, it just gives him his sleazy moment in the sun.  Either way, it takes up too much oxygen.  I don't think this is about fighting racism, I think it is about one schmuck trying to milk the past primary for a few more minutes of what passes for fame.

I'm watching the oil market go through the roof right now, on CNN, and am looking at the jobs report.  It feels like we are on the edge of a possible depression to me, and while good reporting and pursuing these kinds of statements for proof is important, families across the spectrum are going down for the count and that is the battle that needs to be in the forefront.


by mady on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 03:15:47 PM EST
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Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

I too am watching the oil markets... and the housing market.. and the run on the banks.  I have been concerned about all that for > 4 yrs now.  However, this blog is not the best place to express opinions on economics.  In any case, I do not think electing McCain vs electing Obama will make ANY difference to our prospects on the economic front ~ things are going to get REALLY bad, regardless.

And for me, I want anyone guilty of that (racism) canned from Democratic party politics altogether... and this is from a Clinton supporter !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 04:18:08 PM EST
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And he said that she said that he overheard (none / 0)

.... that his cousin told his mother-in-law that a good friend ....

I CAN'T KNOW Andrews' agenda, personal motive, BUT I can agree with one commenter who noted in so many words that "it's a little late".  One has to ask "why now?"

What does the "rumor" serve to "prove"?  that someone said that someone in the HRC campaign made racially divisive remarks.  Hmmmm, does this do ANY GOOD for the efforts for unity in the party?  Answer:  no.  Does this statement reflect poorly on a Democratic Party member?  no.

Hmmmm, is this person trying to help the party ticket?  No.


by Southern Mouth on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:18:48 PM EST

Ooops, meant Yes on reflectingly poorly n/t (none / 0)


by Southern Mouth on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:20:04 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (2.00 / 2)

Why, in God's name, is Andrews bringing this up now?  It smacks as being very self serving.  

I'm not entirely sure that he is thinking clearly, or thinking about what's good for the Dem party.

Even if this is true, (sounds a little far fetched), it pointless to bring it out.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:21:42 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

"pointless" may as well be Mr. Andrews' middle name. What was the point of the nasty campaign he ran againt Lautenberg? He's just a nasty little man and NJ deserves better.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:26:19 PM EST

;Unfounded accusations are always harmful... (2.00 / 2)

and rarely ever true.  SevenStrings, you are absolutely right that Rep. Andrews statement is solely an unfounded accusation.  Unless Andrews is willing to name the staffer, then his assertion should be cast aside as a rumor.

I'm really glad that most Obama supporters have dismissed this joke of an accusation.  My major anger with the lies about the Texas Caucus was that they were unfounded accusations.  There is nothing different in that case and this one.  I would hope that any Obama supporter who is buying Andrews story did not rec my diary.  Accusations are just that.  And they are not believe unless supported with evidence.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:31:20 PM EST

Re: ;Unfounded accusations are always harmful... (2.00 / 2)

Thank you !!

And I should also add... you and I have had our spats over the past few months.  But I have always enjoyed our discussions (even though.. and maybe because.... you have always been wrong =)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 01:49:33 PM EST
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I'd dispute that characterization of our debates.. (none / 0)

but I'm glad that you have enjoyed them as I have.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:51:21 PM EST
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Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

What a jackass, Andrews is.....


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:02:13 PM EST

Re: Name him or her...or STFU!! (none / 0)

And why did I support Frank Lautenberg again?


by HillsMyGirl on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:16:23 PM EST

Con. Andrews (2.00 / 3)

deserved to lose as he is almost a bush dog.  I just wish he wouldn't get his seat back.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 02:19:48 PM EST


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