She Has His Back

I know many are perplexed and even disappointed that Hillary Clinton didn't make more of a declarative statement about her campaign status last night and get more fully behind Barack Obama (and yes, I'm aware that still others are quite glad she didn't.) But while she may not have made an official endorsement of support for Obama's candidacy, she's been sending some signs of a tacit endorsement in the meantime today, demonstrating that she does have his back as the nominee.

As Josh notes in Breaking Blue, The Hotline's On Call reported that Hillary said the following in her address to AIPAC today:

"It has been an honor to contest these primaries with him. It is an honor to call him my friend. And let me be very clear, I know that Sen. Obama will be a good friend to Israel."

On top of that, The Swamp has reported that Hillary told Rahm Emanuel to do what he can to help Barack Obama.

Hillary Clinton got a call yesterday from Cong. Rahm Emanuel, who told her he'd been invited to appear with Barack Obama at a meeting of a pro-Israel lobbying group on Wednesday. [...]

In that conversation, Emanuel ended his long-held neutrality in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, letting Clinton know that he would endorse his fellow Illinois Democrat now that he is the presumptive presidential nominee.

And, according to Emanuel's account, Clinton seemed to sound a conciliatory note.

"Her other line was (that I) should join him because he will need the help of the Jewish community," said Emanuel, noting that he was paraphrasing all of her comments based on his memory of the conversation. "She said, 'You should do that, we should all do what we can to help him.'"

I'm glad to see her engaging in this sort of advocacy on Barack Obama's behalf as it's arguably more important than an out and out endorsement. Of course, once she does endorse and once she begins to do what she's been insisting for months that she would do, namely help the Democratic nominee defeat John McCain, that will be extremely valuable to the perception of unity, for rallying her supporters around him, and for her own legacy, and it  will provide Obama with further momentum and validity as the presumptive nominee. As I said last night, I hope it comes this week.



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Yes, yes, yes. (2.00 / 8)

It is critical that we Hillary supporters be gracious in defeat.  It is critical that Obama supporters be gracious in victory.

We need to get on with this project.  Barack Obama needs to be president, because enough is enough, and eight years has been too much.


Our long national nightmare is over.
by Beltway Dem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:12:58 PM EST

Indeed (2.00 / 5)

and Hillary Clinton is very important to that and if anyone doubted her intentions this should show them that they were wrong.  Hillary Clinton is not the 'monster' that many make her out to be, kudos to her for this.


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by Student Guy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:19:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Message control... (2.00 / 1)

...she's got to start reminding her supporters there's a general election going on, we have a nominee, and her ideals are far closer to Obama's than they are to McCain's.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:14:29 PM EST

she has said that (none / 0)

almost word for word for the last two months.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:24:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, she hasn't. (2.00 / 3)

She needs to concede. Officially. Then she needs to get behind the nominee of the Democratic party, and urge her supporters to do the same.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:27:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i was talking about (none / 0)

reminding her supporters that she is closer to Obama than mccain.

He has been the nominee for 1 full day.  What is your rush


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:32:39 PM EST
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Re: i was talking about (2.00 / 1)

How many days does a Democrat have to be the nominee of the Democratic party before being recognized as the nominee by his closest competitor?

A week? A month? An hour before election day?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:34:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: i was talking about (2.00 / 1)

Well, unlike you I do not begrudge Sen. Clinton a day or two to regroup with her supporters. I say let her and her passionate supporters have a moment to mourn their loss in a close and spirited contest.

When she does deliver a heart-felt, eloquent ode to Sen.Obama with a full-fledged endorsement, it will be that much more effective.


by wolff109 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:53:34 PM EST
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Re: i was talking about (none / 0)

I actually don't mind if she doesn't say "I endorse Obama" I just want her to officially "suspend" (not even end) her campaign and order her campaign surrogates to back the fuck off.


by MNPundit on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:55:55 PM EST
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Re: i was talking about (none / 0)

That's the key.  I'm with you in not begrudging her a couple of days to rally her supporters, soften the blow, work on rehabilitating her reputation (which has been shockingly tarnished by spin despite as impressive a showing a showing as anyone who's ever come up short).

But too many Obama supporters have begrudged her everything all along.  Now is the time for them to chill, to show the Clinton die-hards that they respect her candidacy and that they afford her the same respect and the same opportunity for a graceful exit (rather than humiliating surrounding) that any worthy, important, and needed short-term adversary/long-term ally should be afforded.

So I'm with you -- just chill out and give her a couple of days to sort it all out.  

Because ultimately, it will work out if people just chill.


by dcg2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:08:54 PM EST
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exactly (none / 0)

If it looks like she is being forced, it will piss off a lot of her passionate supporters.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:18:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: exactly (none / 0)

Good point.  Exactly like how Obama people are trying to say that it if it looks like Obama is being forced into picking him as VP, he can't do it (not that he'll do it anyway, since he's probably convinced himself that the right wing caricature of her was actually correct).  

But it goes both way.  These are two powerful and ambitious and egotistical politicians with a great desire to do right by people and a huge, roughly equal base of support.  Neither will ever do anything if it looks to the world like they are being forced into it.  That's just how politicians are.


by dcg2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:59:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She won the election (none / 0)

Why should she concede officially?  Or unofficially?

THE VOTERS HAVE DECIDED.

The delegates are under intimidation, and thinking about their professional future.
This is EXACTLY WHY voting is secret.

Two states were hatcheted under the pretense
of "Punishment"  Who was punished?  Not the
republicans responsible for moving the elections.
DNC cannot punish democratic voters for something
they had no control over.

This is a thrown election.


by layer cake on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:33:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: i was talking about (none / 0)

I think she should be given a little time but I'm not sure why I feel that way.  Maybe because of the length of the campaign or the fact that she lost by so little.  Still, if you look at the way most campaigns end, the loser steps up the night of the election and congratulates the winner.  It does look bad that she couldn't find it in her to do so.

Maybe I'm giving her that grace period in my mind because she's female.  Which is sexist but I'm giving her something rather than taking it away so perhaps that's OK.  

I'm so confused.  I just want her come around so we can all be one big happy family again!


I was with Obama from the start.
by SpanishFly on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:23:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

When the entire primary was hijacked (none / 0)

from democratic voters, how can you possibly expect there every to be unity again.

This party is now reduced to the splinter group that threw this for Obama.

They'll blame and point fingers at everyone but themselves.

Obama will lose, and they'll blame Clinton.  Not themselves.

Do you know how long it took the southern states to come back to the party after the states were over-run? The cause was just, but because of the manner things were done, you will never get those states back again.

Now you've just told over half they party their votes don't count.  The claim is these Hillary supporters are slope foreheaded zeros.  Maybe people claiming this don't know where progressive Paul Krugman teaches.  Or the Ivy League college my neighbor graduated from with double honors.

You think you're going to shove a moon in these people's faces and they're going to dog whistle right back to help you out.


by layer cake on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:38:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

perhaps... (none / 0)

if that was true.  i'd strongly suggest that you had unrealistic expectations and have wrongly interpreted the results before you.  perhaps a little hyperbolic, as well...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:38:31 PM EST
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Re: No, she hasn't. (none / 0)

Slow down... let her collect some donations to pay down the debt.  Let her supporters heal a little.

Confirmation is not until the convention...

So long as they all stay positive towards each other - there is no need to concede or free her delegates.


by snolan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:48:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

here, here... (none / 0)


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:21:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You don't heal from a thrown election (none / 0)

Ever.


by layer cake on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:40:27 PM EST
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Re: No, she hasn't. (none / 0)

i concur


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by edparrot on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:34:30 PM EST
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bullshit... (none / 0)

she is behind the nominee.  and it won't matter if she urges her supporters to get behind barack this minute, because they are still mad as hell.  nothing she says will change that -- right now.

we need her to be supportive when everyone has calmed down.  the impatience for hillary to concede or do what you want only confirms the validity of her supporter's suspicion here.  hillary doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want to.  but it's best for obama if she's seen as wanting to do what she ends up doing...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:21:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Message control... (none / 0)

I don't give a fuck what Hillary say's, I vote my conscience, always have, always will, and right now my vote will probably be for Edwards/Kucinuch, or maybe Hillary, but I will not vote for Obama.


by muggle on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:41:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This in my mind is more important than (2.00 / 1)

a real endorsement right now because it softens the animosity towards Obama that some of her supporters have.  I hope she continues to do this for a week or two before she drops out as it will make her supporters think more kindly of Obama.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:14:39 PM EST

Re: This in my mind is more important than (2.00 / 2)

She should continue running for weeks after having lost the nomination? How does that make any sense?

She should have been speaking like she did today at least 2 or 3 weeks ago.  When it became clear after Indiana and North Carolina, she should have completely changed the tone and demeanor of her campaign instead of waiting until he technically clinched the nomination.  

Her speech last night did nothing to soften her ardent supporters opinion of Obama. In fact, it further enraged them by continuing the play the disenfranchisement card and only served to make herself seem more important.  Any chance she had at being VP was probably lost during her speech last night, and whatever chance remains diminishes every hour she continues this charade.


by KevinT on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:44:16 PM EST
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Re: She Has His Back (2.00 / 1)

She better help Clyburn... He's getting hate calls from supposed Hillary supporters:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/04/ clyburn-clinton-supporters-flood-office- with-hate-calls/

Other than a few Taylor Marsh types, I'm convinced that most of these are Republican Operation chaos trolls who have an easy excuse to be racist.  I don't believe that these trolls are true Hillary suppporters.

Hillary needs to step up to the plate and denounce these trolls masquerading as her supporters.


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:14:43 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

I wish I could agree, but I know of a few (gotta be unfortunately vague here, sorry) but some pretty well-known state party figures in a state  I live in who have been firing off letters to the national GOP on office stationairy that are truly repellant in their anti-Obama nature, and embarrassing in their pro-Hillary delusion. Remember that woman from that Firedoglake clip? Think of it more like a bluetooth virus.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:23:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (2.00 / 1)

Clyburn was one of Hillary's greatest liabilities in the later stage of her fight for the South.

Despite his vows of allegiance to Hillary's campaign, his faint praise and quick denunciation on the bogus race card played on Bill for the Jesse Jackson comment in South Carolina told Clinton supporters all they needed to know about him, and his quick condemnation of her innocent RFK remarks in May confirmed it.

The Obamas got to him, the Black Caucus probably stormed his office and demanded he back Obama, and his turncoat performance yesterday was a foregone conclusion.

I certainly do not agree with callers who according to him called him racist names on the phone, but in a political sense, to Clinton supporters, this man did us very wrong.


by dembluestates on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:01:41 PM EST
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Easy does it (none / 0)

Demoninzing the Black Caucus isn't going to win any battles here.

I mean, there's already rumors being circulated that the Black Caucus is going to lean on a future President Obama to start enforcing reparations for slavery.

Toning down rhetoric all around might be a good idea.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Well, Stephanie Tubbs Jones did OH-11 very, very wrong... not for endorsing Hillary, or chairing her Ohio campaign.  She was extremely demeaning and belittled Obama mercilessly, even though her district voted 80% for him.

She could have supported her without demeaning him, but she chose the latter.

So, it looks like we've both got some grudges with our African American politicians.


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:21:16 PM EST
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Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Clyburn NEVER vowed allegiance to the Clinton campaign.

He claimed he was neutral while labeling the Clintons racists.

Screw Clyburn. What goes around comes around.

This is the universe's way of giving back the poison that he put out there.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:38:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Clyburg was PATHETIC for claiming that Clinton (none / 0)

was deliberately trying to cause Obama to lose the general election.

He was way out of line. He also pretended to be offended at the completely inoffensive remark that Bill Clinton made.

He also said "this is how Bill Clinton pays us back". He then went on to say that blacks saved Bill Clinton during the whole Monica thing.

So, I guess the Clinton's should have quit months ago and kissed Obama's hand as he PLAYED THE RACE CARD on them.

What has been said about the former president and first lady by various DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, especially Clyburg is not forgivable.

You can vote for Obama if you want but I sure won't reward someone for race-bating. He is a race-bator and the only two pastors from his church of 20 years are race-bators. So, it makes you go hmmm.


by mmorang on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:35:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Screw the Judas SOB, hope he gets primaried.


by muggle on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:44:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Can't wait to hear Hillary say it. (none / 0)

YES WE CAN!

A united Democratic party will steamroll the GOP for years to come.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:15:27 PM EST

I will now be patient (none / 0)

OK I have been impatient, but I have now seen statements from Both Charles Rangel and Gov. Rendell making public statements about the Clintons coming to Obamas side.

These are two of her most vocal and ardent supporters.  They made their statements very publicly.

I am sure that others are making things known privately.  I will now back off for a while and let them treat this as a family issue within the Clinton campaign.  

I have confidence that everything will be worked out by the end of the week.


by monkeyga on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:18:13 PM EST

Re: I will now be patient (none / 0)

Patience is good. It makes perfect sense to me that Sen.Clinton would want a day or two -- at least -- to enable her supporters to absorb a very disappointing defeat. It's a lot to ask those who worked so hard and came so close to disregard the fights and ill-will of a spirited contest in which their beloved candidate lost.

Time heals much, and in a day or two, when she finally delivers an eloquent and heart-felt clarion call for Obama, her supporters will be that much more ready to resume the fight against a common foe.


by wolff109 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:47:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I will now be patient (2.00 / 1)

I don't get it. How will tomorrow be any different than today? The trajectory of the race has been clear for months.

Last night was a missed opportunity. Can you imagine the power of Democratic unity that could have come out of that if she'd acted as Hilary Rosen suggested? It would have been so powerful, not to mention completely covering those of us who've been cynical about her with egg. Now it will be some announcement at press conference or something? Why will it be any easier tomorrow than today?


by RickTaylor on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:00:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

time is a wonderful healer... (none / 0)

even if the trajectory was obvious to you and me, that doesn't mean that the other side wasn't invested in their own trajectory.  hillary was winning, yada yada -- they had their own rationale.  let's not pretend that our's was the only valid one...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:22:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rosen (none / 0)

I think some things could have been handled differently last night as Rosen suggests, but for now I will be patient and let Rendell and Rangel and a few others have their talks with Clinton.  I am sure they are all talking right now.  I don't want to rehash what happened (or didnt) last night

I do beleive that the situation is being made worse by that national media that wants to see a divided party.  I also beleive that there are people who are part of 'Operation Chaos' trying to make things worse and stir up anger.

Again, I state that I have confidence that we will be a happy family by this weekend.


by monkeyga on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:26:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Sounds promising.  I would think her doing this a little more publically would go a long way in unifying the party.


by rf7777 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:19:09 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (2.00 / 1)

she's got about 3 days. then she becomes irrelevant if she doesn't give the speech.


by Metrobot on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:19:47 PM EST

and since when (none / 0)

do you hold the clock?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:25:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and since when (2.00 / 1)

since i decided my opinion rocks!


by Metrobot on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:38:36 PM EST
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There are no more contests (2.00 / 1)

Last night was the perfect time to be gracious.

The media will not be seeking her out daily asking her opinion. If she thinks that, she's in for a rude awakening.

Each day she fails to endorse the nominee, her influence and relevancy wanes.


Titles are important: Convicted Felon Lewis "Scooter" Libby
by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:48:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There are no more contests (none / 0)

Considering how hungry the MSM is for controversy and how much they love to bash Clinton (I'm looking at you MSNBC) I would have to say that you are so wrong it isn't even funny.
In what dimension would CNN, FOX, MSNBC, et. al, not be in a feeding frenzy with a constant Hillary watch if it looked like she was going to take this to the convention? It sure as hell wouldn't be the one we all live in.
I know most Obama supporters would like to think that she is going to soon be irrelevant but that is just wishful thinking I;m afraid.
by big poppa smurf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:41:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes: they's like to see he destroy Dem Party (none / 0)

Question is: why would you? And why would she?


Titles are important: Convicted Felon Lewis "Scooter" Libby
by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:15:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and since when (none / 0)

seems like Hill agrees with me. My opinion does rock!!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/4/18482 8/9820#commenttop


by Metrobot on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:03:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Oh, wow, I can't even begin to describe the relief I feel about this statement.

Please, please let it mean that she's begun to slowly walk things back to heal the party.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:19:59 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (2.00 / 3)

I'd disagree that her "having his back" being "more important" than endorsements.

It's like giving her credit for not being destructive -- which really is what we're doing here. She had an opportunity to ding him -- and she didn't take it, and instead said what we'd expect anyone to say of just about any American leader. What major American leader outside the fringe ISN'T a friend to Isreal? What major American leader who'd want to be president isn't CLEARLY a public friend to Israel?

This isn't a distinction without a difference. I'm not satisfied with congratulating Hillary for not punching Obama in the face each time the opportunity arises. Each day she's out there like this, she takes the spotlight off our chances for November, and hurts her own chances to make a credible case for herself to be Veep.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:20:15 PM EST

LMFAO @ ^. Sorry, best I could do in response. nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:22:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Lettuce,

I watched both speeches. From what I saw, she offered up her support of Obama unsolicited. There was no context or need to even mention Obama. Her doing so was a clear signal of her support for the nominee, in an area where he has had trouble and where her own bona fides are impeccable.

I believe action speaks louder than words. Her actions were effective and valuable, and would be better than a hollow homage of lip service. This shows that when she officially endorses Obama it will continue to mean something substantive. She will be an important ally.


by wolff109 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:40:42 PM EST
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Re: She Has His Back (2.00 / 1)

She has more credibility regarding Obama as an opponent than as a surrogate. It makes sense to use this period before she concedes, should she do so, to effectively argue in support of Obama to potentially hostile audiences.

Once she concedes, or if she endorses Obama, I will be less interested in what she says about Obama than in how Obama explains himself.


by souvarine on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:06:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (2.00 / 1)

I think she's delaying endorsement to give her supporters a little time to come around to the reality of the situation.  In the meantime, she's actively positive about Barack Obama and her supporters are picking up on that tone and (hopefully) beginning to adopt it.  

I think in a few days or a week the vast majority of us will be able to get behind her coming endorsement, and we'll do it with enthusiasm.  But it's a lot to ask of us today.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:23:51 PM EST

I knew she would. (2.00 / 2)

Despite all the things have angered me in this primary campaign, she is a true blue Democrat.  She is going to fight for Obama as the nominee and that is to her credit.

We are lucky to have her as an ally.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:23:54 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (1.50 / 2)

About a week ago Obama's campaign and many of his supporters were arguing, with a straight face, that Hillary wanted Obama to be assassinated.  I'd say screw 'em all if I were her.  How does she know he will be a friend to Israel?  What has he done (not just said) to prove this?  But, I digress...

I'll vote for the Democratic nominee, but I'm keeping my money to myself.


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:25:19 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (1.50 / 2)

TR'ed for the sig alone.

Please provide a quote from the Obama campaign that said that Hillary wanted Obama to be assassinated.  


by ChrisKaty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:32:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Hey BRockNYC, I see you took the time to TR me back (hey mods, TR abuse?), but couldn't answer my question.

Telling.


by ChrisKaty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:33:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Ha!  yes, call the admins.  you think your TR was justified?

As I recall Mr. Axelrod himself made a statement saying something like, "these comments have no place in this campaign."  and the MSM troll reporters that prop Obama up confirmed that the Obama campaign was pushing the story to their blackberries.  Just as they did with the Ferraro "story".


On the train thanks to HRC...
by BRockNYC on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:10:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

This is encouraging.

I will be patient.  I'm not kidding when I say that.  I will calm myself and let it ride.

That will last for a few days.  That should be more than enough time for them to work this out.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:26:59 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Or you'll do what?  Not vote for her?


by dembluestates on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:04:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

I watched the AIPAC speeches. Obama was excellent. But Hillary was just outstanding. She was great, and showed the world why she has such passionate support. Her knowledge and command of the issues, her ability to speak to them with force and passion, and her staunch advocacy was something to behold.

Then, when she launched her pro-Obama message, I stood up clapping.

It is truly great to be once again on the same team as Sen. Clinton.

McCain's in deep, deep trouble.


by wolff109 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:33:06 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

it is so nice to read such an acknowledgement of clinton's strengths among all these other posts that seem to deny that she has any.


by california voter on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:04:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

at this point, it doesn't matter how or if she ever concedes to me (although it will matter to Obama how persuasive she is in getting her supporters to support him).

My wish at this point is to move beyond Hillary dominating the headlines and headlong into the GE discourse sooner then later.

Our focus needs to be on beating mcCain.


!
by alex100 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:36:09 PM EST

yes, she's approaching irrelevancy (none / 0)

each day she stubbornly clings to fighting him in Denver makes her more irrelevant.


Titles are important: Convicted Felon Lewis "Scooter" Libby
by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:42:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rezko jury verdict (none / 0)

to be announced at 3:45 Chicago time (4:45 in the east, I guess)

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko /984453,rezkoverdict060408.article


by katmandu1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:40:34 PM EST

Todd, if you're reading, (2.00 / 2)

here's a textbook example of the stuff you'd expect to be cleared out of a site promoting the election of the Democratic nominee to the White House.


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by Firewall on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:43:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

HRC's leverage is waning by the day (2.00 / 1)

She assumes she has a great deal of power and sway.

But what she doesn't realize is that each day that goes by with her stubbornly clinging to fighitng Obama in Denver adds to her irrelevancy.

That's right: if she doesn't find the light soon, she will be irrelevent.

We'll be forced to do it without her.


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by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:41:09 PM EST

Patience, please! She's no longer fighting. (none / 0)

But that's not what she's doing. She has no intention of taking a fight to Denver. Her actions the past 24 hours are clear: she has made strong statements in favor of Sen. Obama.

The only thing she hasn't done is given a concession speech endorsing Obama. But why the rush?

I have no problem with giving her and her supporters some time to gather their thoughts. She'll give a great speech endorsing Obama, then we'll all be happy.


by wolff109 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:58:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Patience, please! She's no longer fighting. (2.00 / 2)

Every time she casts the shadow of illigitimacy on Obama's win by invoking her specious "popular vote" meme, she's fighting.  Every time she doesn't discourage chants of "Denver!" she's fighting.  Every day she doesn't endorse our nominee she's fighting.

She and her supporters have had since mid-February to deal with the fact that she probably was going to lose.  Keeping herself in the spotlight on the day that Obama's won our nomination is nothing but self-aggrandizement, and it's harmful the Party coming together.


by ChrisKaty on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:35:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

bullshit... (none / 0)

(again).  hillary's leverage is not time-sensitive.  she brings considerable assets (and liabilities), but it's downright stupid to think that she is losing her leverage.  i don't want her on the ticket (my own preference), but i won't discount that she's got considerable leverage in the party...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:27:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

She's not trying to Help Obama (none / 0)

Only herself.

If she were tryihg to help Obama, she would've done so last night, when it really would've meant something.

Not conceding last night, shows that her top priority is herself: faint hopes for her running this election and more hopes of undercutting Obama to position herself for 2012.


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by BentLiberal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yeah, yeah, yeah... (none / 0)

get over it...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:39:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

sweet like candy.


by alyssa chaos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:54:53 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

I realize that I'm being really nit-picky here, but would it have killed her to say President Obama will be a friend of Israel?


by Dan Conley on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:01:29 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

Yea, you're being nit-picky.

Obama has not even been officially confirmed as the Dem nominee yet, and won't be until Denver.


by dembluestates on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:06:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

So what's your point -- you think SHE'S going to be President?


by Dan Conley on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:11:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

I was encouraged by Hillary's comments today.  I hope that she'll move her endorsement from tacit to public and enthusiastic, but I understand that she might need a few days to get there.  The main thing for all of us now is to remember that we really do share many of the same ideals.  Ultimately, Obama and Clinton have more in common than these primaries have led us to believe.  


by writerswrite on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:07:46 PM EST

She has missed the boat (2.00 / 2)

For months now they have been showing her to be the likely loser.  She has had far too long to adjust and arrive at this moment with grace and historical poise.  She has remained difiant and offered up a luke warm tone.  Obama, in his speech, was infinitely more complimentary and expansive when talking about Hillary.  The world was watching on Tues. night.  Instead she gave the Bronx cheer.  She lingered on her strengths, her perceived victories, and touted how she had more of the popular vote.  NOTHING new.  And frankly distorted.  This moment was not sprung on her.  It was well orchestrated and she chose to fumble.  Watch the two speeches, side by side, and you see why we are looking at this outcome.  As Hillary opined, the important question is "what does Hillary want?  What does Hillary want?"  


by SovSov on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:08:10 PM EST

Re: She has missed the boat (2.00 / 3)

Just like I never hear Obama say how great it would be to elect a black President and Hillary talks incessantly about how great it would be to elect a woman -- Obama rarely talks about himself, but Hillary can't stop talking about herself.  What does Hillary want?  Who the f- cares?  Might as well as what does Chris Dodd want, he lost the nomination too.


by Dan Conley on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:13:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i may not be normal... (none / 0)

but hillary should do what she wants in the time frame she needs.  hell, given the fact that many of her supporters are pushing her hard to abandon the democratic party (i'd bet we even have people who want her to run as mccain's veep), i'm grateful that she's stated a commitment to the democratic party -- even if it won't be her democratic party...


"We did not come to fear the future. We came here to shape it." - President Obama, Sept 9, 2009
by bored now on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:14:34 PM EST

what she could have done! (2.00 / 1)

She could have come out like gang busters.  Talking about how we have heard from all the voters and we have the most historical of moments.  We have had a spirited fight between a woman and a man of color.  Something we only see in movies which take place in 2056.  While she lost she is so proud of her party, her supporters, and most importantly the NEW DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE - OBAMA.  She could have talked about all the fantastic things he will do and detail their collective great moments during the campaign.  She could have talked about how lucky we are to have such a great candidate, and a unified organization against the republican party.  She could have sounded like a fantastic band opening up for the star attraction...Obama's soon to come speech.  She would have shut us all up and made us feel like asses for not trusting her motives.  Instead we got barely a nod.  


by SovSov on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:19:48 PM EST

and (2.00 / 2)

in three days when she gets off her duff, no one will notice.  she missed her historic chance to open for a very historic moment.  she could have been a deserving part of history and not someone who wouldn't accept it.


by SovSov on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:22:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what she could have done! (2.00 / 2)

After a match, win or lose, you shake the opponent's hand before you head to the locker room.

Hillary didn't do that.  Nothing will ever change the fact that this was bad sportsmanship.  It is already cemented in history and nothing can alter it now.


by nocore on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:44:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I just want to say (none / 0)

that I came to this site during the primary from DKos, because it was obvious that it was an echo chamber there (and that is not always a bad thing! support for a candidate kinda depends on groupism, since noone is perfect).

I've supported Obama the whole time, and while a part of me has a soft spot for the dream ticket, I realize that that isn't likely. Not so much because of the attacks from both sides, but because of the campaign messages that differ so starkly: change  vs. experience..

Anyways, what I wanted to mention is that I got tears in my eyes yesterday, not just from seeing Obama win, but also seeing the positivity here from front-pagers and other Clinton supporters. It was really special, and I hope that, if the roles had been reversed, I would have been as honorable and gracious. It is a privilege to have supporters like you on board.

Tears in the eyes are just one tiny thing. I cannot wait for huge Dem gains in November, and a truly new direction for the country..

And it starts here, with the awesome Democrats who have been so passionate for Clinton, but are putting their own interests aside for the benefit of the party and, ultimately, so much more.


by amsterdem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:27:25 PM EST

Re: Has His Back (none / 0)

She's had his back for awhile now, albeit inadvertantly.  The race has been way too close for her to even entertaining quitting, even though the media and others have been encouraging her to do so since Iowa! The Obama camp ought to be glad she's been here, because she has served as a protective shield for Obama.  If she had quit earlier, the Republicans would have already torn Obama too shreds.  He's had a little bumpy road with Hillary still in it, but if she were gone Obama would be toast by now.  


by moevaughn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:12:49 PM EST

Re: She Has His Back (none / 0)

 I beleive that there are people who are part of 'Operation Chaos' trying to make things worse and stir up anger.


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by anasky123 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:31:24 AM EST


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