You know what to do... ;-)

PUMA ?

Isn't there a company making shoes using that name .

I assume there would be copyright issues ?

lol

Rendell doesn't get it.

It's kind of hard to get folks to support this position when he and others have dismissed and trivialized their grievances.

Worrying about the PUMA folks will only cause us misery in the long run. Tactics like these show who we are actually dealing with in the real world.

Police on Sunday were investigating vandals' spray-painting of dozens of city vehicles here, some with disparaging messages about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

Authorities think the vandalism to about 60 vehicles, estimated at $10,000 in damage, was done Saturday afternoon, police spokeswoman Sgt. Barbara Jones said.

The vehicles were parked across from City Hall and investigators said culprits tagged messages including "Obama smokes crack" and a racial epithet.

They even left business cards on the vehicles that disparage both the Illinois senator and his rival, Republican John McCain. The cards voice support for Sen. Hillary Clinton, Obama's former opponent.

Despite what those people would like to believe that I think, I don't think you negotiate with terrorists or give them credibility. Ignoring them makes them angrier, making them angrier only ensures that they won't be listened to.

And what is gained from the fighting? Nothing. Just like those tactics above, it might make their voices heard, but it doesn't do anything good for anyone.

I support the Democratic Party, enough said.

I'm not a PUMA, not a HOUND, just a woman Dem who supports the party and doesn't take crap from anyone, Dem or GOP. If you want my support, earn it.

The Obama that ran a campaign in the primaries is now the Clinton that was defeated.  It needs to be said that I still don't konw who Obama is.

Actually my kat wants to be a hound. Can you beat that?

Good job!

Progressive Blue

Just to remind you who we're dealing with:

As Obama tried to curry favor with Hillary, looking over at her sensible, sturdy shoes and marveling, "I still don't know how she does it in heels," Carmella tore up a tissue and stuffed it in her ears.

When Obama pandered with a line about how he wouldn't "perpetuate a system in which women are paid less for the same work as men," she put her hands over her tissue-stuffed ears.

I like Ed Rendell a lot and thinks he's an enormously charismatic figure.  It's great to have him as the face of HOUND.  Two requests, though:

1) I know there would be concerns about empowering the PUMAs, but Rendell should appear on cable news with one of their leaders like Will Bower.  It would sure to be a bloodbath and the YouTube video would be guaranteed to go viral.

2) The signup page for HOUND says: "Show the nation that Pennsylvania Democrats are joining Governor Rendell and Senator Clinton in supporting the next President of the United States, Barack Obama." No offense to Rendell or the fine folks of PA, but it should be a national effort.

Related to HOUND, isn't it about time someone set up a portal similar to justsaynodeal.com providing links to pro-Obama Dem blogs?  It would absolutely dwarf their listings and the quality/readership of the blogs would be overwhelming by comparison (Kos, Atrios, FDL, etc., etc.).  The psychological impact alone would be devastating.

No one is truly worried about the PUMA jokes.  Except for perhaps their loved ones who are trying so hard to let them know that the cross is getting crowded and other 'saviors' want their leg room back, thanks.  Seriously?  I'm done with being kind or welcoming or whatever.  It's a fucking election.  You either vote your values or you don't.   Pick a direction, go it.   Vote for McSame or not.  Whatever.  I'm not crying a river over people too dumb to see the forest for the trees.  

Bye. Seriously.

You can keep on living in your little soap opera because the rest of us have bigger fish to fry.

Frankly, I don't care what Hillary would do. Furthermore,  I don't give a fig about Ed Rendell's opinion, particularly since he was one of the first Democrats to urge Al Gore to concede in 2000.

I am going to do what I am going to do because that is what seems right to me:  I will vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

Meanwhile, I am absolutely outraged at the DNC and their undemocratic primary system, their arrogant dickering with votes at the RBC meeting, their silence in face of blatant sexism voiced by the media and some party leaders.   I am so outraged that I have left the party after a lifetime of slavish activism and registered as "Decline to State."  

I am not a PUMA in the sense that I am going to vote for McCain, but I understand the fierceness of the anger that is being expressed.  It is the anger that comes from being dismissed, from being patronized, from being trivialized.  It isn't going to go away anytime soon, especially when Hillary supporters continue to be told to shut up and stand down.  Hostility on the leftie blogs only exacerbates the problem.

I'm not used to receiving a civil reply from Obama partisans.  A little more listening and a little more validating would be a big help.  May you become a model for others.

As a woman I am angry at the fact that I realize how much less progressive the party is when it comes to my status. I'm also not dumb enough to think that supporting a party that would only support policies to both hurt me as a woman and, gender aside, as an American, would be moronic. I'll say it again. I didn't support Hillary Clinton for her gender; I supported her for her qualifications. I also don't like Obama very much & am not optimistic about his chances or what he would do if in office. However, I know that as an American my best shot is by voting Democrat.  

I am very upset by many things I saw during this primary, including what I realized when it came to my gender's status in this country.  But I'm not a one issue voter and I also don't vote in a manner that would cut my nose off to spite my face.

Well said atdleft. Thank you for the diary.

PUMA is an idea. It has no actual, non-blog comment, existence outside of a clutch of crazies with a logically incoherent creed wearing garish t-shirts that violate copyright laws while they watch TV.

That is the extent of their involvement in the actual political process at this point. They rage against Obama online (and occasionally at small gatherings) and order paraphenalia.

Actually, that pronoun is wrong, there is no "they." There are only seperate people all imagining that there is a they, and that they belong to this they. And this make-believe movement gives them a self-bloating sense of historic purpose, and -- to the non-PUMA -- a tragic patheticism.

In short, if anti-PUMA people want to try to contort reality so as to ascribe physical substance to these sad has-been daydreams of rebellion and struggle, fine. But please don't forget that bothering with PUMA is just shadowboxing.

Supposedly voting for McCain is a way to 'punish' the Democratic party for having a faulty primary system and choosing the 'wrong' candidate.  They claim it is all for the good the party (and by extension the country).

But have they really contemplated the consequences of having McCain in office the next four years?  We are likely heading into the hardest, longest economic downturn this country has seen since the great depression.  This crash has been brought on by a Republican policy of reckless deregulation, military over-extension, and massive deficit spending even while we give tax breaks to the most wealthy.  McCain has promised to continue those policies.

Whatever one thinks of Obama, you can be certain he will work with a Democratic congress to ease the burden on the middle class and working people.  His economic platform is standard Democratic boilerplate in that regard.  McCain's platform is standard conservative supply-side trickle down voodoo that could turn a hard recession into an outright 1930's style depression.

Now is not the time to vote for the guy who admits he is weak on economics and surrounds himself with neocon advisors.  I'm thinking a vote for the guy that Nobel prize winning economists endorse might be the better idea.

Just a thought.

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comme nts/pumas_are_swiftboats_darragh_murphy/

Hillary has too much strength of character to be "forced" to support anyone if she chooses not to.  She knows McCain is more Bush and we can't afford that route, so she supports the best remaining candidate.  I believe her.

Ok, I'll say this as briefly, as calmly, as politely, and clearly as I possibly can as the original blog posts requests.

I can't/won't respond to all the pathetic (imo) comments above.  What I will say is you people have no clue,  NO CLUE - seriously, NO CLUE what is going on with our rage.

Have you ever worked your ass off, I mean until your feet blister and you go home and sit and cry because of the pain your feet and back are in on a regular basis - only to be groped and sexually harassed at work, to politely go to management and complain about it, and to get fired at the end of the day because of your complaint?  

Have any of you ever experienced that?

Have any of you (females) worked your ass off at a job, succeeding, and being sent to help a fellow employee who was hired at the same time and level as you, to help that person (a male) because they just weren't grasping the job and accomplishing anything as skillfully and quickly as you, only to find out later he is being paid about 17% more than you because afterall, he's a man with a family, when you being a single parent struggling to make ends meet was never taken into consideration?

Have any of you ever experienced that?

Have any of you ever been fired because you refused to wear shorter skirts and higher high heels, and  wouldn't kowtow to the misogynist behavior of your male counterparts?

Have any of you ever experienced that?

Do you seriously think that doesn't go on in every day life everywhere back when we struggled in the 70's and those who go thru it now?  Do you seriously not know this goes on today?

I sat one day watching CNN and saw with my own eyes, heard with my own ears Donna Brazile saying they (the DNC) don't need us anymore.  She said it clearly and blatantly, and it wasn't word of mouth, I heard it with my own ears and saw her lips move.

I've sat and watched the endless sneering at the mere name of Hillary Clinton from anyone at any hour on MSNBC.  'She reminds us all of our ex wives in Divorce Court'.  'She only got elected because of her husband's blow job'. 'She cried on cue'.  'The polls were wrong and Hillary won NH because people were secretly racist'.   These old women who support Hillary and are mad about Obama are racists'.  

and on and on and on and on....

We watched the DNC intentionally stop and block the Clinton campaign, we saw them intentionally from the beginning set this up so the Chosen One, the New Messiah could take over the party.  His utter and dangerous lack of credentials doesn't matter for some reason.

This employment of president of the most powerful nation in the world is being treated as so petty, that a hamburger flipper could do it.

So alas, we get the empty suit who can preach "hope" and "change" really swell to the masses and makes a "shiver go up your leg".  No qualified participants need apply-  especially if they are a woman, and especially if they are that "bitch" Hillary Clinton, the "_unt".

http://politicaldiscontent.blogspot.com/ 2008/06/this-is-salon-respected-website- for.html

I'm sorry you don't all get it. I'm sorry we can't make you see what a travesty this whole debacle of a campaign season is. I'm sorry you young women will "get it" way too late.  I'm sorry you aren't fervently outraged at the bias media block that is not doing their job.  I'm sorry you have allowed yourselves to be lowered to the level of bush- sheep,  following someone who makes you tingle over "hope" and can't smack yourself (hard) in the face and wake the fk up and see what is really there.

I'm sorry you don't get it. But that isn't going to stop us from loving our country first and foremost, no matter the tactics the obamabots take to shut us down and shut us up- and they've taken on many tactics that many of you may not be aware of.

I'm a proud liberal independent.  I've voted both sides of the aisle my whole life.   My flag is respected with the admiration it is due.  I know to never wear my beloved flag, to never let it touch the ground, to never let it fly at night without a spot light, to never let it fly when frayed and torn, to never let it fly and touch a building, to never throw it in the garbage but to destroy it properly by burning it, and to fold it properly and store it properly.  

I admittedly have teared up, choked up at seeing my flag fly, especially when my national anthem is played like at a ball game or some event.  I do get a quiver up my body of love and pride for my country.  We were raised like that back in the day.

I do understand that some of you probably just don't get that.

But it's true, that happens to many a middle aged lover of country.  

One thing I know for sure, as sure as I know my shoe size, and that's that Barack Obama, and Michelle Obama have never a day in their lives cried, choked, up or teared up at the site of their American flag.  I'm so sure of that I'd stake the life of a loved one on it.. I'm that sure of this fact.

These are people out for power- if you read up on them, really read up on them, you'd see the proof.  It's all about black power (by a half black man), and power in general.

I'm sorry you don't have enough insight to find something really disturbing about a man who writes his own "memoirs" at the minuscule age of 34.  I'm sorry you don't get that.

We went through this with bush sheep-

http://politicaldiscontent.blogspot.com/ 2008/02/this-isnt-presidential-campaign- this.html

.... and are reliving a nightmare of the American voter's blind faith, blind vote based on feeling.

No Obama, not now, not ever.  We won't support him, we won't vote for him.  We don't really give a damn who his VP is.  

We've been spit on, and thrown in the trash.  As I mentioned I'm an independent so I can't imagine the deep feeling of betrayal by life long Dems who have fully supported their party no matter what.

There's one other thing I'll mention that I heard Donna Brazile say one day.  She commented that it's not about Obama, it's not about Hillary, it's not about Obama's supporters, and it's not about Hillary's supporters, "it's about the party, about the Democratic franchise".  

Do you get it?  the DNC is no different that the RNC.  They don't give a damn about you and me- they care about the success and growth of their organization. period.  It's not about this country nor it's people, it's about corporate (in this case a massive organization) to gain growth and power.  

Themz the facts peeps.  Time for everyone to look out for themselves.

This is (sadly) why we've had to witness the deplorable treatment of Hillary this entire campaign season only to see her suck it up and campaign for and back Obama.. it's about the DNC, and nothing more.

Ok so that wasn't very short, but I've spoken my peace -