Hillary Will Concede On Saturday

by Todd Beeton, Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:48:28 PM EST

ABC News is reporting what I hoped would happen: Hillary Clinton will "cede the nomination to Barack Obama" on Friday.

It's over.

Sen. Hillary Clinton will drop out of the presidential race on Friday, ending her historic bid for the White House and ceding the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, ABC News has learned.

Clinton's decision to leave the race ends a long, often bitter battle for the right to challenge Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the general election.

Awaiting confirmation from the Clinton campaign.

Update [2008-6-4 19:18:7 by Todd Beeton]:The NY Times fleshes it out a bit:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is moving to suspend her campaign and endorse Senator Barack Obama on Friday after Democratic members of Congress urged her Wednesday to leave the race and allow the party to coalesce around Mr. Obama, according to a senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton is likely to make the announcement in New York City, an aide said, though no final venue has been chosen.

And, I don't really get to say this too often, but Walter Mondale echoes my feelings exactly:

“I was for Hillary – I wasn’t against Obama, who I think is very talented,” said Walter F. Mondale, the former vice president. “I’m glad we made a decision and I hope we can unite our party and move forward.”

Update [2008-6-4 21:43:0 by Todd Beeton]:MSNBC just reported that her concession event will actually be on Saturday. They're playing video of Barack Obama saying "Senator Clinton and I will work together to bring the Democratic Party together." Ha, Brian Williams is trying to trap Barack in a gotcha moment. Barack is too classy to fall for that.

Update [2008-6-4 21:49:51 by Todd Beeton]:This in from the Clinton campaign:

Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington , DC to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity. This event will be held on Saturday to accommodate more of Senator Clinton's supporters who want to attend.




Tags: 2008 presidential election, democratic nomination, hillary clinton, barack obama (all tags)

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It's finally Over (2.00 / 3)

Tough race, kudos to all the candidates.


by parahammer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:50:45 PM EST

No, no, no. (2.00 / 1)

It's "the BO Satan," remember what Jonah told us?  Read the memos, dipstick.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:36:51 PM EST
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Re: Suspending is not Conceding (none / 0)

Sorry about jumping the thread, but I have a question I hoped someone could explain for me: Why announce on a Friday?  I always thought that was where you hid the stories that you didn't want picked up?  Has that changed?  

Also, why so soon after last night.  Was it strategic: giving the Dems another couple days to dominate the news cycle?  Or, do you think it took an extra day for negotiating Senate positions for next year, etc.?


by such sweet thunder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:39:06 PM EST
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Re: Suspending is not Conceding (none / 0)

She's endorsing him.  It's over.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:00:26 PM EST
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wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 4)

The media have been wrong more often than not.


by highgrade on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:18 PM EST

Re: wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 3)

Bingo. And if she pushes the PV BS during the dropout, it'll just be another attempt at undermining Obama.

Let's see it.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:23:43 PM EST
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Her comments today sugest otherwise (2.00 / 1)

I'm not guaranteeing it, of course.  But her comments today calling Barack her friend again and ensuring that he will be a good friend to Israel was the first time I've heard her out of primary campaign mode.  She has tried very hard to hit him and sour his relationship with the Israel lobby and the Jewish community in general.  For her, that was a real break in the pattern.  A month ago she would have been talking about how Farrakhan lives in the same city as Obama and such.  

It suggests that once she lets go of this she could do a complete 180 and start opening broadsides on McCain and bolstering Obama.  

I have my own opinions about her politics that's for sure.  But she is a consumate politician and if she puts her mind to helping Obama, she may really help.


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:50:50 PM EST
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Harumph (2.00 / 1)

Count me in on that sentiment as well.  Being over here in Aus I dont get to see the usual US TV stuff so last night here on CNN international they had their AIPAC speeches live in full and they were both awesome and gracious.  I think Hillary, whatever the motives I dont care, did Obama a great service there.

Ive been skeptical but willing to give the benefit of the doubt and a cautious grace period, but Clintons comments and tone were perfect.

I started to actually feel that we really will come together and that it will happen sooner rather than later.


by pattonbt on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:40:35 PM EST
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Re: wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 1)

You're just not all about 'unity' are you?

Still, even now, dissing Hillary and suggesting that she is somehow 'conniving'.

What will it take to satisfy folks like yourself?  Immolation?


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:31:14 PM EST
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Re: wont believe it until it happens (2.00 / 2)

I doubt even immolation would do it for some people. Hillary could show up at their doors with wine and caviar, and it would never be enough.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:07:23 PM EST
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Magnanimity in victory (2.00 / 1)

It seems to escape some people.  Not very smart politics.  


by Upstate Dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:39:09 PM EST
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this is being pushed by multiple outlets (2.00 / 1)

and not immediately countered (unlike yesterday).  Seems solid to me.


by JJE on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:47:46 PM EST
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Me Too! (2.00 / 1)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:31 PM EST

Toldja toldja. (2.00 / 4)

She's a class act, unlike me.  It's going to kick ass having her pulling alongside us.

Go Democrats!!  Barack to the Future!!


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:52 PM EST

Re: Toldja toldja. (2.00 / 3)

I'm not sure if I'd go so far as to call her a "class act". Let's be honest. It was over yesterday. She was given a stage. She decided to keep it for herself instead of sharing it and honoring the race and her opponent. She never used the word "nominee". She mentioned unifying the party once. She used the word "me" 19 times. Obama used it twice, "Clinton" six times and "we" 33 times.

She ran a good campaign. I agree with her on the issues for the most part. But last night was the first time I have ever heard a candidate that had been eliminated make the night about them and their achievements instead of accepting the results of the election.

Instead of giving Obama a stage, even if she didn't concede and simply said "we will unite behind the nominee", she grabbed the headlines. And she'll grab them again on Friday, assuming this is accurate. And, of course, the entire media coverage the next three days will be about her.

She's a great candidate. But I wouldn't use the term "class act" to describe her actions over the last two days.


by TCQuad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:01:33 PM EST
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Re: Toldja toldja. (none / 0)

MSNBC reported that it was Clinton supporters in the House and Senate that told her it was time to go. Obama's folks were very quiet.

Also, the conference call with 8 pro-Clinton Senators came about because top Clinton staffers asked the Senators to explain to her what was going on.

I think that she and Bill were in such a bubble that they didn't understand that Obama was going to get so many superds yesterday and that her supporters in Congress wanted her to end it so the party could unify.

I'm really glad that Obama's folks kept their cool in this period and it was the Clinton supporters who sheparded this to a conclusion.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:16:43 PM EST
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And if, as seems likely, (none / 0)

this is simply a case of Senator Clinton not seeing the forest for the trees, and not being willing to give up on a dream immediately, I think we can understand that.  I know I can.  She can and will fix it all tomorrow.

Let's get ready for the McCain smackdown.  With Senators Obama and Clinton coming at him from both sides, he ought to just find a Country Buffet somewhere and drink coffee for the next few months.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:30:33 PM EST
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In some parts of the country (none / 0)

the chain is known as Old Country Buffet.

Cheaper if you go before 4 pm, John!


by Rorgg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:39:47 PM EST
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Re: I think a few million democrats are (none / 0)

What path was there for Clinton to get the nomination after Wisconsin?  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:47:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think a few million democrats are (none / 0)

Jesus, can you just let it go? What's the point in rehashing this crap for the millionth time?


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:08:53 PM EST
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She's a class act. (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton is a fighter.

She's the strongest legal mind of our generation.  She should be on our Supreme Court, if she's willing.

She has borne criticism and scorn--I'm talking in the 1990s--that none of us can even imagine.

She and Bill have raised a woman I can't say enough good things about--Chelsea.  Chelsea Clinton rocks.  She's held her head high and conducted herself impeccably...even at times her parents have not.

Hillary Clinton can wait another week to concede.  Once she does, she will be our strongest ally.  All will be forgiven.  I promise you.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:27:40 PM EST
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Re: She's a class act. (none / 0)

Please, please, please stop talking about nominating Hillary to the supreme court.

She simply doesn't have the qualifications. Supreme court justices do one thing and one thing only. They decide constitutional issues. that means, they spend hours and days and years delving into the inner workings of the constitution. Sure supreme court justices bring to this work their political inclinations, but still those political beliefs are only a gloss that is applied to the constitutional analysis itself.

Hillary is not exactly someone who has show that she can or should be doing this.


by poserM on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:46:45 PM EST
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"Only a gloss"? (none / 0)

Antonin Scalia would be proud of you.  Original Intent, boys, and let the chips fall where they may!


by Upstate Dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:47:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She's a class act. (none / 0)

Supreme court justices do one thing and one thing only. They decide constitutional issues. that means, they spend hours and days and years delving into the inner workings of the constitution.

Supreme Court justices decide many questions of law that do not involve constitutional issues.


by He Who Must Not Be Named on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:33:46 AM EST
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She's the strongest legal mind of our generation? (2.00 / 1)

"She's the strongest legal mind of our generation."?  

Frankly, thats just ludicrous.  HRC has never done anything of note in the legal world.  She was a local ADA and a private lawyer of no particular note (except for her husband) several months ago.  Any objective analysis would have to conclude Barack Obama is a more noted/stronger "legal mind" than she is and he's also definitely not the "strongest legal mind of our generation."  There are at least three of his former colleagues at UofC (the conservatives Posner and Sunstein and liberal Lessig) and a number of elected officials (Govs. Granholm and Patrick) that are clearly more noted "legal minds."


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:54:11 PM EST
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Re: She's the strongest legal mind of our generati (none / 0)

Months should have been decades of course.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:54:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She's a class act. (2.00 / 1)

She has borne criticism and scorn--I'm talking in the 1990s--that none of us can even imagine.

She and Bill have raised a woman I can't say enough good things about--Chelsea.  Chelsea Clinton rocks.  She's held her head high and conducted herself impeccably...even at times her parents have not.

I agree with you 100% on this. She is pretty impressive in this sense. I think Hillary has a lot of heart, but she got caught up in a very shady cabal and that is what doomed her in the end, for her staff of smarmy nitwits like Terry Methamphetamine McAuliffe, Mark Penn and Ickes.


by blinkingidiot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:28:07 AM EST
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Re: She's a class act. (none / 0)

She has borne criticism and scorn--I'm talking in the 1990s--that none of us can even imagine.

She and Bill have raised a woman I can't say enough good things about--Chelsea.  Chelsea Clinton rocks.  She's held her head high and conducted herself impeccably...even at times her parents have not.

I agree with you 100% on this. She is pretty impressive in this sense. I think Hillary has a lot of heart, but she got caught up in a very shady cabal and that is what doomed her in the end, for her staff of smarmy nitwits like Terry Methamphetamine McAuliffe, Mark Penn and Ickes.


by blinkingidiot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:28:36 AM EST
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I'm being gracious. (none / 0)

But not much.  Looking at her career in perspective makes it very easy to forgive the last few months.  I'm going to laugh at every ad the RNC runs with her quotes, because it's not going to matter.

No one likes Grampa McCain.  He's only broken 80% in one primary--SINCE THE OTHERS ALL DROPPED OUT.  Ron Paul picked up delegates on Tuesday, for pete's sake.  His most recent speech was the biggest bomb since Hiroshima.

We are now Democrats, and the wind is at our backs.


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:42:59 PM EST
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Re: Toldja toldja. (none / 0)

I would - she has been fighting for us this entire time & she is ensuring she does everything she can for us with whatever power she has left. I don't care if I am the last person on earth saying this - it isn't about what is or isn't the popular opinion.  When I see someone standing up in the face of so much opposition & degradation for what is right I will always defend them.


by jrsygrl on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:07:30 AM EST
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The Adventure Continues... (none / 0)


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:54:08 PM EST

Re: The Adventure Continues... (none / 0)

Hey!  Its universal!  I'd know that tagline anywhere!


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:39:58 PM EST
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Re: The Adventure Continues... (none / 0)

No, it's me. I don't know where Universal went to.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:14:58 PM EST
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Hillary ran a very tough campaign (2.00 / 5)

and I am totally grateful for her.  

As a woman, I really admired her grit.


by puma on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:54:59 PM EST

Re: Hillary ran a very tough campaign (2.00 / 9)

As an Obama supporter, I'd much rather run with her than against her.


by Baseballhead on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:58:13 PM EST
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Re: Hillary ran a very tough campaign (2.00 / 4)

Me too


by Politicalslave on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:01:31 PM EST
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Damn straight! (2.00 / 5)

She is one hell of a campaigner.  Just look at how strong a campaign both Obama and Clinton ran, how many voters they turned out in the primary.  Now imagine both of them pulling together on the same team in November.

McCain is toast!


by protothad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:25:29 PM EST
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Re: Hillary ran a very tough campaign (none / 0)

As a man, I really admired her grit, too.  Seriously, despite whatever issues I had with her, she's one crazy tough cookie.

This is most definitely not the last we've heard from the Clintons  :)


by randomscientist on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:29:12 AM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

This really isn't any different from what happened Tuesday. It will only satisfies the Obama hounds. Anyone who can do basic math knew the race was over in February. She didnt lose on issues, she lost on marketing strategy, fundraising, but most of all - poor organizing in caucus states. This is what we could have had. If you look at the Gallup daily tracking polls, there has been NO BUMP for Obama. SHOCKER!


by bsavage on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:55:16 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Not voting for Obama I take it?


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:58:41 PM EST
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We'll fix America without you, then. (2.00 / 2)

"I am not going to follow her if she endorses Obama."


by McNasty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:59:37 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Yep, the activists in Alaska, Utah, Idaho, Texas, Nebraska, Kansas, Washington state and North Dakota decided this thing.

It's interesting that in the last three elections, a small group of people decided for the whole nation.

But that's how the democratic process goes some time!


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:00:10 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 2)

Stay classy Z.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:21:21 PM EST
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Damn voters! (2.00 / 1)

Determining elections and all!  How dare they?  Especially the activists....they're just the ones who care the most!


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:59:50 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

I agree with your basic premise. I thought there was an opportunity in Wisconsin but as soon as i started making phone calls I could tell Wisconsin was not going to turn. I think she tried her best after that but to no avail. She has become a much more polished speaker and campaigner. So there is nothing to be ashamed of. I think her speech yesterday was moving.


by rocky on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:45:08 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Umm, daily tracking polls average over a three day period, so any bump he gets probably won't be seen until Thursday or Friday at the earliest.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:54:07 PM EST
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The Bump will be obvious to all by next week (none / 0)


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:04:32 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

I'd almost rec this, because it's useful to remind people that Obama supporters constantly put up with these insults.  This is pretty tame too, but it's just incessant.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:20:51 PM EST
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Will all the pundits (2.00 / 7)

please now STFU?

And that includes Jeffrey Toobin.


by Radiowalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:59:18 PM EST

Re: Will all the pundits (2.00 / 6)

Second that.  I thought he was going to orgasm all over himself last night.  It was kind of pathetic to watch...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:28:19 PM EST
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Re: Will all the pundits (2.00 / 3)

Yes, indeed.  While all the folks here on MyDD were busy calling Hillary everything but a human, the pundits were also busy making sure that the night wasn't about Obama's win, but instead was all about their opportunity to verbally stone Hillary and Bill.  I wanted to kick the freakin teevee.  CNN deserves to be held accountable.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:36:54 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (1.50 / 2)

Is that her final decision or will she wait until all of the Super Delegates officially make their decisions at the Convention floor.


by nkpolitics on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:59:35 PM EST

The media is doing... (2.00 / 7)

...more to divide our party, than anybody else.  They need a swift kick in the ASS!!!


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:01:11 PM EST

GO NOW! (2.00 / 5)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/4/18513 9/0676

go rec it up!!! its a really touching and fantastic story!!!!!


by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:05:14 PM EST

Re: GO NOW! (2.00 / 2)

Thank you for drawing my attention to this diary from the FP story.  Rec'd with great admiration.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:16:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: GO NOW! (2.00 / 2)

Good catch, thanks.  Nice to see the reconciliation movement gaining momentum.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:26:30 PM EST
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Re: GO NOW! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks! Great diary. Rec'd.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:32:30 PM EST
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Re: GO NOW! (none / 0)

Nice catch.  Done.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:19:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

For some (2.00 / 7)

Winning is never enough.  They must also dance on the grave of the losers.


by DaveOinSF on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:07:05 PM EST

Re: For some (2.00 / 1)

Give Obama some time--he'll pick her for VP.


by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:11:58 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 4)

He'll pick whoever helps him win. If Caroline Kennedy's research shows she helps him best via polling/surveys/etc.... he'll pick her. He wont hold a grudge.
by Cheebs on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:13:08 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 2)

Not if he's smart, he won't.


by Lawyerish on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:24:08 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 4)

care to wager on that? ;)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12126210 9484746703.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news


WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Clinton, who refused to concede after Sen. Barack Obama claimed the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, will do so Friday, two top advisers said. Close supporters suggested she would like to be his running mate, on a unity ticket.

But close advisers to Sen. Obama signaled an Obama-Clinton ticket was highly unlikely. People in both camps cited what several called "a deal-breaker" -- Bill Clinton may balk at releasing records of his business dealings and big donors to his presidential library.


by gabr1el on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:53:02 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 2)

interesting wrinkle about Bill there.


by haystax calhoun on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:14:39 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

I'm sure his Veep selection committee will be "wrestling" over those facts. :-)


by RickWn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:00:44 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

Yep.  Hillary Clinton won't want to be running mate for long once she learns that Obama plans to put her through the same vetting process as any other potential VP candidate... including full disclosure of everything.


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by mistersite on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:44:34 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

Ah yes, another opportunity to bash Bill.  They just can't let that get past them, can they?

Is the source for this tidbit anything like the source for the Vanity Fair article (you know, the one now being told to cease and desist by one of the named woman's law firms?)?  Or maybe it's from the same source as the stories about  Michelle's 'whitey' comments?

At any rate, someone else in the Obama camp has described a troll as someone who smears Democratic party leaders.

Does this not qualify?

Also, why does Bill need to release anything?   He's been investigated enough.  It's time for Democrats to stop acting like Republicans when it comes to Bill and Hillary.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:43:00 PM EST
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Re: For some (2.00 / 1)

It's a very important liability against the GOP in the campaign that Bill Clinton refuses to disclose the donors list for his library, which is alleged to include some very shady characters.  

It's not a smear to ask someone you are putting your trust in to be open about matters that could hurt you very badly.  Clinton-related scandals coming out in November could cost us the election, so it's prudent to pre-vet these issues.  Don't you see that?


by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:22:55 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

"Clinton related scandals"

Yes, I see GOP talking points.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:27:35 PM EST
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Please don't misunderstand, (2.00 / 1)

I have nothing but respect for both Clintons.  But they have been involved in scandals in the past, that's historical fact.  And the potential is there for this to become an election issue if Hillary is on the ticket.  The fact that Bill has repeatedly refused to disclose his donor list is a Big Deal.  VP candidates historically have to be squeaky clean, and open themselves entirely to scrutiny.  I hope that happens, but it seems unlikely, as he has refused up until now.


by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:43:04 PM EST
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Re: Please don't misunderstand, (none / 0)

It will be a great problem if Hillary is not offered the VP slot, but frankly, I hope she declines it and does not have any role in an Obama administration.

The 'scandals' you refer to, do you mean things like White Water, Susan McDougal, Travelgate , Filegate and blah blah ... now tell me again where that got the folks who were so intent on finding something, ANYTHING to destroy the Clintons with?  The GOP didn't accomplish it.  Now you are suggesting a fellow Democrat do it for them?

No wonder Karl Rove is laughing his ass off.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:29:45 AM EST
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Re: Please don't misunderstand, (2.00 / 2)

Why are you trying to paint me as GOP or Rovian for echoing the concerns the Obama campaign has expressed with good cause as serious barriers to a Clinton VP?  

Neither I nor the Obama campaign want to "destroy" the Clintons; you're building strawmen which makes it very hard to talk with you.  A VP must be fully vetted, including family members, and so far President Clinton has proven reluctant to submit.  If he does this point will be moot.


by semiquaver on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:27:47 AM EST
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I don't see it that way (2.00 / 3)

Senator Clinton will give an amazing speech. A speech worthy of her campaign and supporters.

She deserves it and so do they.


by notme54 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:15:28 PM EST
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Re: For some (none / 0)

This isn't the issue.  Our chances in November have a lot to do with when she ends her campaign, and how.

"Dancing on her grave"?  Please. Could you possibly be more dramatic?


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Quick Lock McAuliffe Up!!! (2.00 / 1)

A safe house in the Poconos would do quite well.  Let him out after November.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:08:56 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Is it too early to start talking about the possibility of not talking about Hillary so much?


by xdem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:16:15 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Yes it is.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:39:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)


by RandyMI on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:16:53 PM EST

Re: I don't see "endorse" (2.00 / 2)

But she has stated on previous occasions that if she does not win then she will endorse the Dem candidate.  


Vote Change in '08!
by iowa dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:21:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (2.00 / 2)

Are you blind?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 06/04/clinton-is-moving-toward-suspendin g-campaign-and-endorsing-obama/


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:29:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

To be fair the original post did not have the NYtimes article linked (or the whole update for that matter.)  It was just ABC news stuff.


Vote Change in '08!
by iowa dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:09:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

Yeah, and I STILL don't see endorse.  I happen to be wearing a blindfold but still.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:23:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (2.00 / 1)

So her words about Obama to AIPAC today weren't sweeping enough praise for you?  Must she lick his boots to make you folks happy?


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

Wait, she conceded the race to Obama at AIPAC?  Really?  Then , yes, that's enough.  

Oh wait, she still has not conceded, still has not endorsed.  So, ummm, no.  Speech at AIPAC was not nearly enough.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:31:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

You're never going to get that 'boot licking' you want her to do, so you might as well get used to that.

Strong women don't swoon, howl, bow or break.

She will officially endorse on Saturday.  Today she unofficially endorsed by telling the folks at AIPAC that Obama would be just as strong a friend to Israel as she is.

Funny, that's one of the things Obama supporters bashed her for, her AIPAC contacts, and there she is today, holding him up to them as the nominee, and there are his supporters, still bashing her.  Figures.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:09:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't see "endorse" (none / 0)

I liked her words at AIPAC.

I said I didn't see endorse because I was wearing a blindfold.  It was a joke.  Not a terribly funny one, but a joke anyway.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:06:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

BREAKING NEWS - BREAKING NEWS (2.00 / 2)

All the major networks are now carrying the story.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:22:30 PM EST

Re: This should silence... (2.00 / 5)

...the perennially outraged clintonhaters.  For about 20 seconds.  


by half nelson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:24:45 PM EST

HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 2)

Based on the tone of the posts over there I suspect it will become McCainIs44.com.  Feh. I always suspected it was a false flag operation anyway.


by protothad on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:30:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That site (2.00 / 3)

could've done some good and helped her...instead it became an Obama-hate site. It became what it sought to oppose.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:31:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I bet Hillaryis45 is available (none / 0)


by activatedbybush on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:34:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I bet Hillaryis45 is available (none / 0)

hillaryis45.org
2012 discussion
In total there are 2 users online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 2 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 4 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:40 pm
by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:26:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (none / 0)

Ha!  HillaryIs44 is 404!  Go and check the site.


by Gene In PA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:14:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (none / 0)

Darn it's back, I was getting re-directed to a "This account is suspended page" but I guess that it wasn't permanent.


by Gene In PA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 1)

Hillaryis44 headline today:

When Will Obama Concede?

LOL !!!


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:19:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 1)

Did you read the post?

Not only did they call for Obama to drop out, but they accused him of gay-bashing.

Some people are out of their minds.


by jdusek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:11:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (2.00 / 2)

That site was never about Hillary. I've checked it out throughout the campaign and I've NEVER seen anything about Hillary's policies or positions or even her biography.

It started with hit-pieces on Edwards and all the other candidates, then turned into an 'Obama is a criminal muslim terrorist weather-underground gay america-hating racist sexist idiot' site.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:59:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Early on (2.00 / 1)

they all but labeled Edwards both a racist and a sexist.

That he was running because he was the straight white Southern Protestant.

As an Edwards supporter, I thought it was so unbelievably disgusting.

The irony was I was called a racist by a handful of Obama supporters, but the amount of Hillary supporters (especially those on Hillaryis44, where I engaged in "debate" for a while) who called me sexist woman-hated "Do you beat your wife?" was just disgusting.

I always felt that DKos was doing Obama a disservice, but Hillaryis44 definitely did Hillary a similar, perhaps worse, disservice.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:08:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Early on (2.00 / 1)

Well, the thing about DKos is that the site is SO freakin' big and it's SO easy to get on and post, that you get a lot of nutjobs. It's one of those sites where you have to ignore the stupid and stick with the half-way intelligent participants.

Early on, it was a BIG Edwards site, with scattered Obama and Clinton supporters (and a few Dodd and Biden supporters). I was called my fair share of names as an Obama guy. I don't take the crazies over there too seriously, though.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:16:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And then, somehow, (none / 0)

all those nutjobs' stories get recommended to the frontpage...
:-/
No way, no how, no McCain!
by Gray on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:47:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: HillaryIs44.com will have to change its name. (none / 0)

I just dropped in there for the first time ever. You wouldn't even know Hillary lost if that was your only website. But it did look just like a GOP site.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Way too many there (2.00 / 1)

watch Fox News it seems.

I read the comments and there's a lot of "I saw on FOX"


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 3)

I never doubted in my mind she would do the right thing. She is a Democrat first.

According to the NYTimes, she's endorsing Obama at the event. Does that mean he will be there as well?


by MJJLWolf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 2)

How great would it be if Obama joined her in New York at a rally?

I think the sight of them two together, the first step to uniting the party, would be dynamite.


by RussTC3 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:41:10 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

Yes, yes!


by haystax calhoun on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:07:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I expect Barack will join her on stage (none / 0)

What a photo that will make.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:31:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I expect Barack will join her on stage (none / 0)

I'd love to see that picture, but I don't think its going to happen. It would only fuel more speculation about the "dream ticket" at a time when the metrics just don't support the move.  


by such sweet thunder on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:51:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The time for that was last night (none / 0)

I agree, it would send the wrong message now.


by semiquaver on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:28:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Mmmm...I'm thinking "head fake" n/t (none / 0)


by Neef on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:43:43 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Oh..."Are You Ready?"

Come out, come out, where ever you are....


by Bush Bites on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:46:53 PM EST

I wished she had said this herself (2.00 / 1)

last night. You know, without it 'leaking out' two days in advance.

As thrilled as I am that Obama has won the nomination, I have mixed feelings about, well, everything. I can't help but feel a terrible sadness for her, her family, and her supporters. It's such a tough road of emotions for anyone to have to travel.

We are all caring people, who happen to call ourselves Democrats, striving for pretty much the same things. I hope we can start the healing process now and begin to move forward to the REAL fight.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:48:08 PM EST

Thank you Hillary (none / 0)

I look forward to adding your considering talents, moxie, and strengths to Obama's efforts to take the White House.

Congratulations on running a very tough campaign.  This party is going to get a lot of great -- and necessary --- things done for this country come January of 2009, and not only do I expect Senator Clinton to play a key role in that (no matter if it's in the Senate, as veep, in the cabinet, or even on SCOTUS), I think she'll be critical in getting it done.

I look forward to watching the seismic shift of America towards the party that works for America and Americans this fall.


by zonk on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:50:06 PM EST

You can't fabricate unity (2.00 / 2)

BO has created a unity vacuum because he in the end is not really a uniter.  HRC's colleagues can pressure her to step back but this is checkmate for BO - either pick her as VP and she can make him win or pick another and stare at a McGovern loser map in November.


by Molee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:58:48 PM EST

Looks like you'll be (2.00 / 7)

left behind then.  More and more Clinton supporters are moving toward unity.  You'll have a few folks to grumble with so don't worry about being totally alone.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:05:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You can't fabricate unity (2.00 / 4)

Bullshit!  
His whole platform is built on unity and he has fought against the politics of division more than any candidate I have ever seen.  

by haystax calhoun on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:06:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Clinton won't be VP by her own choosing. (2.00 / 2)

By refusing to undergo the normal vetting process, which would involve releasing EVERYTHING to Obama, she forfeits consideration for VP.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:58:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clinton won't be VP by her own choosing. (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely. She can't claim to have been thoroughly vetted but then not let the lawyers take a look through to ensure that it's so.

Remember, one of the vp screening team allowed Geraldine Ferraro through without checking into her husband's business dealings and that proved a hurdle and embarrassment to the Mondale campaign.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:32:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

how about a kickass endorsement? (none / 0)

Hillary has beaten mercilessly on Obama for months, which could be construed as having been necessary to run the strongest campaign, and which could be construed to have "vetted" Obama for the GE and might be construed to help him in the long run.

That said, it's time for her to pull out all the stops and sweepingly endorse him with some real passion.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:01:55 PM EST

Still some very nasty comments. (2.00 / 5)

Geeesh, folks. Give it a rest.

Hillary's conceding on Friday. It's over.

May I suggest we bury the hatchet in the "heart" of the nasty 527 Republican tactics to come in the GE?

Barack will continue to need money, volunteers and feet on the ground during this next phase of his campaign for the presidency.

This Hillary fan will be there to support him in every way I can... just as I did Hillary during the primary.

Now, where's the diary that has all the nasty stuff posted about McCain so I can give out some mojo?

(Me write it? You've got to be kidding? I can barely find time to comment around here! :-)  )


by RickWn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:02:45 PM EST

Re: Still some very nasty comments. (2.00 / 1)

I'm in.  I'm ready for the first debate when I'm going to mock him mercilessly!  Bring it!


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Still some very nasty comments. (none / 0)

Me too.

Is it me, or is John McCain getting dumber and more confused as the campaign has progressed?

At this rate, he'll be at Bush level of oratory by the time the debates roll around.


by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:18:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 2)

Yes.
We.
Did.
by pholkhero on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:07:32 PM EST

what kind of game will she play Friday? (1.33 / 3)

A straight up concession and acknowledgment? I don't think she has one in her.

She's telling the donors on the phone what they want to hear. Meanwhile, I bet she and Wolfson are scheming out all the angles.


by Mojo Risen on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:04 PM EST

Re: Yea right Todd Beeton (2.00 / 1)

Todd, you were always for Obama.  Jerome and I have ALWAYS been for HRC.  But it's all good now.  Lets win the swing states and thus the election.


by nzubechukwu on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:13:00 PM EST

Re: Yea right Todd Beeton (2.00 / 1)

Are you kidding?  It was obvious Todd was for Hillary throughout this thing, although he at least made an effort to be even-handed and objective in his analysis.


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:49:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)


by KyleJRM on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:14:47 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Hillary is about the exit....

Let it begin my fellows.


by ChangeMatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:18:45 PM EST

Out of the race. Out of the running. (2.00 / 2)

Countdown had some fascinating insight into what caused Hillary to reach this decision. She was apparently ready to hold the Alamo to the bitter end, but some of her own senior advisors called her Senate supporters and asked them to intervene. As word got out about the impending conference call more and more members of Congress wanted in on it. In the end they told Hillary she HAD to drop out immediately and release them to endorse Obama.

Another tidbit to come out is that Hillary will not be Obama's VP. his staff made it clear to hers than any consideration of her would have to involve the release of Bill's presidential library records -- who his financial backers are. The Clintons can't allow anyone to see such information. So Hillary is out of the running.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:25:52 PM EST

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

Any evidence to back this up? Sounds like talking heads pulling it out of their asses again...as it nearly always is...


by SaveElmer on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:53:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (2.00 / 2)

Just getting their last punches in.

Read the comments.  How interesting, and ironic, that Hillary supporters are proving to be far more graceful and conciliatory losers than Obama supporters are winners.

What's that line about liking Jesus but not being so fond of his followers?


by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:55:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

It's to be hoped you'll put aside your bitterness toward Obama's fans when it comes time to vote Bush out of office.

If not, like my taglines says, some votes are worth asking for.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:04:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

Exactly. Like I said, party unity is only for Clinton and her supporters.  It's perfectly okay for Obama supporters like yourself to continue bashing her and us.

I'm agreeing with you!  Albeit, calling it classless, which it is.

Some recommended reading:

http://www.sorewinners.com/http://www.so rewinners.com/


by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:09:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

What you call "bashing" is really just that big chip on your shoulder falling off on its own accord.

As for unity, I'd be more comfortable knowing you've gone off in a snit to McCain's camp -- if you're not already there.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:21:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

NEVAH!

So, how's it feel to agree with Rush Limbaugh?


by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:24:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

how's it feel to agree with Rush Limbaugh? (none / 0)

I was hoping you'd tell us.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:27:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: how's it feel to agree with Rush Limbaugh? (none / 0)

Huh?

Um, I'd say his quote mirrors your position more than mine, no?


by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:35:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

his quote mirrors your position more than mine (none / 0)

You're the only one here who can quote Limbaugh.

I don't read or listen to him any more than I play with shit.

That you can cite him once again reveals more about the real you than you intend.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:59:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (none / 0)

I've tried to debate Juno here before, it's pointless. Everything I say, he responds with some manufactured outrage, saying all this nonsense about how I'm not following Obama's message.

I received a warning here for using the term DINO in response to him. I'm pretty sure he was the one who reported me. It's very clear who he's voting for. He's made up his mind before the Democratic nominees ever came out.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:31:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: DINO (none / 0)

I've always considered it valid term. Especially on a site that was once dedicated (I thought) to reforming the Democratic Party as well as the government. Times and people change, and not always for the better.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:44:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

Is this quote from you, another Inspired Obama supporter, or...

Oh, my!  Look who you have aligned yourself with! Congratulations!

"Millions of Americans are thrilled that the
  Clintons are almost finished. We are thisclose
  to the house falling on the Wicked Witch."


by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:12:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

You can bullshit us all you want, but it won't matter because we've seen NoQuarter.  Nothing you're posting even compares to the average hateful post there, and you're cherry-picking quotes.

But if you're trying to fool yourself, then obviously no one can stop you.  How's the view from that high horse?


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:27:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

Pretty ugly, actually.

Freespeech hopes I'd have put aside my bitterness, blah, blah, blah.

I'd hoped Obama supporters would put away the daggers for Clinton (all while shrieking about party unity).

Hope springs eternal.  Really. Bad. Winners.


by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:34:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Freespeech hopes I'd have put aside my bitterness (none / 0)

Actually, I wish you all happiness in the world voting for Bush/McCain.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:08:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

Why let the actions of a few interweb d00dz speak for the masses?


Swing State Project: Campaign & Election News - Covering Key Races Around the Country
by HellofaSandwich on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:19:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (2.00 / 1)

Juno,

I can't rec or rate here....but there are plenty of us Obama supporters who hide-rate every mention of Hillary as a "witch" or other uncomplimentary terms on DK, where I still have that power.

I'm no fan of some of her actions this campaign season, but I don't demonize her and won't let anyone else, if I can stop it.


by JoeW on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:27:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

What do you find so offensive, pray tell?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:20:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

Well, now I see that wicked witch comment -- that is definitely not acceptable.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:21:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

I told you I was citing what I heard on Countdown. If you have a problem with that program, it's your problem alone.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:01:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

The evidence is their reporting.  That's when people call others and, you know, report on what they said.

And what kind of folks were they reporting about? Oh, how about major supporters like Charlie Rangel:

Prominent Hillary Clinton backer Charles Rangel thinks the New York senator could have been "far more generous" during her speech Tuesday night after it was clear Barack Obama had clinched the Democratic nomination.

Rangel, the senior member of the New York congressional delegation and an early supporter of Clinton's presidential campaign, said in an interview Wednesday Clinton should have been more clear about what her future plans are.

"I would agree that after the math was in before her speech, that she could have been far more generous in terms of being more specific and saying that she wants a Democratic victory," Rangel said in an interview on MSNBC.

"I don't see what they're talking about in prolonging this," Rangel added. "There's nothing to prolong if you're not going to take the fight to the convention floor...I don't know why she could not have been more open in terms of doing up front what she intends to do later."

Rangel also said the entire New York congressional delegation is awaiting guidance from Clinton on what to do, and could be put "on the spot" if the New York senator does not explain herself soon.

"We could be on the spot if we don't get some answers about what does it mean when you say that you are not endorsing -- or what does it mean when you say that you haven't -- you're not out of the race. It just doesn't make any sense. It's inconsistent with wanting a Democratic victory and not endorsing the Democratic candidate."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/06/04/rangel-criticizes-clinton-over-n on-concession-speech/


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:24:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

She was apparently ready to hold the Alamo to the bitter end

If that was really was her intention, then I have to question her judgment.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:55:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You should question her judgement (none / 0)

Sending McAuliffe out to announce her as "the next president of the United States" and then referring to those who voted for her as bargaining chips was about as bunker mentality as it gets.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:24:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You should question her judgement (none / 0)

Absolutely.  Terry M. is often borderline too enthusiastic, so you can't hold HRC responsible for his comments.

But what Clinton did was very strange by historical standards and clearly very bad politics for her. And it wasn't even accurate -- not only the popular vote nonsense and claiming that SD was the last primary, but also that the 18 million voters would somehow stick to her and not go to Obama.  I know a lot of Clinton supporters, nearly all are white women over 50, and all of them except for one exception have been certain that they'd vote for Obama. And I think the exception will also migrate to him.  Most Clinton supporters are not deadenders, not on-line and certainly not in the nonvirtual world.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:29:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you can't hold HRC responsible for his comments. (none / 0)

It's funny, I've heard of candidates going off message before, but never a campaign manager. But of course Hillary has to at least accept responsibility for what he said -- it's that "buck stops here" requirement of all who would be president.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:12:39 PM EST
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Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (2.00 / 1)

Considering the raging Hillary-hating asshole that Olbermann has become in this primary process I would take everything that comes up on his show with a grain of salt until it was confirmed by a source without a bias.
Keith has become O'Reilly, the truth may hurt but its still the truth.
by big poppa smurf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:39:26 PM EST
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Re: Out of the race. Out of the running. (none / 0)

I've never heard of even a blind person who couldn't tell the difference between left and right.

Olbermann has done more than any TV journalist to expose the lies and failures of Bush, whereas O'Reilly has done as much as any to obfuscate them.

As soon as Hillary is completely out of the picture you can safely start watching him again in order to learn truths you should know.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:18:00 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Let it be true!

But I won't believe it until I see it.


by Peregrine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:48:16 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

I'm heading over to Bartcop to see what he's saying about this.  He must be crying in his Chinaco.


by XoFalconXo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:55:16 PM EST

Re: ABC News (none / 0)

She will now work her heart out for an Obama victory. Congratulations Senator Clinton, you ran an amazing race. She has my support for any office she may seek in the future from VP to Governor of New York.

Obama/Clinton '08!!!


by liberalj on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:03:13 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 2)

I have but one request of Clinton on Saturday: when she concedes, it should be without qualifications. No "but I won the popular vote" attempt to redefine the criteria -- just a straight up acknowledgment of the fact that no matter how slim the margin of victory, Obama won fair and square. She ran a great campaign and hit her stride late in the race, but Obama also ran a great campaign and he deserves the win without any asterisk attached.


by jdusek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:22:59 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Like Mondale, I was for Obama long before I was against Hillary, and had she not voted for the IWR she would have had my serious consideration at one point.

Maybe it's the heat of the moment, still, but I can't say I'll ever feel anything but disdain for her after the way she ran this campaign, and the way a small number of her supporters have acted (and continue to act in denial, even here on MyDD) with absolute disregard for fairness.

I know most of her supporters are like me, progressives who want to win, but who won't sell out principle to do so either.  I also know I've been harsh in my attitude toward her stronger advocates, and occasionally said pretty harsh things about the Senator herself.

I'm not sure I don't still believe those things, but she can make up a lot of ground with a sincere effort to help Obama get the win now.  I'll be watching it closely as I ponder my future actions as a New York voter.  

I do note that it was clearly Charlie Rangel who did the proverbial taking of her into a room today.  He regains my full measure of respect for doing so.

But Senator Clinton has to prove it to me.  I'm open to believing she can get back on the team again, but I have a hard time believing it.


by fightbull on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:23:35 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

"Millions of Americans are thrilled that the
  Clintons are almost finished. We are thisclose
  to the house falling on the Wicked Witch."  R. Limbaugh
by Juno on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:31:43 PM EST
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Oh look (2.00 / 2)

the REAL enemy.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:35:45 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Why would Charlie Rangel not have your full respect already?


by big poppa smurf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:41:44 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (2.00 / 1)

You have to understand that I live in Harlem, and proximity to the machine Rangel built leads to complex opinions of the man, as nearly any of his constituents would tell you, even though he is clearly a hero of the republic and a master politician.

His strong, early support for Hillary, given his stature in Harlem, has left some bitterness in its wake in the 'hood.  But he is a true pragmatist, and I am very pleased that he saved his influence for a crucial moment.


by fightbull on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:44:53 PM EST
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Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Awesome.  No hard feelings.  Come on board and let's make the Repugs extinct.  Amerika doesn't want them anymore.


Scy
by scytherius on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:23:48 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Friday (none / 0)

Not that it probably matters to anyone, but this report from ABC is just one more media "gotcha" although a subtle one.  She is "ceding" rather than conceding.  It's a little thing but the connotation is slightly snarky.  I think Todd picked up on it because he puts the line in quotes before he gives us the article in block.  Maybe it's just me.  
p.s. Congratulations to Senator Obama on a great race and a great victory.  He will win in November and I look forward to a great administration.
by Demo Dan in Dayton on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:35:03 PM EST

Re: ABC News: Hillary Will Drop Out On Saturday? (none / 0)

maybe hillary is rocky, just from rocky balboa (the new one) not rocky II. also, regardless of whether or not she becomes veep, he NEEDS to make her his debate sparring partner.  there's no one better, and she'll never pull a punch.  he needs to be ready for everything in  debate and she can make that happen.


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:00:45 PM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (2.00 / 1)

I can see the future: In 2 months there will be ZERO talk of Clinton supporters going with McCain, only talk of how amazingly the party has healed and Obama will be well up in the polls over McCain. Bank on it!


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:04:16 PM EST

Saturday (none / 0)

I am certain that Clinton will make a very good speech on Saturday.  I am also certain that she will endorse Obama in a total and unqualified fashion.

I am certain that this was a very difficult day for her.  Just 6 months ago she had this nomination in the bag.

I believe that she and her supporters sat down today and came to the realization that the best way to get health care and all the other issues she supports passed, would be to have Obama in the White House.  I know that not all of the people who voted for her will vote for Obama, but those who want to get Hillary's legislation passed, will support the Democrats this Fall.


by monkeyga on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:05:23 PM EST

Thank God. nt (none / 0)


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:51 PM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter, I cannot think of a better vice presidential candidate than Hillary Clinton.  Perhaps Bill Clinton, but we know that aint gonna happen.  

She galvanized a record number of voters, and it only makes sense to have her be the VP given her installed base of voters.


by agpc on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:36:36 PM EST

Superb Joan Walsh (2.00 / 1)

article in Salon on how Obama will have to win over Clinton's 18 million voters.

His entire campaign staff and all of his supporters  ought to be reading this tonight!


by Radiowalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:33:16 PM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (1.00 / 4)

I....John McCain....do solemnly swear.....


by LP from MD on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:42:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (none / 0)

See you in November LP!

With a unified Dem party, McCain is TOAST.

But I'll just wait until Nov 5th to come back and quote you on this comment.

You are welcome to watch on the sidelines, or cross over to the R side.

Either way, we are taking back the WH in Nov, with or without you.

So the ball is in your court.


by mukloidy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:30 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (none / 0)

LOL. What are the odds that alegre and TD go to Hillary's kumbaya unity party?


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:00:26 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (none / 0)

All you want to know about where Todd Beaton's comung from:

"ABC News is reporting what I hoped would happen: Hillary Clinton will "cede the nomination to Barack Obama" on Friday."

WWTBQ?  Indeed!


by krj47 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:48:15 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (none / 0)

She will be missed.


by carrieboberry on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:11:12 AM EST

Re: Hillary Will Concede On Saturday (none / 0)

Actually, I think We're all Democrats.......I haven't had a single discussion on this issue from anyone .....I'd be pleasantly suport  the man who is really democratics.


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by anasky123 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:43:41 AM EST


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