troll diary after troll diary.

yet - 1 - yes one person other than me called out a troll diary last night that bashed HRC and her supporters.

i guess its only a troll diary when it goes after BO?  other democrats are okay?  sheesh.

And now one of these trolls has declared himself king and will come to the rescue of his minions and mojo and rec. their diaries.

From Dr. Strangelove. IMO, MyDD is suffering from a TROLL GAP.

There should be more concern about the number of trolls than the quality (trolls are never very good, they're just very annoying).

If you aren't being trolled you aren't important.

And in that respect, if the admin purges trolls too aggressively, then the members feel deprived of a sense of importance. If there are no trolls, you feel irrelevant.

So what's needed is a Troll Flow Control, not troll killing. Let a reasonable number survive, let them say whatever stupid things they want to say, and thereby you get a greater sense of satisfaction by ignoring them.

Mind the Troll Gap is what I would recommend.

We wouldn't be having the problem if it wasn't for that damn No Troll Left Behind act  . . .

Completely agree. Yesterday was a prime example with a diary which tried to smear the Clintons with smears Obama had never made, thus trying to fling mud in two directions at the same time.

MESSAGE TO ALL MCCAIN SOCKPUPPETS: we know the reverse smear tactic. Got it months ago. Try something new

On the other hand, I'm a bit worried that the (necessary) meta diaries around MYDD at the moment are the sign that site is on terminal life support. I don't think this is true, and I think we can bring it back, but there is are worrying echoes of things in this essay How Blogs Die

There are two general signs that a blog is heading toward extinction. The first is a declining frequency of posting, and the second is a proportional rise in the number of posts about the blog itself.

Sound familiar?

Perhaps the people calling everyone else trolls, have become trolls themselves.....

This one is classic Tertiary Trolling.  Just frickin' hillarious!

Mojo to the person below for Troll Gap.  The diary I just linked is a clear case of trolling of such low quality that it is no doubt destined to sap and impurify our Precious Bodily Fluids.  I'm tempted to make a sockpuppet and start trolling just to improve the breed..

-chris

Anyone who slams Clinton OR Obama in a diary meant only to incite others out to be banned immediately and the diary deleted.  

People slamming Obama are attacking our candidate.

People slamming Clinton are doing so just to keep the sores open.

Fargin' idiots all.  

1. in revieing my comment history, i noticed that some of my comments in response to some trollish behavior have been deleted.  does this mean that this person has been banned?  if someone gets banned does their entire posting history get deleted?

I ask because while this particular behavior was rather ugly, it really seems tame compared to some diaries currently on the list. is there a method to this madness?

2.  how does one go about contacting admin to report trolls?  any advice on how to be most effective in that endeavor?
                                           

Study this, and study it well:

http://www.adequacy.org/

Very funny diary.  I will post something I just wrote on another thread.

Re: Politicizing the Government Gets Personal (none / 0)

<Agreed. I believe that Democrats have been co-opted and have just given in to the corporate forces that influence/control the repugs. Thus, in some ways, I almost hate them as much as repugs. I actually agree with some of the crankier elements around here that want to hold Obama to the fire as well as all of our other elected Dems. </p>

Now this does create a problem for us. The Democrats are the Big Tent Party, with wildly divergent interests. This can make us look weak and disorganized. Add to this, the capitulation of our party leaders to repugs and corporate interests, and the fairly successful effort by the repugs to intimidate us through phony conservative movements and the MSM, the Dems DO seem very weak and disorganized.

Now, if we really want to take our country back, how do we change this?>

and maybe more relevant to this thread, what is the difference between trolling, honest disagreements between the left, and honest debate between partisan?

The first is silly and I start thinking of the weather and recipis when I see these. The other two are tougher, because we are The Big Tent Party and there will be disagreements, and on the other side, there is a political fight that we must win. I think our side is (mostly) correct and the other side is (mostly) wrong. However, we can not stop talking to the latter two elements. I have not figured all of this out and hope that my muddled thoughts will inspire some discussion. I, unfortunately, must work away from the computer for most of the day, but I will eagerly check in later.

Holli

...Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh blew their troll whistles and their minions slunk back into the swamp.

The Feb-June primary wars at MyDD were special, wonderful, and unlikely to be replicated.  What made MyDD a political junkie's version of MTV reality dating shows like "I Love New York" or "Rock of Love" was it's comparatively even match of Clinton and Obama supporters and their mix of sincere and insincere trollery.  You could go to Talk Left and get the Clinton Line, Kos for the Obama side, but only at MyDD were the diaries really a place for a pitched battle of ideas, innuendo, and outrage.  There were some star performers like Alegre but also a cast of hundreds of occasional commenters.  You could never really know who was having fun by parodying the other team's partisans and who meant it and was probably downing shots, crying a river, and/or punching their keyboards as they typed.

Initially I found the whole thing disturbing as it took MyDD off its course as a clearing house for progressive politics.  But after awhile the diaries became addictive, not unlike watching the next elimination of a love-seeking doofus by a badly damaged pseudo-celebrity.  

Now that the nomination has been settled the hothouse of the diary battles has cooled down considerably and many of the key combatants have moved on, as was often predicted.  

I have nostalgia for the theater-of-the-absurd quality of the primary wars, but I prefer the return to MyDD normality, which is here to stay.  The tran wreck circus of the primary blogging won't come back by trying to lure McCainiacs to the site. Despite claims by their foes, few of the primary warriors were McCain trolls.  McCain-ites   won't come here to play because McCain-ites have the same investment in their candidate as the Clinton and Obama supporters did, and therefore lack the stamina for near-constant posts and replies to ever-more obscure perceived insults or arcane electoral forecasting.  

Of course it never would have happened without Jerome, who took up the Clinton cudgels, balanced by the rest of the frontpagers who were more measured.  Jerome intentionally or inadvertently opened the space up for some great entertainment.    For that he deserves thanks from all of us because, deep down, you know we loved the show.

And now, back to beating the GOP.

Makes one question the LA Times/Bloomberg poll.

If I had known several months ago that come June,
--Gas would be $4 per gallon
--Bush at historic lows in popularity
--Economy worsening daily

and then you told me that the polls were close, or even in the 10% spread range...

Well, I'd have said then that such a scenario could only happen if the Democrats nominated as seriously flawed candidate.