by Van Goghs Ear, Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:31:55 PM EST
Tags: BO, HRC, vote (all tags)
But I think the VP will be someone who was against invading Iraq in 2002.
Or someone who has apologized absolutely and firmly for voting the wrong way on the AUMF, and has worked hard to correct his/her error ever since.
We've got so many good men and women in the Senate who opposed AUMF at the time. We don't need to settle.
... who are serving as governors, or who aren't currently serving, but voted the right way in 2002, and paid an unfair price for it.
You're right, we don't need to settle.
Kind of a silly question to ask on a DEMOCRATIC site.
Only truelly petty people would have to stop and think about this.
Oh and my answer is OF COURSE!
We gonna mop the marble floors of the whitehouse with the GOP, so squeaky that Mr Cleen will want to sponsor the Denver convention.
"No, I would have voted Obama, but won't with HRC anywhere near the ticket."
No, because if I had seen that, I would have answered it, smartass that I am.
Of course. But I don't think she'll be his VP.
if she is on the ticket , it would definitely have a strong impact on my decision.
still not a sure thing though.
i would like to see how the general election plays out.
presumably you support hillary and all democrats b/c you agree with their platform on a number of issues and disagree w/the repub's.
why would you not vote democrat?
I like the 3 remaining candidates and agree with the 3 of them on some issues and disagree with them others.
I would prefer to wait and see how the election plays out.
Please sign up tomorrow morning with the Republican registrar because you are clearly no democrat -- there are only two remaining candidates and a Democrat does not consider a Republican. You and your buddies have no idea what a small fringe group you are and how little you will be missed.
Maybe because I am Irish , I like to do my own thinking and evaluation , I have never been the type that falls in line without my own self analysis.
I don't believe thats what a rational human being should do.
I was interested in what people think. That's all. Wanted to generate some discussion on what seems to be a big choice for some people.
Oh god you are the WORST lori.
How the general election turns out?
Is that what you are asking?
Is your goal just to keep the fighting going?
What you just said unequivocally is that you would EXAMINE the differences between the Obama/Clinton ticket vs the McCain/Lieberman ticket?
Who the F are you?
Why are you here?
- Thats exactly what I do when I am casting my vote for President.
Incidentally those two tickets would be intriguing in my opinion.
I don't mean to clutter up this thread, but I believe I once asked you to explain what "success" in Iraq would look like, since I gather you actually like McCain's neoconservative foreign policy views better than either of our candidates. If you ever get a chance, I'd love to read your thoughts on that matter. It would be helpful if you could spell out how we solve what is fundamentally a political and religious dispute through the use of our military. Significantly, Senator McCain has never actually answered this question. He prefers talking in platitudes and generalities.
I believe we are on the right course of action now .
When was the last time you heard anyone say Iraq is in a civil war ?
Clearly there is progress going on in there and I would like to see it to a responsible and honorable end that would not further jeopardize our national security .
I don't believe John Mccain's position of wanting a responsible end to Iraq is Neo Con in any sense .
However everyone has his/her own opinion.
Issues of fiscal responsibility , balanced budgets , common sense spending , 2nd amendments , military service , patriotism and pride in one's country are all issues I evaluate as well.
And on the other side we have the pro choice issue , the tax cuts for the middle class ,health care , women/minority rights etc that I agree with.
Adding Clinton as VP would almost be a clincher but I still prefer to see where the GE goes.
Well, thanks for your response. Obviously, we view Iraq very differently, as does Senator Clinton I might add, but fair enough.
On all the domestic issues you cited in McCain's favor, I think it's at least worth remembering that during the course of this campaign he's actually thrown most of his more responsible positions under the bus. For example, he originally opposed Bush's tax cuts both because they were unfair and because they weren't offset by spending cuts. Now, he supports them irrespective of whether that means the budget isn't balanced. Hardly a fiscally responsible move. Similarly, his responsible spending mantra never includes ANY specifics, although he does support Bush's efforts to privatize social security. Perhaps you support that too, but for most of us that's sort of a big deal and not a plus for Senator McCain.
I'm not sure what you mean about the patriotism/pride stuff, unless that's your subtle way of saying Senator Obama is somehow lacking in those areas. I sincerely hope that's not your implication, because I think those smears are simply disgusting. As Senator Obama often says, he wouldn't be where he is if America wasn't the great country on earth. He has literally lived the American dream, as has his wife, neither of whom come from privileged back grounds, but both of whom have achieved amazing success.
I didn't cite any issues in anyone's favor.
I cited issues I find relevant in deciding my vote .
Clinton emphasizes a lot of those issues I listed above and she is a democrat .
Those are just issues that are important to my vote.
by the way if you come to dixie you would probably run into many long term democrats that value the issues i listed
I value them, and I'm not from dixie. I just don't understand how any of them militate in favor of Senator McCain. If that wasn't your implication, then fine, but if that's the case I really don't understand what you find appealing about him. That's all.
Lori, my friend, is not anywhere NEAR the worst.....
Where have YOU been?
Let's pull together, and stop the bickering....
I'm with Lori on this one.
Being a Democrat does not necessarily mean that you vote for every Democrat. I know that a lot of people on this site hate Clinton, and don't like the way that her campaign has been conducted.
There are a lot of us that have reciprocal feelings about Obama. His campaign has turned a lot of us off. The "bitter" voters controversy and the smear of Ferraro were very tough things for me to watch, in particular.
If Clinton is on the ticket, I will probably vote for the ticket. If she is not, I might vote for the ticket. Or I might write in Hillary as my choice for President.
A presidential vote can be an emotional decision. It doesn't make me or Lori to pause and consider what we want to do next. I know that a lot of you will say it does in fact make me a bad Democrat. We disagree.
Remember that ad over a year ago that some renegade Obama consultant produced that had Clinton speaking on a screen while robots watched. The "1984" web ad? We were not mindless machines for Clinton then, nor are we mindless machines for Obama now.
Anyone who would vote for McCain is my enemy.
A democrat who votes for McCain is 10x worse.
McCain is a threat to our countrie's economy and national security.
You vote for more death and less money.
Real classy.
I think that if you'll read my post rather than reflexively hitting reply and attacking me, you will see that mccain is not among my options that i listed.
i find your "enemy" rhetoric really cuddly, though. Thanks.
Id vote for Obama anyways, but it would be nice to see some kind of healing between HRC and him. maybe like a symbolic offering of VP and her symbolically turning it down. that way everybody wins.
It's these people...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/political_commentary/commentary_b y_froma_harrop/white_women_take_the_glov es_off
and these people (get your barf bags ready folks!)
I WILL VOTE FOR THE NOMINEE NO MATTER WHO IT IS. I AM A DEMOCRAT AND EVEN THOUGH I SUPPORTED OBAMA I WOULD HAVE WORKED MY BUTT OFF FOR HILLARY. STOP TRYING TO DESTROY THE PARTY. THESE FAKE REPUBLICANS ON HERE ARE TRYING TO DIVIDE US.
with your comment is that these are not "fake" republicans -- they are real. This diary is designed to feel out dissent -- you'd think with all their practice, Republicans could find better trolls.
You're a stupid ass. You have no idea who I am and what I stand for, so don't assume anything.
My only disagreement is with people who think everyone should fall in line and follow others without thinking for themselves. Which is exactly what you're doing by trying to belittle me and my asking a simple question.
but I'm just voting out of petty self-interest --- I don't want to be a 30 year old drafted into McCain's army for wars against Iran, Syria, etc. etc.
how amazing is it that we're nominating a black man, and we're talking seriously about adding a female to the ticket?
This is fucking awesome, I love the Democratic Party!
For example, I voted for Al Gore, not Joe Lieberman. I thought it was an inadvisable choice, but once made, I lived with it.
Putting Hillary on the ticket is a smart move. Not what Hillary's supporters want, but perhaps enough to get them to support a Dem ticket.
...is necessary to earn their votes, they were never Democrats to begin with.
I'm an Obama supporter, but had this thing gone the other way, I'd have had no problem voting for Senator Clinton. That anyone who calls themselves a Democrat cannot say the same with the situations reversed is a bafflement to me.
That sounds like the Obama supporters referring to the "new" Dem party and the "old" Dem Party. That's not Unity. That's also a losing Dem GE. Grow up!
You must have been really baffled when you saw the recent travesty exposed in Obama's church--oh, my error "former church".
Huh?
Thye people cheering the ridicule against Hillary would NEVER have voted for her if she were the nominee. It's very obvious, isn't it.
Do those "cheering" people you refer to speak for all people who share the same demograpghic? Please answer NO, otherwise, it is a sad world we live in.
It certainly would encompass a high %.
I will ONLY vote for Obama if Hillary is on the ticket. If not, I will be stubborn and write Hillary's name in November (while voting for Dems in all other fields).
Hillary. Other than that I won't support him.
You left out: I will have to give it very serious consideration as putting HRC on the ticket is very possibly a deal breaker and will lose in the GE.
(in other words, putting HRC on the ticket could be politically damaging for Barack)
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