Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Obama Now?

Senator Obama has passed the necessary threshold to win the title of (presumptive) Democratic nominee tonight. So, for the record, the guy just won my vote and support tonight, too.

Congratulations and a shout out to all of Obama's supporters and to the Senator from Illinois, himself. Let's move forward with the task at hand; let's work together and seek unity to kick some Rethug and Neocon ass in the Fall. It's time! In fact, it's urgent and way overdue.

I ask all the Clinton supporters reading this: How can you have any questions about what you're going to do now? Are you kidding me? Are you "insane?" Ask yourself these questions:

Do you want four more years of alienation and disrespect from almost every other country on the planet?
Do you want four more years in Iraq?
Do you want four more years of out-of-control healthcare costs, with more than 40 million Americans uninsured?
Do you want four more years with the U.S. being somewhere around the 30th best country on the planet when it comes to infant mortality?
Do you want four more years of challenges to Roe v. Wade?
Do you want four more years of Republican control over our Supreme Court appointees?
Do you want four more years of a Judicial Branch that's more interested in political thuggery than real justice?
Do you want four more years of virtually nonexistent gun control?
Do you want four more years of irreversible depletion of our ozone layer?
Do you want four more years of lip service--and nothing else--for substantive federal support of alternative energy initiatives?
Do you want four more years of obscene oil industry profits?
Do you want four more years of a financial services sector devoid of regulatory enforcement?
Do you want four more years of welfare for the rich?
Do you want four more years of the rich getting richer while everybody else struggles to pay the mortgage, to pay the rent and to put food on their table (if they are even able to do that now)?

My vote for the campaign slogan for the rest of the year? Paraphrasing a quote from Albert Einstein--the greatest thinker in many generations--who said it best:


"The definition of insanity: repeating the same action and expecting a different result."

If you're reading this diary, I have to ask you: Do you want four more years with a Republican in the White House? Are you insane? According to Albert Einstein, the answer is: "Yes!" Yes, you are!



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Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 1)

Take gun control out of the list and I might be fine with it.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:32:57 PM EST

Do you want four more years without (1.00 / 13)

universal healthcare if Obama is 'elected'?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:35:36 PM EST
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HUH? (2.00 / 3)


by Is This Snark on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:37:06 PM EST
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I Am SOOO Glad (2.00 / 1)

yer evil doppelganger is history!  ;)


by RNinNC on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:34:31 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 5)

You're not going to get it from McCain?

Hell, it will get WORSE under McCain, not better...


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:37:35 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 1)

Obama's plan is seriously flawed. If he wins (which I doubt) he'll need to revise it or watch it die in Congress.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:05:43 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

His plan is like one degree away from Clinton's.  Also, did you hear in his speech where he said that Clinton would be instrumental in getting us universal health care?  I think that's his olive brach to her - giving her a second chance at health care czar.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:34:47 PM EST
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Obama's health plan is RADICALLY DIFFERENT (none / 0)

than Obama's..

Read this article from 1994, the differences between then and now are really negligible. The media misinformation has been very similar too.

http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/9 4/2/clinton.asp

The talking points that Obama has been echoing on healthcare were taken from Jim Cooper, who is now one of his advisors on healthcare..

I know its unpleasant for many people to admit, but the big differentiator for many people that distinguished the Democrats was support for UHC. Obama doesn't have a viable plan.

And he has been using coercive tactics.. You can see the gloves coming off now that Hillary seems to have been almost neutralized.. (She as the Dem candidate was their big fear..)

He can't win without a viable healthcare plan.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:47:00 PM EST
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Re: Obama's health plan is RADICALLY DIFFERENT (1.50 / 2)

This architek guy needs to give it up or go join a pig right-wing blog.  THis is a progressive blog.  McCain is not progressive.  You attack Obama, you're helping McCain, hence you don't belong here.


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:17:10 AM EST
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Re: Obama's health plan is RADICALLY DIFFERENT (none / 0)

With all the information available you're going to bring up an article from 14 years ago??? Come on dude, time to go home


by Djo Dos on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:37:18 AM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 1)

Hardly. He's going to try to open up a fresh stream of tax money to flood a price rationed system without first covering everyone. That means higher prices for all. Thanks but no thanks. Inflation is bad enough as is.

Also, it will go down in flames without a mandate. You can't force the insurance industry out of business at the drop of a hat. His candidacy wasn't a fairy tale, but his healthcare plan is.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:43:10 AM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

You can't force the insurance industry out of business at the drop of a hat.

Why not?

(not to imply Obama's plan does this, but it should.  Mandates were always the worst thing about HRC's plan; they are a political poison pill that serves purpose beside than keeping the health insurance industry on ill-deserved life-support)


by leftneck on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:12:43 AM EST
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Agreed. It also... (none / 0)

...cements the idea that health care is not a basic right of a civilized community.


by thurst on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:51:09 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

Why not? Because it's pretty much illegal... If that's his policy proposal, I'd say he needs to better choose his battles.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:16:24 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

He's going to win.  If you want input, get onboard.


by GingertheDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:44:15 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, I'm not going to be cajoled or browbeat into supporting Obama...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:44:38 AM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

Obama won't need to modify anything.  You comment assumes it is the President that has the ability to write, modify and pass legislation. The President can propose legislation, but ultimately it is Congress that has the power and authority to write and modify legislation as it pleases.  Do you honestly believe if HC reform emerges from Congress Obama will veto it b/c it isn't exactly what he proposed?  Please!  Don't insult my intelligence.

If he loses (which I doubt), health care reform is dead on arrival.  Do you honestly believe Health care reform is more likely under a McCain administration?


by radical686 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:58:07 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

As for insulting your intelligence, I have |-| <- that much interest in it. Secondly, I don't suppose he'd veto any legislation adopted by a Democratic congress no matter how bad an idea it is. It may be just like George W's first years except Democratic. Maybe.

McCain's idea of health care reform, while I disagree with it, may actually lower costs for everyone by removing the tax prejudice toward getting insurance through work and emphasizing making private, personal payments. Just for an impression of what's to come: that would sound a lot better to economically moderate-minded independents than throwing billions into the marketplace without making the necessary structural changes Hillary proposed. Even so, enjoy...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:26:30 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 13)

His healthcare plan is better than Mccain's.

Mccain doesn't have any idea what he is talking about on healthcare , the man even voted against Schip.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:37:37 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 5)

Correction.  McCain doesn't have any idea what he is talking about on ANYTHING.  He's wrong on most issues, he doesn't even know his own policy on others (remember the interview on the plane where he had to tell a staffer to "look up" his previous position on an issue), and he forgets things all the time.


by ProgressiveDL on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:02:10 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 9)

Neither has a pure universal health care plan. However I will wager that Obama's plan get closer to Hillary's as we move forward.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:38:26 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 7)

Considering that it was one of their stronger points of disagreement, I believe compromise on their health care proposals will be forthcoming as the candidates and the party unite.


"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible
by BobzCat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:40:31 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 3)

He did say in one of the last debates that his plan was crafted 7 months before, and I think he admitted that Hillary's was better.  He also said that neither plan would pass as proposed.
    I'm hoping for big majorities in the House and the Senate, and a Clinton/Kennedy/Harkin/Feingold single payer universal health care plan.  In the first 90 days.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:59:33 PM EST
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Yes, single payer is actually the superior plan! (none / 0)


McCain does Not support the troops
by hope monger on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:08:48 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 3)

Neither has that!  Read the actual plans.

You may like Hillary's better than Obama's, but they are both infinitely better than McCain's.


by rf7777 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:45:41 PM EST
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McCain's Healthcare Plan (2.00 / 2)

in 3 words ...

DEAL WITH IT


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:03:41 PM EST
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Need to see a doctor? (none / 0)

YOU CAN'T DO IT, MY FRIENDS.  

[The McCain Plan]


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:54:16 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 3)

Clinton's plan is universal. Already read it and know it. I suggest you do the same before you make inaccurate statements. (Hint: "single-payer" and "universal" are not the same thing. You can have "universal" without the "single-payer" part.)


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:36:22 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

I predict a version of Hillary's health care plan gets passed as law.


by GingertheDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:45:36 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 2)

I also think Obama's health plan will be closer to Hillary's by the end of all of this.  

Honestly, both lack.  But it's going to take awhile to get to the real solution of Single Payer.


by mikeinsf on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:52:09 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

I think that's the main difference between Clinton and Obama's approaches.  Obama admits that his is an intermediate step, and that the real solution can't be done overnight.  Whereas Clinton wants to try and get there all at once.


"It's not enough to say you'll be ready from Day One - you have to be right from Day One."
by schroeder on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:37:12 PM EST
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All are current plans are flawed... (2.00 / 2)

... because they leave it mostly to private insurance companies to provide coverage.  I would prefer to see expansion of Medicaid and Medicare into a real single payer solution, maybe with the option to opt out and take your benefit as a voucher toward private insurance for those who fear 'socialism'.


by protothad on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:06:27 PM EST
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Just a heads up, but you'll recall that (none / 0)

Hillary wasn't going to reform health care until her second term anyway.


by 79blondini on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:58:19 PM EST
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Re: Just a heads up, but you'll recall that (none / 0)

Didn't Senator Schumer say that it was dead and isn't he in a position to know?

I wanted to make this a statement but I'm not sure so I'll ask.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 03:14:16 AM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 2)

What's John McCain's healthcare plan?


by JustJack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:08:42 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (2.00 / 4)

Don't get sick.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:56:50 PM EST
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Architek - (1.77 / 9)

Stop . Enough. That's it - it's time for you to hang out at RedState. They support McCain one hundred percent. Your words are better suited there. Your time is here is done.
  Thank you.
I support our nominee President Barack Obama - and the Admins can't stand me, so I can't rec or rate. This is very mean if you were to ask me.
by TheFullBerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:09:51 PM EST
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Jerome? Clean up in aisle 7!! (2.00 / 1)

Seriously, buddy, I cannot believe someone troll rated you for this.

I know we're supposed to back off and let people vent, but truly this "architek" person cannot even charitably be considered to be on our side, broadly defined.

If MyDD wants to escape its current doldrums, you're going to have to start banning the real trolls.  Please start with architek.  I think supporters from both sides would see it as a healthy start.


by McNasty on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:52:48 PM EST
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Re: Jerome? Clean up in aisle 7!! (none / 0)

LOL. Clean up in aisle seven had me cracking up.  I think the troll rate would have been okay before today - but now that we have our nominee - it's annoying to get troll rated for saying McCain support is not wanted on a Democratic site.  Thanks for trying.


I support our nominee President Barack Obama - and the Admins can't stand me, so I can't rec or rate. This is very mean if you were to ask me.
by TheFullBerry on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:14:39 PM EST
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Re: Jerome? Clean up in aisle 7!! (none / 0)

"Clean up in aisle 7" most hilarious comment I have seen in a while, especially addressed to Jerome.


by Roberta on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:50:19 PM EST
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Re: Do you want four more years without (none / 0)

Are you suffering from amnesia? or have you simply forgotten when Clinton proclaimed she would accomplish health care reform in her second, not her first, term as president.

If you are going to continue to play this nonsensical, combative role, at least play it well.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:23:49 PM EST
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we can't always expect everything. (none / 0)

I read a book about the history of the healthcare system in this country and do you know that we have (in one form or another) been fighting for universal health care for almost 100 years?  Various groups have opposed it throughout history for various reasons.  It was a miracle Medicare passed at all.

We can't expect that we will suddenly "get" universal health coverage in the next presidential term (no matter who wins).  We have to do it incrementally.  We have to slow boil this frog, not just toss it in a bubbling vat.


by DawnG on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:22:13 PM EST
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why so glum, chum? (none / 0)

Clearly Hillary's gonna be tasked with healthcare in the Obama administration - it will be her plan (hopefully with modifications that eliminate penalties for NOT signing up) that will go through, not his.


Not this time.
by jedley on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:26:13 AM EST
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Obama and gun control (2.00 / 1)

Lori,

Take a closer look at Obama on this. He is much more middle of the road. Yes he believes the government has a right to regulate guns but he also believes that the constitution guarantees a right to bear arms. I think gun control becomes a regional issue and needs regional solutions. What is right for rural communities and states that have long traditions of hunting is very different for what is right for large urban centers. I think there has to be a sensible middle between the NRA and those that think all guns be banned and I truly believe that is what Obama is looking for.


by batgirl71 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:11:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama and gun control (2.00 / 1)

I think 'gun control' is more about fighting the ludicrous lobbying by the NRA and less about actually restricting gun rights. The NRA has batshit insane stances on gun control (basically, "automatic weapons for everyone! Yes, that means children!") and Democrats have rightly fought against this. But I think that a majority of Dems want sensible gun policy, and do not want to take guns away from responsible adults.  

And I agree 110% on the distinction between rural and urban gun owners. Hell, if I lived on a farm you are damn right I would own a gun. Possibly several.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:28:06 PM EST
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Because of things said like the following: (2.00 / 1)

Roger Simon Smears Clinton posted by rodham44  
06.04.2008 - 00:48 am  
Clinton was surprisingly ungracious.

Surprising if you're Keith Olbermann and you think Clinton should get on her knees and swear obedience to Obama.

You can all read the transcript or watch the video, but for the record I WAS THERE and Hillary began her speech by praising Obama AND his supporters. I think Obama a total dick head, along with most of his supporters, but I clapped politely with everyone else. There was NO booing AT ALL.

Roger Simon is a jackass. He goes on to quote two Obama aides saying (today) that Obama doesn't need Clinton supporters.

It has been a hard-fought and sometimes bitter campaign, but Obama is not, one of his senior advisers assured me Tuesday night, going to spend a lot of time in the next few months wooing Clinton supporters whose feelings may be hurting.

"I think there are always immediate feelings of disappointment and anger," Anita Dunn said. "But in the months ahead, he must appeal not just to the constituency groups who favored her in the primaries, but those he wants in the general election, and that includes independents and Republicans."

Another Obama adviser, who asked not to be identified, said that he was not worried that Clinton supporters would stay angry.


by suzieg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 05:49:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

here's another: (2.00 / 1)

» Iphie's blog
Scenes from Hillary's rally this evening.
Submitted by Iphie on Wed, 2008-06-04 02:51.

Dem on Dem Violence Dems Who Don't Suck
If the race is over someone forgot to tell the people who stood in a line that wrapped itself around an entire Manhattan city block for 2+ hours this evening.

I was one of them. I arrived shortly before 7:00 (the tickets said 7:00), but thinking that like so many other election night events it wouldn't start anywhere near that time I was under the false impression that I would be there early. Nope. When I got there, the line already stretched around two sides of the block.

After about two hours in a very slow moving line (the Secret Service provided one of the most thorough, yet considerate, searches of my handbag that I have ever seen) we were told that the main hall was full to capacity but that we could watch it from an overflow room.

In the overflow room they had CNN projecting on a large screen (the lesser of all evils, I guess?). It was shortly after we found seats that I noticed there were some Obama supporters in the room. As we were watching some of the results come in they started cheering when Blitzer told us that Obama had enough delegates and had won the nomination. Whatever. But I should have realized that they were up to no good when they stopped cheering for Obama and one of them put on a Hillary button.

A woman in the crowd stood up and told us that if we stuck around after the speech was over, someone had told her there was the possibility that Hillary would come by when she finished up in the main hall.

So we watch the speech with occasional outbreaks of massive cheering from the crowd. Even if we weren't watching the speech in person, it was great to watch it with hundreds of other people who are equally invested in a Hillary presidency.

Most people stayed after the speech was over and a little while later staff came in and started setting up a rope line and someone tested the microphone -- I was exhausted, but I was definitely staying. At some point everyone crowded up to the rope even though Hillary had yet to be sighted. I did notice, however, that a couple of the girls who had cheered for Obama had managed to push their way right up to the front. I was standing about 4 or 5 people back. Finally both Hillary and Chelsea show up. I managed to get a few pictures -- a couple of good ones of Chelsea, but the ones of Hillary are pretty blurry.

After the initial cheers subsided a bit, the two of them started shaking hands and posing for photos. That's when the Obamabots who were standing directly in front of Hillary started chanting "Obama! Obama!" Hillary looked momentarily taken aback, but then kept going. The rest of us started chanting "Hillary! Hillary!" to try to down them out but I think most of us were taken aback as well. It's also kind of difficult to sustain shouting at the top of your lungs when there's a person standing three feet in front of you -- especially when that person is Hillary Clinton and you're shouting her name. So that died down, which is about when the group of them shouted "Concede, you liar! Concede!"

Wow. Just wow.

What would make a person stand in line for over two hours, then sit in an auditorium doing a whole lot of nothing waiting to hear a speech, then watch that speech surrounded by hundreds of cheering supporters of a candidate you are openly hostile towards, then sit around for another 45 minutes just so you can have an opportunity to hurl insults directly to a person's face? What would make someone throw away almost four hours of their lives for such a purpose? Party unity?

Not surprisingly, this seemed to be the reason that Hillary and Chelsea's visit with us was oh, so very brief. The microphone that was tested was never used, and neither of them walked the entirety of the rope line.

What is it about this man that turns his supporters into rabid little monsters?

P.U.M.A. indeed. I don't want to be in the same country with these people, much less the same party.


by suzieg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:37:55 AM EST
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Its easy, pull the lever for McCain (2.00 / 1)

There is a little black curtain around the voting booths in my state. When we step in that booth we are nonpartisan. We will think of the misogyny. The death threats leading up to the RBC rally last week. The death threats against black supers supporting Hillary. Obama's connections to anti Semitic black liberation theology, Obama trying to disenfranchise Latino voters in TX and NV.

I do not want to see Obama and his McCarthyist supporters taking control over the Democratic Party.

Obama supporters keeps telling themselves the party is unified and there is no way Hillary will be VP or have any role in the party after 2008.

The party is not unified and people will not just coalesce around Obama. Just remember 1980 and 1984.


Jon Winkleman
by Jon Winkleman on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:14:16 AM EST
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You've put... (2.00 / 13)

...it better than any Obama supporter has, and it means that much more coming from such a staunch Hillary supporter such as yourself...Kudos and virtual rec from me...Man, it's gonna be nice having you on my side...<wiping sweat from my head>


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:33:45 PM EST

Oy. (2.00 / 1)

Obama supporters have been saying this for weeks.

Evn after everything that's happened in this campaign I was perfectly willing to support Hillary.

Why are Hillary upporters having a hard time being gracious to a FELLOW progressve Democrat who is not a mean asshole in any way?

You have treated this like a general election and have lost all perspective.

I'm glad a fellow Hillary supporter was finally able to get through to you though.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:11:47 PM EST
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not a mean asshole, when his people sent (none / 0)

e-mails stating that hillary was staying in the race in case he got assassinated!


by suzieg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:52:18 AM EST
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Thank you bobswern (2.00 / 8)

rec'd


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:34:15 PM EST

Hey bob (2.00 / 7)

kudos to you, though I can't use you anymore for when people say that I don't get along with ardent Clinton supporters.

Good on you.

Let's hope that Obama takes some of Sen. Clinton's best positions like mandating health insurance for all.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:35:42 PM EST

Great moments coming in the fall? (2.00 / 13)

Hey, even the most hard core Clinton supporters....

Ask yourself?

Wouldn't you like to see Sean Hannity's face at 3 AM, when they say:

"Fox news now calls New Mexico for Barack Obama, and he now has the Electoral votes.....

Wouldn't you like to see Pat Buchannan's face when an African-American puts his hand on the bible held by John Roberts and says:

"I, Barrack Obama....."

Come on, you KNOW you want to see that!

Rec'ed BTW....


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:36:20 PM EST

Re: Great moments coming in the fall? (2.00 / 2)

Not just Hannity- Savage and Rush. And O'Reilly.
Boy, is THAT going to feel good.
by skohayes on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:57:22 PM EST
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Re: Great moments coming in the fall? (none / 0)

"The American people have just elected B. HUSSEIN Obama to be president....."


by nwodtuhs on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:59:13 PM EST
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Re: That's Right. (2.00 / 2)

Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States.


We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:03:39 PM EST
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Re: That's Right. (2.00 / 1)

Now, now, tomorrow is not promised to any of us.  Right now, the Republicans are cornered wild animals who are more dangerous than we might give them credit for.  Let's not count our platitudes before they're uttered: we've still got a hell of a summer and fall ahead of us.


by Jay R on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:34:13 PM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

He started it...


We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:20:40 PM EST
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Re: Great moments coming in the fall? (none / 0)

take your own advice and shutdown backwards, dude


Not this time.
by jedley on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:28:08 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 7)

Good on you, Bob!


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:39:53 PM EST

Ok great (1.66 / 3)

No apologize for ever having doubted all of us that have been telling you this for months ;)

Oh and denounce and reject alegre's last 12 diaries or you CAN'T join us. And can't vote for in in the fall.

jj

Thanks for being gracious.


by Is This Snark on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:40:05 PM EST

Re: Ok great (2.00 / 2)

Too soon, Is This Snark!  Too soon :)


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:16:42 PM EST
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Re: Ok great (2.00 / 1)

and you see, you are still the problem, one of many of them. It is not will I support Obama, it is that you and your ilk will always be known as trolls and jerks.


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:54:35 PM EST
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Re: Ok great (2.00 / 1)

This guy doesn't represent us.  99.9% of Obama supporters are your average friendly democrats.  I can't stop him but I can apologize for him.

Sorry.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:37:53 PM EST
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Re: Ok great (none / 0)

When Hillary won South Dakota tonight, she basically won all the states of Obama's biggest power broker supporters:

California - Pelosi
Massachusetts - Kerry & Kennedy
Nevada - Harry Reid
South Dakota - Daschle

This is why we have reservations about Obama!


by suzieg on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:10:13 AM EST
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Re: Ok great (none / 0)

Either dishonest or stupid.

I would say that firstly, Neither Pelosi or Reid were his supporters, and secondly, who cares?

That's not a big deal. If it was, you should go with Obama anyways, because he won the states where most of her Super Delegates were from anyways..


If you are not voting Obama, please let me know so I can replace your sorry ass with another new voter.
by Darknesse on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 04:53:39 PM EST
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Good diary. (2.00 / 11)

All hands on deck; it's Democrats against McCain.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:40:45 PM EST

Re: Good diary. (2.00 / 1)

since you do not act as a democrat you have no standing to make any call on democrats.


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:55:23 PM EST
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Re: Good diary. (none / 0)

Anyone who is rallying around the flag now can fight with us--now isn't the time to exclude willing supporters.


by Jay R on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:59:55 PM EST
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Today, I am DAMN PROUD to be in the trenches with (2.00 / 12)


YOU!!!

I came up with values similar to those of comrades in the military - we can fight like cats and dogs but when we get the call, IT'S GO TIME!  That's how may family is, as well.

Today, I feel like I belong to one KICK ASS FAMILY, and all I have to say is...

Look out McCain, IT'S FRIGGIN' GO TIME, BABY!!!


To kill one person is murder. To kill thousands is foreign policy." - Chinese writer Moh-Tze
by ILean Left on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:44:31 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 7)

Thank you bobswern.
Looking at your list of questions...I can't imagine anyone voting for McCain (even Republicans!).

For that matter, I can't imagine anyone who has lived in this country for the past 8 years NOT voting for the Democrat (even Republicans!).

As I've said in other diaries this evening....
We are soooo gonna kick McCain's ass in November!

Good on ya!


by Kysen on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:45:42 PM EST

Much Love. (2.00 / 7)

To you and people like you, who see what is at stake.  Thanks.


by Mardarkin on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:46:22 PM EST

Re: Much Love. (2.00 / 1)

to bad so few alleged BHO supporters have never been able to see that.


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:56:15 PM EST
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Re: Much Love. (none / 0)

ever not never


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:35:27 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 7)

Class act.  Thanks and welcome.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:47:33 PM EST

Obama or four more years (2.00 / 9)

...of torture and endless  imprisonment without trial, all done in our name as Americans.


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:48:15 PM EST

Correction. (1.50 / 4)

Obama has passed nothing until the superdelegates actually vote at the convention, and a LOT could change between now and then.

I'll continue supporting Hillary until we actually have a nominee.


by leisure on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:49:31 PM EST

Go have a margarita or something,,,, (none / 0)

...and chill out.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:14:56 PM EST
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Go have a margarita or something,,,, (none / 0)

...and chill out.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:15:07 PM EST
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Correction: (none / 0)

DemConWatch has Obama's delegate total at 2161 right now. Lanny Davis,of all people, says Obama has won.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:26:25 AM EST
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I won't vote against Obama.... (1.11 / 9)

I won't vote. I'm sorry, but Obama has way too many secrets for me. I keep finding out stuff. The more I learn, the more concerned I get.


by soyousay on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:50:14 PM EST

Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (2.00 / 2)

Troll rating me won't change anything.


by soyousay on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:12:22 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (1.40 / 5)

What?  Seeing that little "1" by your comment doesn't make you anymore rational?

Damn, I thought we had something.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:19:19 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (2.00 / 1)

I have no problem you voting Obama. Good for you. Freedom is great isn't it?


by soyousay on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:27:31 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (2.00 / 1)

Yes, yes it is :)


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:50:36 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (2.00 / 1)

Great...there is something we can agree on.


by soyousay on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 09:01:45 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (none / 0)

I won't vote.

Many Amercans have died for your right to vote. I am sad that you are going to dishonor their sacrifice out of petty spite.

I'd much rather you voted for John McCain than not vote at all.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:18:16 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (none / 0)

Many have died for freedom. You should respect my rights and not try to put a guilt trip on me. BTW, would you rather me vote McCain than not vote at all?


by soyousay on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:23:23 PM EST
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Yes. (none / 0)

Please vote for McCain. It would convince me your bullshit claim that you are worried about Obama is legitimate and not a petty excuse to justify your narcissim.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:09:07 AM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (none / 0)

I will first grant your first notion just for argument:  Obama has got some mean skeletons in the closet.

Now, why is this a deal breaker?

There have been many great world leaders with great policies, great strategy who did bad things.  Bill Clinton and JFK had affairs while in office and they were both amazing Presidents and did great things for our country.  


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 10:44:13 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (none / 0)

While I obviously disagree: okay fine dangerous skeletons.

Question still stands with new type of skeleton.


McCain = bad Obama = good
by CAchemist on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:40:37 PM EST
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Re: I won't vote against Obama.... (none / 0)

Ha!!  Obama has too many secrets??  Let's not even go there.

HRC did a fine job of vetting him.

I guess you'd rather see McCain as President.

Buh bye!


by GingertheDem on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 11:52:51 PM EST
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Thanks Bob (2.00 / 6)

Family fights can get ugly but both sides have nothing to gain by not reconciling.

At the end of the day, I think we're all going to realize we're on the same team.

I apologize if any of my remarks during the primary battle caused anyone discomfort.


by emptythreatsfarm on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:51:28 PM EST

Some of us aren't on the same team (none / 0)

I think there are trolls here. I think they will be easier to spot, now. But I think you're right, in that those of us who actually are on the same team will realize it now and move forward. And I'll follow your lead and apologize to anyone to whom I've been rude in the past couple of months. I get carried away. :)


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:32:50 AM EST
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natural troll extinction rates (none / 0)

Hopefully, a few of the prolific ones (it would be rude to name them, but they frequent No Quarter) will lose interest and fade into the woodwork.


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:09:10 AM EST
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Hear! Hear! (2.00 / 6)

Phanton mojo and rec for this!  

Regardless of the [perceived] ick from both sides of the Democratic primary, we have to remember who and what is worse than it all:  McCain and a third Bush term.


by rf7777 on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:53:19 PM EST

Re: (2.00 / 11)

Well done.  I feel personally humbled by the magnanimity of many of the Clinton supporters on this site, including bobswern, lori, canadian gal, angry mouse, sevenstrings, and others... mostly because - although I'd like to think otherwise - I'm not sure I would've been as magnanimous were the situation reversed.  Good on you for teaching me a bit about what it means to be a real progressive and truly committed to the cause.  The ideas we, Obama, and Clinton fight for are bigger than any of us.


by XoFalconXo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:53:22 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (1.85 / 7)

Bobswern -- I have to admit that I thought you were one of the dead-enders, with your constant referring to how the delegates don't vote until the convention.  Good on ya!

Diaries like this get me so fucking pumped to destroy the Republicans in November!  This is our time!


John McCain the flip-flopper...
by chinapaulo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:54:29 PM EST

I'm interested in theories (none / 0)

about why trytobereal troll-rated this. I would be especially interested in trytobereal's theory.


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. -Voltaire
by kydoc2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:37:58 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 6)

Wow--coming from you this means alot. Thanks for this awesome diary.


by wasder on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:57:16 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 6)

Just wanted to say thanks, bobswern, for perfectly articulating why we can't afford a McCain presidency.  Great diary!


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:58:55 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters (2.00 / 6)

Great diary, Bob.
Now, let's go kick some republican ass.
by skohayes on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 07:59:25 PM EST

Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Obama (2.00 / 6)

Well said! Good, positive diary! rec'd


by BlueOrigin on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:00:58 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not (1.33 / 3)

I am relieved of the dilemma altogether.  My state will safely go Democratic, so I can without quandary not vote for Obama just because I really, really don't like him.

When I lived in California I didn't vote for Bill Clinton (the second time) because it didn't matter whether I did or not since no way was Calif. going to Bob Dole.

I will direct some time and energy toward our senatorial race here in Oregon, however.

For voters living in decidedly red or decidedly blue states, there is a greater latitude in not having to hold one's nose and cast a too-compromised vote.

Swing state voters, I understand that's a more complicated issue.


by Susan in Oregon on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:01:17 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not (1.00 / 1)

I am not going to vote for him either. I am indifferent to Obama. I really don't like the democratic party right now.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:09:45 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not (none / 0)

Fewer decidedly red states than there were in 2004 :)


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:20:39 PM EST
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Re: Waiting to Hear - - (2.00 / 1)

Obama say how gracious it was for Clinton to offer to be his vice-president.

Do you know how fast the nomination campaign will come to a close with a decision to have an Obama/Clinton ticket?

If Obama cannot see the political opportunity at this juncture,
he never will.

It very well may be a make-or-break moment.


by johnnygunn on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:05:43 PM EST

Re: Waiting to Hear - - (2.00 / 1)

the nomination campaign has already come to a close.


by JustJack on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:14:30 PM EST
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"Are you "insane?" " (none / 0)

I guess he did earn your support today.

...but, what, did his policy or himself change all of the sudden?  Right.  Well, that's how.


by LindaSFNM on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:05:45 PM EST

Amen (2.00 / 6)

Bob is one of the more hardcore HRC supporters around here. I never expected this type of support for Obama so soon.

Let's get on with it and beat McCain!


by elrod on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:07:06 PM EST

My faith in Bob is redeemed. (2.00 / 4)

I feel slightly less cynical right now.  :)  Or maybe it's just acid reflux.  Probably acid reflux.


by Dumbo on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:08:02 PM EST

Good diary. (2.00 / 7)

Another reason to oppose John McCain.  Here is John McCain endorsing the amendment banning gay marriage in Arizon:

Defeat John McCain, the man who hates poor people and admires Bush's foreign policy!


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:11:01 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters: How Can We Not Support Oba (2.00 / 6)

Fantastic Diary.  While there will be the disaffected, I'm so encouraged at even these first signs of Unity.  It appears we will be on Track to destroy the Republicans in November, and turn a new page in this country.

My hope is that all of those currently uncomfortable with Obama as president will keep up the pressure on his administration for those positions they feel strongly about.  It's important that we all fight for what we believe in.  Of course here I'm talking about Policy, not ridiculous smears.

The Obama campaign wants to listen, so it's up to us to shout out our dreams.

Rec'd.


by Particle Noun on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:11:54 PM EST

Well done, Bob. (2.00 / 3)

So I suppose, technically, we're all Obama supporters now. Strange feeling. I guess it's not official until she concedes.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:13:12 PM EST

You'll find out in November that we are not all (1.00 / 1)

Obama supporters. Not by a long-shot. There is going to be massive defections in the fall. You can count on it.


by mmorang on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:25:00 PM EST
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Ugh. Classy. n/t (2.00 / 4)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:28:37 PM EST
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You want classy? (none / 0)

Classy is having your people send out emails to all the reporters saying how divisive Clinton's comments were about primaries lasting until June. At the same time Obama is saying he takes her at her word. He was already annointed king, so why continue to trash her? Party unity I guess.

Or how about circulating a memo to all of the Obama staff with examples of things said by the Clinton team and how they can spin it into a racists comment.

Bill Clinton didn't say anything remotely racists, but Obama and company spun it that way... I guess to heal the racial divide.

Yes, Obama is all class and more.


by mmorang on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
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Re: You want classy? (2.00 / 2)

You know what's really classy?

President John McCain and 100 years in Iraq. Making America the object of the world's hatred. Not caring about veterans. Not caring about torture. Overturning Roe v. Wade. Continued support of policies like Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

That's real classy.


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