McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns

John McCain is trying mightily to gain some advantage, any advantage out of today's Supreme Court decision overturning DC's ban on handguns.

From The Hill:

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) immediately seized on the Supreme Court's ruling that Americans have the right to bear arms and slammed his presidential rival Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on the issue.

"Unlike the elitist view that believes Americans cling to guns out of bitterness, today's ruling recognizes that gun ownership is a fundamental right -- sacred, just as the right to free speech and assembly," McCain said, referencing a major Obama campaign gaffe.

Throwing at wall. Not sticking.

The problem for McCain here is that rehashing bitter gate is pretty much all he has because he and Senator Obama really aren't all that far apart on this issue. Barack Obama has released a statement of support for the Heller decision and for the position that the second amendment does protect the right to bear arms.

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country.

"As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe.

By essentially agreeing with McCain, Obama takes gun control off the table as a wedge issue and leaves McCain with very little to point to distinguishing between their positions.

So he went with this:

McCain also pointed out that his Democratic rival did not join him in signing an amicus brief in the case.

Ahh, the old signed the amicus brief trick. I'm sure that will take off like wildfire.

I'm concerned about the precedent this decision is setting for gun laws in place in cities around the country but Obama is choosing his battles and I'd agree that politically, this is not one worth waging right now.



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McCain better be careful (2.00 / 1)

With statements this strong, he might do our job for us and spook a lot of soccer moms that we won over years ago on the gun issue.


by RandyMI on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:30:40 PM EST

Re: McCain better be careful (2.00 / 1)

Also funny in a macabre way that McCain identifies free speech and gun ownership as fundamental rights, but disagrees that the ability to say "um, you are holding me without any justification" to a court is a fundamental right.

But I think you might be being a bit optimistic on the soccer moms.  I'd be surprised if their McCain vs. Obama choice came down to guns.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:34:43 PM EST
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Re: McCain better be careful (none / 0)

I don't think it will come down to it either, but it might play into creating an overall image. If I were Obama, I would make sure that women who voted for Hillary saw this.


by RandyMI on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:46:34 PM EST
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Re: McCain better be careful (none / 0)

Agreed. Won't have anything to do with guns. Soccer moms will be voting for Obama with their kids futures in mind, and the empty pocketbook on the living room couch. Even an NRA spokesman was having a hard time spinning this one. He couldn't even come out and endorse McCain or speak optimistically or positively of McCain.  At this point, I don't even see the need for an NRA anymore.


by Jeter on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 01:34:40 AM EST
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Obama supports reinstating the assult weapons ban (none / 0)

He must campaign on that. If he thinks the Supreme court says that it doesn't violate the second amendment what rationale is there not to campaign on it.


by whothere on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:35:11 PM EST

Re: Maybe John McCain ... (2.00 / 3)

... should disown that 2000 commercial he cut in favor of the Colorado ballot initiative closing the gun show loophole while he voted against a bill to close the gun show loophole one year earlier.


by Brad G on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:37:26 PM EST

Re: Maybe John McCain ... (2.00 / 2)

Straight Talk Express!!!!!


by Dog Chains on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:41:03 PM EST
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Amicus brief? Who's the elitist now? (none / 0)

Crikey, can his campaign do anything right?

Answer:  No they McCan't!


by Geekesque on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:37:54 PM EST

Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (2.00 / 1)

I AM concerned about their new tactic of portraying OBama as a phony, though. He needs to get in front of that immediately and counter-attack.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:40:00 PM EST

Re: Maybe John McCain ... (2.00 / 2)

... should own up to his cutting a commercial in favor of the Colorado ballot initiative closing the gun show loophole while voting against doing so in the Senate a year earlier.

Please see my above post for links.


by Brad G on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:02:22 PM EST
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Re: Maybe John McCain ... (none / 0)

I had not seen that. Now if we can only get Obama to start more actively pushing stuff like that.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:14:38 PM EST
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Huh?? (2.00 / 1)

By essentially agreeing with McCain, Obama takes gun control off the table as a wedge issue

have you not witnessed or paid attention to any elections the past 28 years? Since when does truth or reality take an issue "off the table" when being used against a democrat. Republicans and their US corporate media slaves are anxious and exhilarated to use lies, deceptions, smears, and just plain make up any old shit they want against democrats.


by gak on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:42:32 PM EST

Re: Huh?? (none / 0)

Ah, the amicus brief attack, haven't seen that one since nineteen ot four I suppose.  This guy is a joke.  The targets of these silly things will be the same people that believe Obama is a marxist Muslim that hates America because Hannity says so, idiots my friends, idiots.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:46:28 PM EST
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Guns v. Crime (none / 0)

I think this is a box Democrat candidates have been in from some time...

If he/she is for gun restrictions, he/she are trying to take away your guns.

If he/she is not for gun restrictions, he/she is soft on crime, or trying to help put guns in the hands of drug dealers.

I think Sen. Obama knows this (Willie Horton ad creator has already cut a "soft on gang violence" piece on Obama) and is very conscious of the fine line he has to walk.

But I think it can be said that while competing against Hilary Clinton made Sen. Obama a better candidate, competing against Sen. McCain is making him a much worse candidate. Only June and Sen. Obama is in prevent defense mode.


by Benstrader on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:52:59 PM EST

Re: Guns v. Crime (none / 0)

Gotta agree, he has done ridiculously little offense this week (last, too).


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:13:44 PM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

"By essentially agreeing with McCain, Obama takes gun control off the table as a wedge issue and leaves McCain with very little to point to distinguishing between their positions."

Why is it in this most Democratic of years that Obama cannot run for President with a pro gun control position?


by dMarx on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:03:15 PM EST

Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

Supporting Gun Control never hurt Bill Clinton. He ran for reelection on the Brady Bill and Assault Weapons ban.


by whothere on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:18:16 PM EST
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Actually..... (2.00 / 1)

Clinton ran strongly as a pro-gun Democrat.   The last Democrat nominee to run strongly gun-control was Dukakis.


by monkeyga on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:34:10 PM EST
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Re: Actually..... (none / 0)

Not true. Al Gore ran as pro-gun control and won the majority vote.

Kerry ran against gun control and lost the majority vote.

So go figure.


by dMarx on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:07:40 PM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

'cos the party abandoned the platform 8 years ago... the NRA is just too strong... also, they've wooed over many former gun control folks and made them into "security moms"...not to mention that half of our caucus have become rabid NRA types...

Sadly, many more people will have to die before any change will come about... probably not in our lifetimes...


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:21:00 PM EST
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The right people have to die (none / 0)

... gun control is simply not a federal matter, and anything that tries to solve it like it is, is utterly idiotic.

Chicago needs one plan, Rural Illinois a different plan.

But they need to interface, and work well at the joins.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:35:11 PM EST
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Re: The right people have to die (2.00 / 1)

The real problem with guns and crime is that guns are imported into the cities in great number, and are often directly sold to criminals.  State or regional plans have no way to control such an influx, only the federal government has the jurisdiction to regulate such interstate commerce....


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:24:16 PM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

The ruling takes the issue off the table...  It will be very hard to mount an "Obama will take your guns" attack.  The court has made it very clear that is impossible.  The NRA just won the whole friggin' thing and there is nothing that opponents can do about it.  There is no groundswell of movement to ban guns like there is to ban abortion... and even if there was, the anti-abortion folk are still fighting to get Roe overturned with little success...

The guns issue is not much of a political football anymore... the game's over.  the NRA just socred the winning touchdown.


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:25:09 PM EST

Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

The NRA will only win if there are no restrictions at all in any form on purchasing and there are still lots of them.


by whothere on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:27:56 PM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

I'd say that battle is done too, though. Freaking SCALIA just wrote the opinion that the right doesn't extend to military-style weapons or that restrictions to purchasing/licensing are affected.

If someone as untouchable and unflinchable as Antonin Scalia is not going to turn those around, NOBODY will.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:42:03 PM EST
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yet another reason to like scalia. (none / 0)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:36:21 PM EST
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licensing (none / 0)

This is where cities need to focus efforts.  
I do have an issue with blanket bans, only because I think people need to be given freedom.  But, I am strongly against easy access to license to carry.

I think this is where Democrats can push back hard.   Let us make real strong rules on licensing.  Let us make sure that anyone who wants to legally carry a gun know how to operate it safely.   Most Americans while supporting the right to own guns, also want to make sure that people don't abuse that right.

I would also make mishandling a gun a felony crime.  You don't have to add jail time, but this is a way you can keep guns away from drunken yahoos.   By this, I am talking about the people that get liquored up and then go out and shoot shit.


by monkeyga on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 06:25:42 PM EST
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Re: licensing (none / 0)

Sounds reasonable to me.


by Jeter on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 01:38:15 AM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

Heh... this ruling has done a lot to ease their paranoia... I think they will feel "safe" now... too bad the rest of us living in the cities won't...


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:42:13 PM EST
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remove drugs from the cities (none / 0)

(legalize them), and you wont' see nearly the problems -- except with car theft (ref. vancouver)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:36:55 PM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (2.00 / 1)

My read of the decision is that Washington D.C. may very well be able to enact a law that says that the only guns people can own are the actual guns that existed at the time the Constitution was written.  In other words D.C. could ban all guns that are less than 220 years old.


by kaleidescope on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:33:37 PM EST

Off the table (none / 0)

Look, even in the decision it only states that there is a right to bear arms, and that blanket bans are unconstitutional, but that the right is not unlimited.

The city of Washington no longer will have a blanket ban, but they will need to come up with some more creative rules.   From my reading it does not seem that licensing to carry would be banned.    What DC needs to do is make restrictive rules on licence to carry and then just increase the penalties for those who violate it.


by monkeyga on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:41:13 PM EST

Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

For Obama no issue is worth fighting for and the sooner you wake up to this fact Todd the happier you will be when he sells you out on every single issue you care about.

And ya know....

People do care about their rights.

To not be spyed upon by the State.

To not have the State be the only party that owns guns.

Did you skip all your classes on American History?


by Pericles on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:56:23 PM EST

Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (2.00 / 1)

I've come to the regrettable conclusion that disaster has to happen in the US before the light bulb finally comes on. In this particular case if there is a sharp increase in shooting deaths in DC and other major cities as a consequence of this decision by the Supreme court it might work. Unfortunately a lot of people have to die to prove the point but that's how it works in the US. It's taken hundreds of thousands of deaths and maimings and about $850 billion so far to convince the simplistic nationalists and John Wayne freaks that you need to think very carefully before you launch pre-emptive wars. Well in truth it hasn't convinced all of them but a clear majority.    


by ottovbvs on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:09:24 PM EST

otto van bismark (2.00 / 1)

yes, but the right people have to die. inner city folks just won't do. wipe out a 300 person town like Clinton, NY, and then see what happens (I've been there, so it's the small town i thought of. no reference to hillary, i'm sure)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:38:39 PM EST
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Re: otto van bismark (none / 0)

Exactly! the only people getting killed in D.C. are democrats, which the NRA probably believes is a good thing.

Sadly, though, even that might not do.  Look what happened with the shooting rampage at Va Tech.  The outcry was not against gun violence, but that there should be MORE guns on campus!

Insanity!  

Only when 4 people die in a shootout after guns are legalized on campus will some people understand.  WE are a long way away.  The gun control movement died after Al Gore failed to get elected, and it is very weak at the moment.  Look at all the democrats (not democratic leaders, but rank and file dems) hailing this decision!!

The NRA has come a long way... they've won the whole enchelada, and our nation is going suffer greatly as a result.


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:28:36 PM EST
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Re: otto van bismark (none / 0)

I do not believe that guns are the real issue. Banning them is 1. a Constitutional impossibility and 2. not going to solve the problem.

Watch "Bowling for Columbine." With that film, Michael Moore singlehandedly changed my mind on gun control.

Do we need restrictions on gun ownership, such as background checks, bans on automatic weapons and strict restrictions on gun dealers? Yes.

But Canada has more guns, per capita, than the U.S. and yet has far less violent crime.


by Last Frontier Democrat on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:18:38 PM EST
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Pathetic (none / 0)

Honestly, the thing that really boggles me is that in a massive general election campaign such as this one, where you'd think McCain would have access to some of the best and brightest, the seemingly best response is to revive "bittergate" which it just doesn't seem to me that voters really bought all that much...


by JJ Berg on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:05:25 PM EST

Re: Pathetic (none / 0)

I don't think they are trying to revive bitter gate so much as brand Obama as arrogant and out of touch.  Check out turd blossum's opinion piece in the WSJ today and you will get the idea.


by dMarx on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:09:48 PM EST
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Re: McCain Flailing To Attack Obama On Guns (none / 0)

I've read Obama's statement and a couple of news articles about his opinions on this, and I have no clue whether Obama agrees with the decision or not.

Anyone else know?


by OrangeFur on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 05:10:05 PM EST


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