Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolute Dictatorship:

by indydem99, Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:46:23 AM EST

Enough already you Effing Obambots get lost! BTW I am not talking about Obama supporters. I am specifically talking about Obambots that oppose dissent and act like the Taliban's "moral police". They come out of wood work calling every one that disagrees with them "racists", "dead enders" and "Trolls". Haven't we had enough of Republican Taliban? Obambots seem to think that dissent of any kind is not acceptable. As a good Democrat I would do the right thing by Obama in November but if you think I would kiss his ass and express no dissent you may as well forget it.

It is a fact that Sen. Obama has flip flopped on NAFTA, withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Campaign finance. Sen. McCain has flip flopped on many more issues. The bottom line is I support Obama because he happens to be our SOB and not theirs. End of story. I do not need to rewrite Obama's biography every time I support him.




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Concern troll is concerned (1.79 / 24)

Got it.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:49:05 AM EST

Rec'd by: (1.85 / 7)

RonK Seattle
souvarine
BRockNYC
indus
grlpatriot
moevaughn
engels
emsprater
RedstateLib
Ignored and Disgusted
kosnomore
whothere

Engels still has rate/rec privileges?  Yeah, I won't hold my breath for Jerome to remove these peoples' ratings abilities for rec'ing personal attacks and derogatory Republican nicknames ("Obamabot").  Obama supporters' rec privileges were pulled for rec'ing far less acerbic content back during the primaries, though.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:44:01 AM EST
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I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (2.00 / 1)

Read the Diary again.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:48:51 AM EST
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Go back to FreeRepublic. (1.83 / 6)


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:50:41 AM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (1.87 / 8)

Yeah - watch me write a diary about "Clintonazis" and see how well that's received.

Your diary, and mine, would work as a quick intelligence test; anyone who recs either is a moron.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:24:08 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (2.00 / 10)

btw, can anyone point out a decent diary to rec so we can get this pos off the front page?  I know, I'm acting like a total secret muslim, but I can't help it.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:26:42 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (1.66 / 6)

That sounds an awful lot like white supremacist "not all black people are n***s" line. Troll off.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:29:05 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (1.75 / 4)

I was thinking the same thing.  Or "not all gay people are fags" or "no, I'm talking about bull-dykes, not lesbians...

Since Obama supporters are not a historically oppressed group, it's not really comparable but  for one thing - it allows people to use offensive words and engage in group smearing.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:37:52 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (2.00 / 3)

It's just weak-minded cover when you know you're shooting your mouth off but can't control yourself.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:44:21 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (2.00 / 1)

I see that KnowVox is back, and in fine ratings-abuse form.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:00:52 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (1.66 / 3)

Dead-ender, take your comments to hillaryis44.org


by stevens7139 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:04:57 PM EST
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Re: I do not call Obama supporters Obmbots! (2.00 / 0)

Not all Clinton supporters are dead-enders.

Now I'm going to go right a diary about how I can't stand dead-enders who come to this website, rec diaries, spread smears and leave, and if any Clinton supporter complains I'll just say I wasn't talking about them.


by MeganLocke on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:47:54 PM EST
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I was going to ignore it, but ... (1.37 / 8)

... the first few comments so strongly affirmed its premise that I ended up reccing it.


¡Si, soy PUMA!
by RonK Seattle on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:00:11 PM EST
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Like you tolerate dissent (1.83 / 6)

on your pro-McCain shitstain of a website.

Your kind ain't welcome here.


by Geekesque on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:35:07 PM EST
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Glad you brought that up. (1.75 / 4)

1. The Confluence is not a pro-McCain website.

2. The Confluence is a refuge you and like-minded made necessary, through your totalitarian determination to dictate orthodoxy by repressing expression of divergent thought.

3. In order that we may continue discuss our own views within this refuge, it's necessary to enforce stie standards vigorously against trolls, vandals and insult artists.

4. As large numbers of more aggressive disrupters have taken interest in the site, using universally-despised tactics such as sockpuppetry, it has been necessary to apply increasingly low tolerance to suspect posts.

5. You're not authorized to determine who is or isn't welcome here, any more than you are to play Thread Boss at The Confluence ... are you?


¡Si, soy PUMA!
by RonK Seattle on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:28:38 PM EST
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Re: Glad you brought that up. (1.50 / 2)

I don't mean to tell you your business, but shouldn't you be out collecting donations to free the political prisoner Larry Sinclair and examining Barack Obama's birth certificate to prove that he was actually a genetically enhanced suicide bomber created by the Taliban?  Come on PUMA, let's hear you roar!  Enough with this wussy blog stuff.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:25:34 PM EST
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Confluence's--and your-- one purpose is to defeat (1.75 / 4)

Barack Obama and enable the election of John McCain as President.

That's it.

So, yes, people willing to screw the environment, the Constitution, and our soldiers in Iraq do face an incredibly hostile atmosphere in progressive circles.

Whether this makes you a loyal McCainiac or merely one of his useful idiots is immaterial.

You are supporting Bush's tax cuts.  

You are supporting the continuation of the war in Iraq, and the start of a war with Iran.

You are supporting 2-3 more Alito's on the Supreme Court.

You are opposing meaningful healthcare reform.

Your candidate lost a primary race, and you don't care if you have to punish the entire planet to exact your petty, pathological need for revenge.

You are the enemy, regardless of what sophistry-cated bullcrap you spew on behalf of it.

Your agenda is anathema to all things progressive.


by Geekesque on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:30:56 PM EST
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Deliberate, slanderous falsehood (1.00 / 0)

"Friends don't let friends vote Republican"

That's riverdaughter's byword. (rd is proprietress of The Confluence.)

Geekesque believes politics is a dirty business, and plays in only one way -- dirty.

Oddly enough, the entire conservative/Republican movement depends on the general populous joining in this beleif, which predisposes them to eschew the inputs, process and outputs of politics (civic engagement, electoral participation, public debate, taxes, regulation, programs, public works and public services) and leave collective judgments to apathy and/or the market.

Progressive political change, on the other hand, depends on reservoirs of popular trust in these same elements.

Geekesque is determined to win one race (or even one argument) by deceit and abuse, even if it means poisoning the wellsprings of progressivism.


¡Si, soy PUMA!
by RonK Seattle on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:33:15 PM EST
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These are your words. Choke on them. (2.00 / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/11/1 805/48884/216

<Yes, I support McCain over Obama (none / 0)</p>

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/8/15 1450/1048/225


 For similar reasons, I'll oppose Obama for any office, any time, ever ... and McCain will have my vote IF Obama is the nominee.

You are a de facto Republican.  


by Geekesque on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 08:53:42 AM EST
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Duck and dodge, cut and paste (1.00 / 0)

As is your habit.

You left this out:

I support progressive politics. I believe Obama will do irreparable harm to progressive politics, whereas McCain will only be another horrible POTUS in another dreary interval of divided government.

Now, what does this have to do with your slander against The Confluence?


¡Si, soy PUMA!
by RonK Seattle on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 11:58:59 AM EST
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You're a McCain supporter. (2.00 / 0)

The window dressing you apply to it is irrelevant.  One side sit Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton, and on the other side sits Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay.

You're sitting between Newt and The Hammer.


by Geekesque on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:10:21 PM EST
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Does this make your lies ethical? (1.00 / 0)

You foul your own nest.


¡Si, soy PUMA!
by RonK Seattle on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:50:44 PM EST
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Re: I was going to ignore it, but ... (2.00 / 1)

Uh, guy, you've got 'ass' in you sig.


by MeganLocke on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:48:11 PM EST
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Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 18)

and lose the dogwhistle extremist tags.

I read this place a lot, and I have not seen any Obama supporter call anyone a racist (ever?  Certainly not in recent memory).

It is impossible to dicate an open forum, fortunately.  Speak your mind, but don't be surprised if you use "Obamabot", "act like the Taliban" and "calling everyone racist" that people react strongly.  Haven't you ever had a conversation with folks who don't already hold your posistions?  Did you shout at them, too, and if so how did that work out?

Sorry, while I am massively in favor of active discussion, there is no way I can call your shouting assertive name-calling dogwhistling an effort in that direction. I was here when it was a sin to support Obama, and I did not use your tone against Sen. Clinton's most fervent supporters (or "supporters").  It's no way to conserse whatsoever.

Pot, meet kettle.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:00:47 AM EST

Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (1.14 / 14)

I have not seen any Obama supporter call anyone a racist

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh, that's a good one.  tell me another!


I am sick of the disrespect shown to Sen.Clinton by many on Dailykos, and now, too often, here. You aren't winning hearts and minds.
by SoCalVet on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:46:41 AM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 9)

Instead of this useless comment, you could have provided a link (or multiple links) to actual evidence (comments that call people racist) to support your position. If they're as plentiful as your comment insinuates, it should not be a particularly difficult task.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:53:24 AM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 4)

Are  you serious there were continual charges of racism against the Clintons and their supporters all spring. Because I'm a democrat I'm going to be supporting Obama but spare us the hypocisy about the nonsense spouted here on his behalf. And as for the first amendment issue I agree entirely. The Obamanauts turned Kos into a little stalinist politburo and it's not needed here. If folks want to express their opinions they should  be allowed to without the Obama thought police jumping all over them. If they are completely stupid in attacking Obama and some of them are who is going to pay any attention.    


by ottovbvs on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:26:37 AM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 3)

I wasn't here all spring. As such, all I see is a claim of something being very widespread without proof of its existence in any form. I'm not saying it didn't happen, since I wasn't here to witness it, I'm simply saying that proclaiming "continual charges of racism" is only justified when you can back it up with evidence.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:41:45 AM EST
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Otto, you know by now .... (2.00 / 2)

that any person who posts anything that is not in rousing praise of Obama, even if they have proclaimed their intent to vote for him, they are considered a liar if they do not provide a link.  Hell, we can state that there was a moon out last night and be told that unless we provide a link, that it did not happen.

That's how sad the discourse has become around here for folks who weren't Obama cheerleaders from day one.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:10:37 AM EST
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Re: Otto, you know by now .... (2.00 / 4)

Sources are for fascists!


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:25:20 PM EST
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Re: Otto, you know by now .... (2.00 / 4)

really?  I think links are probably necessary when the charge is of that magnitude, dontcha think?  Plus you dont need links for things that everyone knows.  Like,  fire burns - no link vs  this person called 17 people racists in the past two days - yeah, need some links for that


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:36:44 PM EST
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Disagree (2.00 / 9)

There weren't continuous charges of racism against the Clintons and her supporters on this site all spring. There were discussions of racial issues in the Clinton campaign. There were a shit ton of Clinton supporters who responded to these discussions by assuming that the discussion itself had as its goal to declare them racist. Over and over and over again a Clinton supporter would write "I'm tired of being told I'm racist because I'm not voting for Obama" and over and over again Obama supporters would ask for an example of that Clinton supporter being told they were racist for not voting for Obama. Examples were rarely provided, and when they were they usually involved the poster saying something, well, at the very least racially problematic.

The notion that all Clinton supporters were constantly being accused of racism on this site is one of the stronger collective delusions I've witnessed. It just wasn't happening. They would bring it up constantly, but I never saw a post accusing a Clinton supporter of being racist because they didn't vote for Obama, (rather than, say, because they wrote a diary about uppity black men). Maybe it happened once and then it turned into the "vietnam vets spit on in airports" of this primary campaign, where despite the lack of documentation people come to believe that the experience was common.


by Mobar on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:18:50 AM EST
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Re: Disagree (1.66 / 6)

Hard core Clintonistas claim they hav been spit on this primary season by Obama suporters.

And BTW, I called Catfish2 a racist because she is one.


by Is This Snark on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:07:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll match you reference for ref (2.00 / 13)

if you want...

this one by redstatelib is a clear and resonable statement about wanting to rid the world of sexism, by one of the most vociferous folks claiming to have supported Sen. Clinton:

Let's face it if Obama had a Pair of Balls he would not have needed the sexism that was used against Hillary. But when a man doesn't even wear the pants in his family he has to act like a mans man when he goes out in public. He lapped up every word of it! They call it overcompensating.

Here's a direct "sexist Obama" comment.

Here's a direct accusation against Obama supporters - Obama supporters are sexist and violent.

Here's one against Sen. Obama himself

And another.

And another.

And another.

Your turn.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:13:39 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (1.45 / 11)

VENICIAN - IF you're dissent against Obama- You are a Racist (** "alive" - that's me he addresses below):

Venician quote: "I'm begining to think what "alive"  is really concerned about is a black man having all the power that has usually been reserved for white men. White men from the south appear to be running scared these day of just what will a black man do with all that power, and will he use it to exact revenge against the slave states."


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:59:49 AM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (1.80 / 5)

How much did you pay VENICIAN to write that?  This is bout the 20th time you have posted it.  
 
Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:02:44 AM EST
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Wow, even when links are ... (2.00 / 2)

provided, they are summarily dismissed by the folks who simply will not submit that reality is 'real'.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:14:08 AM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 4)

Gee, are you still trying to push my comment about your fears. I accused you of being afraid not of being a racist, and it was in relation to your entire posting history here and not on one diary. But you know that and are just trying to rile people up, AS USUAL.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:37:07 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (1.50 / 2)

do the back stroke now. But you posted that about me in a dairy asking for FISA be filibuster by obama.

why don't you have the guts to stand by your intent i.e if you dont buy a set of knee pads for obama like you, you are a racist white man.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:37:25 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (1.80 / 5)

I'll happily admit calling texasdarlin and teresain PA racists - but then, they are, as their subsequent deranged postings at NoQuarter and the like have proved.  


by interestedbystander on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:34:12 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 5)

But they are.

I want a link to where anyone anywhere called the Clintons racist.  I haven't seen it, but I've heard people complain about it.  Oh god do they complain.

Of course Barack Obama and Michelle Obama are constantly accused of sexism.  This isn't even the most recent example, but right after Larry Sinclair held his disastrous press-conference, NoQuarter, where TeresainPA and SoCal hang out and burn crosses were scrambling for more dirt.  The best they could come up with?

Barack Obama had copies of Maxim on his plane.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:44:08 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (none / 0)

the diary that I was called out and was taunted by another poster here to call him a n**** was deleted.

but I remember it and several people came to my defense.

it was horrific.


by colebiancardi on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:03:25 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (none / 0)

I'm sure it was.

Are you aware of the joke that "it's not racist unless you say the n word"?  Used when someone starts ranting about racial stuff and no one calls them on it or they're defended.  Think Harriet Christian - I might make the joke "hey, it's not racist.  She never used the 'n' word!"

(There's also "the Mark Fuhrman exception" - that's "It's not racist if there's any other even slightly plausible explanation.")

I know your posting history pretty well though; I can't imagine anyone accusing you of racism.  And I'm sure you understand why people think SoCal is, well, she doesn't think very higly of non-whites.


by MeganLocke on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:54:14 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (none / 0)

Not a fan of objectifying humans, as I have diared and said often enough.

Even is someone does harbor biased thoughts, you cannot sway them by stamping them with a label.

Hate the sin, love the sinnner.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:23:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hello (none / 0)

send me an email if and when you get a chance.  I have an idea that I would like to bounce off you.

lincfd(at)gmail(dot)com


by linc on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 02:36:02 AM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (2.00 / 1)

OMG - I was called that and the poster was daring me to call him a n***

and yes, that was within the last month of the primaries.


by colebiancardi on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:55:40 PM EST
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Re: Good grief, get the chip off your shoulder (none / 0)

If it makes you feel any better I got called 'a misogynist' a bunch of times when I had a gender neutral username.


by MeganLocke on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:55:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Andwhile I am here (2.00 / 12)

If you are such a strong Democrat, why haven't you or anyone else arguing your point made a single positive comment to future Congressman Welsh on his diary right here?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/23/2344 30/090

Here's a guy that can use our support, and he came here to talk to us.  If you care about MyDD like I do, then you would drop in, Rec him, and give him some words of encouragement.

-chris


Donate!
by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:03:06 AM EST

Thanks for bringing to my attention! (1.50 / 6)

I recced the diary.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:07:55 AM EST
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Re: Thanks for bringing to my attention! (2.00 / 5)

Thanks!  That kind of thing is what we should be about.

Mojoed. ;-)


Donate!
by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:15:08 AM EST
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Re: Thanks for bringing to my attention! (1.40 / 5)

I'll take this as a tip jar for your crybaby diary.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:01:10 AM EST
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Re: Obambots (2.00 / 5)

A flip flop is what George H.W. Bush did on taxes, or McCain did on immigration, and it's just not reasonable to argue as if Obama's conduct on NAFTA, Iraq, or campaign finance rises to this level (esp. since the first two allegations are sourced, essentially, to the comments of advisers which have appeared in unfriendly media, and the third is something we've known would happen for quite some time, and we could have an argument about whether Obama ever gave the pledge you seem to think he did).  

Of the three, the NAFTA story, to me, is the, well, funniest, because the whole accusation is grounded in Clinton's pandering gymnastics during the primaries.  It's a simple issue, really.  Do you think any Democrat would withdraw the US from NAFTA?  Will never happen (and to the extent Clinton held this out as a possibility to some voters, well, you got taken in, she would have never done this).  Should aspects of the NAFTA treaty be renegotiated, though?  This is boilerplate.  Obama has said nothing which should lead one to conclude he wouldn't do this.

   


by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:13:28 AM EST

Re: Obambots (none / 0)

It appears that withdrawing from agreements won't be necessary to end the global economy.  High energy costs will do that for us.

I recently heard on the radio that a battery manufacturer in Ohio had moved most of it's operations to Mexico.  Well, it's back in Ohio.  Why?  They figured out that the high cost of transportation from Mexico to their market WAS NOT offset by low labor rates in Mexico.

Regarding shipping cheap goods from China.  In the year 2001, the cost to ship a container load of goods from China was around $2000.  Today it is over $8000.  If oil goes to $200/barrel, the cost will be $13,000.

High fuel cost is an unforeseen side effect of global trade, with business running anywhere and everywhere for cheap labor.  Among all these geniuses, none of them saw it coming.  Interestingly enough, an average idiot like me predicted it years ago.  And the investment houses are filled with fools that believe that the huge growth in these emerging markets will continue unabated while demand continues to skyrocket.  We'll see about that.

And on topic with the original post, I have pretty much stopped posting on blogs.  I got tired of being told by Obama supporters to not let the door hit me in the azz on the way out...


by Dave B on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:34:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

yawn, you'll be back (none / 0)

that's what I believe ;-)

I know a friend who picked up some tool and die stuff for a song.

Now the real question is what we're going to do with all the subprime houses in the exurbs.

)the demand continuing in China/India is a question based on whether or not they have enough consumer power at home(


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:56:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Your concerns have been noted (2.00 / 6)

nt


by libertyleft on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:15:23 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy (2.00 / 22)

"I'm going to compare some anonymous internet posters to the Taliban, and then decry their lack of perspective and objectivity WHILE COMPARING THEM TO THE TALIBAN."


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:29:14 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy (2.00 / 5)

Heh.  Well done!


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:55:29 AM EST
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Obambots (2.00 / 9)

I do not see these people of whom you speak.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:30:26 AM EST

totally obvious (2.00 / 10)

This type of post is so totally obvious in it's attempt to sow disunity, that I'm not even going to comment about it.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:44:18 AM EST

Re: totally obvious (2.00 / 1)

But didnt you just comment?
by anujtron on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:02:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: totally obvious (none / 0)

But only to say I'm not going to comment, so it's not really a comment, even though it's a comment. i hope this comment clears up the issue of the non-comment-comment.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 10:13:37 AM EST
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"Son of a bitch"?!?! (2.00 / 10)

Sexism is still alive and well I see.


by HardWorkingWhitePerson on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:45:41 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 7)

Boring.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:49:48 AM EST

this made the wreck list (1.92 / 14)

with 5 recs.  fucking pathetic

souvarine
grlpatriot
RedstateLib
Ignored and Disgusted
whothere


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by annatopia on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:54:49 AM EST

Re: this made the wreck list (2.00 / 8)

Big surprise since GrlPatriot is a known McCain operative.

Funny how there was a day when McCain advocates were warned they would be banned.

Lotta respect for Todd, but they went soft.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:33:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 10)

This made the rec list?

Can you please up the snark? I loved the bit about moral Taliban.


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by duende on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:54:59 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy (1.00 / 3)

Yes It is ridiculous nonsense to respond to any post criticizing Obama with "dogwhistle." WTF is that? All the obamabots should stop it!


by whothere on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:59:42 AM EST

Respectufly disagree (2.00 / 5)

We have to have a lexicon of some sort, and "dogwhistle" is a word that fits accurately and fairly, imho.

DogWhistles raise hackles.  There are sets of words/phrases that are sure to raise hackles, and the use of which is sure to kill honest debate.  I think I know which ones not to use with those who supported Sen. Clinton's primary battle, and with some exceptions those dogwhistles aren't blown very often. I can say from my personal perspective that there are a number of dogwhistles that are surefire hackle-raisers, and that these are used early and often.  This diary contains several.

It's like if I walked into the livingroom of a friend's house who was a southern hunting and fishing good ole fellow, all his buddies were sitting there playing poker, and I said:

"Hey guys. I was just wondering how you all felt about the fact that rednecks are such a bunch of hate filled racists?  Does it make you feel funny knowing that everyone understands that you are ignorant uneducated bigots?  I'd love to talk to you about your views on the failures your white-trash parents made raising you so I can avoid making them myself."

ummm...   Might not be the best opener...

-chris


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:58:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing (2.00 / 4)

To the extent that some here have been, shall we say, overzealous in weeding out those who are here under false pretenses, fine you've got a point.

But let's not pretend you've been particularly warm and fuzzy yourself.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:00:22 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy (1.83 / 6)

recced with 5 people.

Geez.

That'll show the Baquack Obamailures


by heyhellowhatsnew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:01:57 AM EST

Just checking before I HR you (2.00 / 2)

Was that snark or did you just manage to insult Sen. Obama and every single person supporting him?


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:07:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The price of snark is eternal vifiliance ;-) (2.00 / 3)

ok, just looked at your other comments. my bad.

"The snark in this one strong is."

-chris


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:20:03 AM EST
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Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 9)

It is a fact that Sen. Obama has flip flopped on NAFTA, withdrawal of troops from Iraq and Campaign finance.
It's a fact, huh?  Then you should have no problem linking me to the clear, unqualified, unarguable contradictions in his statements on those matters.  Anything that can be explained or understood in a larger context or nuance does not qualify, because you are making a statement of fact - and on matters like this, facts need to be things that are unarguable and objectively so.

Support your claims, retract them, or be known as a liar.  Your choice.


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by mistersite on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:09:43 AM EST

How does this make the Rec. List? (1.87 / 16)

Has MyDD been completely taken over by Republican Operaiton Chaos types?


by nightsweat on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:23:01 AM EST

well from the troll rating (1.90 / 10)

That's one identified.


by nightsweat on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:28:11 AM EST
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Re: well from the troll rating (1.77 / 9)

Yes pretty sad.

Watch out for GrlPatriot, she works for the McCAin front "PUMA"


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:35:19 AM EST
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I cut grlpatriot slack notwhistanding (1.75 / 4)

her Alegre Cult membership card.

Think she is a sincere Offended Post Primary person.

Amazingly hard to tell the difference, though.  This whole Verifiying Veracity in the Blogosphere issue has me mulling bigtime...


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:50:49 AM EST
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Re: I cut grlpatriot slack notwhistanding (2.00 / 9)

Dude, look at her post yesterday, she was confirming she was 100% with PUMA, and she is voting for McCain.

Now maybe she might be faking it, but I stopped at the former smear merchant of this site, TD and there was GRLpatriot, talking Puma strategies.   She does the same at Riverdaughter.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:09:46 AM EST
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Re: I cut grlpatriot slack notwhistanding (2.00 / 3)

Yeah, the PUMA tag is accurate, thought after I wrote that I wasn't really clear.  I very much doubt she is a (is there a descriptive phrase yet?) "GOP PUMA?" (PUMA plant?  Fake PUMA?).

The whole topic is confusing.  I wobble back and forth between "well, you are working against me so take that!" to "maybe there is a conversation to be had with a possible positive outcome"...

In battle you in the end have to identify who is on your side and who is not, but it doesn't mean hating the other side's soldiers.  I have a hard time feeling personally negative about grlpatriot, but if it comes to an exchange of fire I won't be waving a white flag either.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:41:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

TRed with no explanation, Xov Wonk? (2.00 / 0)

Interesting.


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:06:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why is this on the rec list? (2.00 / 13)

And don't you think calling people "Obamabots" is just as offensive as calling someone a "dead-ender"?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:24:05 AM EST

Thank you so much for your vote for Sen. Obama. (2.00 / 1)

That's the right attitude to have if you dislike him.


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:26:33 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 7)

Diarist's point aside, does anyone else find the term "Obambots" (or "Obamatons," etc.) EXTREMELY condescending and offensive?  What is this Free Republic?

I realize the diarist is trying to draw a distinction between the "good" Obama supporters and the big bad "Obambots," but I think use of the term at all should be considered trolling.

I'm all for a debate on the issues and heathy criticism of our candidate, but can we quit with the childish name calling?


by agl25 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:29:27 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 3)

For a diary that began with "Enough already you Effing Obambots get lost!" and ended by calling our nominee an SOB, you're being too kind.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:59:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't necessarily agree with the way you (2.00 / 4)

presented your case, but I do generally agree with your message and I do see that two of the most egregious offenders showed up in the comments pretty quickly.


by aggieric on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:29:44 AM EST

i wan just about to say the same thing. (2.00 / 3)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:33:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yea! I'm an agregious offender! (2.00 / 4)

Better to be misread than not read at all, I suppose.

:-)

-chris


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by chrisblask on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:47:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You weren't on my list, actually. (none / 0)

But I'll be happy to start keepin' an eye out for ya! :-p


by aggieric on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:37:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into (2.00 / 13)

I feel like I walked into the middle of an argument between a crazy person and a fire hydrant.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:36:42 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into (2.00 / 2)

The fire hydrant always wins those arguments.



McCain
by Black Anus on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:26:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, not if the hydrant is in argument with a (none / 0)

crazy dog.


by Geekesque on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:43:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure it does. (none / 0)

It gets peed on, but it isn't the one that scampers off growling.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:53:38 PM EST
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And for those that don't follow crazy talk... (2.00 / 2)

...here's an abridged translation:

1. I'm concerned that when I call people "effing Obambots" and tell them to "get lost", they neither obey my dictums nor acknowledge my rhetorical brilliance.

2. I'm concerned that my personal views and fantasies aren't blindly accepted as fact.

3. I'm concerned that my claims about their name calling aren't given much credence despite my own compulsive name calling.

4. I'm concerned when I can't refute just about compelling point deeply incisive comebacks like "youse guys did Hillary worse, so there!"

5. Mostly I'm concerned that whenever I come across fire hydrants, I just see RED.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:32:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ask your mommy (2.00 / 6)

To put your binkie back in your mouth and take your computer away for a week.  

This piece of shit made the Rec list?  Damn place has gone to the dogs.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:58:53 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (1.90 / 10)

Hey Indydem, how about fuck you? Fuck you and your condescending, fact free, bitter, woe-is-me, pathetic diary.

You and your ilk are always just itching for a fight, aren't ya?

What kind of asshole cries and pisses and moans about being treated badly and at the same time accuses people of being robots and likens them to the Taliban?

Apparently, Indydem is just that kind of asshole.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:59:44 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 2)

Opinions are like Assholes, MYdd is full of both :)

du dun chhhh  (sound effects)


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:07:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And both opinions and assholes... (2.00 / 3)

... are frequently full of the same brown substance.

Take this diary, as a case in point.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:55:54 AM EST
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Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 1)

Isn't that precious?  If someone gets mad and tells an Obama supporter to 'fuck off', they get HR into oblivion, yet tell someone who is making a point not so in favor of Obama to 'fuck off' and you get mojo out the rectum!

Hallelujah!  


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:24:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 3)

John in Chicago actually said 'fuck you' not 'fuck off' to Indydem, so they must be good buddies.

Love the intended double irony of your rectum mention. I'm mojoing you both for managing to spin a fight out of such unpromising dross.

This diary is funnier than Ragekage's snark


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:42:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 5)

I can only speak for myself...

I gave him Mojo because I agree with him; this diary doesn't belong on the rec list.  The artful way in which he said it only made the rating easier to give.  You have to see the humor in it, I suppose.

Let's face it, most of us have tired of the bickering here.  And this diary only serves one purpose, to further divide us.  I'll Mojo anyone who calls out an obvious troll.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:43:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (none / 0)

Shhh. Don't let on that you're aware of the conspiracy. Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean they're not all out to get you.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:51:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I am nicer to Obama than people of your Ilk (none / 0)

would been towards Hillary!


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:58:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am nicer to Obama than people of your Ilk (2.00 / 4)

www.noquarterusa.net


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:53:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am nicer to Obama than people of your Ilk (2.00 / 2)

And how did you know that? Did you pull your head out of your ass long enough to peer into your crystal ball?


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:59:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree (2.00 / 2)

with your premise. I don't agree with your use of the obamabot word and I don't like the flip flop term being used. Once again we are using the righties words - deadenders and flipflop both made popular by the rigties.


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by kevin22262 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:23:57 AM EST

Have some cheese. (2.00 / 4)

n/t


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:24:23 AM EST

Re: Have some cheese. (none / 0)

pssst, lest you think I ingnored your question in an old thread:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/6/23/1 44151/602/23#23

:)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:23:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Have some cheese. (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the heads up ;-)

And for the response.
I am sorry I didn't get to look at it sooner, but work has been a killer lately (and will only get worse as we get closer to election day.)


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:31:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Have some cheese. (none / 0)

No worries.  I have an irrational fear of leaving people hanging.  :)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:08:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 8)

Diaries like this serve one good purpose. They draw out the trolls. The rec list and misuse of ratings in these diaries makes it clear who wants to see the Democratic party and candidate hurt.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:32:29 AM EST

Re: Obambots changing Direct Democracy into Absolu (2.00 / 6)

If the Mods actually took action, you'd be right.


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:34:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Let me tell you a thing or too. (2.00 / 8)

It's not about Obama!  It's about getting a Democrat in the White House this year.  I have waited 8 years to be rid of the dishonest, greedy, sociopathic and incompetent Republicans in our government.  I didn't know until a month or so ago who would be the Democratic candidate but I knew one thing.  I would support that candidate in every way until that candidate got elected.

So get over any lingering anger you have from the primary battle because this is not the time for Democrats to start bickering among themselves.  It's the time to muster the troops to win the GE.

You have a quibble about the approach to this policy or that one or want to tweak something?  After we win in November, feel free to write a strongly worded letter or make up some placards and march around in front of the White House or write a diary on the blogs...whatever.

But now is not the time.  I repeat, our mission is to get a Democratic president this year...we must weigh everything we say or do publicly against that mission statement.  Does it help achieve our mission or not?  If not, don't say or do it.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:35:27 AM EST

Re: Let me tell you a thing or too. (1.50 / 2)

"Does it help achieve our mission or not?  If not, don't say or do it."

Shades of Ari Fleischer:

There are reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this is not a time for remarks like that; there never is.

I have substantive reasons for wanting a Democrat in the White House, I will not sacrifice those reasons for any man or mission.


by souvarine on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:43:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Now you are confusing me. (2.00 / 4)

wanting a Democrat in the White House

Is that not our mission?

I will not sacrifice those reasons for any man or mission

You will not sacrifice our mission for our mission?  That's where you lost me.

As for sacrifice the mission for the man...the mission precedes the man and the mission overpowers the man.  It might have been Clinton, Edwards, Richardson, Biden, Dodd, Kucinich or even Gravel who became our candidate.  Our mission would still be the same.  It is Obama and it still is the same.

I realize that our long-term mission goes beyond November.  In the long run this election is simply a stepping stone to achieve the long term goals.  But in the short term winning it becomes our mission and we can't proceed onwards until we achieve it.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:59:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Now you are confusing me. (1.00 / 1)

The ends do not justify the means, the means must justify themselves. I am not willing to abandon free and open discourse for the sake of electing Barack Obama, just as I am not willing to sacrifice free and open discourse for the sake of fighting terrorism, as Ari Fleischer implied we should do.

"don't say or do it" implies a sacrifice of more freedom than I am willing to give up.


by souvarine on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:19:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]