My First DDiary

This is my first MyDD diary, if you didn't guess by the title. I've been regularly writing at DKos for a little while now....

....wait, don't stop reading....

I like the idea that there are multiple forums to discuss Democratic issues, identity, and action. I like that they don't have the exact same sensibilities and the same set of diaries every day. I think it's healthy for the Party to have multiple voices and multiple points of view. In fact, internal conflict as we've seen in this election season can produce a healthier appreciation for the choices we face, the direction we hope to go, and the identity and culture of our Party.

I'm an Obama supporter. I used to support John Edwards. I lean to the left of the Party and consider myself a Progressive before I identify as a Democrat. The most important aspect of my political identity is my progressive sensibility. That's important for a number of reasons, but it applies directly to what we do here and at DKos and elsewhere. It's important to the election this year and to the general state of our Party and our nation.

Why?

The Democratic Party is just that, a party. It's a community of people who pool their ideas, resources, and values to elect a body of representatives capable of managing our government. It's a political body. What it isn't, and what it can never hope to be, is everything to everyone. That much is abundantly clear in the division that is taking place between supporters of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. We choose the direction of our party by nominating people within the party to run for office. When we do so, we are giving our approval to an agenda and a style of leadership that reflects us. It's imperative that this agenda and style of leadership works to uphold and honor the ideas, resources, and values that we've collectively determined.

Both major parties work along a continuum of ideas and values that put things in context. For a Democrat, certain ideas and values that make someone a centrist might look extremely liberal to a Republican. Some progressive ideas look Marxist to a Republican. It's a matter of perspective. As Democrats, be you centrist or progressive to use the most commonly attributed wings of the party identity, it's important to understand the vastly different ideas and values that we cherish in contrast to the Republicans. We may not always agree on the whole of these ideas and values, and we may not agree on the style of leadership that is best for each of us, but there is a general consensus about what separates us from the opposition.

To frame this in terms of the DailyKos/MyDD universe, we have clearly divided ourselves along the lines of 2008 presidential candidates. Great. That's a good way to get our ideas out there. It's also shown how bitter and nasty a family fight can become. There's nothing wrong with a little Hatfields and McCoys in the Democratic Party, as long as we all remember that we're Democrats. I know it's easy as an Obama supporter to take that position right now. I would like to think that I'd feel exactly the same way if Hillary were the nominee.

I think it's safe to say that most of us at these web-based communities are members of the NetRoots and are more often progressives than not. That said, MyDD especially intrigues me because the Clinton support seems to particularly draw on support from non-progressives. Perhaps it's the DLC affiliation that attracts some to Hillary, but I think it's probably more than that. Obama is the darling of the progressive community, although he embraces a mixed bag of progressive and centrist positions depending on the issue. I'm sure he has his fair share of support from non-progressives.

No Democrat can win without a coalition of Democratic voters from each of the main collectives within the Party. It would seem that the power is about to shift slightly away from the center, back toward the left, as the DLC sees itself at least temporarily out of control. Howard Dean and Barack Obama appear to be the new heads of the party and a more traditional set of left-Democratic ideas and values are coming to the forefront. I'm overjoyed to see this come to pass. I also hope that the diverse Democratic sensibility finds its representation in the new order of the Party to avoid an echo chamber that fails to respond to the complexity of our vast national landscape.

In the end, I'm asking anyone who will listen to accept and work hard for Barack Obama and the 50 State Strategy that Howard Dean has put into place. It's a package that can address the issues that face all of us. If you disagree with either of these people or the ideas that they subscribe to, use your voice to constructively debate. Use your voice to make sure that you're represented to the best of this Party's ability. None of us will agree with 100% of the positions or actions. That's why we all have to stay involved. The point is, we have a direction at the moment and if we give it the chance it deserves, it may just work to rescue the country from its ills. A party or a government is nothing more than a collection of people guided by the will of the electorate. If you don't love Obama or Dean, at least work with them. Get Obama elected and hold him to the things you care about. Don't let our family feud distract from the fact that this is still a family.

I'm curious. I'm posing this question to anyone who will read and comment here, "How do you describe your identity in terms of your place in the Democratic Party?" See the poll below, and expand on your choice in the comments.


Poll
How do you describe your identity in terms of your place in the Democratic Party?
Progressive
Liberal
Centrist
Conservative
Civil Libertarian
Blue Dog
Yellow Dog
Other

Votes: 23
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: My First DDiary (2.00 / 4)

Tips?


by mikeplugh on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:43:18 AM EST

Is this snark? (2.00 / 1)

seriously,

is this snark?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:46:23 AM EST
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Re: Is this snark? (2.00 / 2)

C'mon Al. Snark would be if I said we should work with McCain/Romney. ;)


by mikeplugh on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:50:51 AM EST
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DailyKos/MyDD (2.00 / 2)

Work together well, you should read both.  MyDD fostered more discussion between the two camps and often degenerated into a flame war, but gave a good place for free exchange between each side.  Sure there is some Clinton bias but it is nothing like No Quarter or Hill44.

There was pretty much no Clinton support left on DailyKos so you didn't have that lively debate, but the lack of that debate left much more room for issues diaries, house/senate diaries, and local election diaries and in general, productive cooperation.  


by libertyleft on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:46:42 AM EST

First off you weren't extremely inflammatory (2.00 / 3)

So that is good.  I am an Obama supporter here and I can say that some progressives like Hillary due to the mandate in her health care plan and I agree with her.

Most rational people here (including several Clinton supporters) like Howard and the 50 state strategy.  In face some of the more obtuse people throw it back that Obama has run a 47 state strategy.  There are a lot of good people here, so don't go too much further in characterizing our community.

It goes without saying I like Howard and is 50 state strategy and will work for Obama in the fall.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:48:08 AM EST

Re: My First DDiary (2.00 / 3)

I disagree that Obama is more liberal than the middle of the Democratic Party. In fact, I have a very hard time figuring out what his rock solid principles are, as in what he won't negotiate on. He frequently goes out of his way to praise the Republican Party and to give legitimacy to Republican ideas. His campaign against universal health care has been very disappointing.

Long before the primary season went completely off the rails, I settled on Clinton because of her qualifications, but also because of her dedication to universal health care and her proud support of the Democratic Party. I actually think she'd be a much more effective fighter for Democratic values and the Democratic Party.


by OrangeFur on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:54:36 AM EST

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i kind of agree.  and this word 'progressive' just seems like a newer term for liberal.  no?  to me HRC seems more 'liberal' than BO on domestic issues and more to the right on foreign policy.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:58:04 AM EST
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Progressive doesn't equal Liberal. It only works that way to those who bite the Right Wing line. Progressives have a very different alignment on things. Some within the liberal community are progressives, but liberalism is an ideological bent, while progressivism seeks to operate outside ideology to enact change towards social justice. That's why I think Obama is a progressive-type candidate. A liberal candidate is more likely to stridently adhere to their ideological sensibilities without regard to the pragmatic solution-based reality.

Or something like that...


by mikeplugh on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:03:50 AM EST
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I disagree with you OrangeFur. I think it's clear that Barack Obama is leaning to the left of the party. He's not as far left as Edwards or Kucinich, to speak of other presidential candidates, but he's certainly to the left of Hillary Clinton. That's not a knock against her in any way. Her DLC affiliation and her vote for the war and the Iranian Guard=terrorist organization illustrate that pretty clearly.

Obama believes in universal healthcare about as much as Hillary does. The shape of the plans are different, but they accomplish a giant leap towards universality, without either actually accomplishing it entirely. I don't think he's given legitimacy to GOP ideas as much as he's acknowledged that they exist and are part of the debate.

The positions he holds on most issues are standard liberal fare, except that he's been careful to show a willingness to discuss them. That's not to say that he'll compromise them. He's a diplomat. That's his greatest strength as a leader. He listens well. He stays even-keeled. I think he's shown, if anything, a propensity to hang onto his feelings too long (Wright).


by mikeplugh on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:00:56 AM EST
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Re: My First DDiary (2.00 / 3)

Well, we'll disagree. It would be one thing if his plan simply stopped short because he wanted to go in steps. Sending out the Harry and Louise style flyers and arguing against the Edwards-Clinton universal plan was much worse.

Perhaps his instincts on foreign policy are a bit less aggressive than others, though I can't be sure where he is on that either. He says he'll unilaterally enter Pakistan, then clarifies it. He says he'll talk to Iran, then backs away and adds all these preconditions. He seems too tentative and unsure of making a strong statement.

Domestically, I think he's more centrist than Clinton. Health care is one example. Another is his fairly weak response to the housing crunch. His three main economic advisers are all very centrist.

Stylistically, the interview where he praised Ronald Reagan and called the GOP the party of ideas was distressing. As was his interview with Chris Wallace, in which he said the GOP is better than the Democrats on a "whole host of issues." Compare that with the fierce argument that Clinton put up with O'Reilly the same week, and it's clear to me who is the better fighter for the Democratic brand.


by OrangeFur on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:10:43 AM EST
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"Stylistically, the interview where he praised Ronald Reagan and called the GOP the party of ideas was distressing. As was his interview with Chris Wallace, in which he said the GOP is better than the Democrats on a "whole host of issues." Compare that with the fierce argument that Clinton put up with O'Reilly the same week, and it's clear to me who is the better fighter for the Democratic brand."

I won't debate you on the other points because I think they're open to personal, contextual interpretation. I think it depends on the individual angle you approach these things how you see them.

The quote I copied above I think isn't 100% accurate. I don't think Obama agrees with Reagan stylistically at all. In fact, I think he repudiates everything about Reagan. When he talked about Reagan and the GOP as a party of ideas, he wasn't talking about good ideas. He was demonstrating how we've failed as a Democratic Party at being a party of ideas. Just look at page  37 in Crashing the Gates to see how he's right on the money. The GOP under Reagan projected a vision onto the American landscape that has stuck to this very day. Why do we still refer to people at Reagan Democrats? It's because the ideas that they projected stuck and shaped the entire national discourse. Obama seeks to have the same effect from the opposite direction. That's where he deserves credit.

I think the Reagan attribution was a political gimmick by the Clinton campaign to attack Obama. It was absolutely a fair one, but we have to recognize it for what it was and recognize the reality of his intention, especially now that he's 99% certain to be our nominee.


by mikeplugh on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:18:01 AM EST
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I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.  He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.  I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating.  I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.

That definitely sounds like praise to me, doesn't it?

He also said the GOP was the party of ideas in that they were challenging conventional wisdom, but that the ideas had run their course. This is more ambiguous, but I can't imagine most Democrats ever saying anything like that. Ted Kennedy would cut his tongue out before saying something like that.


by OrangeFur on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:30:59 AM EST
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Sounded like analysis to me, not praise.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:34:35 AM EST
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Well, I don't think anyone who read that came away thinking less of Ronald Reagan.


by OrangeFur on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:36:03 AM EST
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Like I said, it was analysis.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:44:43 AM EST
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You know Im not sure where I stand on the whole 50 state strategy. I see the disadvantages like 'wasting' money and resources on people that hate democrats aka. solidly republican states and peeps. But I mean it doesn't hurt to try and include these people.

Im pretty torn on whether I like it not.

And Im not even sure how I would classify myself. mostly being that Im still forming opinions and junk, right now I find myself being a realistic progressive. [I know that alot of the stuff I want to happen in this country wont happen because people aren't ready.] WHile I see being a centrist is the most politically advantageuos  because you capture the left (if there is no left candidate) and appeal to moderates and even to democrat leaning republicans.


"Rankles and Rush Limbaugh, ruining the chaos brand since 2008."
by alyssa chaos on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:04:05 AM EST


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