Hillary Clinton Speech Thread

by Todd Beeton, Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:00 PM EST

Hillary Clinton has taken the stage to speak to her supporters in NYC.

Update [2008-6-3 21:50:2 by Todd Beeton]:Unlike other election night speeches, Clinton began tonight by speaking very graciously of Senator Obama and his supporters, yet the rhetoric of this speech sounds nothing even approaching a concession. In fact, it seems rather ordinary, as though this isn't the last speech of its kind.

Hmm, now she's turning up the heat a bit:

"I understand that a lot of people are asking what does Hillary want? I want to end the war in Iraq, I want to turn this economy around, I want healthcare for every American and...I want every person who voted for me to be respected and heard."

Update [2008-6-3 21:50:2 by Todd Beeton]:"Denver! Denver!" Josh is at the event but apparently internet keeps going in and out. It is apparently in a basement. Brilliant.

Update [2008-6-3 21:50:2 by Todd Beeton]:"Where do we go from here? This has been a long campaign and I will be making no decisions tonight."




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Urged congrats for Obama, that was good. (none / 0)

CNN's cutting to random shots of older white women.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:35:54 PM EST

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Who's the guy in the brown Hillary t-shirt?  He's often behind her during her victory speeches.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:36:14 PM EST

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That guy has been in the past three victory speeches--at least.


by DPW on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:44 PM EST
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beats me.  just asked the same Q in another thread.

Who the eff is that guy?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:59 PM EST
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Maybe a volunteer??  


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:55 PM EST
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Could be I guess, but he rates an "off the shoulder" national TV spot very frequently.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:26 PM EST
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One of her staff?  Chelsea's boyfriend?  LOL  I dunno...


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:00 PM EST
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Just one of those curiousities that ets under my skin.  I'll ponder it for days now.

;)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:38 PM EST
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How does he always get the sweet seat? He needs to share the spotlight a little.


by DPW on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:25 PM EST
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oh I KNOW this!!  I saw on the news the other day - he is the guy with the boxing gloves.

He is just a really BIG Hillary supporter.  He travels to her events as much as he can.  He is a NY'er, I believe

She even signed his boxing gloves for him :)


by colebiancardi on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:22:28 PM EST
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Cool.  Thanks.  He is clearly a huge supporter which is very cool to see.  


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:58:54 PM EST
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Is Harriett There ? n/t (none / 0)


by parahammer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:36:29 PM EST

Re: Is Harriett There ? n/t (2.00 / 0)

Dude.  Seriously.


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:11 PM EST
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Re: Is Harriett There ? n/t (none / 0)

Seriously.  Dude.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:57 PM EST
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South Dakota had the last word in the Primary season?  Um She forgot that Montana technically has the last word, since their polls are last.


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:36:43 PM EST

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Let's not expect Hillary to count a state that goes to Obama at this stage of the game. please.

that would be too unpredictable for me to stand. Obama states aren't really states at all. well, more like a state of mind then a physical state of being.


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by alex100 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:11 PM EST
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WHy the vitriol at this point in time?  We could easily state the same about your candidate and Florida.

Stop the maddness.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:50 PM EST
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vitriol?

she ignored Montana's existence. can't a little sarcasm smooth out that event?


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by alex100 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:44:08 PM EST
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Maybe she's discounting Montana results since the nomination is sealed with those few remaining delegates in South Dakota.  It would have been much on her mind, I'm guessing.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:14 PM EST
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Fair point.  


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:13 PM EST
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Exclusive! (2.00 / 1)

Tonight, all three speeches will praise Hillary Clinton.

You heard it here first.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:37:24 PM EST

Re: Exclusive! (none / 0)

Zzzzzzing!


by sierradave on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:56 PM EST
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Popular vote lie... (2.00 / 1)

...gonna make it a drinking game!


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:38:31 PM EST

I'll leave my ambulance idling out front. n/t (1.00 / 1)


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:44 PM EST
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Re: Popular vote lie... (none / 0)

So, each time she brings it up, we take a shot of something?


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:58 PM EST
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Re: Popular vote lie... (none / 0)

my liver can't take it.  I'm out.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:22 PM EST
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Oy, what is she doing (none / 0)

talking about popular vote again??


by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:00 PM EST

Re: Oy, what is she doing (none / 0)

Haha I just heard that too.  Yikes.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:46 PM EST
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I thought she would end it. (2.00 / 1)

Please god just let it end...


by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:36 PM EST
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Re: I thought she would end it. (none / 0)

Still hoping she will.  She has time yet to turn it around.

The Pop. vote and swing state stuff is gag inducing at this point.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:16 PM EST
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She needs to stop bringing (none / 0)

that up. Why would she bring it up if she planned to end it tonight? I really hoped she'd end it.


by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:03 PM EST
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Re: She needs to stop bringing (none / 0)

Me too.  The mind boggles.  I have no idea what she's doing.  Honestly, I think she's doing her supporters a disservice.  It's really over.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:49 PM EST
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Re: Oy, what is she doing (none / 0)

This ain't quite over yet, perhaps.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:55 PM EST
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Re: Oy, what is she doing (2.00 / 1)

Well that dovetails nicely with John McCain's "chosen by pundits and party elders" line.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:44 PM EST
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Re: Oy, what is she doing (none / 0)

Good point but ouch.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:01:43 PM EST
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Swing state lies... (none / 0)

...this speech is beginning to go downhill.

Count every vote schmaltz again.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:39:49 PM EST

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The first 10 minutes don't sound like a concession speech. It sounds like a victory lap, which is odd, considering the whole "Obama wins the nomination" banner on the bottom of the screen...


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:01 PM EST

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Interesting way to gun for the VP slot.  She's selling her achievements to put the pressure on Obama.  


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:41:26 PM EST
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"I got more votes than you" is an odd choice to lead into a "I want to be VP" discussion. The thanks to the Obama camp was a nice touch, and she's doing well attacking the current administration for not being there, etc.

She does sound nice, she's giving a very good speech, it's just much more "Look how well I did" than I expected.

And that "I want my 18 million voters to be heard" line hopefully will be touched on later. Otherwise it sounds like she doesn't believe Obama would listen to them.

Same with that "16 years" mention. Not a shot, just a nudge, but it's an odd time when I wasn't expecting her to nudge.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:39 PM EST
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She doesn't seem in control of the crowd. (none / 0)

Never a good thing. But otherwise, a good speech so far....

until I just heard her use "Stay the course"...


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:22 PM EST

Re: She doesn't seem in control of the crowd. (2.00 / 1)

I heard "stayED the course" ... the past tense could change the interpretation here...I hope


by Oly on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:33 PM EST
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it's like she's still running.


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:40:44 PM EST

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Your sig is almost the same as my response to a wingnut friend's declared desire to see McCain tap Thompson as his VP.

Barack Obama: Change we can believe in.

McCain/Thompson: Leadership you can Depend<sup>TM</sup> on.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:38 PM EST
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It is, rather.  But give it time, she may need a little while to let things wind down.  And she may think she's running for VP now, who knows?  It must be a feeling outside of our experience to have been giving speech after speech to enthusiastic crowds and still have lost by a narrow margin.  I think her heart is in the right place.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:23 PM EST
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You're very gracious. But frankly, I think this is in very bad taste for her to making these claims when Obama is the nominee.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:50 PM EST
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I guess I've just gotten used to 'hope.'  If all she wants is a victory lap for herself who am I to argue?  Ooops.  She just said 'No decisions tonight.'  Crikey.  Strike that.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:04 PM EST
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this is going to the convention for a nuclear meltdown isn't it?


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:00 PM EST

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Nope.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:26 PM EST
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Holy cripes, I hope not.  But, I can see it happening.  If so, then McCain will be handed the White House.  Dems do not win when there is a floor fight.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:44 PM EST
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it's going ALL THE WAY TO PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE BABY HRC IS 44!!!11!11

she might be 'taking this to the convention', but it's really more important whether or not anyone will notice her doing so. apparently SD's wont return her calls anymore :sadface:, so the next step would be the papers and TV.

it's really just sad that she stretched out the hopes of her most deluded supporters this far as to what she was going to be able to do with her campaign and how she was going to get there.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:05 PM EST
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She is losing me.  I am trying to have some respect for her and extend graces to her for a hard fight, but she is losing me.  She needs to concede.  She lost by the rules.   She needs to say "we fought hard, but Obama won and we support him fully!"  So far she is just saying that she won.  Please concede graciously and unite the party!


by rf7777 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:39 PM EST

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ANd then behind this speech, she wants the veep?

I mean, it's not like we didn't see this since NC..........


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:35 PM EST
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There's still time for a big finish wrapping this all together. I'm really hoping for it. She's earned the right to talk about her accomplishments, but hopefully she ends her speech by bringing the party together.

That Denver chant is really ominous though.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:56 PM EST
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Losing you how, pecisely? (none / 0)

A quick scan of your comments suggests she never had you to lose, so the rhetoric of her losing you seems a bit... well, dishonest.


by aggieric on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:57:02 PM EST
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Ok, I like that last little bit about the issues. It should remind her supporters that they are fighting for the ideas, not the person...


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:44 PM EST

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CONCEDE ALREADY

CONCEDE


by Monolithic on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:42:56 PM EST

I think it'll still be gracious in the end (2.00 / 1)

Her argument seems to be not to rile up bitterness over votes not being counted.  She just suggested that, now, the votes WERE counted because they fought.  I think it's more thanking her supporters for their efforts, and angling for the VP spot.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:43:36 PM EST

Re: I think it'll still be gracious in the end (none / 0)

I've been reading the opposite myself..."every vote is a prayer", "I see you" -- lots of subtle imagery.

Now the crowd is chanting "Denver!  Denver!"

...

This hasn't been particularly unifying so far...


by randomscientist on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:21 PM EST
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Re: I think it'll still be gracious in the end (none / 0)

In the end...

It wasn't conciliatory, but it was more gracious than usual.

She pretty much declared victory in Michigan and Florida--said that the votes WERE counted now, thanks to their efforts.  She gave only a single reference to the "swing states we need to win"...  And most of her points were all important Democratic policy ideals that she and Obama share.

She also made a point of adding that the campaign was "never about her"--I beg to differ, but she said it--which to me suggests she's very, very carefully preparing her supporters for an announcement that she's endorsing Obama.  Reminding them that on policy, she and Obama are two peas in a pod while McCain is a lunatic.

She needed to keep the rhetoric fresh and not seem too valedictory because she still needs some leverage with Obama when they meet privately tomorrow.  I expect that the meeting tomorrow will be followed by a joint appearance, where she will announce her endorsement of him and he will announce a few things:

1) Clinton will be part of his administration in some way, as VP or a cabinet member

  1. After careful consideration, he's adopting Clinton's proposal on healthcare
  2. Obama and Clinton will both petition the DNC to seat the MI and FL delegations at full strength rather than half strength

Obviously this is all a guess on my part, we'll see how accurate it turns out to be.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:11:44 PM EST
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Re: I think it'll still be gracious in the end (none / 0)

I totally agree on your three points.

She has always been very vocal about her UHC plan and that attracted a lot of people to her.


by colebiancardi on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:24:17 PM EST
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Jesus, people, chill.  Tonight is a good night to celebrate both candidates.  We all know what the result is.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:44:59 PM EST

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i know, you know, the americanpeople know, but does SHE know?


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:46:44 PM EST
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Yes, she does.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:54 PM EST
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she's never going to know, man.

she overshot the commander in chief threshold and landed in batshit crazy town.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:52 PM EST
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She's basically saying she deserves the VP. (2.00 / 1)

That's why she keeps repeating her "18 million will disappear" thing.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:01 PM EST

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"Because we count the votes..." She is going out GUNS BLAZING!! DAMN HILLARY'S The bomb.


by nzubechukwu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:20 PM EST

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She is tough! She is written off and still winning!


by Actright on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:17 PM EST
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i don't know, it seems too present tense


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:25 PM EST

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What do I want?

I want the people who voted for me to be respected.

Right fucking on!


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:45:40 PM EST

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Of course they're respected!

When she says that, she implies that maybe they weren't.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:54 PM EST
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She is saying that they need to be respected by having her representing them ont he ticket.  


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:55:07 PM EST
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I very much doubt if she's on the ticket.  What she did tonight makes it more unlikely than it was this morning.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:35:31 PM EST
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Because they are special and different from the rest of us who have all voted for candidates who lost and had to deal with it.

I respect Clinton voters, to be sure. I probably would have been one myself if Obama wasn't from my home state.  But being on the losing side of a close political fight isn't some special, privileged position that noone else has ever been in.


by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:33 PM EST
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If you think there hasn't been disrepsect and sexism in this campaign you haven't been paying attention.


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:00 PM EST
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If you think there hasn't been disrepsect and racism in this campaign you haven't been paying attention.


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:48 PM EST
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Cognitive dissonance.  Rational people can look at the same facts and come to different results because of their preconceived biases.

Has there been some people who are sexist, racist, idiotic during the campaign? Sure.

Has it been a relevant factor in the campaign? I haven't seen it.


by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:27 PM EST
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If you still don't see how none of Obama's direct subordinates did anything to provoke sexist reactions in the voter public, you are in more trouble than HRC's finances.

She wasted her unearned inevitability mantle. She did not run a good campaign. She lost the contest.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:08 PM EST
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I tried to follow all the conflicting negatives in that sentence, but I got lost and gave up.


by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:56:00 PM EST
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Everyone else wants your candidate to shut up.

Which other candidate would be allowed to race bait this brazenly and repeatedly in an election? Other than any Republican, that is.

We're not trolling. The media isn't engaging in some sort of conspiracy against you or your candidate. As a result of an agreed-upon contest of qualified voters your candidate will not be president.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:18 PM EST
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This is not even remotely concessionary so far. I guess she deserves one last, solid victory speech. But I'm getting nervous that she has no intentions of conceding at all. Not today, and not this month.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:46 PM EST

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I I I I I I I I
gonna be any "we"?

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:47:59 PM EST

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denver, oy


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:01 PM EST

Denver? (none / 0)

That's delusional.


by elrod on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:30 PM EST

I like the speech, but where is this GOING? (none / 0)

PLEASE TELL US! Hillary deserves respect, but she cant let this go on forever!!


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:50 PM EST

Re: I like the speech, but where is this GOING? (none / 0)

"Later this week" is what she is really saying. Edwards said the same thing.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:10 PM EST
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OH GOD IS SHE FUCKING SMILING WHILE THEY SHOUT DENVER


by Monolithic on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:53 PM EST

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"Stayed the Course?"  Poor choice of words there, huh?


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:48:57 PM EST

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where do we go?  yes finally!


Being Normal is for the Mediocre.
by Doug Tuttle on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:32 PM EST

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/facepalm


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:48 PM EST
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ugh.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:35 PM EST

No decisions tonight (none / 0)

Gets big cheers.


by elrod on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:45 PM EST

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"I will be making no decisions tonight."

VP leverage it is.

I guess that's alright.


by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:49:58 PM EST

Denver! Denver! Denver! (none / 0)

She doesn't control the crowd. She can't control her message. Its being hijacked.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:06 PM EST

no decision tonight (none / 0)


by katmandu1 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:12 PM EST

Denver bound...ugh (2.00 / 1)

"This is a long campaign and I will be making no decisions tonight."  Guess we are heading to Denver.  There goes the election....


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:21 PM EST

If she were going to Denver, she would say Denver (none / 0)

The fact she didn't tells me she will drop out later this week (my guess, Thursday)


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:26 PM EST
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Re: If she were going to Denver, she would say Den (none / 0)

I hope you are right.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:56:15 PM EST
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Re: Denver bound...ugh (none / 0)

That isn't what she is saying.  She just meant what she said.. she isn't deciding tonight.  She is thanking staff, volunteers, etc...  She knows the primary campaign is over.  


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:55 PM EST
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Re: Denver bound...ugh (none / 0)

Does she? I mean, beyond the obligatory early "everyone clap for Obama", it sounded like a victory speech.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:56 PM EST
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Re: Denver bound...ugh (2.00 / 1)

My immediate reaction to what I just heard:

by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:09 PM EST
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Re: Denver bound...ugh (none / 0)

That picture is never not funny.


by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:04:58 PM EST
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Re: Denver bound...ugh (none / 0)

Just to respond to my own comment.

Obama can't thank Hillary for her endorsement, which would've been a fantastic unifying moment.

Obama can declare victory, but then you've really got an "it's over" versus "it's not over" war going on that will make her supporters feel ignored.

Her partisans will, of course, say to fight to Denver. They're her supporters, by definition, they support her!

Like CNN's talking heads, I'm kind of confused because, even if she wasn't going to concede, you don't say "I should have won and I'm hanging around!" Especially when you had a tailor-made dagger-in-the-GOP moment with Obama in Minnesota.

Instead, he'll have a good moment and the rest of the impact waits until her eventual concession.

I'm... flabbergasted.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:07:16 PM EST
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What the hell? (none / 0)


    who the hell said she should get out after IA? Who the hell said that shit? I don't recall that.
by southernman on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:23 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

OMG.  She's fundraising.  That's it, pure and simple.  Pathetic.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:50:24 PM EST

I'd fundraise too if I were $20M in the hole. n/t (none / 0)


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:21:29 PM EST
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Not what I hoped for. Not at all... n/t (none / 0)


by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:10 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

SHE SOUNDS LIKE SHE WON! WHAT THE HELL IS HER PROBLEM?!?!


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:11 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

You have to be kidding me.

Primary challenge.


McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.
by PantsB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:16 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Honestly. Ever since South Carolina I've been hoping that somewhere some bright young (wo)man who has been doing great things in New York steps up to the plate and shucks and jives HRC out of her senate seat.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:23:49 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

UNBELIEVABLE!

SELFISH.

UNDERMINE THE NOMINEE.

TRAGICALLY SELFISH.


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:18 PM EST

Hillaryclinton.com (none / 0)

OMFG!!!!  She wants money!!

How pathetic!


by rf7777 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:19 PM EST

Re: Hillaryclinton.com (none / 0)

Well I don't have a problem with that... She is 11 mill in debt.  


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:01:01 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

I'm reminded of the story in "All the President's Men" where editor Ben Bradlee recalls a story of how he received a leak that J. Edgar Hoover was being forced out as FBI Chief.

He runs the story, then the next day Hoover's appointed for life and a press secretary passes along the message "Tell Ben Bradlee 'F#@#$ you'"

I think the lack of concession tonight is just to make the AP look bad. Which it does.


by KyleJRM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:28 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Heh.

Good catch.

I suspect that you might be correct.


by zonk on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:17 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

I wish Hillary Clinton herself could be as gracious in defeat as many of her supporters here have been. (Bobswern - whodathunkit?!?!)

She could have gone out a hero tonight, and it ain't happening. Sad. Truly sad.


Ceci n'est pas une <<snark>>
by ipsos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:45 PM EST

Sounds valedictory now (2.00 / 2)

Thanking her supporters. Will concede in a private setting and not let her supporters down in public. Will work for the Party and the country.


by elrod on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:49 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

HELP ME PAY MY DEBT THAT I AMASSED FROM MY HORRIBLE RUN CAMPAIGN


by Monolithic on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:51:58 PM EST

HELP ME PAY MY BURSON-MARSTELLER TAB! n/t (none / 0)


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:26:40 PM EST
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Wow (none / 0)

not what I expected, not by any stretch.


by zonk on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:03 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Thank you, Hillary, for wanting to hear from your supporters before you make any decision. At least someone in the Democratic party is listening.


by souvarine on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:14 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

She thanks everybody except Barack! This is a victory speech!


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by xodus1914 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:52:27 PM EST

I'm not worried... (none / 0)

...she didn't say that she's resigning but she didn't bring up the convention.  It's over.

The Denver chant and the woman who screamed, "Can't vote for Obama," worries me, but it's still early in the process.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:17 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 2)

You want to see the difference in candidates...

Sen Clinton was the "I" speech..

Obama will be "we"


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:29 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

It was ever thus.  The more things change the more they remain the same.  That's why he won and she didn't and I don't think she understands that.  Her supporters seem to want a strong, charismatic leader who they can elect and then turn their attention elsewhere, confident she is fighting for them.

Obama supporters want to be invited to join the process and continue to participate through the election and beyond.  That's the change we can believe in, 'cuz we're going to be around for it every step of the way.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:59:34 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

9 fucking 11!!!


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:53:57 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Giuliani/Clinton
Inevitability '08
by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:32:01 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

Why would anyone bring on a VP who claims she won and would undermine them just by their presence on the ticket.

Unbelievable.

The millionare bragging about taking a kids bicycle and video game money.

loser.


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:00 PM EST

This has been a pretty good speech, overall (2.00 / 1)

And chill a bit, fellow Obamans. Read between the lines, and think about what she didn't say.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:35 PM EST

Re: This has been a pretty good speech, overall (none / 0)

"Obama, receiving the necessary delegates to secure the nomination"

That's what she didn't say.

And that scares the bejesus out of me.

It was a great speech, just not a concession speech.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:57:40 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

9/11? really?


by Monolithic on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 2)

Judging from all the commentary, I am surprised that the Obama camp didn't hire Arriana Huffington to cross the sky and write 'SUrrender Hillary' in broom smoke.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:56:49 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Not exactly a 'unity' message but that was genuinely funny.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:00:49 PM EST
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Indeed. It's quite clear that (2.00 / 1)

there's little interest here in healing.  A handful of Obama supporters have been gracious.  A handful.


by aggieric on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:05:43 PM EST
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Re: Indeed. It's quite clear that (none / 0)

And can you say that about Obama himself after his speech tonight?


by Beekeeper on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:59:41 PM EST
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Re: Indeed. It's quite clear that (none / 0)

We can SEE that the Obama supporters and the pundits wanted Hillary to crawl off into exile.  When she didn't simply curl up and cave in, as they wished, they decided to hold a public verbal stoning of her.

The rhetoric here last evening was horrible considering the support of Clinton's voters will be needed in the GE.  On CNN, the pundits were simply too caught up in verbally trashing Hillary that they couldn't even acknowledge the success of Obama themselves.  THEY made sure it was not "Obama's night', but rather  'trashing Hillary' night.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:29:09 PM EST
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I'll be brief (none / 0)

She made me proud.


by bobbank on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:58:12 PM EST

Re: I'll be brief (none / 0)

effing proud.

[im in tears]


by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:00:25 PM EST
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Re: I'll be brief (none / 0)

Why?  What about that speech makes you proud?  And I ask this with all seriousness, not as Snark.  Please help me to understand.


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:08:29 PM EST
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Re: I'll be brief (none / 0)

She touched on everything that I support her on. I was proud of what she said about how she wants her supporters respected, heard, and to be seen.She was strong. She acknowledged Barack and said she admired him, and she conducted  herself with dignity.

I know you probably would have liked her to come out and said, "i concede and support Sen Obama' but she is really proud to the point where I cant even imagine her conceding. I think we all know its over, especially Hillary, but I dont expect a concession. She aint the concession type, and while you might want it, you certainly dont need it to understand its over.


by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:41:56 PM EST
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My concern (none / 0)

with this speech is that I don't think it even made the first steps towards unity.

I'm not among those that somehow "needed" a concession speech, but to use a word someone used upthread, I expected something a little more valedictory.

I suppose there's no good time or place to concede - many of her supporters are going to be pissed when she does (including at her - there was some creeping vitriol in certain quarters today when the news broke about accepting the VP spot).... but it's like a band-aid, I think tonight was probably the best night to rip it off.

Don't get me wrong - she spoke about a lot of important issues, but this is quite likely her last speech (though I assume she gets a primetime convention slot?) that's going to draw such a big audience and get the press it will get.


by zonk on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:58:34 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

This speech MANDATES that Hillary will receive the V.P nod.


by nzubechukwu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:00:11 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

MANDATE? BY UNDERMINING THE NOMINEE BY SAYING HE DIDN'T REALLY WIN?

YOU HAVE A WEIRD SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT.

SHE RAN. SHE MISCALCULATED. SHE LOST.

SHE NEEDS TO CONCEDE.

IT'S UP TO OBAMA TO INVITE HER TO BE VP.

DO YOU INVITE YOURSELF TO OTHER PEOPLES' PARTIES?

NO YOU WAIT TO BE INVITED OR YOU DON'T GO!

SHAME ON HER!


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:06:06 PM EST
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Regarding your post... (none / 0)

It would've been better if you went with bold as well as caps.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:47:42 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Actually, if it pissed off the Obama campaign enough, it could end ay chance of her getting the VP nom.


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:09:23 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Actually, if it pissed off the Obama campaign enough, it could end ay chance of her getting the VP nom.


by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:09:25 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Actually, it mandates the opposite. She isn't giving up. How could Obama allow her on the ticket? She would be a huge drag. I suspect she won't be able to keep her senate seat after this tawdry performance.


by Becky G on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:14:23 PM EST
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Haha. You win the snark award. Best in show. (none / 0)

You got 5 searing super-flame responses. That's about the best I've seen here tonight.


by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:35:25 PM EST
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calm down folks, she just wants $$ to pay (none / 0)

off debt, you can tell, right after you 'tell her' what you think it takes you to $$ page. By thrusday she is gone...


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:00:24 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

It wasn't a concession speech.  It was her first speech of the 2012 campaign.  Never too early to get started.  OMG!  Could you imagine?  A perpetual campaign.      


by Rick in Eugene on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:02:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

I have to say that if the roles were reversed I'd be saying the same thing about Obama. I'm not a Hillhater but she is screwing the party by dragging down thew nominee and placing doubt on his legitimacy. Effing bitch.


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:08:23 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

She could have worked in coordination with his campaign to concede and accept the VP if she really wanted it. Selfish.


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:09:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

$300 to hillary tonight.

I love my girl!!!

Fight on baby!!!


by nikkid on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:17:48 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

?????

$300 right to Mark Penn who is responsible for her loss. Good for you.


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:48:21 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Haven't you maxed out with your big contributions?  It's amazing that folks have $300 to throw around.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:36:56 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

I am very disappointed in Hillary tonight. If the senior Dems of the Party don't approach her and tell her to unify,  I'm going to switch from Dem to independent. And, I'm going to tell people the switch is because of Hillary.  I can still vote for Obama in the G.E. but I will ditch my Dem party affiliation because of her.  Way to unify Hillary.

His audience was way classier over hers when it came to mentioning the opponent.

She loses points and good will.  

He's a rock star, she's bitter and divisive.
I voted for her in CA, but now I'm sorry I did.  I'm  done with her.


by citizensane on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:44:03 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

I voted for her in AZ and when she turned negative I was outta there.

She had to stick a shiv in him tonight. She couldn't be gracious.

She could have worked everything through behind the scene and unified the party in one spectacular, unbelievably gracious stroke.

She chose the low road.

Sad.


by TimO on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:51:54 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

That was the most ego-centric, ungracious speech I have seen from a political figure in my 57 years. She embarrassed all good Democrats tonight.

Shame on you Hillary Clinton.


by Beekeeper on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:57:36 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

get over it. you want a concession when you dont need one.


by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:43:38 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Its not the concession, its the unification, so dumbarses that think its right to vote McCain understand what is at stake.  That she didn't explain that, is why she fails us all.    


by Sorryman on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:05:52 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (2.00 / 1)

Hillary has done herself no favors.

She has tried to diminish the actual candidate, Obama, attempted to keep divisions within the party alive, and shown herself to be a selfish, graceless and not very truthful person.

I wonder if she even realizes that this will come back to haunt her in the future as she realizes just how much many in the party are unhappy with her actions.  

Typical of her whole campaign, and one of the big reasons it was a losing one.


by mjshep on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:28:06 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Speech Thread (none / 0)

Actually, I think We're all Democrats...I haven't had a single discussion on this issue from anyone...I'd be pleasantly suport  the man who is really democratics.


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by anasky123 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 02:57:35 AM EST


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