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The Final Countdown

by Todd Beeton, Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:35:09 PM EST

Interesting to see CNN's delegate count showing Barack Obama 4 delegates away from winning. The official Barack Obama count, via press release, shows him 8 delegates away from clinching.

On a somewhat separate topic, I'm intrigued by MSNBC's inclusion of the "popular vote so far (excluding Michigan)" among its graphics tonight. The tally there is 17,428,541 for Clinton and 17,425,810 for Obama, or Clinton ahead by fewer than 3,000 votes. I'd be curious to know where they're getting this number. Real Clear Politics lists the non-Michigan popular vote as Obama with 17,389,253 and Clinton with 17,364,667, or Obama up by almost 25,000. So it would appear that MSNBC intends to inject that metric into tonight's analysis, I'm curious whether Hillary Clinton does as well. Certainly she essentially declared a popular vote victory here in Puerto Rico on Sunday but will she do the same tonight?

Update [2008-6-3 20:37:27 by Josh Orton]: At the Clinton event, the crowd is getting riled up. Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down" is playing over the PA, and supporters on the risers behind the podium are chanting to take it to Denver...

Update [2008-6-3 20:43:25 by Josh Orton]: Just now, talking to reporters at the Hillary Clinton event, New York Congressman Anthony Weiner on Clinton as VP: "If she wants it, she deserves it."

Tags: 2008 presidential election, democratic nomination, barack obama, hillary clinton (all tags)

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This used to be a Democratic blog (none / 0)

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:36:10 PM EST

Can he clinch it witht the SD results (none / 0)

or do we wait until Montana reports.

by parahammer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:37:53 PM EST

curious to know where they're getting this number (none / 0)

I've been wondering that myself. They can't have SD yet...

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:37:54 PM EST

Now McCain is on (none / 0)

from New Orleans!?

Making a blatant play for Hillary voters.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:39:48 PM EST
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It depends. (none / 0)

Certainly she essentially declared a popular vote victory here in Puerto Rico on Sunday but will she do the same tonight?

There might still be a few more nails to drive into the coffin of her (VP) candidacy.

Hopefully this is the last night I'll see PV spin pushed on the front page.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:39:14 PM EST

grace or graceless (2.00 / 1)

How can you put her on the ticket, if she refuses to acknowledge Obama.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:41:12 PM EST
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Re: grace or graceless (none / 0)

As you folks keep refusing to acknowledge McCain!

We are over 17 million strong. Kerry lost to Bush by 3 million and Bush was the guy who actually started the darn war.

by SophieL on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:53 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

ah yes.

crap. John McCain is sucking up to my mama. I dont like it.

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Yeah, But Obama is going to get the last word tonight vs McSame... And lets be honest... McCain on his best speech day can't hold a candle to Obama on his worst.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:48:22 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

I don't know where they get that number. Are they leaving out some caucuses?

by DPW on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:39:47 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Chuck Todd knows what he's doing. He's explained it on the air before, but I don't remember off the top of my head. This is amazing though:

http://www.vivachucktodd.tv/

by nwodtuhs on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:42:30 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

DUDE is anyone watching John McCain???

Praising Hillary.. saying party elders and pundits chose Obama to be his opponent.

by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:40:03 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

yes. what a kiss-ass.

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:40:29 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Funny.. so transparent. Like anyone will believe he respects women.

by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:41:22 PM EST
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He has a date with Harriett Christian (none / 0)

later tonight.

by parahammer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:42:58 PM EST
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Re: He has a date with Harriett Christian (none / 0)

Think he will call her the C-word when he gets mad?

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:49:41 PM EST
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Gawd, he's boring. (none / 0)

More Boring than Bob Dole

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:41:44 PM EST

Re: Gawd, he's boring. (2.00 / 1)

He is so boring that no one in my house can pay any attention to what he's saying. When he finishes a sentence, we look around and say, "what was that?"

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:51:10 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

McCain speaking now. Is it me, or does he sound like a voice from those old Hobbit cartoons?

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:42:48 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM EST
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Irony - McSame is killing Hillary's lead-in (none / 0)

McSame is a human-baseball-game-rain-delay.

people are tuning out in droves, and they're miss Hillary, who's up in the 9'oclock hour.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:43:12 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

The only chance McCain has of winning is by tearing Obama down. I sure hope people here fight against that and certainly don't aid him.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:44:24 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Old Man McCain can only garner tepid applause from his own campaign appearance. Some how the 72 year old conservative does not seem to offer legitimate change.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:46:00 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Some guy on MSNBC said Obama will offer Clinton the VP spot if she promises to turn it down.

by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:46:17 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Yeah, that's a double edged sword. She could say she won't accept it, then when the offer is made publicly accept it. Or should could reject it in a manner that completely disses the nominee.

If it was done right it would be good, but there are so many potential pitfalls... dunno.

by notedgeways on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:10 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

I think that LBJ said he would turn it down if offered and then he said yes.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:52:03 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

touche. you are a sneaky one, LBJ.

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:53:30 PM EST
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It was Howard Fineman (none / 0)

They also are reporting that HRC just doesn't want Obama to select another woman as VP

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:28 PM EST
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Re: It was Howard Fineman (none / 0)

Doesn't that seem obnoxious? Like no other woman should get there if she doesn't?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:52:55 PM EST
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Re: It was Howard Fineman (none / 0)

Because she thinks she is the only woman politician who can be president.

Seriously, she already 'knows' deep down inside that she's going to be the first female president. Too bad she learned nothing from the primary process, least of which being that voters decide who wins, not the DLC and big-dollar-donors.

Sebelius 2016!

by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:31:45 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

One reason why HRC might not want it is that it would force her and Bill to really open up their finances and papers, including the WH papers.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:53:51 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

I dont give MSNBC the time of day. their hate clouds their logic.

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:54:13 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

That's just stupid. If her name is not actually on the ticket, there is no one to vote for this November.

by SophieL on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:24:21 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

So... in all seriousness wtf is McCain doing giving a speech on this night? It just seems so transparantly manufactured, perhaps they couldn't stand it that our nominee is in St. Paul, the Rep convention site so they had to do something to talk smack. I guess it'll make both Clinton and Obama look like great orators though.

what a wanker.

by notedgeways on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:48:14 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Lord, McCain gives a lousy speech.

by blue jersey mom on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:34 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Obama at his best is among the best orators of the last 100 years (right up there with Bill Clinton in his prime, FDR).

HRC can be a good speaker but at times she's wooden.

McCain is petrified wood at best.

McCain = Iraq. John McCain = overturn Roe.

by PantsB on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:00:51 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

my mama says he looks like a robot. like those animtronics at Disney land.

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:51:02 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Snarky comment - McCain needs to whiten his teeth.

by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:51:59 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

It's just exasperated in contrasting with his pearly white audience.

by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:33:05 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

I can't believe he ripped off Obama's slogan. The poster says "A Leader We can Believe In." Then again, it's so different from Obama's empowering message that we make the change.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:55:07 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Damn its over!! Wow what a bleeping primary. Damn I would give my family's fortune if someone could get the video-tape of him call his wife a cunt. That would DESTROY his chances at the woman vote. Also, wait to women find out he wants to OVERTURN Roe vs. Wade.

by nzubechukwu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:57:01 PM EST

Trollopgate 08. n/t (none / 0)

by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:34:14 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

I wish they'd pan the entire crowd. I bet that a person could easily count them. It looks and sounds like about a hundred people. Nicely juxtaposed with the Xcel Center crowd tonight.

What an incredibly poor public speaker. A putz.

by reconad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:58:31 PM EST

So many lies at once... (none / 0)

...how can anyone seriously be thinking of voting for this guy? Every third word is "big gummit". And that smile...ick.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:58:38 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

Politicsmatters of course he stole Obama's slogan because he can't come up with anything on his own.

by nzubechukwu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:58:52 PM EST

Is it me... (none / 0)

...or is McCain slurring and mispronouncing a LOT of words?

by thezzyzx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:59:46 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

McCain trying to be sarcastic... falls flat.

by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:59:55 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

McCain, "and that's not change we can believe in..." S.T.F.U!!

by nzubechukwu on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:00:34 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

That stupid laugh he precedes it with is painfully contrived.

by DPW on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:03:07 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

did you hear him laughing through it?

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:03:26 PM EST
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CNN: 8:00 CST (none / 0)

Obama clinches nomination.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:00:53 PM EST

Heh... (none / 0)

McCain was just cut off to announce that Obama is the presumptive nominee. Thanks MSNBC for sparing us the rest of that speech.

by thezzyzx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:01:07 PM EST

This "McSame" stuff won't fly (none / 0)

Obama doesn't have the standing to base his GE campaign on turning McCain into Bush. He's won over the media and the blogosphere, but that won't get him elected.

Nobody else gives a shit about his 2002 antiwar speech.

by Upstate Dem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:01:38 PM EST

McCain troll here for the autoban. (none / 0)

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:04:43 PM EST
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What does Obama have to do with it? (none / 0)

McCain's own actions show he is attached at the hip to Bush and the neocon agenda. We could run a tree stump as our nominee with a rusty bucket as the VP and McCain would still be doomed candidate being dragged down by a Republican legacy of corruption and incompetence.

TreeStump/RustyBucket '08... Dem victory in November! ;)

by protothad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:22:37 PM EST
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Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

That's cutoff to announce Obama's nomination was a nice act of mercy for the viewers.

But, sounds like Clinton is poinsed to win South Dakota, unless early voting helps Obama out (which it very well could).

by DPW on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:02:03 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

its officially over

lemon716, mydd's little lemon drop;

by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:02:19 PM EST

Re: The Final Countdown (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter, I would back Hillary as vice president. Watching McCains speech makes me realize this is going to be a complete landslide for Democrats. McCains speech was just terribad.

by agpc on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:02:44 PM EST

Even National Review's corner was having problems. (none / 0)

They were panning the speech. So he pissed off the conservatives, didn't have a good shot at flipping the Clinton supporters - what exactly was he offering that they'd want? Privatized healthcare isn't exactly the most desired wish of Clinton - and bored everyone to tears.

by thezzyzx on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:12:28 PM EST

To New York Congressman Anthony Weiner (none / 0)

It is not her call to make. Why not let Senator Obama make up his own mind.

by monkeyga on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:57 PM EST

She deserves it. (none / 0)

Clinton thought she deserved the presidency when she started her campaign, and now she thinks after her repugnant race-baiting performance this primary that she deserves the veep slot?

Seriously.

by notxjack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:27:51 PM EST

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