Mainly because I love keeping TU status so I can laugh at the hidden comments (always hilarious!)

Rec'd.

is that good people believe the bullshit that Clinton said anything wrong during the primaries.

Otherwise very good diary!

So what you are saying is that Bill Clinton is unfit emotionally to seperate business from personal agenda. While he is doing a lot of good in his "Elder Statesman years" we still have to look at the fact that Bill Clinton has some anger issues. Those issues kept secret during his presidency, do not seem to serve him well in years as an elder statesman.He is not wholly but at least partially responsible for the fracture, and divide in this Party.

I don't think I can give Big Dog any kudos just yet but I will say that I was very impressed by Chelsea this campaign season.  I hope she can get back on the campaign trail after the convention.  She did a great job at the colleges.  

I will always love the Clintons - no doubt about it.  Sure, Bill gets heated, but this was for his wife.  I'd be pissed too.  I, as a Clinton supporter, still find myself struggling with the Obama message, and thus I can totally understand Bill's reluctance to do much for Obama as of yet.  But, I think he'll come around.

Crossposted at BIG ORANGE SEXY TIME HIGH FIVE!

I LOL'd.

You know, I had all sorts of quibbles with this diary -- just minor ones, but quibbles none the lest -- until I read this: just look at how marvelous Chelsea turned out.

And that just puts everything else in perspective.  Nice diary.  Recced.

I voted for Bill Clinton the first time with optimism and a sense that he was going to be a great president.

I voted for him the second time, after his denial of the genocide in Rwanda, and after some other terrible policy failures, holding my nose.

I always really liked Hillary Clinton and voted for her for senator, but in examining why I did not automatically vote for her in the primary, Bill's failings came up front and center.  He dismantled part of the New Deal structure that kept the financial markets safe.  He called the genocide in Rwanda genocide-like.  I know it is not popular to mention his personal failings but his behavior as a man (not president, man) was sexist and degrading to his family.  

He has a great mind in service to a needy personality.  He could have been a fantastic presiddent but something in his character prevented that.  

One other thing:  As far as Chelsea who seems like a lovely young woman.  What father, what good father, puts his kid though the public scrutiny of his sex life with someone about her age.  I can't imagine a lousier thing to do to your family.  

This is not being written to pointlessly trash Bill Clinton, he has many good qualities and some things flourished during his presidency.  Let's just not romanticize this man though.  

I believe Hillary would have been a much better president than her husband and support her for VP.  I don't think her alliance/marriage has helped her a great deal though.  

I particularly like your Update on DKOS, great chuckle-fodder.

My own modification (since I missed the "worshipping" bit) would just be to add that both sides can afford to be gracious.  That's why the meme of "gracious loser" is as honorable as "gracious winner", but certainly the winners have an easier job of it.

Recced.

-chris

Yes, finally, someone who admits that Bill C is awesome.  Yes, the burden is on the winners to be cordial and forgiving, not the loosers, especially in this instance when so much was done to destroy the opponent personally.

For folks who just can't give up detesting the Clintons, they will never see this side of things, never understand what your point is, and never admit anything good from the Clinton years.

For the folks who were not Obama supporters and still have not resolved to do so, they will never acknowledge any Clinton gaffe, nor any Obama positive trait.  Perhaps they will come to their senses, perhaps not.  It's as useless to dwell on PUMA types as it is to dwell on Wright types.

Personally, I know that Bill will eventually endorse Obama, but I would rather he sit this one out and become a statesman, leaving all the things he could do to help the DNC and the Dmeocratic party undone.  It's not that I don't want the help of a powerhouse like BIll, it's that I feel his help is definitely NOT deserved this time around.  He has every right to feel 'dissed', because he has been.

I wish Bill Clinton had stayed out of the primaries entirely.  There's simply no way Bill Clinton could reconcile four things: the presumption of respect which Americans readily given their ex-presidents (which is supposed to be bipartisan and is for the office); the level of deference which Dems are supposed to give to their party elders (esp. former presidents);  the divisiveness which results when politicians endorse in a highly-competitive primary; the fact that Clinton was endorsing his wife (because you're right, who expects anyone to be objective about family?).

And the thing is, I don't think this would have hurt Hillary Clinton at all.  It's difficult to imagine Bill Clinton's staying out of the fray, but it would be nice if he recognized that the situation was problematic by its very nature.  

dKos for the first time in many months, I see from the comments to your diary that nothing has really changed over there.

Still not time to re-engage with that community, I guess.

It all depends on what your definition of 'awesome' is, I suppose.

Good diary, the comment section looks like a bloodbath though.  Geeesh.  Good thing many of these posters aren't politicians, they'd never make it.  Bill, Hillary, and Barack are moving on together to get dems back in control to clean up this mess the Bush Adminstration made and you'd think Dems would be ecstatic about the fact that we are polling high and generating a unified buzz around the country while McCain and GOP are scrambling away from each other.

Thank you for this gracious diary. I imagine over half of the Bill haters are too young to haver remembered his presidency.

the Clinton years. I do remember how much I admired him as a kid and it was because of his administration and good times that really converted me to become a Democrat. (well that and the fact that my parents were HUGE Clinton supporters) I only wish I would have been able to participate during those political cycles. But Barack is right, it is no longer the 90's. We live in a very different world and it is time to turn the page on all the distractions of the 1990's. But that is not to say Bill and Hillary Clinton are irrelevant, it means that in order to move forward we can not be beholden to the conflicts and arguments of the 90's.

Very good diary and rec'd

Bill Clinton was a damn fine president for his era, he get's a lot of points for it. But that era is over now and he loses a lot for his behavior in the primary, espeicailly his playing of the race card.

I'm willing to chalk a lot of that up to good old fashioned campaigning, but he continues to lose lustre for his very weak and tepid statement of "support" for Obama this week. I'll grant that he needed some time to lick his wounds, but he's had that time and now he needs stop feeling sorry for himself and get with the program.

It's time for all of us to come together, even Bill Clinton.

Not going to bother increasing their ever-lengthening threads, but here goes.

Plenty of Obama supporters have gotten banned from MyDD, and a sizeable number of those deserved it. The same goes for Clinton supporters.

It's unfortunate that not all those banned deserved it, but that's what the recent amnesty diary was for.

But anyone who thinks Obama supporters didn't troll-rate other Obama supporters when they said super-offensive shit, and that we all deserve to be held accountable for each other, is f**ing on crack.

And now that the primaries are over, some of you babies are going to need to get used to the idea of civility. Now that the vast majority of Democrats are on the same page, you simply can't get away with lies and distortions and sheer a*holery because we're not divided anymore. Criticism is the healthy functioning of democracy - go ahead. I'm talking about Obama, Hillary, and Bill here.

If you hate any of these people with a fiery passion, and can't contain your inflammatory rhetoric, MyDD will survive without your pageviews.

I think he needs to get fully behind the nominee a bit sooner than November. How much political grieving time do you think he needs? A week? A month? There's an election to win.