FISA is not all about Obama

I just read Reaper0bot's diary on the reason Barack Obama is likely supporting the current compromise FISA bill, and there was one comment that jumped out at me: someone said "okay, we'll lose the battle but win the war".  Why?

If you're interested in the outcome of the bill, don't pressure the nominee unless you want to waste your time.

First of all, he's already getting maximum pressure from both wings of the party, which is to be expected no matter what his position is.  Second of all, he's already made a statement in support of it.  He cannot now reverse himself.  

That's okay, because if you care about the policies as well as the politics, the nominee - who from now until election day is going to have all the flexibility of a battering ram - would be your last option anyway.  If you're lobbying HIM, you've already lost.  

Instead, pressure your own members of congress - write letters, talk to your friends, make phonecalls, the usual.  Since I oppose the current house "compromise" FISA bill, (like most people here), I've contacted my two Senators to oppose it and mount to mount a filibuster.  Unfortunately, Chuck Schumer is in favor of it, and Senator Clinton's office simply referred me to an earlier statement.  But I'd like to hook up with national efforts opposing this, because being a New York member of Congress means voting in lockstep with the state delegation on big issues, usually.

I wish I didn't have to give an "activism for dummies", but this is MyDD, and people seem to be incapable of discussing ANY issue without using it either as a stick to prop up Barack Obama or to beat him over the head with it.  PUMAs are hoping the bill passes so that they can blame it on Obama and say things like "See? He's a politician." (Really?  Cause I thought he repaired mufflers.)   And on the other hand, regular Democrats here are acting like if we either have to support the FISA bill or mute our criticism of it just because it's getting voted on in an election year.

Both sides, as usual, think it's all about Barack Obama.  It isn't.

Look, Barack Obama is going to get elected president.  This is a good thing.  Also, that FISA bill is going down to defeat.  Wanna know how I know?  Because there are enough progressive smart enough to know which buttons to push and where to push them.  We know it's not always about Barack Obama.



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Tips (1.83 / 6)

...for something besides the fucking election.


by MeganLocke on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:03:13 AM EST

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Thanks for the great diary. Rec'd.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:03:28 AM EST

Tipped and Rec'd. (1.75 / 4)

Thank you for writing a diary discussing progressive strategy.  That's what this joint is supposed to be all about.  

Keep writing.  I'll keep reccing.

Dems in '08!


by spunkmeyer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:06:57 AM EST

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Rec'ed


by Ponderous on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:13:03 AM EST

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I wish I didn't have to give an "activism for dummies"

Really?  Have you read your own manual yet?

First of all...it IS about Obama.  He will be the nominee and will represent the Democrat Party in the General Election.  If you're trying to tell me that he can change the way that the Party collects/accepts money and where the HQ is co-located from and that his people get into top coordinating spots at the DNC, that he can't lead a fillibuster or cajole the Senate Dem's to follow his lead?

And I don't know about you, but I surely don't hear any 'muting' of opinions about the bill or his stance on any of the DEM leaning boards, especially in this election year.

IT IS ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, because if he were against this capitulation how much easier would it be to call our Senators (and our House representatives before it even got out of the House) and say you should not support this bill for a couple of reasons: 1. It's bad, and it's basically caving into Bush and the Republicans. 2. Additional Protections are great, but there must be an accounting of  'the rule of law' for what has happened, and by ignoring that, you condone those acts.  3. Barack Obama is going to be the Democrat Party Nominee...he is against the compromise.  You should be too.

But he's not taking that stance.  He's allowing the Party to vote on political manuvering.  He's compromising on bad legislation in order to "continue a program that actually does some good for America", but we have to compromise our National integrity and values and Constitution in order to do so.

More of the same way that Washington has been operating?  When does Change start?  When does our Hope of ending capitulation begin, and real actual protection of American's and our values start, Jan 20th 2009?  Is it my audacity to believe that campaign slogans and speeches are not just words and that they should be the cornerstone of the candidates platform and actions?

Leaders lead.  Hope should start right now.  Change can start right now.

Anything less is audaciously dispicable and let's me know it's all more of the same, and same as it ever was.  I guess words are just words after all.

And an activist would know all this.  And the buttons to push, would be not only our Senators, but the person who has asked for the responsibility to have their button pushed.  Yes, it is all about Obama.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:46:15 AM EST

you took the words (none / 0)

right out of my mouth.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:43:51 AM EST
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An activist would know that it is called the Democratic Party, not the Democrat. At least, a Democratic activist would know this. A redstater might not realize it, given how so many freepers use the second term.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:07:09 PM EST
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Ah, a redstate allegation.  How quaint.  Please forgive the faux pax when refering to the Democratic nominee, but I was a little busy finishing getting the kids ready for summer camp, finishing breakfast and trying to type on 'puter, and get myself out the door.

An activist would recognize the work being done instead of the talk being done and focus on results or the issue.  Not their attempt to divert attention or not even challenge the argument.  Only red-staters do that.

Wanna keep playing or are ya finished?


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:50:40 PM EST
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PLEASE (none / 0)

You have a of confidence in the Democratic Congress which has REPEATEDLY failed us on this (plus many, many other progressive issues).  Why should Obama be any different.  I never expected them to do the right thing- therefore I'm not one ounce surprised.  I think it's interesting to watch Obama followers going insane over the fact that he isn't turning out to be the person they imagined he'd be.  Wait till he doesn't withdraw the troops from Iraq- then let me know how you feel.  I never bought into his whole "new politics" schtick.  Honestly- have you even looked into his political allies in Chicago?  Come on!  

All that being said, he's TONS better than McCain.  What else can I say?  Sad state of politics in this country- but you go to war with the army you have- not the army you wish you had......


by easyE on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:14:38 AM EST

Fail! (none / 0)


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:31:46 AM EST

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Oops sorry Megan. I posted that pic in the wrong diary....


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:32:42 AM EST
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