McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept?

McCain sent a letter to Obama today proposing a series of weekly townhall-style debates to run throughout the summer.  Here is the relevant passage:

I propose these town hall meetings be as free from the regimented trappings, rules and spectacle of formal debates as possible, and that we pledge to the American people we will not allow the idea to die on the negotiation table as our campaigns work out the details. I suggest we agree to participate in at least ten town halls once a week with the first on June 11 or 12 in New York City at Federal Hall until the week before the Democratic Convention begins at locations to be determined by our campaigns. Federal Hall is particularly fitting as it was the place where George Washington took the oath of office as our first President and the birthplace of American government hosting the first Congress, Supreme Court and Executive Branch offices. These town halls should be attended by an audience of between two to four hundred selected by an independent polling agency, could be sixty to ninety minutes in length, have very limited moderation by an independ ent local moderator, take blind questions from the audience selected by the moderator and allow for equally proportional time for answers by each of us. All of these are suggestions that can be finalized by our campaigns. What is important is that we commit to participate in these history making meetings to join in the higher level of discourse that Americans clearly would prefer.

As a political junkie and a policy wonk, I want to see this happen simply for the entertainment value.  It would be a great debate format and a huge departure from the painfully scripted and lifeless debates that we will probably see in the fall.  However...

I have mixed feelings about whether Obama should accept.  The summer should be his period to build up a lead as the party unifies, culminating in the democratic convention.  Accepting this plan will focus media attention on the debates, and open up possibilities for stumbles that could hurt Obama's momentum. In addition, the townhall appears to be McCain's best format, but not necessarily a great one for Obama.  I think he improved a ton over the course of the primary season, but speaking off the cuff in response to unknown questions is not his strength.

On the other hand, if Obama turns the offer down we are likely to hear about it for a long time.  McCain will reference this constantly, supposedly as confirmation that Obama's campaign is just personality driven and without substance and that he is afraid to debate the issues.

So I'm torn.  The best response might be a counter proposal that would decrease the frequency of the events and try to tweak the details a bit.  I especially think including an extended opening and closing statement, for example, plays to Obama's strength. What do you guys think?

UPDATE: The Obama campaign has already responded with the following statement from David Plouffe.
Barack Obama has said before, the idea of joint town halls is appealing and one that would allow a great conversation to take place about the need to change the direction of this country. We would recommend a format that is less structured and lengthier than the McCain campaign suggests, one that more closely resembles the historic debates between Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas. But, having just secured our party’s nomination, this is one of the many items we will be addressing in the coming days and look forward to discussing it with the McCain campaign.

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Debates aren't his strong point (none / 0)

McCain gets to do the folksy humorist, which he is good at.

Barack needs some more coaching before he agrees. IMO.


by Neef on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:02:45 PM EST

Ten is too many (2.00 / 1)

Folks tune out in the summer.  I think the format sounds reasonable and eliminates TM douchebags who fundamentally ruined most of the debates for both Clinton and Obama.

After last night's speech by McCain, and he's repeated gaffes over the last several weeks, I think one or two town fora would be great.


by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:42 PM EST

There will be some counter proposal (none / 0)

It wouldn't be reasonable for any candidate to expect to get to dictate the exact terms for debates.  And hitting Obama on not accepting exactly what is offered has been tried already.  It sure didn't work in Wisconsin.  That kind of thing cuts both ways because they may hit you as being chicken but if you agree to whatever they want you actually prove that you are.  

I wouldn't worry so much about the format.  Obama is so beyond McCain at grasping the issues and understanding what needs to be done right now.  He's also just way the hell more charming, which counts in the town hall thingies.  I've been in the room and seen him take questions and he's far more effective than the conventional wisdom of the campaign has held.

McCain says things about how wrong Obama is on foriegn policy.  Try doing that on the same stage with him.  He's just going to ring McCAin's bell with it because, of course, the majority of Americans know full well that Obama was right and McCain was wrong on the biggest foriegn policy decision of our time.  

He's going to be able to talk circles around McCain on just about everything and do it with a smile.


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:08:58 PM EST

Re: There will be some counter proposal (2.00 / 1)

I agree completely.  I've been waiting for months to see these two on the same stage.

I imagine Obama would agree to only 3-5 of these meetings.  He's got a lot to do this summer.

I'd be entertained to see the supporters present.  There's no way McCain could bring in more than 1/3 of the supporters assuming these were held in mid-sized or larger towns.


by GreenHills on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:15:15 PM EST
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He is too busy (2.00 / 1)

and that should be made clear.  He'll debate McCain but every time he does will be a pinnacle of attention for McCain.

That's the hilarious thing.  We've got the candidate everyone wants to see all the time.  The GOP is going to need some help from Obama to remind the country who he is running against from time to time.  


by Sun Dog on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:30:38 PM EST
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Heh, sure. (none / 0)

Why not?  The more often we get to watch Obama shred McCain, the better.


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by sricki on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:10:14 PM EST

The funniest part... (2.00 / 1)

Obama aide Bill Burton, a campaign source says, went downstairs in their Chicago offices just now to collect a hand-delivered copy of John McCain's invitation to Goldwater-Kennedy-style debates with Obama.

"You know, you could have just emailed this," a somewhat puzzled Burton told the middle-aged messenger.

The generation gap seems to be playing out at a lot of levels here, and come to think of it, it's striking that the McCain debate proposal includes nothing that couldn't have been done in the Goldwater days, and no nod to the existence of the Internet.

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by jsfox on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:14:54 PM EST

Re: The funniest part... (2.00 / 1)

maybe McCain was afraid that Obama's spam filter would throw into the junk folder.


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:16:42 PM EST
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Re: The funniest part... (none / 0)

LOL


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:18:09 PM EST
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Hilarious (none / 0)

It was probably delivered by rickshaw.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:21:37 PM EST
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Re: The funniest part... (none / 0)

D'oh, you beat me to this. I think Obama should counterpropose with 5 regional forums and 3 internet forums where people can submit questions and some trusted moderators would select which got asked. Could allow for followup questions as well. It would be a good way to get serious questions asked and would most decidedly stick both candidates under the microscope.
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by vcalzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:30:32 PM EST
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Re: McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept? (none / 0)

I'm mixed on this, but certainly against so many.  Here's why:

It's just free advertising for John McCain.

He'll have less money to spend, he's less dynamic, and he's already proven he can't bring in the big crowds.  In several, fundamental ways, Obama would be doing McCain's job for him by allowing such unprecedented equal time, by bringing in his huge crowds, and would neutralize some of his own advantages in those respects.

If Obama wants to do the debates, fine--but something far less than 10.

Still, it would be entertaining as hell...


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by AK Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:17:07 PM EST

Re: McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept? (none / 0)

I wonder if Obama could say "Yeah, I'll do it - and our two campaigns will jointly buy the time on the Hallmark channel to air it." You know, drain from McCain's finite resources while spending what amounts to chump change from the Obama warchest. This probably wouldn't work, but bleeding McCain's campaign like that would be fun.


by SupremeCourt on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:21:49 PM EST
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No (1.00 / 0)

Not till after the convention, and not in any format designed by the McCain campaign.


by Hatch on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:18:09 PM EST

Much more limited (none / 0)

Remember, after Wisconsin, Clinton wanted a debate per week on Fox.  Obama understandably said "no dice."

I think that these would be great opportunities to highlight their differences, but 10 is too many, and having them weekly would, more importantly, take away about a seventh of Obama's travel and rally time.  

Meeting people in person is far more effective than seeing them on TV, in terms of creating a depth of support that Obama relies on.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:24:53 PM EST

Re: Much more limited (none / 0)

I agree with this.  Having somewhere between 3-5 would seem to be enough.

Its a different situation than with HRC though, because Obama can't say, "Look, we've already debated 20 times.  Enough is enough."  He can't look like he's ducking out of these.


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by Fuzzy Dunlop on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:28:30 PM EST
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True enough (none / 0)

And he doesn't want to shy away from them anyway, because he's a much more practiced debater than McCain is these days (thanks Hillary!).

The trick is to figure out how to do it without handicapping.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:33:01 PM EST
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Re: Much more limited (none / 0)

You know what the brilliant part of this would be, though? Obama could just insist that the debates be friendly affairs, and McCain would probably oblige. They could go and discuss issues without being terrible towards each other or feuding bitterly, knowing that the conversation would be continued shortly. And that would be great, because the Republicans, weird twisted trolls that they are, would despise McCain for being friendly.
If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:37:54 PM EST
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Slight problem (none / 0)

Unfortunately for that idea, there is no love lost between the two men.  McCain probably still hasn't forgiven Obama for pulling out of backing his 2005 Congressional ethics legislation.  Obama, a newbie, got asked to back out of it by the minority leadership.  Later, McCain (what else?) wrote Obama an angry letter about it, accusing him of being "just another politician."

If you'll recall, the Democrats ousted quite a few Republicans on an ethics platform the next year.

Any meeting between these two is going to be pretty strained no matter what.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:45:45 PM EST
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Re: McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept? (none / 0)

Something that Ben Smith noted was that none of the ideas McCain floated incorporated new technology in any way shape or form. Obama could and should go with this plan, but should come up with some ideas to actually drive home that he is a candidate of change and innovation. Perhaps adding on 2-3 online forums. Ones where some respected bloggers on both sides would try to get together and sort through questions that people submit, allowing people to submit followup questions, etc. Just having a series of meetings around the country with minimal moderation means a series of meetings where there will be one, maybe even two new questions asked every time.
If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:27:32 PM EST

Re: McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept? (none / 0)

It's hard for me to believe that McCain actually wants to stand on stage next to Obama so many times.  I know Obama had some on and off performances with Clinton in the debates, but John McCain is no Hillary Clinton.  She's infinitely more compelling intellectually, rhetorically, and aesthetically.  I gotta think that if Obama prepares properly (and I don't doubt he would) McCain's appeal would erode faster than a mudslide in this context.  So I wonder whether this is a grab for press attention, inserting McCain into a news cycle (as he tried to do last night) with the idea that something in the offer would compel a refusal.  Plouffe's response was pitch perfect here.


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by Strummerson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:27:50 PM EST

Re: McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept? (none / 0)

I think they think Obama is far less intelligent than he is. I mean, Jesus, he was an attorney and a professor. If he has time to prepare at ALL, he'll wipe the floor with McCain.
If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:31:57 PM EST
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He shouldn't accept ten (none / 0)

The problem with having a huge number of debates is that they get repetitive and tiresome, voters lose interest, and Obama, in this environment, would lose message control (this would be like watching an hour of commercials on tv).  Two or three, sure, but what McCain is trying to do here is get Obama to forfeit one of his big advantages (his ability to articulate a succinct message).  On the other hand, have my doubts McCain wouldn't finish this marathon looking like the tired old man he basically is, but still don't think Obama should agree.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:40:36 PM EST

Absolutely NOT. (none / 0)

It would give McCain a lot of free air time we don't need him to have. McCain is old, and being that campaigning is not conducive to him, we need to keep him there.


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by DiamondJay on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:47:35 PM EST

Re: McCain's Town Hall Offer: Should Obama Accept? (none / 0)

A few thoughts:

1. This is McCain's attempt to take Obama off the road, as much as possible.  The longer Obama spends in a state, the better he tends to do.  So, McCain wants to take him out of traditional campaigning to spend time at TEN SHARED EVENTS.

2. June 12th?  That's awfully soon, and I'd imagine that the next week will be a lot of GE planning, discussions with party leaders, and whatnot.  So, this strikes me as McCain demanding a meeting at a time when a.) Obama will be unprepared or b.) will have to refuse, thus allowing McCain to continue with the "why won't be debate?" stuff.

3. That aside, I still like the idea.  I don't know about TEN of them, and I certainly don't like starting in a week, but I think there is a benefit to doing these sorts of things and the democrat (small d) in me loves this sort of thing.  


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by freedom78 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:47:55 PM EST


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