Nice Spot to Eat After Golf, but Gov. Janet Napolitano ( Obama supporter) is Barred

I apologize deeply for my 3rd diary today; I try to be diligent about waiting till after midnight. But I'm a mama's boy, I deeply deeply respect my mother and women.

My mother was a late bloomer in the “work field”, we come from a fairly wealthy family. But after she put us through school ( home maker), she started her 1st job at almost 47. She put into it the same heart and diligence as she did into us and finally left the company as the CFO (mutli billion Dollar Company). All along she taught us , “ if you don't as boys and men learn to respect what you perceive as the weaker sex in the macho world, you son have not learnt how to garner the real strength a man is measured by" .

Well no less than many of you here who feel the same .

So when I saw this article in NY times I was and perhaps overreacting, simply livid.

So to the point_do you watch the Masters (golf)? Now read the treatment in our US of A clubs today in the name of ''Hey its a private club' we keep them kind of folks out' ( when was the last time we heard this language?)

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PHOENIX -- When the men of the Phoenix Country Club saw their feeding ways in peril, they did not tarry. Some sent nasty e-mail messages, hectored players on the fairway and, for good measure, urinated on a fellow club member's pecan tree.

David Kadlubowski for The New York Times
The Phoenix Country Club in Arizona.

David Kadlubowski for The New York Times

Vicki King and Roger Pearsall at their home in Phoenix, Ariz. They belonged to the Phoenix Country Club, but left in protest over the limited rights of women.
The targets of their ire were the women, and some men, who have dared to speak up against the club's policy of forbidding women in the men's grill room, a center of power dining in Phoenix.

Barbara Van Sittert, one of those women, said her husband, Logan, 73, has been heckled while playing golf and once found his locker defaced.

"They hooted and hollered at him and called his wife a whore," said Mrs. Van Sittert, 72, a petite, quiet woman with an elegant white bob. "It was not warm and fuzzy."

Charges of sexism against private golf clubs are not uncommon; the Augusta National Golf Club in Georgia, where the Masters is held each year, does not permit women to be members.

But here in Arizona, where the governor, secretary of state, chief justice and Senate minority leader are women, it has rankled more than a few women that nonmember men have more rights than paying female members at the Phoenix Country Club, a century-old fixture in the city's social and business life where it costs tens of thousands of dollars a year to belong.

Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, is not a member of the club, but Dennis Burke, her chief of staff, is. Mr. Burke has publicly opposed the separated dining rooms, and in an interview called them "indefensible." Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, does not belong to the club but has spoken there. (The McCain presidential campaign declined to comment on the separate dining rooms.) According to a 2007 club directory, Mr. McCain's son, Andrew, is a member, along with scores of other notable Phoenix residents, including the rocker Alice Cooper.



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You can't respect (2.00 / 2)

a woman , you only a 1/2 measure of a man.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 09:51:47 PM EST

Breakin.. (1.57 / 7)

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by Is This Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:08:39 PM EST
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Re: Breakin.. (1.66 / 6)

Snark you have to be a special kind of an asshole to come into a diary about respecting women and put your daily crap into it...

to all who were screaming bloody murder about trolls. Do you stand w. him? lets see


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:11:49 PM EST
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Re: Breakin.. (2.00 / 5)

Not really, this is your act. You constantly post obnoxious, anti-Democratic crap, and then every once in a while you try to write something to look "reasonable" and get mojo/sympathy.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:18:10 PM EST
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Re: Breakin.. (2.00 / 3)

tell me was your mother a democrat before she was a woman?


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:24:44 PM EST
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Re: Breakin.. (2.00 / 1)

Just in case the line is a bit blurr w/ you or the ones who mojo you that I " look for sympathy"....

No sir, I look for/hope_ you were instilled with some respect for ours/your mother and women.  


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:07:43 PM EST
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Hey (1.42 / 7)

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The AliveandKickin that calls us all Biatches and Sheep slips into his teddy bear costume once or twice a day.

Must be a fetish.


by Is This Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:14:26 PM EST
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Re: Breakin.. (2.00 / 1)


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:12:18 PM EST
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Well... (2.00 / 1)

Still better than Augusta.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 09:58:13 PM EST

Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)


I guess ---similar to the south as northerners used to say "we treat our slaves better".

I know I'm being a bit dramatic... allow me that leeway , please.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:03:07 PM EST
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I think Sam Nunn (2.00 / 3)

is a member of Augusta Country Club.  Another reason why he would be one of Obama's worst selections, though I think the chances of him getting the VP nod are close to 2%.  He's a good guy to talk to about nuclear proliferation though.


by Blazers Edge on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:10:53 PM EST

Re: I think Sam Nunn (2.00 / 1)

The sam nunn's of this world will come and go every election cycle . I hope we don't lose doing the right thing only in cycles.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:46:25 PM EST
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Apparently golf (2.00 / 2)

is a rougher sport than we realized. Pissed on his pecan tree, WTF??


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:19:52 PM EST

Re: Apparently golf (2.00 / 1)

Indeed it is.  

The sheer awesomeness of some old man wreaking his vengeance by pissing on a pecan tree redeems this diary.  But you have to wonder how they found out about the pissing.  Either he left a note on the tree, his pee smells really strong, or they caught him in the act.


by username on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:38:56 PM EST
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Re: Apparently golf (2.00 / 1)

Now what would your mother have to say about that funny you made...


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:55:53 PM EST
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Re: Apparently golf (2.00 / 1)

Luckily I don't have to get her approval for my anonymous web commentary.


by username on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:06:22 AM EST
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or (1.66 / 6)

The pecans tasted funny.

One can hope anyway.


by Is This Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:16:52 PM EST
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Re: or (2.00 / 3)

Uprated to counter some pretty ridiculous HRs.  Please remove them.


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:41:30 PM EST
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Re: or (2.00 / 1)

people hide and troll rating people on extra accounts is becoming a huge issue.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:55:06 PM EST
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Re: or (2.00 / 1)

Yep.  "workitfool" gives "22TANGOMYASS" just enough 2s to get TU status, then Mr. 22 goes postal on everyone else.  It doesn't really bother me -- it's been months since this place has been good for anything besides blowing off steam by flaming people -- but Jerome has a long road ahead of him if he wants to regain some credibility.


by username on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:05:26 AM EST
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Re: Nice Spot to Eat After Golf, but Women Are Bar (2.00 / 4)

Well within their rights, but it doesn't mean they aren't neanderthals.

Clubs like these slowly start loosing members or can't take the press. While older members the 55+ turn a blind eye they start having a hard time attracting younger members. Eventually they change. Sadly, not because its the right thing to do, but the economic thing to do.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:32:17 PM EST

Re: Nice Spot to Eat After Golf, but Women Are Bar (2.00 / 1)

Jsfox,
You summarized it well...
Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:44:30 PM EST
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Interesting (1.66 / 6)

To most of these people they see god in the market.

So they let the market tell them what is right and wrong.


by Is This Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:18:31 PM EST
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Re: Interesting (2.00 / 4)

Uprated to counter ridiculous HRs.  Time for you two to explain yourselves, u2livelife and 22TANGOME, because this is the second comment in this thread by the same poster that both of you have inappropriately HRed.


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:43:05 PM EST
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They have been doing it for a while. (2.00 / 4)

It's ok.

They are mad at my treatment of aliveandkickin.

Since the admin don't seem to mind him I probably deserve the tr's :)

Biatch sheep that I am.


by Is This Snark on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:47:44 PM EST
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Re: They have been doing it for a while. (2.00 / 2)

The problem is at least 2 are just troll/hide rate bots of a known poster.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:56:56 PM EST
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Re: They have been doing it for a while. (2.00 / 2)

Or just other McPain call center staff around the country bored, waiting/hoping for phones to ring.


by Is This Snark on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:02:14 AM EST
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Re: Nice Spot to Eat After Golf, but Gov. (2.00 / 3)

I read this article earlier -- it was shameful.  

Oddly, I play disc golf quite often and out of convenience and derision usually refer to this lesser game as 'ball golf'.  

I didn't realize how correct that characterization was.


by semiquaver on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:51:16 PM EST

Re: Nice Spot to Eat After Golf, but Gov. (2.00 / 2)

lol, you made me laugh for the day. good one. I'm still laughing while typing this.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 10:57:14 PM EST
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i love frisbee golf! (2.00 / 3)

and your comment rocks.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat Jun 28, 2008 at 11:29:31 PM EST
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Re: i love frisbee golf! (2.00 / 2)

A few months ago I got a basket secondhand for the backyard -- my short game has markedly improved.  

The sport seems to be picking up speed; in Chicago IIT (near sox park) has a course that's literally on campus, with holes spread across the various quads.  I would have killed for that in school.  Unfortunately most of the kids there seem to be annoyed by it, which makes sense as I've seen a few near misses.  There also seems to be a rise in ball golf courses adding baskets to add business, although I don't know anyone who'd make a tee time and pay $12 for that -- goes against the nature of the game.

In case anyone who's never played is interested, the PDGA maintains a worldwide course directory, and there are more around than you think, though the vast majority are in the US.  CA and KY have some particularly nice ones in my experience.  There are two oceanside courses in HI, one of which is partially IN the ocean, which would be my personal fantasy.   Discs cost $10-$18 (they're different than normal frisbees) and that's all you need to play, although you can get them for free if you have a course with a lake and you're fond of diving :)


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:33:30 AM EST
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Aliveandkickin, (1.62 / 8)

I know you are also workitfool, 22TANGOME, and u2livelife. I believe you are also rankles/switching sides/lemon714. I request that you stop using your sockpuppets to stealth TR.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:06:12 AM EST

Re: Aliveandkickin, (2.00 / 3)

Could an admin please do an IP check to confirm this?  If true, it's a violation of members' trust and undermines the moderation system.


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:56:21 AM EST
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I don't know, I guess they could check. (2.00 / 2)

I'm sure I'm right, though. Those people have been on a HR spree all night (and constantly uprating each other).


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:00:45 AM EST
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Re: I don't know, I guess they could check. (2.00 / 2)

Has anyone mailed the admins with this evidence?  I'd do it, but don't want to duplicate efforts.


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:07:51 AM EST
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I haven't yet. (2.00 / 2)

The few times I've emailed the admins, nothing was ever done about the problems I brought up. So I haven't bothered yet. If you're willing, that would be great.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:16:27 AM EST
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