Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up?

by easyE, Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:32:39 PM EST

Ok- I need to vent here.  I am so so so sick of Nancy Pelosi that I could VOMIT.  Can she NOT make a comment without speaking negatively about Hillary Clinton?  I mean COME ON!  It has happened so many times this year that I've lost count.  Now it's the "I don't know WHAT she's talking about, I'VE never experienced sexism" comment (that's not word for word- but close).  Well, you've only ran for a house seat in a Liberal California district Pelosi- not on a National level!  What a moron.  Seriously.  Not only is she incompetent in running The House- she's got a real knack for pissing people off.
Honestly- I think she's jealous of Hillary Clinton.  I think she LOATHED the idea of another woman with more power than her.  Well, guess what Nancy, Hillary Clinton IS more powerful than you, regardless of title.  18 million voters sealed the deal.  SO GET OVER IT!

I apologize for the spicy rhetoric- but I'm fed up.




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I'm pretty sure she said she (none / 0)

has faced sexism, but that it can be overcome and shouldn't be considered the end all be all reason why Hillary lost.


"No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown
by auboy2006 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:37:10 PM EST

Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (none / 0)

Then maybe she should've said THAT.  Instead, she opens up her blow hole and makes snide little remarks.  I'm gonna send Cindy Sheehan some money right now!! (She's running for Pelosi's seat).


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:40:51 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (2.00 / 2)

glad to hear that Cindy is taking her on.  nancy does hate Hillary and she's really out of touch when she keeps the hate alive, by making her snide comments.  She's an old school girl, a queen bee? They were supposed to have died out with disco and irony, go figure.  I'll donate to Cindy too, she's pissed that Nancy refuses to see George as the war criminal that he is.  Nancy likes him, her daughter traveled with George and wrote swell about him.  Nancy comes from one of the most politically connected families ever, she's never had to work for a thing.  She has contempt for women, even though she's one of us, in body.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:54:42 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (none / 0)

speaking of my ex congresswoman, she has had the luxury of running from SF. prior to becoming speaker, she has not had the media glare on her 24-7 while collecting votes to be speaker. would the other reps in congress have picked her as speaker had the press caricatured her as a latte-botox-nut-cracker fem bot from sf for say, 5 months, prior to the speaker vote?


by darwinism on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:10:50 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (none / 0)

Speaking as someone NOT from San Francisco for whom Nancy Pelosi is a national figure, she already had that tag when she was elected as speaker.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:19:57 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (2.00 / 1)

she is a national figure because she became speaker.  how many people knew of nancy before that? my point is, that whatever tag she had- she did not suffer the daily and nightly attacks that hillary got on trying to become the party's nominee. if the speaker election was an open contest which ran on for say 8 months...would nancy still have been elected speaker if she got the hillary treatment from msnbc and ms. dowd on a daily and nightly basis?


by darwinism on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:30:20 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (2.00 / 2)

No basically what Nancy Pelosi said is you just got get over it; sexism exists & women should just be happy with the strides we currently have made. I wonder how Obama would feel if he came in 2nd & many AA said it was due to his race & he was told the above @@

Sorry I can't just get over it that I still have to deal with so much garbage on a daily basis; garbage that even my own party, the more progressive movement, either denies exists, coins key phrases from or sneers at.  It doesn't make one feel too good about making their way - but  I guess I just have to get over it @@


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:49:56 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (1.80 / 10)

yes, get over it is the new jeer and sneer catchword.  Says fuck you, mainly.  It's clear the party isn't sweating the puma's or those of us who would like a little respect for the things we care about.  I hope Cindy does run for Nancy's seat, and beats  her. nancy can go back to Baltimore and run for her old dad's seat? (did he have a seat?)  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:58:12 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (none / 0)

It's clear the party isn't sweating the puma's

And thank the sweet, sweet baby Jeebus for that.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:28:41 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (2.00 / 2)

yeah that Big Tent stuff was just sooooo 90's ya know, the blog watchword now is divide divide divide...


by zerosumgame on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:32:45 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (1.00 / 3)

Umm yeah. I'm pretty sure we Democrats don't want the rascist dead-enders that comprise PUMA (all 19 or so of them) anywhere near our tent.

I know I don't.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:35:36 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (2.00 / 2)

Hmm don't know if I was talking about any of this - just pointing out how screwed up the sentiment was that was expressed & I don't see much in the way of outrage. If the same statement was made about any other oppressed group there would be mass outrage, controversy, debate & discussion. It is said about women & people barely notice the fact that it is  screwed up to say, much less find acceptable in this country.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10:02 PM EST
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Re: I'm pretty sure she said she (2.00 / 1)

Daddy was the mayor of Baltimore and later a Maryland Congressman. Her brother was also the mayor of Baltimore.


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:31:47 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 4)

Imo, she's been an ineffective House Speaker, and now she thinks she has the right to recommend VP's and comment on hillary Clinton's campaign, which even Obama, Reid and Dean haven't done so far...


by Jaz on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:37:21 PM EST

yeah (none / 0)

Honestly- I cannot stand her.  Almost enough to become an Independent just out of principle!!!!!!!!!!!!!


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:39:06 PM EST
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Re: yeah (none / 0)

So you would change your political party over Pelosi?

Why are you not as angry at Reid for not booting lyeberman out of his committees?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:10:19 PM EST
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Re: yeah (none / 0)

Reid has a pretty good reason for not kicking Leiberman to the curb. The Senate is 49-49-2 and the VP is a Republican. If Joe bolts, and lends all his Joementum to the Republican caucus, it's bye-bye majority until next January.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:23:43 AM EST
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Re: yeah (2.00 / 1)

What principle is that? Your dislike of Nancy Pelosi? Not very profound, or deep, those principles.

Here's a link. You might consider putting it, along with an accurate quote, in your diary:
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/ house_speaker_nancy_pelosi_say.html#more

"I'm a victim of sexism myself all the time, but I just think it goes with the territory, I don't sit around to say, `but for that"...I think her candidacy was a just a bright, bright moment for us... Pelosi said she wanted to know more facts before she made a final pronouncement about sexism and the Clinton candidacy...

You're venting about something she didn't say, and completely mischaracterizing what she did say.

Feel any better?


Know Your Rights!
by BobzCat on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:18:21 PM EST
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Re: yeah (none / 0)

Hmm replace the word sexism with racism in the above statement - all it needs is a shoulder shrug & an oh well to follow  on like we should all just move on with our lives versus DOING something about it & objecting loudly & massively you know like any other group that demands professional equality. The sentiment expressed here should be an outrageous one to have to walk around with & be considered normal.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:12:18 PM EST
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Since she is a woman (none / 0)

doesn't that make you sexist with your viscious attack.

Why disrespect her so. As a woman doesn't Nancy Pelosi have a right to her opinion, whether you agree or disagree.

IF you get rid of your 'victim of sexism' filter and look at people as individuals it would be liberating for women, and all of us generally.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:01:26 PM EST
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Re: Since she is a woman (2.00 / 2)

"Since she is a woman (none / 0)

doesn't that make you sexist with your viscious attack.
..."

Are you serious?


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:36:10 PM EST
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Yes! (none / 0)

I am dead serious.

Why are you being so disrespectful of Ms. Pelosi a woman of many accomplishments.

It's distasteful, disrespectful and if I was a whiner I could say it was sexist.

Pelosi v Clinton two individual women.

Anything perceived criticism of Hillary = sexism.

Your criticism of Nancy isn't sexism? Then what is it.

Or are you looking at individual personalities and positions.

Using the same measure I can call you a sexist for railing against Nancy Pelosi. Are you jealous because she is a smart successful woman? Or is it that she doesn't wear pantsuits.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:52:08 PM EST
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Re: Yes! (2.00 / 1)

You are all confused about what constitutes sexism.  I am suprised at how much.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:17:18 PM EST
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Funny, I have been a woman (none / 0)

all my life. You would think I would know the 'great suffering of sexism'.

Let me just say that I agree with Nancy when she said;

"I myself find that I get a tremendous upside from being a woman and I don't spend a lot of time worrying about sexist remarks that people make."


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:43:13 PM EST
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Re: Since she is a woman (none / 0)

??? I'm a woman - plenty of women accept these things as just the way it is and in fact barely want to identify as a feminist or dare admit to the problem b/c then you are labeled as a radical freak.  


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 10:13:56 PM EST
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She should be kicked off her majority perch! (2.00 / 2)

Democratic congressioinal leadership is the worst. After FISA disaster they should all be kicked out.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:40:15 PM EST

At least when she's insulting Hillary (2.00 / 2)

she's not supporting the FISA cave in and calling it a victory for the Democrats!
See, the glass IS half full!
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:40:23 PM EST

OR (2.00 / 1)

taking Impeachment off of the table. Good point!


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:41:59 PM EST
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I sincerely hope that Obama is sincere (2.00 / 1)

about ending the war, and that he realizes he needs new leadership in Congress if he's going to get there.
We're lucky the public has forgiven our party for really doing next to nothing on the issue they were elected on - - to end the freakin' war!!!!
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:46:51 PM EST
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Do you have a clue (2.00 / 1)

what her job actually is.

She is tasked with managing and helping to elect more democrats, and she has quite a diverse coalition to work with.

I really think you should be a little more respectful and polite of the FIRST woman to hold this job.

Or are you over looking the sexism of your post.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:06:05 PM EST
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Re: Do you have a clue (2.00 / 1)

I don't understand.  Is Pelosi more deserving of respect than anyone else, just because she is a woman?  How does that fall in the sexism picture.  Is she not touchable now, or something?


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:34:58 PM EST
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You make my case (none / 0)

which is why this whining that every whiff of criticism that Hillary receives is NOT in fact sexist.

Everyone stop evaluating Hillary. It's sexism. Sexism I say.

But you don't apply that standard to Pelosi.

This victimhood meme that some Hillary supporters espouse does not do women or the women's movement any favors.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:55:56 PM EST
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Re: You make my case (2.00 / 1)

I am sorry, but you will have to be more specific.  Show me some examples where "every criticism" of Hillary Clinton has been called sexism.  I think it is most likely that you have been so in denial of what sexism there has been that you can not discern between what is sexism and what is not.  It is an easy out for you to claim that people are saying every criticism is sexism.  that way, you really don't have to sift through what people say and admit that some of the comments and statements have sexism at their root. It is really not intelligent to refuse to look at things and reject what other people say without considering any of it.  It is over the edge bias, the same as you are accusing others of having.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:23:42 PM EST
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No actually (none / 0)

I don't have to be more specific.

I don't buy into your meme on sexism. I think you are overplaying it to the point of ridiculousness, and it comes across as bitter and whiney and clinging to old stereotypes that some of us would like to break out of, while others like yourself want to hold onto.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 11:39:58 PM EST
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Re: Do you have a clue (none / 0)

Apparently, you do not understand what her job is.

> She is tasked with managing and helping to elect more democrats

Bzzzzzzt. No, that would be Chris Van Hollen's job, not Nancy Pelosi's job. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Van_H ollen

After the Democrats regained control of the House in the 2006 elections, Van Hollen became the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the fifth-ranking position among House Democrats. In this post, Van Hollen is responsible for leading efforts to get more Democrats elected to Congress.

Pelosi's main jobs are far more important. She is the ceremonial leader of the House, and more importantly, she is the political and legislative voice of the House majority. In other words, she is responsible for getting the Democratic agenda enacted into law. If you look at the agenda on which the Dems won power in 2006, and compare it to what Pelosi has actually done, she comes up short in several areas. That has nothing to do with her gender.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 04:43:05 AM EST
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Yawn. (1.40 / 5)


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:45:30 PM EST

Spunkmeyer - - (1.85 / 7)

when my oldest was little, and he was in his kiddy seat, and the adults were talking, and he felt ignored, he'd start throwing cheerios around the room.  Damn, it's cute!


John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:49:53 PM EST
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Pot: Meet Kettle. (1.33 / 3)

Seriously friend - you'd be so much more at home at RedState, HillaryIs44, or TheConfluence.  You should give them a try.  They'd welcome you with open arms.  The overwhelming feeling of love would be such a new, wonderful experience for you.

It would save you all this time and energy you're wasting on being angry.  And we wouldn't have to listen to your sore-loser bitching and moaning all the time.

Win-win!


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:02:56 PM EST
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Re: Pot: Meet Kettle. (2.00 / 2)

Seriously friend, what business is it of yours to invite people off of this blog.  Seems to me, you're a guest here the same as anyone else.  The difference is that it seems you feel more entitled than some others to direct traffic.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:33:00 PM EST
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Here ya go, Scotchy. (2.00 / 0)

Try a little light reading:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/24/1731 52/021


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:34:58 PM EST
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Re: Yawn. (1.75 / 4)

Yep.  Dead end is right.  Maybe I'll go check out the PUMA sites too- just because of fools like you.  
You know- standing up for someone and something DOES NOT a dead ender make. How does this have anything to do with Obama? Not standing up for what you believe in, and calling people out on it (even when it goes against your party and your "leaders") is what makes a cool aid drinking fool.
Harsh, but true.
by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:51:05 PM EST
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Re: Yawn. (none / 0)

that's KOOL aid

get your insults spelled right


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:03:22 PM EST
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Re: Yawn. (none / 0)

Except you can't talk about Nancy Pelosi without riddling it with sexist language.  Her motivations are jealousy and envy.  "It's just so catty!"  Anna Shane's theory on why Nancy Pelosi seemed to favor Obama is that "he's cute".


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:03:36 PM EST
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Re: Yawn. (2.00 / 1)

Are there any available words that aren't sexist?   I think jealousy and envy apply universally.


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:21:56 PM EST
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Re: Yawn. (2.00 / 1)

Maybe I'll go check out the PUMA sites too

Please.  Oh, please - don't tease me like that.  ;-)

Oh, and don't let the door...  well, you know the rest.


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:05:38 PM EST
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Re: Yawn. (1.33 / 3)

Maybe I'll go check out the PUMA sites too

Please.  Oh, please - don't tease me like that.  ;-)

Oh, and don't let the door...  well, you know the rest.


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:05:49 PM EST
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Oh, and Scotch and aliveandkickin? (1.00 / 1)

The same advice goes for you.  Much as I love being troll-rated by trolls and all...


by spunkmeyer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:32:27 PM EST
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Nice photo! (none / 0)


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:56:31 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 2)

She has been a huge disappointment. And I think you're right that she's jealous of Hillary. Nancy was raised to be the political belle of the ball and doesn't want to be upstaged by anyone.


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:48:13 PM EST

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 1)

Of course, all women are catty and jealous, especially about each other.

And there's nothing sexist at all about "belle of the ball". Nope, not a goshdarn thing.


by BlueinColorado on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:53:13 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (none / 0)

Sayin!


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:04:03 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 1)

Way to jump to conclusions!

I think Nancy Pelosi (who was raised to be a political animal and behaves that way) is terribly jealous of Hillary Clinton because she's the more famous female in Congress. I don't believe that all females are catty or jealous at all and I don't believe this about other female Congresswomen. I do not see jealousy by Dianne Feinstein (who I also can't stand), or Barbara Boxer, or Sheila Jackson Lee, or Maxine Waters, or Jane Harmon, etc.

I think Pelosi had done an awful job (as evidenced by the awful job she's done), and I do think she's jealous, as evidenced by the fact that she keeps making public statements about Hillary Clinton, even though she's supposed to be completely neutral going into the convention.

And she was raised to be the "belle of the ball". Just like George Bush was raised to be the "cock of the walk", but she's a woman so that term doesn't really fit. I was going to say that she doesn't like being upstaged by someone who isn't of her "political pedigree" but I thought making an animal analogy would be more offensive.


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:12:35 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (none / 0)

Here's my problem with these claims sometimes, people feel justified when they do it but when others do it, it's a personal affront. She said she hadn't experienced it, so the diarist takes her to task, as do you. But you say it's just because she is "the belle of the ball", but you know it wasn't meant that way, but others think differently. And then bickering ensues the same way some people though HRC's campaign baited and some think it's all hogwash. it seems to be from what perspective you come from. i would in turn say that maybe if when defending a point of view, if one doesn't toe a line that they know if someone said to them might cause offense, then these little matches might be best spent on important issues.


by Dog Chains on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:20:04 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (none / 0)

You lost me at the end there.

I'm not really taking Pelosi to task on her comments about Clinton. I take her to task for being an awful Speaker of the House and a coward (i.e., a "political animal" instead of a strong leader). The fact that she keeps going out of her way to undermine Clinton makes me think that she's jealous.

And I don't think all women, or all female politicians are jealous, but similarly I'm not going to pretend that none of them are ever jealous. Men can be plenty jealous of one another too.


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:31:53 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (none / 0)

i'm sure she holds grudges against both men and women equally...but the ones against other women just seem more glaring. point in reference: jane harman. she seems to have grduges against moderate politicians.


by darwinism on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:37:25 PM EST
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Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 3)

Although Pelosi certainly doesn't represent rabid liberals.  What has she done in congress to further a progressive or liberal agenda.  I can't think of anything she has done, let alone in a liberal way.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:24:51 PM EST
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tautology alert (none / 0)

I think Pelosi had done an awful job (as evidenced by the awful job she's done)

Buh?


The problem with political jokes is that they often get elected to office.
by Roy G Biv on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:09:04 PM EST
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Re: tautology alert (none / 0)

No reason for me to go into the details. There's a congressional record that backs me up on this.


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:20:10 PM EST
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EasyE (none / 0)

Put up the link to the article: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/ house_speaker_nancy_pelosi_say.html#more

Pelosi also said at that same event that a Senate filibuster of the FISA bill would be "healthy and wholesome."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/06/ pelosi_wouldnt_mind_senate_fil.html


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:48:48 PM EST

AND? (2.00 / 1)

but not "healthy and wholesome" enough to NOT VOTE for the damn bill?  Um, try to have it both ways much?


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:52:46 PM EST
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So why no full debate in HER house? (2.00 / 3)

In her chamber, she rushed it through, and is now singing a different tune because her base caught on.  Right?


John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:58:22 PM EST
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Re: So why no full debate in HER house? (none / 0)

She had no parlimentary options, the House is a different beast, and the Blue Dogs were rolling over on this one.


by Dog Chains on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:23:06 PM EST
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I think... (2.00 / 3)

That people who don't know what they're talking about should shut up.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said today that she believed sexism against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was a factor in the 2008 Democratic primary fight, but added that the Democratic presidential candidate also benefited from being a woman.

[...]
On the day that Mrs. Clinton returned to the Senate, Mrs. Pelosi added: "I think on the positive side Senator Clinton has advanced the cause of women in government and her candidacy has been a very positive tonic for the country and had a very wholesome effect on the political process."


by BlueinColorado on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:51:41 PM EST

Re: I think... (2.00 / 1)

So how is that different from Ferraro saying that Obama benefited from being black?


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:21:30 PM EST
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You really don't get it, do you?? (none / 0)

Ferraro's point is that race and gender helped....Obama, herself, Hillary.  It's a no brainer.  Race and gender also hurt Obama, Hillary and Ferraro.  The difference that ignorant people don't get is that at one time, like for 200 years, race and gender ONLY hurt.  It is a good thing, imo, that now there is a positive side to race and gender in the political arena.

On the other hand, Pelosi comes off as women and minorities who are right wingers.   Yes, racism and sexism exist, they admit, but we, women and minorities on the right, have risen above it...we are better than those of you who talk about how racism and sexism hurt people.

Two totally different things....


by Jjc2008 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:59:00 PM EST
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Re: You really don't get it, do you?? (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the lecture, but I was hoping an Obama person would try to explain it to me. Again thanks for the ins......er I mean lecture.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:44:55 PM EST
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rec'd highly (2.00 / 1)

as Nancy Pelosi is not only useless as a speaker, but her comments are even more so. Why doesn't she run for President, and see how far she gets?


by Lakrosse on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:57:48 PM EST

Re: rec'd highly (none / 0)

She would win CA and maybe Oregon?  And lose everything else!  


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:02:03 PM EST
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Re: rec'd highly (2.00 / 1)

I don't think she would win California. Most of us know how useless she's been.


by LakersFan on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:14:30 PM EST
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Besides being egregiously sexist..... (2.00 / 1)

Honestly- I think she's jealous of Hillary Clinton.  I think she LOATHED the idea of another woman with more power than her.  Well, guess what Nancy, Hillary Clinton IS more powerful than you, regardless of title.  18 million voters sealed the deal.  SO GET OVER IT!

...this is one of the most childish, incoherent screeds I've seen on here since the FlowBees decamped.

What is it about Clinton supporters and ALL CAPS?


by BlueinColorado on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:59:53 PM EST

Re: Besides being egregiously sexist..... (none / 0)

Thanks!
All CAPS are FUN!
by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:25:21 PM EST
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HAY Gaiz (2.00 / 1)

I thnk Nance and Hill r totly gunna catfite, M I RITE LOL?!?!  MAY B We shud get a gello pit!!!!1

*

Stop fostering sexist rivalries that don't exist, please.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:00:40 PM EST

Re: HAY Gaiz (2.00 / 1)

So saying that one woman is against another is fostering sexist rivalries?  What has it been called for decades when men have competed and underhandely sabotaged one another?  Or is the sexist part seeing it as two women fighting, instead of two people?  


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:19:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More of the quote- (2.00 / 3)

"My impression is, yes there is sexism. My knowledge is yes, there is sexism...but I find myself, I get a tremendous upside from being a woman."

AS I SAID IN THE POST- "poo-pooing" Clinton's statement against sexism.  

This ONE quote was not the entire point either.  She has spoken out   about Hillary constantly during the primary- ALWAYS slanting  negatively against her.  Also saying "The Dream Ticket" will never happen.  As if to say- "we don't want Hillary".  Do your research.


by easyE on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:01:07 PM EST

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (none / 0)

"I think she's jealous"?

What is this, seventh grade?  Are women, in your mind, not able to share powerful positions without catfighting?

Ugh.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:04:14 PM EST

Nancy jealous of Hillary?? (1.50 / 2)

Uh..not. The truth of the matter is that Nancy recognizes Hillary for the person she is. Many leaders in the democratic party have lost patience with her and her mystifying sense of entitlement.

And sorry..Hillary does not have more power than the Speaker, regardless of whatever number of democrats may have voted for her. In my opinion Hillary can learn alot from Speaker Pelosi. Maybe she would have been a trite more successful had she emulated Nancy's quest for unity in the party, and the Speaker's graciousness and class. More importantly, Nancy didn't get where she is by being married to a former President.


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:11:12 PM EST

Pelosi is useless (2.00 / 2)

She offered Chet Edwards as a possible VP pick for Obama today.  Does she want Obama to lose so that she remains the most high powerful minority in all of America?

The Hillary-Pelosi feud, soon to be followed by the Hillary-Sebelius feud; you know the media is going to eventually ask Hillary the question "how would you feel if Obama picks Kathleen Sebelius to serve as his VP candidate."


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:15:01 PM EST

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 5)

I have given up on Pelosi.

She has disgraced herself during the primary process.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:33:48 PM EST

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 2)

Not to mention during the last 2 years when she had the chance with the majority to at least try some legislation that would be notable, but went on to do nothing, at least that I can see.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 09:29:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nancy is a disgrace (2.00 / 3)

but she's been jealous of Hillary for years. When Hillary went to China and gave the famous speech where she proclaimed womens' rights to be human rights it was Nancy who tried to stop her from going and giving the speech.


by LatinoVoter on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:18:07 PM EST

Re: Nancy is a disgrace (none / 0)

I love your sig, I almost didn't get it at first.  You talking about how Alice Palmer broke the rules and how Hillary played with the rules on MI/FL, so Obama a "dirty guy" because he actaully follows the rules.  I appreciate the sarcasm, but it doesn't come off as snark at first, but now I get it...good one, that's really funny!


by KLRinLA on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:56:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pelosi keeping strong women down - see Jane Harman (2.00 / 4)

I agree.  I was so upset back in 2006 when one of Pelosi's first decisions after Dems took the house was not to have Jane Harman be chair of the House Intel. Cmte.  

Jane Harman was ranking member of that cmte.  Agree with her completely or not, she is smart and capable.  Pelosi had a personal rivalry w/ Harman, who's strong personality and past attempts to gain power in the California delegation (and run for gov) have bothered Pelosi.  She deserved it -- not in the way people say Hillary deserved presidency (no one deserves that unless they get the delegates, which Clinton didn't).  Harman had earned that position and was best qualified.

Rather than let the most qualified woman have the job, Pelosi instead wanted to put Alcee Hastings - who had been impeached as a federal judge - in that position.  She eventually relented on that and put the 3rd ranking member in the position.

I think that as a woman herself, Pelosi is not good for women in leadership.  Rather than support other women's success, she seems to have a pattern of working to keep down (or be dismissive of) other women who might rival her power.  


by JJay on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:09:21 PM EST

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (1.75 / 4)

The reason Nancy Pelosi is completely useless as Speaker is because she is as complicit in the goings on in Washington as any Republican.  

The reasons she blathers on about Clinton is because she is an idiot.

Two completely unrelated shortcomings but they add up to one phony bitch.


by JustJennifer on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:14:39 PM EST

Too funny (2.00 / 1)

The reason Nancy Pelosi is completely useless as Speaker is because she is as complicit in the goings on in Washington as any Republican.

That's just idiotic. Nancy Pelosi has a far more progressive record than, just to pick a name at random, Hillary Clinton.

Two completely unrelated shortcomings but they add up to one phony bitch

I'm just imaging the howling and screaming from you and the people reccing your comment if someone had called Hillary Clinton a "bitch".

Your selective sensitivity to sexism and name-calling is laughable, but hardly surprising.

And to the extent that Pelosi has been ineffective, it's because she's been undermined by Clintonite cats-paws like Rahm Emmanuel and Steny "FISA" Hoyer.


by BlueinColorado on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:55:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (none / 0)

Nancy's never really gotten me excited--she's almost as useless as Reid. Seriously, "impeachment off the table", and generally getting nothing accomplished in the congress--time to go, Nancy-poo.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:11:05 PM EST

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 4)

She is worse than Reid.  Reid at least has some political sense, and was known for his ability to convince others of issues behind the scene.  I don't know what good Pelosi has been.


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:14:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Could someone ask Nancy Pelosi to shut up? (2.00 / 6)

Pelosi looks like she is constantly on camera.  What is with the smiling dolt look? And, I share your aggravation.  Everytime she has opened her mouth this campaign it has been to put down Clinton, whether it was an early on rejection of the so called "unity ticket" or a veiled call for her to get out of the race before it was only half over.  My biggest disappointment in her however, is her failure to lead when she had the opportunity to push for a Democratic agenda as the speaker.  I was so thrilled when she was appointed the speaker, because it was a milestone for women, and I even liked her at that point.  Little did I know what a failure and missed opportunity she would be.  It is a real shame.

Disclaimer:  Anything I have said about Pelosi, I would gladly say about any man who trys to pull the same shit.  


by Scotch on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:13:02 PM EST

Since we're paraphrasing, (2.00 / 1)

what I came away with after watching that interview was that Nancy Pelosi was basically telling Clinton supporters to either "get over it" or "go Cheney" ourselves. The longer I listened to her, the more pissed off I got.


by georgiapeach on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 01:21:15 PM EST


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