MyDD :: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF?

"Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF?

by catfish2, Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:38:29 PM EST

So if you call Obama black, you're a racist because you're using the "one drop" rule.

Like Tiger Woods, Obama has only one black parent. Woods will not refer to himself as merely black because, as he told Barbara Walters "that would be like saying my mom doesn't exist."

So we can't call Obama black.

So let's call him biracial. Oh no, say some of you. That's racist:

When you try and tell us Obama is only 6.25% black, and use terms like bi-racial as some kind of wedge in the black community, don't be surprised if you are called a racist.

Moreoever, asking "how is referring to Obama as 'biracial' proof that one is racist?" Will earn you three troll ratings.

So you tell me. What is the proper term to use when referring to Obama's race: black, white, biracial, what? Should we never talk about race? When talking about Hurrican Katrina, should race ever be mentioned?

Are we like Stephen Colbert now, who says "me, I don't see people in terms of color. People tell me I'm white. I really wouldn't know."

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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 14)

Have you considered that you could say the most intelligent thing of your life, but due to your reputation of constantly saying the dumbest things we've heard, we'd just write you off without bothering to read what you say?

This is the risk of trolling- when you decide you actually want to participate, nobody gives a shit.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:41:05 PM EST

So you have no response to the diary. (1.83 / 6)

When you can't think of a good retort, attack the diarist.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:44:16 PM EST
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Re: So you have no response to the diary. (2.00 / 4)

When reading or listening to something you also have to consider who it is saying it. not just what they are saying. Words do not exist in a vacuum, the context in which they are delivered and the speaker are all part of the message. If you want to be considered seriously by a given community you do not spend a bunch of time speaking against that community, then say something that might be true and expect everyone to go all "ooh ah" over what you say.

Yeah, you know "biracial" would not seem to be a racist term. So, why did you create a whole new diary to complain about how you are being treated by a minority of a given population? Address it in the thread it was raised.

Can I legitamtely start a diary and use you as a prime example of a given group? "You know supporters of X candidate are all stupid because Y poster said this".

Really, this diary makes you sound petty and whiny, not the most effective way to get people to take what you say seriously. Perhaps you are trying to go for the martyr route? "Wah, look how mean these people are, their candidate must truly suck because they don't treat me with respect".

by notedgeways on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:17:15 PM EST
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Re: So you have no response to the diary. (2.00 / 6)

You seem really concerned with determining just how far you can go in criticizing our party's nominee.

If you spent half that effort going after McCain rather than figuring out "acceptable" ways to attack Obama, you might actually gain some support for your comments around here.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:22:29 PM EST
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BLACKENED CATFISH (CAJUN STYLE) (none / 0)

Cook outdoors: 1/2 lb. (2 sticks) unsalted butter, melted.

SEASONING MIX:

3/4 tsp. white pepper
1/2 tsp. thyme
1 tbsp. paprika
1 tsp. garlic powder
1 tsp. onion powder
3/4 tsp. black pepper
1/2 tsp. oregano
2 1/2 tsp. salt
1 tsp. red pepper (cayenne)

Preheat cast iron skillet on outdoor-cooker at least 10 minutes, until a white ash forms in skillet bottom. Thoroughly combine seasoning mix in a small bowl. Dip fillets in melted butter so that both sides are well coated. Then sprinkle seasoning mix generously and evenly on both sides of fillets, putting it in by hand.
Place in hot skillet and add 1 tablespoon of butter over the top of fillets. (Caution - butter will flame.) Cook 2 to 3 minutes on each side until charred. Serve with a squeeze of fresh lemon juice.

Serves 6.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:16:07 PM EST
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Re: So you have no response to the diary. (none / 0)

Obama refers to himself as Black, so I'm not really seeing the point of this diary.
But to answer your question, no, I don't think the term bi-racial is racist, it's biologically accurate. However, my kids are biracial, and I consider them, and teach them that they are Black.
It's not to discount their father, but socially, they are considered Black.

Tiger Woods isn't a really good example of how Obama should define himself, since Tiger Woods obviously has a problem with Black identity, and does not want to be considered Black, or really have anything to do with Black people.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:44:18 PM EST
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Re: So you have no response to the diary. (none / 0)

When you can't ever think of a good diary, attack the commenter who points it out?

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:29:58 AM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 5)

Let us not forget that catfish are bottom feeders!

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:05:58 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 2)

So, do you enjoy always having to look up to them?

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:10:48 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (none / 0)

We don't swim in swamps.

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:36:10 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

Ah, but you frequently 'rake muck'.

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:08:28 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 0)

One does have to clean up the mess left by trolls.

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:10:30 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

ihaveseenenough---Funny how others may say that say of your crowd " when you write some great comments it is over looked for the pure asskissing you do of a cnadidate and not of the democratic principlies we cherish"

Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!

by aliveandkickin on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:45:49 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 0)

Papa McTroll cherishes democratic principles, now that's funny.

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:52:45 PM EST
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Any comment offends someone (none / 0)

It's a rule. I think the safest PC way to go for anyone honestly concerned is to say he is of a 'diverse background'.

by libertyleft on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:41:46 PM EST

What about Katrina (1.66 / 6)

Should we talk about race when we talk about Katrina?

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:43:37 PM EST
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If it helps (none / 0)

by libertyleft on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:46:48 PM EST
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Why did comment get a TR? (2.00 / 1)

Please explain.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:51:46 PM EST
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Re: Why did comment get a TR? (2.00 / 3)

Because you were a Hillary supporter. No other reason, ya know?

Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?

by emsprater on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:11:38 PM EST
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Re: Why did comment get a TR? (none / 0)

I went and gave you 8 mojo's to compensate to for the TR's . :)

Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!

by aliveandkickin on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:48:26 PM EST
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is that what he says? (2.00 / 1)

Didn't he write a whole book about his experience with coming to terms about being a Black man?

by Teacher1956 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:02:53 PM EST
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Re: is that what he says? (2.00 / 3)

I make no comment on what he says, or what is most accurate. The diarist appears to be looking for a safe way to discuss the issue without opening himself up to criticism for being racially insensitive, I just offered the safest term I can think of.

by libertyleft on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:09:15 PM EST
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Go play in the corner, little troll! (1.57 / 7)

by spunkmeyer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:45:34 PM EST

Re: Go play in the corner, little troll! (2.00 / 2)

ok mojo for AWESOME troll picture

"How long have I been at this, like five weeks?" -Simple Sarah 08'

by wellinformed on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:13:51 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 9)

"So we can't call Obama black."

We can't? Who says?

"So let's call him biracial."

Why? Why mention his race at all?

Right now, I call him Senator Obama.

Next year, I will call him President Obama?

Seems to work for me.

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:48:52 PM EST

Mojo for participating (2.00 / 1)

While I don't agree, you shared your view and that's worthy of a '2'.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:08:00 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (1.00 / 8)

great, can we get Senator Obama to shut up about race? Because every time he or his primary supporters (as opposed to the rest of us who are merely stuck with him now)talk about how people not voting for him are racists, it makes me gag on my upcoming vote.

by Teacher1956 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:08:24 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 4)

Cite please? Oh wait, you can't.

Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome

by kasjogren on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:11:47 PM EST
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sounds good (2.00 / 3)

but only if you'll agree to shut up how much you want other people to shut up about race.

by JJE on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:17:32 PM EST
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Not a diary. (2.00 / 4)

This is a comment thread argument, and belongs there. You knock someone else's substantive diary off the New Diaries list every time you post one of these.

John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.

by Shem on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:48:59 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 3)

His race should not be given any more credibility in regards to his abilities than his shoe size. It should not carry any weight in and of itself, and when you're discussing policy, it's not part of it.

You can call him whatever you like, just don't treat it as if it carries some sort of meaning in and of itself other than a novelty. And ESPECIALLY don't use it to insist that his positions contradict his stated goals/ideals.

"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."

by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:11:33 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

But moreover, who cares what some people on here think?

"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."

by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:14:11 PM EST
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To be fair (2.00 / 1)

Of the 5 points raised in the comment you linked, you picked the only really indefensible one.

However, your point is correct IMO. Calling Obama biracial isn't racist.

by Neef on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:13:39 PM EST

hmm (2.00 / 4)

Have you visited Catfish and NewHampster's other haunts?

The PUMA crowd argue that the black community has been conned by this bi-racial man who is only 6.25 percent African.

They claim he is 50% white, 36.75% Arabic, and 6.25% black.

They call the Obama's racist and claim Black Liberation Theology is racist.

This gives them cover to say the most despicable shit I have ever seen uttered on progressive websites.

In this thread.

"I thought we got rid of that cheesy guilty white liberalism years ago."

It's like hanging out in yahoo groups calling him Barky the Darky then coming here and calling him Barky.

Worse still is when they feign outrage when they get called racist for using it here.

My momma always told me you are judged by the company you keep.

You associate with racists like Paula Abeles, use racially incendiary rhetoric, demean and diminish a successful black man and everyone calling you a racist is wrong.

Did you see NoQuarter called Obama a spade yesterday?

by Is This Snark on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:58:42 PM EST
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And we need to address it why? (2.00 / 1)

The PUMA crowd argue that the black community has been conned by this bi-racial man who is only 6.25 percent African.

They claim he is 50% white, 36.75% Arabic, and 6.25% black.

Do you really think any sane person is going to be swayed even a fraction of an iota by that? I mean, even one smidgen?

It's troll logic. You can't refute it, it's like trying to prove gravity is down and the sky is blue.

But biracial is by no means racist. It's just not, even if PUMA has co-opted that shred of truth.

by Neef on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:09:39 PM EST
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I agree. (1.00 / 0)

Here's the problem though...

I don't for a second believe these ugly attitudes represent Hillary Clinton supporters, however the GOP is using the worst of the worst to smear Obama without getting their hands dirty.

Why do you think these PUMA assholes only go on right wing media?

Is it that randi rhodes is afraid of their arguments?

Hell no. They know fine they have no arguments that stand up to scrutiny and go only where Smearing Democrats is the goal.

To ignore it would be like ignoring the swiftboaters.

I remember fine people thinking refuting these people would only give them more attention or credibility.

This IS their swiftboating.

Kerry was a war hero so they got army people to discredit him.

Obama says America has moved past historical prejudices and is ready to elect a black man, so they trot out Democrats to discredit that idea too.

Step outside the progressive box of moderated discussion and see the most vile crap posted by people with names like Hillvet, HillorNothing, Hill4Mc, Hilldem, DemPatriot etc etc.

Are these Democrats or Republicans using Hillary's disaffected supporters as cover for their hateful rhetoric?

by Is This Snark on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:37:19 PM EST
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Well, I should be clear (2.00 / 1)

I agree with 99% of what you said, and I pointed out in my comment that your comment was cherrypicked. I find the Fox/NQ smears as reprehensible as you do. It's just that one particular one I don't think is effective.

It's the type of thing a bigot would hurl at black people, expecting us to run in circles going "ooooo he's not black oooooo he's not black", right before we deluge the McCain HQ to vote =).

It's tone-deaf. The intent, yeah that's repugnant. But the attack (IMO) is silly.

by Neef on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:51:45 PM EST
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he's a uniter (1.66 / 3)

of races!

vote blue in 2008

by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:13:43 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 4)

I never thought I would say this ...but I would rather read an Alegre "Donate to a lost cause" Diary

"How long have I been at this, like five weeks?" -Simple Sarah 08'

by wellinformed on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:16:11 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

so why are you here?

by Teacher1956 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:19:12 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 2)

We're here to play with trolls.

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:38:12 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (none / 0)

A good troll whacking is good for the circulation.

Next!

by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:21:21 PM EST
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I think it is hysterical that people (2.00 / 2)

are voting that they do not see in color. I thought we got rid of that cheesy guilty white liberalism years ago. Please, Obama sees in color. He called his grandmother a "typical white woman". He wrote a book in which he spent a lot of time talking about being black. He talks about it all the time on the campaign trail and his campaign specifically targeted blacks in states where there is a heavy population and his campaign said that he would win those states because of the demographics, for example, SC.
My kids are the most open minded people I know when it comes to race. Their father and I raised them that way, but they see in color.
In fact claiming not to see in color is racist in and of itself. Why refuse to see someone's color unless you think there is something wrong with it? Why pretend that growing up black is exactly the same experience as growing up white?

by Teacher1956 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:18:09 PM EST

Stephen Colbert doesn't see in color (2.00 / 2)

he says people tell him he's white, but he wouldn't know.

Of course, that's the character Stephen Colbert. Not the actor/comedian playing the character of Stephen Colbert, a parody of Bill O'Rielly.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:25:33 PM EST
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I only see in the UV spectrum (2.00 / 1)

It is both a gift and a curse. But since UV isn't really "color" that's why I voted as I did.

by JJE on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:31:00 PM EST
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Re: I only see in the UV spectrum (2.00 / 2)

Some of my best friends are UV, but I also have InfraRed friends as well....

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:13:46 PM EST
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Re: I think it is hysterical that people (2.00 / 2)

Some of my best friends are black! E gads!

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:39:58 PM EST
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For someone who doesn't want (none / 0)

anyone to talk about race, you've got some pretty detailed views.
Every comment I've read from you has been about race.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:51:07 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 4)

Why waste a diary whining about a comment on here that you disagree with? Seriously, is your entire objective just to derail real conversation here?

And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.

by thatpurplestuff on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:19:13 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 4)

This is another one of those diaries that makes me go "huh?" Complain to the admins about specific posters if you think they've treated you unfairly. If you have something legitimate to say about race, I'm sure it will be treated as legitimate by the majority of people here.

by rfahey22 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:20:48 PM EST

Do you think biracial is an acceptable term? (none / 0)

If not, what term do you prefer?

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:53:17 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 2)

is this a call out diary? are you trying to call out, Is This Snark [not to be confused with isthissnark ]

if not, i dont get it.

by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:36:48 PM EST

How are we supposed to make progress (2.00 / 1)

if we aren't allowed to talk openly about things like this?

If I didn't link, people would have asked for examples.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:41:37 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

Where is the love for you catfish?
Why are so few rec'ing your attempt to once again
inject race in a concerned troll kind of way...?

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:40:43 PM EST

If he helps others trust government (1.00 / 0)

if his election in November, which I do see as very likely, helps people of color to feel more party of our civic institutions than they were before, that is a great thing.

I will not vote for him, but if other people trust him and through their trust of him start to trust other political figures, and start to feel empowered, and Obama does not destroy that trust, then good.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:50:45 PM EST
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Why don't you think (1.00 / 0)

"people of color to feel more party of our civic institutions"?

by Is This Snark on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:01:14 PM EST
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A movement in California to get more judges (none / 0)

of color, for that very reason, because studies have shown people of color feel the judicial system is for the white people, not for them.

It's not saying ALL people of color to not feel included the same systems, institutions. But the perception is there among many people of color, and who could blame them? We are a visual species, and even in California, judges remain overwhelmingly white and male.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:09:50 PM EST
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hmm (1.00 / 0)

So Black people are less involved in civic institutions because they perceive an inequity based on the racial make up of the system.

Are you saying that these perceptions are based solely on the color of the people making up the institutions and not the impact the institutions have on the black community?

by Is This Snark on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:22:16 PM EST
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Lawyers Committee: More diversity needed (none / 0)

in the courts:

(Washington, DC) - At a time when our nation is focused on creating diversity on the Supreme Court, a new study shows that there is a serious lack of diversity among state judiciaries. According to a new study just released by the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law ("Lawyers' Committee"), despite some modest advances, minority candidates who want to serve as judges often face unique barriers to office.

The study, Answering the Call for a More Diverse Judiciary: A Review of State Judicial Selection Models and their Impact on Diversity, finds that the failure to overcome obstacles such as racially polarized voting and the inability to raise sufficient campaign funds has created a glass ceiling for minority judges, making it difficult for them to win seats in statewide high court judicial elections. These barriers pose serious threats to the fair administration of justice both locally and nationally since state courts are transmission belts for the federal bench and even the Supreme Court. The study also includes expanded data from four states: Texas, California, New York, and Mississippi.

Public opinion about whether or not the judicial system is fair is largely based on the perceptions of those who sit on the bench. Only 29% of Hispanics and 18% of African Americans strongly believe that judges are generally honest and fair in deciding cases. The overabundance of white male judges combined with the overrepresentation of racial and ethnic minorities as criminal defendants creates a palpable friction between the judges and the judged.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:17:02 PM EST
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Re: If he helps others trust government (none / 0)

I feel empowered to tell you that you are full of crap.

OBAMA 08 without the dead enders.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:02:39 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (1.50 / 4)

I don't think this is an attempt to inject race.

Its a response to an irrational tirade someone threw in another thread.

None of the reasons I don't like Obama have anything to do with race.

The only color I saw was the yellow of team Obama pissing on the Clinton legacy.

by dtaylor2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:58:03 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

Psst. The primaries are over. Why not try and be in the moment. Today is Thursday June 26, 2008.

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:19:35 PM EST
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Let's discuss (2.00 / 0)

What topics relating to the Senator's racial background would you like to discuss?

by JJE on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:48:39 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (1.00 / 2)

Hillery Clinton will never be president, no matter how much you troll, you can see her on Cspan being a non essential part of the senate with no chair or leadership position. No amount of trolling will change this, cry about it.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:48:58 PM EST

You're in the wrong diary (2.00 / 1)

this diary is not about Hillary Clinton. She lost. Obama is the nominee.

What is the proper way to talk about race in the general election?

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:51:44 PM EST
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Re: You're in the wrong diary (1.00 / 1)

Oh, we both know this diary, like every troll diary is about your fantasy about a madame president that will never be. Cry about it.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:52:59 PM EST
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Re: You're in the wrong diary (none / 0)

YEEE HAWWW FAIL AT PANERSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:56:31 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 2)

The first thing people notice about someone they are meeting for the first time, is their race. This also applies for ethnic differences if the person is clearly of an ethnic group. The only people who don't register color are blind people. We could learn from the blind when it comes to skin color.

The internet is the great equalizer. You don't know whether the person you are conversing with is black, white, red, yellow, or some shade of blue or green.

Of course, the first thing that registers in my consciousness when meeting a new person is their skin color or race. The second is the facial features. That's how the human mind works. That doesn't make me a racist any more than noting a woman's beauty makes me a sexist. It's a natural reaction.

Noticing racial differences isn't the problem. Acting on those differences is where we so often go astray. Judging someone on their skin color is no more right when it is black judging white than it is when it is white judging black.

Congratulations to catfish for managing to inject race into the campaign. I wonder how many McCain points he'll get for this one?

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:02:59 PM EST

Mojo for substantive comment (none / 0)

except for the last line, of course. But overall worth a '2'.

Noting racial differences isn't the problem. Stereotyping people with a broad brush, based on somebody's skin color is a problem.

But truly - is "biracial" a bad word?

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:13:07 PM EST
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Re: Mojo for substantive comment (none / 0)

Why do insist on labeling him at all?

by venician on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:21:24 PM EST
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Re: Mojo for substantive comment (none / 0)

Bacause the hope is that if enough voters can be turned off by emphasizing his race the election will swing to McCain. The flip side of that is that there are a lot of people who like the idea of electing a qualified black man to help move us further down the road towards true equality. Even a lot of Republicans and conservatives feel this way. Some of them feel that affirmative action is wrong, not because it gives preference to someone unlike them, but because it is seen as a type of reverse-racism that implies those getting preference are somehow less equal.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:05:21 PM EST
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Well maybe voters are turned off (none / 0)

by the silencing.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:58:34 PM EST
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Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 2)

ok i posted the same comment on another thread and I post another version of comment in this thread.

nuff of this racebaiting.. calling a person biracial isnt racist.. someone said why label at all.. well here is a label.. "old and deranged" and "wheels coming off" how are they for labels? IMO isnt racist.. geez w/e call me racist and I will show what real racism is.. here is an example..

I am of mixed color, and AA is not one of those colors. recently I went to pizza hut.. an AA server took care of us.. treated us like dirt.. gave us an undercooked pizza and when we protested.. she told us that was the way pizzas are made in america..

the irony was she was calling the lady on the next table maam.. offering her excellent customer service.. apologized for an undercooked pizza and told that she will replace the pizza.. and repeatedly treated her with utmost respect.. and guess what.. she was an african american lady..

now dat to me is racism.. dont overload the term racism when people equate a thin resume to inexperience.. obama is biracial.. deal with it.. however, he is more right than wrong compared to mccain on issues important to me and thats why I support him.. not because he is experienced! or has different color.. get a grip.. dont call people racist.. when the real racists are selling buttons making "whitehouse" jokes in texas, you accuse ordinary folks of being racist..

by gladiatorsback on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:55:55 PM EST

Thank you - great comment (none / 0)

It's like crying wolf.

Was the lady at the next table white?

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:47:23 PM EST
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Re: Thank you - great comment (none / 0)

the lady was AA

by gladiatorsback on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:52:39 PM EST
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Well, that settles it. (none / 0)

Blacks are the real racists, and Whites who make subtext, dog-whistle remarks are just...wait for it... Ordinary Folks.

Thanks for clearing that up, yeah, "great comment".

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:56:16 PM EST
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Not everything is a dog whistle (2.00 / 1)

Sometimes inexperienced means somebody is inexperienced.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 07:57:44 PM EST
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Exactly (none / 0)

Like somebody claiming to be qualified because they were married to someone who was...

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:02:47 PM EST
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So a woman can't run (2.00 / 1)

if she has an experienced husband? Even if that woman has a lifetime of experience in her own right? Even if that woman served longer in the Senate than her opponent, was re-elected by her constituents?

Even if that woman earned more money than her husband every year until he was Governor of Arkansas - giving him the financial security to build up a network of political allies to achieve the governorship?

Interesting.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:47:38 PM EST
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No, (1.00 / 1)

a woman can't run on her husband's experience and claim it as her own, embellish her actual experience, then have the nerve to call someone else 'inexperienced'.
Interesting indeed.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:03:26 PM EST
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So a man can embellish his own experience (2.00 / 1)

He can even make an ad in which he claims to have passed a law giving vets health care, when in fact he didn't even show up to vote for siad law, he's just being aggressive. He's being a man.

But if a woman makes a tiny tiny error in one incident in which the helicopter she was riding had to make a corkscrew-style landing because they feared snipers in the area, though no snipers turned out to be there, is embellishing to an unforgiving degree.

Interesting.

by catfish2 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:02:31 PM EST
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So how do you know (none / 0)

your server wasn't just having a bad day?
How do you know it wasn't something about your party's attitude that ticked her off?
Why do you automatically assume it was racial? Because you say so?
See how that works both ways?

You undercut your own argument when you do the exact same thing you're complaining about.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:01:21 PM EST
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What color is his brain? Isn't that what counts? (2.00 / 1)

My take is like John Stewarts.

I want a guy in the whitehouse I KNOW is smarter then me?

Just turns out, the smartest guy this time is black? Probably because we never gave any other black guys a real chance before?

I could care less if he is Purple with Green Stripes?

VOTE FOR THE SMART GUY!

besides, I'm kinda of tired of apoligizing to black folks for Bush, let's put a really smart black (or bi-racial or Mocha flavored, what-ever the hell he is) and see if they will forgive us!

On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....

by WashStateBlue on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:24:41 PM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (2.00 / 1)

The rule with Obama is that anything not completely adoring and deferential is "racist."

Obama lied? Racist.
Obama is inexperienced? Racist.
Obama was raised in Indonesia? Racist.
Obama lost the popular vote? Racist.

Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.

by BPK80 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:04:20 PM EST

I guess it's pretty much like (none / 0)

everything critical of Hillary (including her loss of the election, in which the popular vote was never an issue, until she was losing), is sexist.

See? It's a game everyone can play, where no one wins.

* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *

by Maori on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:06:03 PM EST
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Is this even a diary? (none / 0)

I will play..
The last time I checked, Senator Obama identifies with black culture--which is no surprised because IF YOU LOOK BLACK--SOCIETY WILL TREAT YOU AS A BLACK MAN.

You can be raised by chickens, it doesn't matter if all they see is black.
Why are we talking about Tiger Woods again?....

summer is for swimming

by susu1969 on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:27:17 AM EST

Re: "Obama is biracial" = racism? WTF? (none / 0)

My guinea pig passed away last night.

by xdem on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 12:08:25 PM EST

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