Michigan Still Blue

While it is, of course, still early -- certainly too early to gauge the Lindsay Graham Meet The Press drama queen effect on the election -- it's good to see that the more state polls that are released, the more Barack Obama appears to be shoring up the Kerry coalition of states. The latest to fall into its natural state of blueness: Michigan.

Public Policy Polling (573 LVs, June 21-22, MOE +/- 41.%) has released the first poll out of Michigan since Al Gore endorsed Barack Obama there on June 16th and, despite the media's greatest hopes, it's looking as though the idea that McCain has a shot in hell at Michigan looks to be yet another of the great 2008 electoral myths in need of debunking.

CandidatePPPPollster
Obama4846.5
McCain3940.7

John Kerry beat George Bush here in 2004 by 3%.

Some analysis from PPP's blog:

Barack Obama begins the general election in Michigan with a nine point lead. There are strong indications within the poll that party unity is close to full strength in the state. This is the first state where PPP has found Obama doing a better job of holding Democratic voters within the party (78-12) than McCain has of nailing down the Republican vote (74-19). Obama also has a 40-36 lead with independent voters, which Michigan has a lot of.

Obama's going to win any state where he's leading the white vote, and he has a 44-42 lead with it at this point. His 76-18 lead with black voters is likely to end up being larger on election day- pre-election polls frequently under estimate the percentage of the African American vote that Democratic candidates end up garnering.

Now, it should be noted that this poll, as of now, appears to be somewhat of an outlier, with the most recent poll taken June 9th showing Obama up just 3, so it will, as always, be interesting to see if other polls follow suit. One concern is that PPP's polling methodology may somehow favor Obama, as their recent state polls have shown Obama up by 11 in Ohio and up by 2 in Virginia. As PPP's own analysis admits:

"Every new poll PPP does in a swing state provides more evidence that talk of long term Democratic disunity because of the drawn out contest between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton was over blown."

But whereas the Ohio numbers were informed by extremely favorable (some would say unrealistic) party ID numbers, that doesn't appear to be the case in Michigan.

Democrat 38
Republican 31
Other 30



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Re: Michigan Still Blue (2.00 / 2)

Todd,

As I said in yesterday's thread, please stop calling Lindsay Graham a "drama queen."  It is unworthy of what we stand for.  Let the SC GOP do that sort of thing, not us.


by Ephus on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:19:31 PM EST

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I agree.  My distaste for him has nothing to do with his sexuality.


by Bargeron on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:40:38 PM EST
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Did you SEE Lindsay Graham on Meet The Press??  He WAS being a drama queen- this has nothing to do with sexuality.  Watch the clips at TPM and see if you don't agree.  His posturing was histrionic and ridiculous.


by ArkansasLib on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:16:57 PM EST
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I watched it, and did not see anything outside of standard GOP talking points (which I think are a bunch of bulls**t, but that is not the point).  Even if Graham were acting in an overly flamboyant fashion, we should not be trading in innuendo or epithets.  

Let's act consistently as the good guys so that when the GOP show their true colors, which they will, our moral outrage will not be dismissed as mere partisan politics.


by Ephus on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 03:06:45 PM EST
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Lindsey Graham deserves all that and more.

He is a former Air Force lawyer and Judge Advocate who has broken every vow and oath he ever swore to uphold in order to stay a Republican US Senator, and who been MOST useful to the Cheney thugs in making legitimate the most horrendous, partisan, criminal  abuses of our Military Justice system and our Constitution.

I had some respect for him in years past, but now I would put him in the same category as lowlife Right-wing scum Orrin Hatch, Kit Bond, James Inhofe, Jon Kyl, and John Cornyn.

And he IS a drama queen.


by dembluestates on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 05:17:56 PM EST
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Add my voice against the use of the phrase.  There are ample other phrases that don't double as allusions to one's possible sexuality.  If the non-sexual definition of that term is what you really mean, then find a synonym, please.


by Bob Fenster on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 06:06:35 PM EST
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I don't think anyone has any idea about (none / 0)

what the true current party affiliation percentages are (and that's a major factor in polling).

For instance, SUSA's Oregon poll from yesterday had 42% Dems, 41% Repubs, whereas their May poll had 48% Dems, 32% Repubs (registration is 43% Dems, 33% Repubs, but that doesn't necessarily mirror actual affiliations)


by bobdoleisevil on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:37:31 PM EST

11-point lead (none / 0)

for Obama among women.  That seems consistent with what all the post-Hillary polls have shown for Obama, with the exception of the Pennsylvania Rasmussen poll yesterday which gave Obama an eight-point lead among males and presumably a tie with McCain among women, which seems counterintuitive.  Glad to see there's not the outrageous twenty-thirty point gender gap that we've been seeing in some SurveyUSA polls.

Here's David Plouffe about Obama's lead over McCain among women: "[Obama] is poised to win [a] historic level of support [from women]."  It's appearing McCain will need to absolutely crush Obama among white men.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:41:26 PM EST

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The new NM SUSA poll has a 54% gender gap. You read that right...54%. What is up with SUSA?

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=31e69724-cf94-4dbc-b14b-961f53 d67e39


by sulthernao on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 08:01:52 PM EST
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Early or not (none / 0)

I'd rather be up 9 than down. :)


"Mom, baseball, apple pie, and a unified Democratic juggernaut."
by Purplepeople on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:03:13 PM EST

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I can see why party identification with Democrats in Michigan might be lower than other states, due to the huge circus of the delegate prohibition.


by MeganLocke on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 01:28:51 PM EST

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Liberals have been leaving Michigan in droves to find work.  There's a reason Kwame called it the Mississippi of the North.  I know, most of my family still lives there.  But I'll be wearing my Obama shirt next week at the family reunion to stick it to them anyway.


by angry liberaltarian on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:01:48 PM EST

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Granholm's been doing a lot of work trying to transform our economy from a rust belt manufacturing one (autos) to high tech. It's slow going but I'm actually starting to see some progress with it. That will bring more liberals.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:25:57 PM EST
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Obama will not lose a single state won by either Gore or Kerry. Am convinced of that. Of course that would only get him to 264 so he needs an other. In the end though I'm confident he will get over 300.


by conspiracy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:25:46 PM EST

Re: Michigan Still Blue (none / 0)

LET'S GO BLUE!:)


by djtyg on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 02:49:13 PM EST

Michigan is solid Obama (none / 0)

I've been trying to figure out, lately, why everyone says that Michigan is a toss up.  I think it's because it gets erroneously lumped in with Ohio and Pennsylvania.

The feeling I get here is that we're solid Obama country. And I live in a R+10 district (Rep. Dave Camp's).

We don't have the same cultural barriers that I think Ohio and Pennsylvania (the Appalachian parts) have.

Same goes for Wisconsin I think.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 04:24:04 PM EST


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