So Now He's a Bad Christian?

Cross-posted at Clintonistas for Obama.

I really wish the VRWC would make up their minds already.  Last week, it was the terrorist fist jab.  Today, he's bad a Christian, this smear, via the Dr. James Dobson, of Focus on the Family.  Dr. Dobson resurrected a 2006 speech by Senator Obama on the need for progressives to reach out to people of all religious faiths, including the traditionally Republican evangelical Protestants:

But what I am suggesting is this - secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Moreover, if we progressives shed some of these biases, we might recognize some overlapping values that both religious and secular people share when it comes to the moral and material direction of our country. We might recognize that the call to sacrifice on behalf of the next generation, the need to think in terms of "thou" and not just "I," resonates in religious congregations all across the country. And we might realize that we have the ability to reach out to the evangelical community and engage millions of religious Americans in the larger project of American renewal.


Here is the offending passage:

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson's, or Al Sharpton's? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let's read our bibles. Folks haven't been reading their bibles.

According to Dr. Dobson, Obama was "dragging biblical understanding through the gutter" and "distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own...confused theology." Apparently, there is only one good way to read the Bible.  That's bad news for the millions of Christians, myself included, who believe that Dr. Dobson's selective interpretation of the Bible is a distortion of Jesus Christ's message of love, forgiveness, charity, and tolerance.

Of course, distortion is a tool regularly used by Dr. Dobson.  In December 2006, Mary Cheney, daughter of Vice-president Dick Cheney, announced that she and her partner of 15 years were going to have baby.  The right wing religious groups that have supported the Bush administration, who had been able to overlook Mary Cheney's homosexuality up until that point, reacted with disgust and outrage.  Dr. Dobson responded by writing a guest column for Time in which he argued that being raised in a home with same-sex parents was harmful to children:

With all due respect to Cheney and her partner, Heather Poe, the majority of more than 30 years of social-science evidence indicates that children do best on every measure of well-being when raised by their married mother and father. That is not to say Cheney and Poe will not love their child. But love alone is not enough to guarantee healthy growth and development. The two most loving women in the world cannot provide a daddy for a little boy--any more than the two most loving men can be complete role models for a little girl.

The social-science evidence he cited was conducted by Dr. Kyle Pruett and educational psychologist Carol Gilligan.  Both experts were outraged that Dr. Dobson attempted to use their research to discredit same-sex parents.  

From Dr. Kyle Pruett:

Dr. Dobson, I was startled and disappointed to see my work referenced in the current Time Magazine piece in which you opined that social science, such as mine, supports your convictions opposing lesbian and gay parenthood. I write now to insist that you not quote from my research in your media campaigns, personal or corporate, without previously securing my permission. You cherry-picked a phrase to shore up highly (in my view) discriminatory purposes. This practice is condemned in real science, common though it may be in pseudo-science circles. There is nothing in my longitudinal research or any of my writings to support such conclusions. On page 134 of the book you cite in your piece, I wrote, "What we do know is that there is no reason for concern about the development or psychological competence of children living with gay fathers. It is love that binds relationships, not sex."

From Carol Gilligan
Dear Dr. Dobson:
I am writing to ask that you cease and desist from quoting my research in the future. I was mortified to learn that you had distorted my work this week in a guest column you wrote in Time Magazine. Not only did you take my research out of context, you did so without my knowledge to support discriminatory goals that I do not agree with. What you wrote was not truthful and I ask that you refrain from ever quoting me again and that you apologize for twisting my work.

With Obama actively reaching out to the evangelical community, this attack should come as no surprise.  However, Dr. Dobson is no friend of John McCain, having recently repeated his pledge not to vote for him.  CNN alluded to more personal reasons for Dr. Dobson having lashed out at Senator Obama.  He was apparently angry at having been compared to Rev. Sharpton, whom many conservatives perceive as racist.

Regardless of his motives, expect Dr. Dobson and others to continue their attacks on Senator Obama and his family.  With conservatives on the defense, unable to provide a positive image of America to voters, their only path to victory is on the road of fear and hate.  He's a Muslim.  He's a terrorist.  He attended a racist church.  His wife is an angry, black woman.  She hates "whitey."  He wants to negotiate with terrorists.  He's a sexist who doesn't respect women.

Be aware.  Be ready.  Fight back.

Note:  During the primaries, I made it clear that I was unimpressed with the speeches that so excited Senator Obama's supporters and I didn't understand how those words qualified him for the presidency.  However, as an Obama critic, I must acknowledge that this speech on religion is impressive.  It is well worth a read.



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Tips for stopping smears... (2.00 / 21)

...and attacking bigot Dobson?


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:55:35 PM EST

Re: Tips for stopping smears... (1.75 / 4)

is this on the super secret list of approved topics to discuss?


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:00:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips for stopping smears... (2.00 / 7)

I could answer that question, but then I'd have to kill you.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:05:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Haha... (2.00 / 1)

Dobson's so lame. Is this the best he can do? Pathetic. ;-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:19:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He does speak a pretty speech (none / 0)

I'm more concerned about how he will govern (and there's ample reference for that, folks).


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 03:37:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

According to the VRWC, he is (2.00 / 10)

A bad Christian terrorist Muslim, a deeply naive Machiavellian, a rabid sexist with a wife that's too independent, and an effete elitist liberal angry black man.

Simultaneously.


by Neef on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:00:14 PM EST

And they say we drink Kool Aid???? n/t (2.00 / 3)


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:01:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I guess so... (2.00 / 1)

Well, then I guess I don't want to get anywhere near the McBush Kool Aid! :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:20:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Activate paranoid evangelical powers: (2.00 / 1)

He's a bad Christian because he's a secret Muslim. QED.


by TCQuad on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:32:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

rofl (2.00 / 1)

well, that's cleared up then!


by Neef on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:37:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: According to the VRWC, he is (2.00 / 1)

Who talks trash about other country club members


Please don't associate moose with Palin, she likes to kill them.
by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:47:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: According to the VRWC, he is (none / 0)

All that and yet he's "inexperienced"


by Politicalslave on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:55:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

but (none / 0)

he's been "playing Chicago politics" for years


by Neef on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:05:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good point. n/t (none / 0)


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:15:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: According to the VRWC, he is (none / 0)

heh,heh


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:00:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: According to the VRWC, he is (none / 0)

That's a long list for an effete Marxist who doesn't even keep kosher!

(M.O.  Let the bacon out of the bag on "The View.")


by candidate D on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:33:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: According to the VRWC, he is (none / 0)

actually, he's a Trotskyist.


"If you don't care about everybody, you don't care about anybody." --Ethan Mordden
by prodigal on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 06:14:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: According to the VRWC, he is (none / 0)

don't forget product of a welfare single-parent home and a wine-drinking elitist. An out-of-touch white-collar Ivy-Leauge Liberal who just paid his student loans off a few year ago.


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 09:44:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The Republicans know they (2.00 / 7)

can't win on policy, so they just smear, smear, smear (as usual). And the gullible listen -- it's unfortunate that we have so many easily led people in this country.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:05:28 PM EST

The Republican Way (2.00 / 4)

Why think for yourselves when there are all these other people available to do it for you?


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:08:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 5)

It sounds like maybe Dobson is worried that Obama may siphon away some evangelical voters.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:07:20 PM EST

He sees what's happening. (2.00 / 5)

His movement on the defense and he is on the wrong side of history.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:09:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Whoa (2.00 / 2)

nicely phrased, that


by Neef on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:11:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 2)

Honestly, I think the strategy is more to attempt to drive a wedge between what they see as the secular base of the Democratic party, and the Evangelicals that Obama has been reaching out to.

My guess is they're trying to draw Obama into a contentious theological discussion to defend his faith, and use this to make both Evangelicals and atheists uncomfortable about Obama.

Fortunately, Dobson is a tool, so any attack from him on Obama is a net plus in any reasonable person's eyes.


by hello world on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:27:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excellent Point! (2.00 / 1)

Every minute he is off message is a gift for the GOP.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:31:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

I wonder how much relevance Dobson has now.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:03:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

and he would be right


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:01:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 2)

How much influence does Dobson currently have in the evangelical community?


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:10:56 PM EST

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 3)

I think the only people influenced by him are people who wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.  A constant chorus of this crap could, though, plant a seed of doubt among centrist evangelicals and moderates who are disgusted with the GOP.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:13:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

Yeah, this is what they do. Kind of like throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks. Great diary BTW. I have enjoyed reading your diaries.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:06:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you! (none / 0)


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:16:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You are welcome! nt (none / 0)


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:23:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 1)

With conservatives on the defense, unable to provide a positive image of America to voters, their only path to victory is on the road of fear and hate.

[nice. & rec'd]


by alyssa chaos on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:17:54 PM EST

i agree this is douchey.... (2.00 / 1)

but this is the precise problem in mixing religion with politics.  i guess its unavoidable, but still unfortunate.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:25:01 PM EST

Re: i agree this is douchey.... (2.00 / 5)

CG, I highly recommend his speech.  He talks about mixing religion and politics and how to reconcile the two.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:27:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

let me explain... (2.00 / 2)

and before i do - i will stress that this is ONLY my opinion and not one that i would force upon anyone else.

i love religion, it has spawned beauty, love, forgiveness, understanding and almost all of the things humans hold dear.  on the other hand however - it has spawned the ugliest of what humans can do to one another, intolerance, hate, violence.

ill tell you a little story to further my point.  when i was in korea i was talking with a buddhist scholar about how sexism permeated korean society and how it went against buddhist ideals.  he explained that in buddhism the concept of the world is that man is sky and woman is earth - like yin and yang.  one cannot be without the other.  he said - and i agree that MAN exploited buddhism to say that men are above women, when in fact it does not say that at all for its own purposes.

this is why - I believe that religion has no place in politics.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:40:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree. (2.00 / 3)

I'm all about the separation of church and state and I agree that in many religions, followers exploit words, phrases, and beliefs to fit their own worldviews.

There are people who want religion to play a more prominent role in public life and Democrats need to speak to those people and demonstrate that progressives do share their values.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:44:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: let me explain... (2.00 / 1)

I do think that quite a few people from the evangelical, born again Christian movement are suggesting that their alliance with repugs has been counter-productive. Many are environmentalists, but most just simply care about people, and realize that the repugs do not really share their values.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:17:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

fair enough. (none / 0)

its not meant as a criticism, rather a philosophical (yet highly unlikely) hope.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:27:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I once dated a deeply religious woman (2.00 / 1)

beautiful, smart, witty. However, it eventually dawned on me that she was absolutely certain I was going to Hell. I just couldn't coexist with that.

The spiritual/secular tension is ubiquitous, I think.


by Neef on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:39:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

interesting. (none / 0)

that must have been difficult to reconcile...

another example - in the province i live in, a hot-button issue is funding for religious schools (currently the provincial govt funds catholic schools).  the argument is either - great, keep doing it! or what about my religion's schools? or how dare the govt fund religious teachings?  i tend to favour the latter, and not because i dont value religion, but rather i believe that govt should not sanction religious teaching.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:48:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That's a dilemma (2.00 / 3)

Even very deeply religious people are citizens, and it some ways it's unfair to ask them to discard their beliefs to participate in the full benefits of citizenship.

From a secular viewpoint, we tend to view the trappings of religion as optional. "Dude, do you really have to pray right now?". To the religious, that might be like asking them to forgo food, or some other basic necessity.

Of course,it's equally unfair to make me or you subsidize someone else's religion.


by Neef on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:59:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: interesting. (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely. I totally agree that there should be a separation of church and state. I also think that a lot of people of faith have been seeing the down side of cozying up to the government too much.

I think what you and others are trying to say is, keep religion and politics separate, However individuals will be guided by their spiritual and religious beliefs. I know I have no problem if people follow their beliefs as long as it does not infringe on me. I also like it when they are consistant in their beliefs and actions. :D


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:06:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 3)

Rec'ced.  For too long, the Republicans have co-opted the religious votes, despite the fact that with the exception of abortion (their opposition to which being nothing more than a very clever ploy), their platform negates virtually ALL biblical teachings.

We've abandoned our religious brothers and sisters as a party, thinking they were out of reach.  Obama's INCREDIBLY smart for remembering that they aren't, and I think we can pick up a whole lot of these votes.  We're not gonna get the "we hate gays no condoms in schools ever marriage is between a man and woman" fanatics, but most religious Americans bear no resemblance to that terrible stereotype.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:50:48 PM EST

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

And there are a lot of social conservatives who resent Republicans for playing up the social issues--and doing nothing.  They big believers in protecting the environment (God's creation), in social justice, and in showing love and compassion for the poor, sick, and even criminals.  Many of these people are disillusioned.  Obama is making a play for these voters, so I expect to see a lot more BS like this.  


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:56:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

Is it Christmas already?  What a gift this debate is to the Obama campaign.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 12:00:16 AM EST

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

Dobson calling Obama a fruitcake or whatever he said will only help Obama.  Keep it coming Rove/Dobson/Gingrich!  It's only turning people off to the republican brand even more! Victory will be ours this nov!


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:20:10 AM EST

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (2.00 / 3)

I actually just wanted to reply to your note at the end.
THIS is the type of stuff that has gotten me on Obama's side from the beginning. The big fancy speeches are fun and rile you up, but the TOPICAL speeches are the ones I've always sought out, as well as his town hall performances, which have usually been impressive as he takes on those who are against abortion and the NRA types. He doesn't badger them, and he doesn't capitulate to them, he just talks to them like they're reasonable people, and it often pays dividends.
by EvilAsh on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:33:57 AM EST

Obama's not JUST a bad Christian... (none / 0)

He's an extremist/racist Christian, an angry black man, one of those elitist country club types, a secret Muslim, AND he's anti-Muslim.

I wonder where the GOP shops for their frames.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 03:16:04 AM EST

Re: So Now He's a Bad Christian? (none / 0)

Obama's religion guy has already offered for the two to meet when the Convention  is in town. Dobson hasn't responded because he is used to politicians running away from him.
I am  a devout Christian, and this is one of the things I love about the Senator. He strikes down fear by confronting it.
Finally, we have a guy who is proactive...
A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 09:55:41 AM EST

Re: Obama's response (none / 0)

LINK

Speaking to reporters on his campaign plane before landing in Los Angeles, Obama said the speech made the argument that people of faith, like himself, "try to translate some of our concerns in a universal language so that we can have an open and vigorous debate rather than having religion divide us."

Obama added, "I think you'll see that he was just making stuff up, maybe for his own purposes."

IMO, we are giving the VRWC too much credit when we quote their petty, bullshit concerns.  99.9% of the time the Righties are purposefully lying about the issue.  Their main goal is to have these lies repeated by reputable news sources.  That gives the lies a life of their own and after a while it doesn't matter it they are true or not.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 09:59:45 AM EST

I would rather not have our politicians (none / 0)

preach about religion no matter what they have to say about it.  But then, I am a New Englander and my roots go back all the way to England and the war of the Roses.  I am of the MYOB mind set.


by Teacher1956 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 10:44:54 AM EST


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