Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [REDUX]

Kindly cross-posted at dkos by kevin22262.

[I originally posted this diary a couple of weeks ago, but now with the primary being over with, perhaps some will view this issue differently and join the chorus in decrying sexism from the media.  I encourage all that agree to sign the petition listed at the bottom.]

On May 23rd, the Women's Media Center together with Media Matters launched a new video and online petition campaign illustrating the pervasive nature of sexism in the media's coverage entitled "Sexism Sells, But We're Not Buying It."  

"While Hillary Clinton's campaign has cast a spotlight on the issue of sexism, this isn't a partisan issue: it's about making sure that women's voices are present and powerful in our national dialogue."

Below is a statement about the video from WMC president Carol Jenkins.

May 20, 2008 (New York) - With a new video illustrating the pervasive nature of sexism in the media, The Women's Media Center is speaking out against the notion that sexist coverage is the path to commercial success for today's struggling media companies. As the sexist tone reaches a fever pitch with networks chase ratings in this historic presidential election, Carol Jenkins, president of The Women's Media Center (a nonpartisan 501(c)3 organization), delivers this message to both consumers and media executives:

"We know that media companies today are under tremendous pressure to build audiences and drive ratings, but this type of vulgar, sexist commentary is not the way to do it. Women wield tremendous financial power in the United States. Our message to media companies: if you think that sexism sells, think again, because women in America are not buying it.

"As our new video shows, the media's sexism is not specific to a candidate or campaign. But the presence of a woman, front and center at last on the national political stage, has sent shockwaves through a media grappling with ongoing problems of diversity. Hillary Clinton's campaign has cast a spotlight on the institutionalized sexism that The Women's Media Center was founded in 2005 to combat, providing us with a unique moment to examine ourselves and the media we consume. This is about the inherent and unnecessary obstacles that women face every day in speaking out and participating in the national dialogue."

In the video released today, "Sexism Sells, But We're Not Buying It," The Women's Media Center and its partners including Media Matters and the National Women's Political Caucus document 30 examples of gendered, sexist coverage from the mainstream media (far from an exhaustive list). From jokes about a woman's appearance to specific gendered insults, some media professionals this election season have fallen far short of their responsibility to report and educate.

Women are a driving force in the U.S. economy with a purchasing power of more than $7 trillion a year, and purchase fully 82 percent of all products and services in the U.S. Earlier this year, The Women's Media Center joined NOW, the Feminist Majority, and the National Women's Political Caucus to speak out against the particularly egregious remarks Chris Matthews made about Hillary Clinton's campaign, when he said that "the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around" (MSNBC's Morning Joe, January 9, 2008). Speaking for more than 15 million women across the United States, the coalition secured an on-air apology from Matthews, and assurances from NBC executives that steps were being taken to address the situation. Yet the situation persists, which is why The Women's Media Center is taking this next step, releasing a video and launching an online petition campaign to allow women to speak out against this continuing sexism.

The Women's Media Center is working to make sure that issues of gender and media do not slide to the backburner. For more information on The Women's Media Center and to join our campaign to make women more visible and powerful in the media, please visit www.womensmediacenter.com/sexism_sells.h tml.

If you would like to join their petition campaign and send a message to the media, please visit here.



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the media sucks. (2.00 / 20)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:22:38 PM EST

Re: the media sucks. (2.00 / 7)

its super disgusting.


by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:26:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you'd be overpaying. (2.00 / 5)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

It seems like the older you are the more likely you are to be on the wrong side of both issues (racism/sexism).  The good thing is that they will eventually die out and their crotchlings will too.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:53:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (2.00 / 5)

I just got off the phone with my incredibly INCREDIBLY progressive 68 year-old aunt.  Your post hurts my feelings.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (2.00 / 1)

Well I just saw my uncle who said the N word so many times I had to leave in FL a few months ago.  Not all of us grew up in progressive parts of the country.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:27:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sounds Like (2.00 / 1)

the part of my family I haven't seen in 20+ years... I doubt my being a big old HOMO would sit well in the trailer parks of rural North Georgia!  ;)


by RNinNC on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 03:01:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sounds Like (none / 0)

I love telling my grandparents that "I won't get married til all my gay friends can" when they ask about getting married and giving them grandchildren.  It's awesome making them squirm.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:10:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

I hear you and agree--my brothers and I don't go out shopping with grandma (who is 84) anymore because she's as likely to ask for help reaching a bottle of something on the top shelf as she is to comment on how cute the little "n" girl is who just moved in next door.

She's a great lady--but she's got issues.

Bear in mind, this is my home state of Georgia we're talking about, not Alaska.  A lot of social progressives and libertarians up here!


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:30:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Yeah, people always ask why I moved to MN from the south.  It was about the easiest choice in the world.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:11:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

perhaps... (2.00 / 9)

there are more differences with regard to progressive ideals and age - but i think that to paint this only as a generational issue is simplifying a massive issue.  racism and sexism are out there FULL FORCE and comes from all ages, races, and genders.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:17:12 PM EST
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That's a fact... (2.00 / 1)

while there is less sexism among my generation than older ones.  And I think that professionally and academically people in my age group think men and women equally.  In a social environment with both men and women, I still things that make me cring.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:54:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I must do a lot better job of proofreading... (2.00 / 1)

"think men and women equally" = "think of men and women equally."

"I still things that make me cring." = "I still hear things that make me cring."


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:17:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I must do a lot better job of proofreading... (2.00 / 1)

And, I assume, cring=cringe.


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by X Stryker on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:57:05 AM EST
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Re: the media sucks. (2.00 / 3)

I dunno - didn't you see the front page diary the other night, detailing sexism in this campaign?

youngish male guy wearing that infamous T-Shirt with a smirk on his face.  

sexism and racism will always, alas, be with us.   There will always be some jerks out there.

You cannot unbreed ignorance and bigotry


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Well the hope is you CAN unbreed ignorance and bigotry.  I mean, no one is born hating women/men/latinos/blacks/gays/clowns...y ou learn that from your environment.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:28:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh?. (2.00 / 1)

Maggie Kuhn -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggie_Kuhn
was dragged out of a stacked congressional hearing by GOP thugs.
When she was 80!
Have you?
by johnnygunn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:41:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh?. (none / 0)

Um...no.  But thanks for proving my point.  That would never happen in this day and age because the longer we go on the less crap like that is acceptable.

People used to beat each other with canes on the senate floor too but that isn't the status quo either thank god.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:30:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (2.00 / 2)

Your post is incredibly insensitive and ageist.

You totally ignore generations of people who paved the way for the likes of you.

People have been on the barricades fighting racism, sexism, homophobia, and plenty of other crap since long before you were even a thought in your parents's minds.

You need to grow up and learn to respect the people who came before and made things easier for you.

Don't even try calling yourself a progressive until you've cleansed your mind and heart of feelings such as you've expressed.

I'm appalled and disgusted.


by cuppajoe on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:57:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Spare me your fake outrage.  I grew up in the cotton south and my grandparents said some crazy shit outloud and never cared and all their friends did too.  My aunts/uncles/rents would say some things "kidding on the square" but we (the kids) were taught it wasn't okay for us.

It is a generational thing.  My grandparents and parents grew up during segregation.  I had a parent go to a segregated school.  Don't tell me that it isn't a generational thing.  Two generations ago we had to fight to get Obama the right to vote (hypothetically speaking) and now his race is a afterthought and only affects the voting of those in the most secluded and isolated parts of the country.

YOU may be a civil rights marcher from the 60s but most weren't.  THE VAST MAJORITY WEREN'T.  Sex and Race is not what sexual orientation will be in 20-40 years.  A blip that isn't any real deal, but it isn't now.  Will you have the same false outrage in 30 years if someone brings it up in a historical context?

Appalled and digusted...please.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:24:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Sex and race IS what sexual orientation will be...that's what I meant to say, sans the 'not'


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:26:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Your "reply" is so unintelligible that I can't possibly reply.

I was not a marcher in the '60s as I was just a toddler.

But I did fight and still do fight in the gay/lesbian movement for equality and freedom. I've put myself on the line and still do -- how about you? Or are you just content to hide behind your computer and spew rage, hatred, and ugly remarks at older folks?

My outrage is not false. Are you just stung because someone is calling you out on your rotten ageist thinking?

I am appalled and disgusted and you should be ashamed of yourself.


by cuppajoe on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:06:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Well since you actually believe things never change and get better then I can't really help you.  Since you don't actually believe pointing out that as each successive generation comes of age we become more tolerant and accepting I can't help you.

Since you are LOOKING for something to be appalled by, I can't help you.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:06:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Well here is someone else to get appalled at by their ageism.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/05/seattle .kiss.ap/index.html

"Certain individuals have not yet caught up. Those people see a gay or lesbian couple and they stare or say something," said Josh Friedes of Equal Rights Washington. "This is one of the challenges of being gay. Everyday things can become sources of trauma."

I assume you will be sending a very hurt and pained email to a local GLBT leader in Seattle for his blatant hate rant based on ageism?


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:06:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (2.00 / 1)

I see nothing in those comments that mentions age. He just says that some peope are backward in their attitudes. So, there'd be no need to send him a message. Bes assured that I would, if he'd made a comment similar to your insensitive diatribe.

I know plenty of people in their teens, twenties, thirties, and forties who are quite backward in a lot of attitudes. On sexual orientation and race and feminism and more.

Likewise there are plenty of people I know who are in their fifties and above who are more progressive than you'll ever be and have actually done things to advance the progresive movement.

Spare me your false outrage and your phony words -- you are an ageist. I don't fail to call people on their bigotry. No matter who they are.


by cuppajoe on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:28:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: the media sucks. (none / 0)

Likewise there are plenty of people I know who are in their fifties and above who are more progressive than you'll ever be and have actually done things to advance the progresive movement.

Yes, you know me so well.  I guess I am just like nazis and slaveowners.  I'll just back my noose making and internment camps.

/snark off


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:41:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 9)

Thank you for reposting this. Rec'ed.


by grlpatriot on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:26:10 PM EST

yeah... (2.00 / 3)

im hoping many will not look at this issue differently now.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:38:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: yeah... (2.00 / 3)

Actually I don't look at this any differently now.

In the left, the democratic party, the progressive movement, we sometimes want to turn this into an oppression-off.  Finding reasons to claim that "I" am part of the the most oppressed group.

"I" am a woman
"I" am Black
"I" am Latino
"I" am poor
"I" am a Gay or Lesbian

           ...and my plight is worse than yours.

That argument cannot be made without dividing our people.  We can't have the message that one outdoes the other because the plight of one is the plight of all.  To deny any of their plights is to deny your own.

This is the kind of division that tears us apart, that makes us ineffectual, that hinders us from promoting what is right and what is good in mankind.

As we sow this discord amoung our own, as we divide those that we should support, we weaken our very own struggle for progress.  In this context I would like to quote a poem from Pastor Martin Niemöller:

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_ came

To me this has always been about us all.  When we do not speak out against all injustice, we are allowing it to destroy us.  When we do not admonish hatred we destroy our own cause.

There is one more quote I'd like to share with you and it embodies my feelings on this exactly.  I heard this chant first in spanish at marches and thus I post it here faithfully here:

"EL Pueblo, Unido, Jamas Sera Vencido!"

"The People, United, Shall Never Be Defeated!"

We have a chance today to make some real progress, to move things in a way that has never been done before.  This campaign is our chance advance our progressive cause.  We cannot afford to let the "Right" divide us.  Today, together, we win, or divided we lose.

I do not see this issue any differently now as I did decades ago, when I first heard that chant.


by Why Not on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:58:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

v. fitting. (none / 0)

thank you for your insightful comment.  i often thought about Martin Niemöller's poem throughout this primary season with regard to this issue.  mojo for you.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:03:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (2.00 / 3)

Recc'd


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:28:34 PM EST

You are (2.00 / 5)

correct!

This is not a Hillary thing, this is a human thing!

Any person who really CARES about people should totally agree with you and SIGN this petition!
http://www.womensmediacenter.com/sexism_ sells.html

Thank you for reposting this!

Highly rec'd!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:37:50 PM EST

by the way (2.00 / 5)

what a great site! I had not seen it before!
http://www.womensmediacenter.com
Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:40:20 PM EST

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 7)

This is something that is about all of us, not just Hillary.  Thank you for posting this.


by JustJennifer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:41:07 PM EST

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 4)

maybe update the diary title. Some may think this is a Hillary diary.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:41:24 PM EST

good point. (2.00 / 4)

i kinda like the title since its true and the name of the petition drive...  but what do you suggest?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:58:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: good point. (2.00 / 3)

maybe you are right. It seems to be drawing people in. Maybe some are coming into your diary because they think it will be a "fight" diary.   :)


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:06:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: good point. (2.00 / 4)

I'm here to fight!  Yarrr!!!!

But seriously, I signed the petition and support you 100% CG.


by Xris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:31:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

much appreciated. (2.00 / 2)

last time i posted this your comments were absolutely incredible and i think of them often.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: much appreciated. (2.00 / 1)

I was worried you would leave this site when the primary ended.  I am glad to see you are sticking around, at least for now.  My greatest fear is that this site will become infested with McBloggers and other low lifes.  


by Xris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:09:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might (2.00 / 5)

I'm an Obama supporter, but this is an issue we can all get behind.  I'm thrilled to see a diary like this and can't wait to see more like it.  Kudos!


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:44:16 PM EST

thanks... (2.00 / 3)

did you sign the petition?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:48:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: thanks... (2.00 / 3)

Sure did.


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 8)

Thanks, Canadian Gal.

Both of our candidates received treatment a white man would never have had to suffer through. Obama supporters: you don't have to ignore sexism to fight racism. The media's treatment of Hillary Clinton has been absolutely regressive. DO NOT let them get away with it.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:51:41 PM EST

well said. (2.00 / 5)

as they say - all it takes for evil to thrive is for good people to do nothing.  please make sure to sign!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: well said. (2.00 / 1)

Who says that?  I've never heard that statement in my life.

/snark


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:27:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

'they' say... (2.00 / 2)

dontcha know ;)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:29:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 6)

So true. Its amazing that although we have come to a place where we don't allow blatantly racist statements to be made by our media, we still allow and sometimes encourage these sexist comments.

I do think that in a couple years, we will look back at this campaign as something of a turning point.  At least I hope that is the case. . .


by KevinT on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:57:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

im not so sure. (2.00 / 3)

its unbelievable that in the year 2008 and this is still an issue that no one is ashamed of, PEOPLE DEFEND OR DENY or perhaps even worse stay silent - as it is - but i hope you are right.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:22:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 1)

It cuts both ways - there are things that emerge is issues for a black candidate that no white person of either gender would have to deal with.

Besides my statement being true, it's also helpful.  You're not going to get political minorities to ally themselves with each other by playing the oppression olympics.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:24:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I signed the petition last time (2.00 / 5)

but I will rec again and will say that Chris Matthews needs to shut up and go retire somehwere.  Fox news should be put off the air, and Pat Buchanan should be put out to pasture.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:04:22 PM EST

and that is why... (2.00 / 4)

you are the one and only SG.  the sad thing is there probably 100's more minutes that can be added to this video. ;(


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:10:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

With out a doubt (2.00 / 5)

I've never been a fan of Leno, but I won't watch him any more after a few Friday's ago I saw him to a gag with Hillary where he showed a photoshopped version of her head on a body of a well lets just say bimbo.  The joke was supposed to be about her not getting any attention but it was disgusting.  Or you probably could cull 10 minutes a week from Chris Matthews shows (both Hardball and the Chris Matthews Show) another 10 from both Hannity and O'Reilly, maybe 4 a week from Olbermann (and that is just saying the people who I know are cable media pundits.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:22:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My husband and I stopped watching Leno (2.00 / 2)

during the writers strike.  He did a sketch on his show wherein all his female staffers were dressed up as hookers.  He called them whores - said that's how they were all making money during the strike - whoring down on Santa Monica Blvd.  I cannot believe those women allowed him to do that.  It wasn't just the writers mind - he introduced secretaries, make-up artists - all the women working in the front office.  He introduced them by name - did a close-up on their faces so you'd know who each one was.  

It was disgusting.  My husband still talks about that sketch.  He had never noticed that Leno always stuck little 'gotcha's' against women into almost all of his monologues (I had and didn't like Leno for it).  Without writers to filter all that hate - he was left writing the show himself (something he trumpeted, actually - the man was proud of it).  Well - the result wasn't pretty.

The rest of that 'my female staffer are all whores' sketch showed hovels in famine ridden Africa (complete with skeleton-like starving children) with Leno saying those were the homes and families of his 'poor' writers.  The whole thing made me want to throw up.  No - Leno can take his place next to Chris Matthews in the 'Insensitive Misogynists' hall of fame.


by The Fat Lady Sings on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:40:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! (2.00 / 9)

What can I say? The complicit silence of much of the Democratic Party during all of this is a major reason why I feel so alienated from it now.

The way Hillary Clinton was treated was an abomination.


by OrangeFur on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:19:28 PM EST

Thanks for reposting! Recommended! n/t (2.00 / 4)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:20:05 PM EST

This is a depressing day for women in this country (2.00 / 3)

I am not going to elaborate on what I just said.  I rec'd your diary.  Its quite good.  


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:24:47 PM EST

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 3)

Rec'ed.

I also apologize for saying a while back that nobody in the media laughed at the Hillary nutcracker just because I didn't personally see it.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:53 PM EST

Forget it. Obama supports women in all ways. (none / 0)

Policywise, you've (we've) won.  


by Garret on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:39:55 PM EST

Forget what? (2.00 / 2)

???


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:40:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying (2.00 / 3)

One great byproduct of Hillary's historic campaign has been that there has been some spotlight on sexism in the media, which is typically overlooked and tolerated.

The "nails on a chalkboard," "shrill" business is one example.  Tweety's statement that Hillary is only considered presidential material because her husband cheated is another.  There were many others.

You're right.  I won't pay a nickel for it.  By standing up to it, Hillary has given a big assist to the next viable female presidential candidate.


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:40:04 PM EST

Geez... (2.00 / 4)

I'm amazed at how angry I am about the entire campaign. It is going to take me a long time to get over how the media and Democratic Party elite treated Hillary Clinton.

They can all go [censored], as far as I'm concerned.


by OrangeFur on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:50:41 PM EST

Re: Geez... (2.00 / 4)

yeah - this video is pretty powerful.  and i know how you feel.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:53:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Geez... (2.00 / 6)

When I think about everything they said. A lot of it sexist, a lot of it simply hatred--Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, David Shuster, Eugene Robinson, Bob Herbert, Andrew Sullivan, many of the big lefty blogs, on and on and on.

Hillary is racist.
Hillary is a liar.
Hillary is racist.
Hillary is hoping Obama gets killed.
Hillary is racist.
Hillary only cares about herself.
Hillary is racist.
Hillary has lost her soul.
Hillary is racist.

Every single day. Garbage upon garbage.

I can't believe she was so strong throughout it all. Strong enough to make it through though anyone else would have dropped out at the end of February.

And the incredible, unfathomable silence from top Democrats. Some people actually tried to defend the haters.

I am so proud of being her supporter.

As for the rest of the party, well, anything you say now is too little, far too late.


by OrangeFur on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:03:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Geez... (none / 0)

I certainly understand what you are angry against. However, I don't think all of that was said was said born out of sexism, it may well have been stupid stuff, but simply the fact that your candidate was female does not make all criticism of her (valid or not) sexist. To be sure there was that element to some of it, and that should not be accepted, but not all.

Just as one may criticize Obama without being racist, one can criticize Clinton without being sexist.


by notedgeways on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:30:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Geez... (2.00 / 3)

Like I said, a lot of it sexist, a lot of it just pure hatred.

Can you criticize Clinton legitimately? Sure. The war, maybe, or the gas tax, if that's how you feel.

Racism? Hoping Obama gets assassinated? Pushing the Muslim smear? Nope. That's too dirty even for politics.


by OrangeFur on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:32:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Geez... (none / 0)

Hillary is racist.
Hillary is a liar.
Hillary is racist.
Hillary is racist.
Hillary only cares about herself.
Hillary is racist.
Hillary has lost her soul.
Hillary is racist.

Yes, those aren't very nice things to be called, but what do any of the criticisms of Hillary have to do with sexism?  

Calling Hillary, for example, a liar has more to do with the fact that she lied (Tuzla) and has nothing to do with sexism.

Unless I'm missing something, none of those criticisms of Hillary have anything to do with sexism.  Bill Clinton has been accused of all those things that Hillary has been accused of.  


by ProfessorReo on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:22:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Geez... (none / 0)

Nevermind, I misread your post.

What I would say, though, is that those charges against Clinton didn't all just stem from blind hatred.  Whether you want to admit it or not, those charges stemmed from conduct or statements made by Hillary and Bill that reasonably were construed to be racist or race-baiting.  


by ProfessorReo on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:26:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Geez... (2.00 / 2)

I strongly disagree that they could be construed to be race-baiting or racist.

In every single case there was a much more likely innocuous interpretation of what she meant. That people chose to choose the worst possible meaning showed the viciousness of the attacks.

If I thought for a nanosecond that Hillary Clinton was appealing to racism, I would have dropped my support of her instantly, and demanded not just her withdrawal from the primary, but her resignation from the Democratic Party.


by OrangeFur on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:54:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

suggestion (2.00 / 2)

have you posted this at dkos and EENR? If not, could you? Then add the cross post links to your diary and to a comment.

http://eenrblog.com


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:56:47 PM EST

Re: suggestion (none / 0)

im not a member at either of those places and dont really want to join dkos EVER.  but if you are a member -please go ahead...  and if you do - it would be awesome if you could provide the links.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I will (2.00 / 1)

post it at dkos but I don't have time to "monitor it much. I will give a link back.

About EENR... PLEASE go and join! They are and always have been issue driven and frown on the kind of stuff that has happened here and at dkos.

I believe you can post right after joining.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:11:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think (2.00 / 2)

I am going to get hit hard at dkos.

Lets see how this goes!   :)

Here it is at Dkos!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/4/2 31317/8997/1014/529862


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:25:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think (2.00 / 1)

Perhaps you can report back. I'm never visiting that site intentionally again.

I wouldn't be surprised if it receives a more positive welcome than before. Once the adrenalin wears off, I think a lot of the haters will realize they were overzealous.

Of course, I think what you say in anger and what you say when calm reflect what you really think.


by OrangeFur on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:30:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It was received very well... (none / 0)

Not one negative comment.  So far it has 28 comments.  You should check the link.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:35:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It was received very well... (2.00 / 1)

Sorry. Never again.


by OrangeFur on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:56:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

well (2.00 / 2)

so far, so good at dkos. Not many comments tho.

So what do you think about joining and posting this at EENR?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:44:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i dunno... (2.00 / 2)

im kind of hesitant because as it is - i spend WAY to much time at the computer....  but i want to adjust the diary to reflect your posting.  what is the protocol?  and btw - thanks!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:51:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ahh... come on... (2.00 / 1)

 :)

What do you mean "to reflect your posting"?

EENR is a great place. They are nice, informed and try and stay out of the mess.

They also get lots of "live blogs" with many state and local candidates.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:14:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ahh... come on... (none / 0)

yeah.... im shy.

but i did change the diary to reflect your dkos - did i do it right?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:21:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ahh... come on... (2.00 / 1)

You almost got the link right. You cut it off.

Here is the link again.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/4/2 31317/8997/1014/529862

Look for s pac es when pasting it in your diary. MyDD tends to put spaces where there were none.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:24:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ahh... come on... (2.00 / 1)

fixed.  thanks.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:30:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

hmm... (2.00 / 1)

only one "bad" comment so far. But there are few comments.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:21:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

is that normal? (none / 0)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:24:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

NO! (2.00 / 1)

Lately "normal" would be to tear up Hillary Clinton and me!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:25:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: NO! (2.00 / 1)

hhmm... i guess that's a good sign.  keep us posted.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:31:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Indeed (2.00 / 1)

I remember the reaction you got when you posted the Hillary myPA fundraising idea.  That was not cool, though I got to give out mojo to about 40% of the comments.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:57:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Rock On! (2.00 / 3)


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:01:48 PM EST

ani difranco does rock and speaks the truth. (2.00 / 2)

make sure to sign.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:18:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Signed! (none / 0)

and ani speaks more than truth... she's my hero.


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:50:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

she is one smart cookie. (2.00 / 1)

there was actually an article on her a few years back in a canadian paper about how she revolutionized the record industry with her own label before anyone else did it.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:53:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Indeed (2.00 / 1)

Righteous Babe Records is now an amazing label with awesome artists. I'm not sure if you've ever been to an ani show, but if you haven't, go, and thank me later. She inspires.


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:09:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 2)

That is a powerful video.

Matthews is an abomination. Sadly, he is far from alone.  His comment to Burnett should have been a firing offense.

Measuring how large a role sexism played in Sen. Clinton's very close second is I think impossible, but it cannot be trivial.  I do think Penn was the single largest contributor to her failure to secure the nomination.


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:21:16 PM EST

matthews is beyond... (none / 0)

and thanks for you comment - i wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:22:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (none / 0)

cheers


by notedgeways on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:23:41 PM EST

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! (2.00 / 1)

Wholeheartedly rec'd and signed and will pass on to family and friends... even the Republicans!
by mechascorpio on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:17 PM EST

Thanks for this diary, I'm an (2.00 / 1)

Obama supporter and a woman, and everyone is right, this is not about Clinton/Obama this is about sexism against all women by the media.  I was proud to sign.  Thanks for this diary.


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:52:56 PM EST

Re: Sexism Might Sell, But We're Not Buying It! [R (2.00 / 1)

Buchannan, Kondracke, Matthews, O'Reilly, Hitchens:

Five (among many more) great reasons why I never watch cable television.  

I'm proud to say that other than O'Reilly, I couldn't identify a single Faux Newscaster.

I'm happy to sign. Thanks.


by redwoodsummer on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:29:17 AM EST

Frankly, the only sexism I saw (1.00 / 3)

came from Hillary and some who represented her. I grew very weary of her split pesronality of being a fighter who dished it out one moment and the pitiful girl who couldn't stand scrutiny or criticism the next -- and even cried to get votes.

That's all over, thankfully. But I expect the sexism myth to grow as an excuse for her failure to live up to expectations.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:37:20 AM EST

mcblogger? (2.00 / 1)

the video is pretty explicit and btw not only about HRC.  but thanks for your opinion.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:43:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: mcblogger? (none / 0)

I guess I didn't see it because I don't watch much of that crap and never FOX. So I don't "buy it" either.

But as I pointed out, I did see Hillary exploiting sexism too often.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 03:24:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm (none / 0)

Chris Matthews, who I sometimes like, has made some horribly misguided statements.

I don't watch Fox at all--it kills brain cells, I strong recommend against it!

The rest of the media--it really is hard to know what's intentional and what's not.  As the first major female candidate, she was bound to be treated both too harshly and too kindly because of her gender.  On the whole, I don't think her treatment was any better or any worse than Obama's.  Obama may have gotten a few cheap ones early, but they were more than made up for later with the whole Jeremiah Wright fiasco (which I would suggest is at least partly based on race--white preachers saying more offensive things in soft tones wearing three-piece suits and gentle smiles get away with it all the time).  Both were variously treated unfairly in the media.

All of that aside, sexism still exists.  The Ledbetter decision is, I think, more the rule than the norm--and that's just plain sad.

As a practical matter, I would gently reject sexism as the cause of Hillary's demise.  We can use sexism in the media as the starting point for a conversation and get somewhere in a hurry; any serious discussion of Hillary's failure to secure the nomination needs to start (and perhaps end) with the bullseye squarely on Mark Penn.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:41:57 AM EST

Re: Hmmm (2.00 / 2)

sorry - where does this diary ro video talk about a winner or loser?  where does this diary talk about BO?  IT DOESN'T.  he won.  and if you claim you are a progressive - the fact that you still want to debate this issue frankly I find really strange.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:33:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm (none / 0)

I'm sorry a canadian gal can't appreciate the progressiveness of a white boy from Georgia voting for a black man, and subsequently volunteering his time for the first Native american female (from Alaska) we'll elect to the House of Representatives.

I'm sure I won't lose any sleep for failing your test, as I'm sure the Alaska Democratic party won't stop cashing my checks.

The whole subtext of the sexism discussion is the presidential campaign.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:29:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I suggest (2.00 / 1)

that you try reading this diary again.

You are so off track.

geeez.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have cross posted this (2.00 / 1)

to EENR.
http://www.eenrblog.com/showDiary.do?dia ryId=1656
Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:19:20 PM EST

Sexism and the Media (none / 0)

Yes, the media is sexist (and racist).  No, this isn't new.  Yes, the next female, black, hispanic, etc. candidates will have to deal with all of these issues again.  No, the issues won't go away--because people in Appalachia to South Texas to the High Plains to the Cascades carry with them internal bias that manifests itself at the polls and, consequently, in media coverage.  Yes, illustrating media inequities is a worthy cause and will, perhaps, yield changes in how they do their job (unless they are pulling big ratings, of course--I'm not defending it, only pointing it out).  I get the mission the Women's Media Center is on and support it.

After watching the video (which I couldn't do at work) I have to say I'm not at all surprised at some of what was caught--and, as shocking as it sounds, found a few nuggets.  Tucker Carlson makes an excellent point--if women constitute a majority of the electorate (and an even bigger majority of Democratic voters), how is it that they are so "under represented?"  Surely women aren't "falling" for the media's sexist coverage.  Secondary to that, the video doesn't show pervasive sexism rampant in the media--what it shows is a handful of offenders repeatedly making offensive, gratuitous gender-based slams (over half of which were about Hillary's campaign), in particular one guy on Fox news getting his misogyny on.  This kind of blatant, overt sexism is something we can all see, quantify, measure; the more ominous prospect is the latent sexism, the lack of opportunity, the quietly spoken words that speak to the motivations of some to "keep a woman in her place," or demonstrate that she "knows her role."  Those bother me a lot more than Pat Buchanan or Chris Matthews proving, once again, that they are stuck in the middle ages.

Any woman running for President needs to be prepared for the no holds barred, gloves off treatment that Hillary, at times, received.  I'm not pretending sexism doesn't exist or trying to minimize it--I'm suggesting that awareness of it alone serves to begin the process of deligitimizing it.  That, certainly, is a noble goal, one I applaud the WMC for undertaking.

With respect to campaign relevance--I get putting together a video about sexism in the media, even culling the majority of examples from the coverage of Hillary Clinton's campaign, but it doesn't take a big leap to reach the conclusion that the videos purpose in exposing campaign sexism was to posit (in at least a small way) that same sexism as a/the reason she failed to secure the nomination.  Also, sexism in the media as a narrative for how a campaign ebbs and flows necessarily means voters--in this case, Democratic primary voters--responded to it (otherwise, why point it out?).  That said, I stand by my assertion that while media bias exists, it is not so rampant or pervasive that it substantially affected the outcome of this nomination process.  Maybe I'm reading too much into your diary (and, more to the point, WMC's video)--if so, my apologies.

As an aside, my apologies for unnecessarily muddying up your diary.  I assure you it won't happen again.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:17 PM EST


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