Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you.

by Angry Mouse, Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:17:14 PM EST

[Cross-posted at DailyKos]

It's over.

What started 16 months ago -- or 200 years ago, depending on how you look at it -- has come to an end.

Our party has a nominee, a phenomenal nominee, and it isn't you.  As hard as I worked, as much as I donated, as badly as I wanted it, it didn't happen.

But I want to thank you anyway.

Because you made the impossible possible.

When I saw you speak in February, there was a little girl in the audience with a sign that said I CAN BE PRESIDENT TOO.

I looked at that girl and her sign, and I fought tears of joy and relief and hope.  Because for the first time in my life, I really believed that little girl was right.

It hasn't been easy.  A lot of people don't like you.  They don't like your hair, your pantsuits, your husband, your daughter, your marriage, your ankles, your laugh, your tone.  And yet you've fought on.

It hasn't been easy.  A lot of people don't like your positions.  Your vote on Iraq, your comments about Iran, your praise of John McCain, your meetings with various right wingers.  And yet you've fought on.

Some say you've damaged our party.  Some even say you've damaged our country.

But I don't believe that.

Because you've made the impossible possible.  You've answered those ridiculous questions with an affirmative.  Is America ready to vote for a woman for president?  Hell yes.  

Hell yes.

There are women who started down this long road before you.  Victoria Woodhull and Susan B. Anthony and Alice Paul and Bella Abzug and Shirley Chisholm and Barbara Jordan and Carol Moseley Braun.  Even Elizabeth Dole.

But you, Hillary, did what none of them could do.

You made the impossible possible -- 17 million times over.

As you depart this race on Friday, I wish only the best for you.  Even as I disagree with some of your policies, even as I shake my head in wonder at some of the things you do and say, I have only admiration for you today.

You made the impossible possible.

You gave that little girl with the sign more than hope.  You showed her the way.  You showed her that a woman can be strong, and wise, and knowledgeable, and smart, and funny, and sympathetic.  

And you showed her that she can be president too.  

Yes she can.

Note: As pointed out by DWKING on DailyKos, my list of women who came before Hillary is in no way comprehensive.  But please feel free to add your favorites in the comments, and I'll amend the diary appropriately.




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Tips... (2.00 / 20)

for all the girls who can be president too.


by Angry Mouse on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:17:41 PM EST

Re: Tips... (none / 0)

I finally believe that the line that every child is told in school that they can be President is for the large part true.  Once again the Ds broke boundaries long since set by society.


by skywaker9 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:20:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you for your words, angry mouse. For (2.00 / 1)

those of us who were loyal supporters of Hillary, your words are cathartic, a much needed emotional purging. Thanks....


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:21:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 5)

You brought tears to my eyes. I have nothing to add here.  Rec'd.


by GreenHills on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:19:52 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 2)

You missed the woman the blazed the trail.

Gerry Ferraro.

She put all of this in motion.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:40 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 4)

I suppose she does deserve a hat tip, but she's too controversial right now, and this diary is not intended to be controversial.


by Angry Mouse on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:25:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 2)

Gerry Ferraro didn't "put all of this in motion".   Shirley Chisholm ran for president in 1972.  (She received 152 delegate votes.)


by reconad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:49:09 PM EST
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Technically... (2.00 / 1)

it was Victoria Woodhull who put all this in motion.  She ran 100 years before Shirley did.


by Angry Mouse on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:19:13 PM EST
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Re: Technically... (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the info.  And I wasn't trying to imply that Shirley Chisholm was the first.  Rather, she was the only one that I had any information about...


by reconad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:37:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pat Schroeder (none / 0)

deserves a tip o'the hat too. She was one of the smartest people in Congress and I wish she were still there.

If she wants to run a primary challenge against Ken Lieberman Salazar, she'll have my money and my vote. But I think she's retired.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:09:31 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

No disrespect but Ferrraro had a very low chance of winning, Clinton was the first woman who had a real chance of winning, its different.


by skywaker9 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:21:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

/salute


by heyhellowhatsnew on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:23:14 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 5)

I was so busy accepting the loss that I forgot how sad this makes me...until I read this diary.

One of my fondest hopes was that my 3-year old daughter would grow up never remembering the time "before there was a female President". Now, she'll have to grow up aware of how backwards and chauvinistic the world is.


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:26:15 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 2)

Perhaps by the time your daughter is old enough to vote we will have had a bi-racial president and/or a woman president and/or gay president and/or a...

The barriers are broken.  


Please, please, please NO McCAIN!
by MelB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:33:46 PM EST
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Gay President? (none / 0)

not in my lifetime.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:41:01 PM EST
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Re: Gay President? (none / 0)

Really?  Even if he/she was the best candidate?


Please, please, please NO McCAIN!
by MelB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:43:12 PM EST
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I'd like to hope so (2.00 / 1)

but homosexuality, unlike race and gender, is still believed to be a chosen trait by way too many people in this country.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:50:10 PM EST
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Re: I'd like to hope so (none / 0)

Wow.  I was WAY OFF in my interpretation of your original response of 'not in my lifetime.'  I thought you were opposed to it as in 'over my dead body'....my bad...sorry!


Please, please, please NO McCAIN!
by MelB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:58:43 PM EST
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oh heavens no (none / 0)

gay rights is one of my major issues. I hate seeing that community so vilified.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:59:33 PM EST
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Re: oh heavens no (2.00 / 1)

It's funny.  I live in a very small farming community of less than 2,000 people.  We are a very homogenous community.  God, Guns and Religion (and really, that isn't true, but you get my point).  In a small town there are always the 'good families'.  You know, the ones with the 'right last name'?  Well, about 20 years ago, the son of one of these families came out.  And 10 years ago he was elected mayor of the town.  He and his partner adopted a child and have chosen to raise him in this small community.  I'm not sure if it's a result of this man living so openly, but we have several same sex couple living in our community, participating in bake sales, going to the HS Basketball games...

I guess I tell you all this to say maybe once people are more exposed, once gay marriage is formally recognized, the villification will end.


Please, please, please NO McCAIN!
by MelB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:16:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oo, I like your town (none / 0)

where is it?

I agree with your last sentence...see the case o gay marriage in Spain for example. When it was legalized (Spain is overwhelmingly conservative Catholic), a vast majority opposed it

Within a year, a majority supported it.

Same in Massachusetts, and I suspect in California.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:33:15 PM EST
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Re: I'd like to hope so (none / 0)

Perhaps or perhaps not in your lifetime, but not the way you mean. The history books tell us that one of those fellows elected President in the 1840s was a "confirmed bachelor" whose permanent living arrangement was with another gentleman. A different age that politicized different things.  But . . . . Don't give up. All injustices are not healed at once, but the serious work on one makes each other one easier to work on.  


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:33:21 PM EST
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Nobody knew five years ago (none / 0)

Five years ago nobody had heard of Barack Obama.

Barney Frank may very well be in the Senate soon (at the end of Ted Kennedy's current term, god willing).

The country changes a little every day.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:59 PM EST
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Re: Gay President? (2.00 / 1)

I doubt it will take so long. Barney Frank has been openly gay for a long time, and we are moving to the left as a country. The Cali decision will only help get us closer to acceptance. I was not always comfortable with the idea of people being openly gay. I was unenlightened, and am no longer so. Gay people do not threaten our society in any way. Any uncomfortable feelings towards this segment of our population, is the problem of those who are uncomfortable, and soon we as a collective nation will come together in this realization.


by koliver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:46:13 PM EST
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Re: Gay President? (2.00 / 1)

not much chance of a female for quite a while now.


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:53:37 PM EST
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Well (2.00 / 2)

at least not for eight years.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:59:46 PM EST
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Re: Well (2.00 / 1)

I'm not expecting one for 20-30 years. after how HRC was demeaned and denigrated and had old debunked rumors used as weapons by her own party...well not sure many women will try until a lot of time has passed.


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:05:33 PM EST
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See I have a problem with that (none / 0)

That's giving up. That's saying "well, I can't stand the heat I might get"

If you truly believe Hillary was treated so badly (and I personally don't believe that, and I definitely dont believe it's because she's a woman), that should make women more empowered to take it on.

If the attitude of women is going to be "Well I'm not going to put myself through that" then maybe those women shouldn't be President anyway.

But there will be a woman who will say "I am willing to face when she faced and I will beat it" and it's that woman who will be President.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:19:57 PM EST
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Re: See I have a problem with that (2.00 / 1)

it took almost as long since Jesse Jacksons try, are you say they gave up?


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:45 PM EST
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Yes...in a way (none / 0)

But there were also not many viable African-Americans out there until Obama.

Douglas Wilder ran and probably could've been taken more seriously had he run more seriously.

but there are plenty of women out there who will be viable in eight years, and who knows who will pop up in the meantime.

Remember, eight years ago, Obama was an State Senator losing a primary campaign for the House of Representatives.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:22:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yes...in a way (2.00 / 1)

OK hold on one dammed minute! are you saying in the last 20-30 years there has only been ONE AA qualified for the job? are you nuts? now THAT is racist.


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:28:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Between 1988 and 2008 (none / 0)

No, there were none off the top of my head outside of Douglas Wilder

I like Carol Moseley-Braun, but c'mon.

name one.

ok, Colin Powell maybe, but I was thinking on the Democratic side.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:33:58 PM EST
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Re: Between 1988 and 2008 (2.00 / 1)

in no way could i ever say there were none available, but you have to admit the timing was the best it has ever been. Up until maybe the last cycle, or even 2000 the entire meme was there could never be a real black president. they were discouraged and knew anyone before now would be subject to raw racism, and the veiled (and somehow worse) condescension they were seeing in the media and real life


by zerosumgame on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:26 PM EST
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Re: See I have a problem with that (none / 0)

That's part of what Hillary beat down this time. All that stuff.  Some of us may not have liked her "toughness" and "determination" and "focus",  but in this context it is an absolute gift. "I did it and look how well it went,  and so can you."


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:36:51 PM EST
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Re: Well (2.00 / 1)

That's what makes me so sad. My daughter's going to be all grown up by then.


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:19:57 PM EST
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Re: Well (none / 0)

She's got to be 35 years old to run. Got time there.


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:38:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well (none / 0)

I meant that she will be all grown up with the realization that there just aren't the same opportunities for women.


by LakersFan on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:26:50 PM EST
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a while is a long time (none / 0)

Claire McCaskill.

And I say that as someone who finds her too conservative, but she's smart and brave and not afraid to forge her own path.

And there are congresswomen and state legislators and attorneys general who aren't (yet) on the national radar.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:13:49 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

Unfortanately, I'm afraid the damage will already be done because she will have already gained the awareness that she's living in a chauvinistic culture. I was hoping she could be blissfully ignorant about chauvinism. Now I'm going to have to raise her to be a feminist and make her a fighter so she doesn't get dragged down by society's ills. I was really hoping she would have it easier.


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:42:32 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 2)

Even if we had a female president, your daughter would unlikely remain blissfully ignorant of chauvinism. The chauvinism that permeates our society could not be undone by that. I mean, would women suddenly start making a dollar for every dollar made by men if Hillary were to be elected?

Besides, she would only have to look at the way women are treating in many other countries in the world to see it.


by pomology on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:47:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

True (2.00 / 3)

I mean Pakistan had a female prime minister, didn't help the women's cause there.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:51:14 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

I understand that the vestiges of chauvinism would not magically disappear. But a female President would be a powerful message that we've moved beyond sexism and provide an amazing role model. I'm sure this is how parents of African American kids feel right now, and I'm happy for them. And my daughter will grow up never remembering the time "before there was a black President", which will be good for her. But it won't be beneficial for her identity as a woman in the same way having a female President would be.


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:18:09 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 2)

Well Hillary Clinton as is (First Lady turned Senator) is already a damn good role model.


by pomology on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:26:49 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

Definitely! Thanks for the optimism.


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:29:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 1)

Sure. And how many Democratic voters and pundits did we hear carp about how she was only where she was because of Bill?

This campaign showed what one extraordinary woman can accomplish, and how people will react. It was ugly beyond belief.


by OrangeFur on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:43:10 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

I think some did react to her because of the Clinton name.

But, whatever. Trailblazers never have it easy, and this was especially true in a campaign where there was such an element of identity politics due to policy issues being so similar.

I think Clinton has made it easier for the future female president to achieve that goal, and as much as I disagree with how some of her campaign was won I give her major kudos for that, and hope she goes on and becomes a great leader in everyone's eyes.


by notedgeways on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:12:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually (none / 0)

I heard that more from her own supporters.

"Her experience is that she was married to Bill"


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:17:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

I think the two least likely Presidents we will see in the near future is a GLBT President or an Arab-American President (too many people really are biased against them).  Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, I could all pretty easily see.


by skywaker9 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:22:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

I actually think we are less likely to see a Muslim president then any other subgroup.


by notedgeways on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:14:10 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

Thirty eight years from Al Smith to JFK. A generation and a half. And by that time the salafi (Islamic fundamentalist) movement will probably have run its course and a lot else will have changed. Even in the middle east, they are discovering that they don't like the salafis much once they get in - it seems to be an idea good in the abstract but not on the street. Even there. Especially there. They will work that out on their own terms and then we will see. And we now have two Muslim congresspersons, which will also have its effect, nothing bad happening, then nothing bad happening then some more nothing bad happening. Keep working.


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:44:21 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

Oops. Thirty two years. I am no Chuck Todd.


by Christy1947 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:50:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ironically (2.00 / 3)

the first woman to serve in Congress was Jeanette Rankin of Montanta (the last primary state in this election).  She took office in 1917, three years before the passage of the 19th Amendment.  Remarkable.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:26:55 PM EST

Yoiks (2.00 / 1)

you'd think I could at least spell Montana correctly -- sorry.

Thanks for the diary.  tipped and rec'd.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:27:40 PM EST
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Actually (2.00 / 1)

Montanta sounds cooler lol


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:28:39 PM EST
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Thank you, Hillary (2.00 / 2)

I have wanted to see a woman president since I was a boy of eight.  You almost gave this to me, and I am in your debt.  Perhaps I yet shall see it, but if I don't, you came so close that I was able to imagine it.

Thank you, Hillary.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:28:44 PM EST

I think every Democrat (2.00 / 2)

and maybe most Republicans out there have been waiting to see a woman President.

But I've also been waiting to see an African-American one too.

When it became clear the Democrats would nominate one or the other, I thought "how great is this that this year an African-American or a woman will get to be President"

I had no idea it would turn into what it turned into. This disgusting sexism/racism fight made me feel at times we as a nation weren't ready.

Now that it's over, an inevitable history was made. Had it gone the other way, the newspaper covers would've screamed "HISTORY" as well for the first woman nominee.

When the dust settles, Obama's victory will do good for a woman's chances in the future. It will break the white-male stranglehold on the presidency. It would mean that diversity on top is possible.

That what riles me so much about these Hillary supporters for McCain. They don't see how damaging another eldery white male President will be to the next woman's chances.

Or maybe it's me, I dunno anymore.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:40:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

Well said, brava


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:31:55 PM EST

let's hope the media will allow it... (none / 0)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:36:05 PM EST

Re: let's hope the media will allow it... (none / 0)

crap. that was crap. and now im angry.


by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:42:57 PM EST
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Re: let's hope the media will allow it... (none / 0)

Yeah that sucks.  Really, and people wonder why we are angry?


by JustJennifer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:32:54 PM EST
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Re: let's hope the media will allow it... (none / 0)

read my diary i just put up and sign the petition.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:35:03 PM EST
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Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 1)

Damn, the emotions keep on coming.

im so glad I didn't do any eyeliner today.

thanks Angry Mouse, you rock.


by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:36:32 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (2.00 / 1)

Wasn't Pat Schroeder a pretty serious candidate for president a while back?

A very well written diary; greatly appreciated by this Obama supporter.  The only thing that saddens me is that some may think that because Hillary didn't win the nomination, that somehow, the dreams of that little girl won't come true.  If anything, Hillary Clinton has shown that being a woman has nothing to do with whether or not one is qualified to be president (nor is being an African American); it's immaterial.  Hillary Clinton has proven that as far as politics is concerned, there is equality.  Here's how: she failed, not because she is a woman, she failed because she ran a poor campaign; just as a man would have lost had he run the same campaign as Hillary did.  She lost because of the things she said and did both before and during the campaign, just as a man would have lost for saying and doing the same things.  I think that what both Obama and Clinton have done is to serve notice that from this point on, any American 35 and older can be a serious candidate for the presidency, regardless of gender or race or ethnicity.  A job well done by both outstanding candidates.


by PittsburghPete on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:38:03 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

see canadian gal's vid. it will make your stomach turn.


by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:44:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

barbara jordan (none / 0)

trailblazer.  love her.


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by annatopia on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:54:10 PM EST

Thank you, Hillary! (2.00 / 1)

I was very cynical about politics after 2004 and I had more or less given up.  You made me believe again.

I will always be a Clintonista!


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:14:16 PM EST

Angry Mouse... (2.00 / 1)

You are a treasure in these communities. Thank you for this.


M. It's like W, but flipflopped.
by warmwaterpenguin on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:32:24 PM EST

Re: Goodbye, Hillary. And thank you. (none / 0)

Your list may not be comprehensive, but it includes Shirley Chisholm, a truly heroic woman.  That's enough for me.

Enthusiastically recommended.

Prog


by Progressive Witness on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:09:26 PM EST

Good bye, hell. (none / 0)

She's a United States Senator with a huge national following, a commanding media platform and (I'd bet the farm) the largest single fund-raising apparatus in politics today.

Her future is what she wants to make of it.


by BlueinColorado on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:16:09 PM EST


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