I am sure we will see people try to push this tommorow, but we are ready and they will fail.

BTW anyone want to start a pool on who the first is to post it, I say SoCalDarlin, the person on the McCain supporters blog and who linked to Larry Sine-Claire.

It is stupid shit.  Remember all the crap Hillary got slung at her in 1992 - and from democrats?  Bill Clinton dressed down his opponent in the primaries for trying slam her.

Michelle Obama is very much like Hillary - outspoken, strong, smart and states what is on her mind.  She will get this type of crap slung at her and I will defend her.

If this is true then it's a new low... how sad... The Repugs can't even find real dirt on Obama so they have to manufacture shit.

The only network this is really going to gain any traction on is Fox because....well....it's Fox.

If any other station picks it up, I would hope it would be just to mock the sheer stupidity of it.

Michelle Obama does not hate white people.

As far as I know.

And as a Clinton supporter, I'll be glad to help you rip Johnson's false assertions to shreds. Down with the sick, racist mentality which would drive someone to lie about something like this. I'm tired of this sh*t.

Where is this "transcript" coming from? Why do people think this is the wording (why'd he vs. whitey) that is in the tape.

He's not releasing the tape tomorrow - he's just releasing a story of some kind. And how do you know it's fake? Where is the information coming from that she's criticizing the Bush administration? Now, I don't read NoQuarter Daily but I haven't seen any reference to what you're referring to.

Help get the truth out there before this gets out of hand:

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Larry_ Johnson_s_alleged_Michelle_Obama_whitey_ video

I really have a very difficult time believing that there is any kind of tape with Michelle Obama saying those things.  She is not a racist.  She loves this country, and I believe that she is a good person.

If this tape turns out to be something along the lines of what's been written here, I will absolutely reject and renounce it and anybody who is pushing it.

Clinton about the RFK comments, on the contrary he's the one who stoked the flames. What goes around, comes around.

The diary was okay. The comments all calling out commenters is a reason to get banned from MyDD.

I'd join you in the troll paranoia but I lost my tin foil hat. Not everyone that supported Clinton or supports Clinton is a troll and many of the ones you called out are supporting who they believe to be the best qualified democrat among the ones they had to pick from.

Not a very respectful diary summary.

I asked you about this on Kos the other day and got Tboned for it, partially my own fault due to my newbieness in blogging.  Regardless, thanks for addressing this and shedding light on this issue and I am happy and relieved to understand it is nothing but a smear.  Thanks again

...it's impossible to keep something like this secret if it did exist.  The fact that no one is willing to go on the record as actually seeing the tape is pretty strong proof that it doesn't exist.

That's an impressively detailed conclusion, for having never seen or heard the footage, or without even being sure it exists...

This diary, coming from someone who organized people to sift through the Clinton's tax reutrns, is just too fucking rich!!!

Well, You remember when LC Nutbag said he had "major development" to announce today ?
WEll all he had to announce that his five sources say the tape is stunning because Michelle O. is sitting at a panel with Louis Farrakhan in Wright's Church while making her comments.
Anyone care to pick this apart ? Louis F. and Michelle O. doing a conference together and NO journalist has noticed it ? Includsing people like Lynn Sweet who has covered the Obamas for years ? Doing panels ? In a church ?

This is such a bunch of BS i cant believe I let this upset me for a minute on Saturday. Urgh

ers have thrown Hillary under the bus with very devious and underhanded tactics, we should brush ourselves off, and do whatever we can to make sure nobody does to Obama what his supporters have done to Clinton.

We should be more like Slinkerwink, who urged hundreds of thousands of Kosacks to pour through Hillary and Bill Clinton's tax returns for mud to slink (get it) at them.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4 /3/10303/42850

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4 /4/8341/93919

Or asking Obama supporters to protest Hillary Clinton:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/22/ 054/87223/540/520182

Or pushing smears of Hillary Clinton to hundreds of thousands of people:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/8/8 5233/24622/945/511617

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/7/1 13231/5347/632/510929

Or reveling in the possibility that the Obama camp will use old mud to sling at the Clintons:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/ 75832/6040/971/501437

Or, well... you get the point.  Feel free, when thinking about whether to support Slinkerwink in debunking smears of Obama, to pick you favorite attack on Hillary out of Slinkerwink's collection:

http://www.dailykos.com/user/slinkerwink /diary/1

Hey, Slinkerwink:  I am really motivated to help you in your efforts to insulate your candidate from the horrible things you have done to my candidate.  So, where do I sign up?

I remember when Hillary Clinton was smeared like this, and I hide-rate anyone that brings up the stupid Vince Foster shit.

Exactly the type of thing that can be found in abundance on dailykos, and there wasn't anyone hide rating it, and that is one of the reasons I left.

Larry Johnson is worse than Lee Atwater

What a pig, and he looks like one too

He is obviously an oppo researcher for the GOP and part of Operation Chaos and the fact that some die hard Clinton  "supporters" take him even slightly seriously is serious evidence that they are deranged or also working for the GOP

Larry Johnson should be shunned by all ethical progressives and democrats, not one page hit, not one reference in any legitimate blog

The fact that his BS routinely makes the rec list at MyDD is one of the single biggest reasons MyDD has come to seem like a pathetic shell of its former self

All of you crazies, please go away now?  We have a nominee

This stupid tit for tat crap has got to stop.

So is the claim that indeed the Obama knows perfectly well of the existence of the tape, and indeed knows the exact content of the tape -- to the point that they can claim that every single time Michelle supposedly says "whitey" it can be perfectly well understood to mean "why'd he" -- or is it the case that no such tape actually exists?

For those on the Obama side who say that it's really nothing more than substituting "why'd he" for "whitey", I have to ask, how can they possibly know that for sure, and how can they presume to expect that others should believe them without evidence? I would ask them to pressure the Obama campaign to release the tape so that we can all evaluate it. Short of that, their own claims that every single time Michelle says "whitey" it can be understood as "why'd he" should be treated with all the suspicion that the existence of the tape should be treated with, until that tape is produced.

 If it turns out that there is a tape, and it turns out to be as simple a misunderstanding as hearing "Whitey" instead of "Why'd he?" I don't see how it could do any real damage to Obama.
  If anything it could galvanize people to vote for him by way of voting against the use of a smear which presumes some real ignorance and gullibility.
  People may have been disgusted by the Lewinsky affair but they were even more disgusted that it was used as an excuse for impeachment.  Bill Clinton's popularity actually went up.
  His popularity went up among ALL Americans, not just Democrats.  It'd be good to remember that before making assumptions about this "possible" tape and its effect on "gullible voters."
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(AllPolitics, December 20) -- In the wake of the House of Representatives' approval of two articles of impeachment, Bill Clinton's approval rating has jumped 10 points to 73 percent, the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll shows.

That's not only an all-time high for Clinton, it also beats the highest approval rating President Ronald Reagan ever had.

At the same time, the number of Americans with an unfavorable view of the Republican Party has jumped 10 points; less than a third of the country now has a favorable view of the GOP.
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    People just don't LIKE this B.S. If it's clear that she was talking about Bush - well the American people pretty much agree with her. In the wake of the McClellan revelations they are tuned into deliberate distortions in the service of political power.
  Give the American people some credit here.

is that you are blind quoting Booman blind quoting Student Guy's speculation from yesterday here at MyDD, nothing less, nothing more.

You should update the diary and post the link to Student Guy's diary so people can read the important line you don't include:

In fact, I through my awesome investigative researching of aforementioned tape can predict what they will claim Michelle said:

Ie. StudentGuy was just posting speculation, and you and Booman are, too. In fact, by NOT posting that link, you are effectively spreading Larry Johnson's story for him.

If you don't have a link, you are either speculating or spreading rumors or voicing your own personal opinion.

Use some common sense.

And update the diary, please.

How can anyone knock the tape down or defend Michelle until anyone has heard it? From my understanding, no one has heard it yet.

I'm prepared to give Michelle the benefit of the doubt since no one has heard it and I have seen no proof it actually exists.  And if it doesn't come out until November, supposedly, then how can anyone "use" it now?  It seems to be a big fat rumor so far, and nothing else. I don't see how rumors are useful. I don't prefer to support Obama for President, but until this video surfaces, in my opinion it doesn't exist.  It's just rumor.  You can't use rumors as fact.

Looks like some folks at hillaryis44 are fine with baseless rumors.  One slimeball there said:

The rumor could do him more damage than the real thing if this picks up a life of its own. People love suspense, mystery and intrigue. It sells at the newsstands. His camp knows this and is waiting to see if it picks up steam. It seems to be doing so.

Chess anyone?
http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=642#commen t-169270

Remember the Kantor video which was evidently doctored and spread around by Obama supporters? Remember how Obama supporters boosted that fake story? No well here are 2 diaries on MYDD:

So Kantor, Stephanapoulos and Carville are standing in a room... Add to Hotlist

by pinche tejano, Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:54:53 AM EST (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/2/10545 3/1273)

dismissive liberals to white workers: drop dead Add to Hotlist

by blackflag, Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:12:30 AM EST (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/3/71230 /43298)

not to mention a whole slew of "technical" analysis at the cheetos site:

http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0& amp;old_count=30&string=kantor&t ype=diary&sortby=relevance&count =30&wayback=131040&wayfront=0&am p;next=Next+Page+%3E%3E

Why do you complain now? This debasement of the political discourse with fake videos making racial charges was started by the Obama followers. You own it, you deal with it. It is wrong. I will not promote a fake video but I will not jump in to defend you either. Maybe like the Kantor video it should be debunked by the MSM instead of being repudiated by Democrats.

FYI, for those expecting to SEE the tape, GET REAL. Read Larry Johnson's description of what is ON the tape. That is the story.

GET REAL?!

Well, if that doesn't just say it all.

Whether this is valid or not, I really don't know. The below site/link claims that this is off of Larry Johnson's site...as of today.

I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about "whitey" describe it as "STUNNING." I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright's Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks.

If the quotation is as you have stated, it would be fairly easy to determine her intent. As a Harvard educated person herself I am going to assume if she wanted to say:

"Whitie do nothing about Jena?"

She would say it like this:

"Whitie did nothing about Jena"
or
"Whitie does nothing about Jena"

Because "Why'd he" is past tense and would fit with "do nothing" but not with "did nothing".

Thus, in this sentence (if she ever spoke this sentence) we can discern her intent. The "do" vs. "did" is the key word that will separate "Why'd he" vs. "Whitie"

We of course need to wait for the tape or other proof.

Booman, your post is laughable and hipocytical.

Booman, your post is laughable and hypocritical.

welcome all you no25cents folks...

Everyone here has their own favorite troll recipe..

I prefer troll sushi...raw

To the tune of "Doe, a Deer"

<ahem>

Troll, a fear, a foundless fear,

Spray, a clop of slimey phlegm,

Creep, a name, I call yourself,

Far - how much you have to run,

Blow, a wheedle pulling threats,

Laugh, at what you have to say,

Lie, you'd jam one in my head,

That because you're such a:

Troll troll troll troll troll!

:~P

-chris

This is a comment on "Liberacious'" mucous, but since it's likely to be deleted forthwith, I post this here simply because I had so much fun writing it.

My goodness.

I guess I had assumed, like most people, that this tape simply didn't exist.

If the tape does exist, and the reality is as Booman describes it, then there would indeed be no words for the outrageousness of that smear.

I am going to reserve judgment until the day the tape emerges... which may never come.  To be clear, while I'm not sure any of the possible scenarios are particularly plausible, I find Larry Johnson's scenario to be the least plausible of all.  He's free to prove me wrong if he can.

Whether people here believe the tape to be fiction, the fact is that as soon as a number of voters hear the words "Michelle Obama" connected with "Louis Farrakhan", the damage will be done. Considering some of the statements Michelle has made in the past, no video is necessary, as many will consider the association alone damaging enough without the insertion of the derogatory terms alledgedly used. The more people hear of this, the more people will believe in it. I can't tell you how many people still believe the crap about Bill Clinton that has been debunked over the years, so you're only kidding yourselves if you think this thing doesn't have legs. This is, after all, a claim much easier for most white Americans to believe than the one peddled calling the Clintons racist.

While white voters will vote for a black candidate, they will never consider any black candidate associated with the likes of Louis Farrakhan, and it's that aspect alone that will derail Obama's GE chances - should he be the nominee - and result in a most humiliating defeat.

First, I don't know a single black person that uses the term "whitey". This story in concocted by bigots whose last contact with a black person has been through watching seventies blaxploitation films.

Second, a Harvard educated speaker is not going to use the sentence construction, "whitie do nothing about Jena"

Third, the Obama campaign has studiously avoided anything that stokes white/black tensions. Michelle would simply not say anything like this on the trail, as it's simply stupid politics.

Anybody who circulates this is beneath contempt and a bigoted pig.  For those who say "he did it too" by dragging out perceived sexist sleights by Obama are working against making this country a better place.  A thinking Democrat would work against all the nasty isms and would never perpetuate one as revenge for another.  If any of this crap starts appearing here, the poster should be troll-rated, hid, and banned.  This is some disgusting garbage.

Yet many times Obama supporters have stood silent or derided Hillary and her supporters whenever sexism reared its ugly head.

I happen to agree with your assessment of the likelihood of Michelle using certain terminology, but consider it highly plausible that Michelle did use certain words or phrases while reflecting her upbringing in a setting with certain individuals that could prove very damaging with Obama's standing within the white community.

Six degrees of separation from Louis Farrakhan will most certainly not be enough in this case.

Am I the only one who doesn't think the tape even exists?

First of all, I'll believe the tape exists when I see it. But what exactly are you asking from us?

And did you defend Senator Clinton from the "as far as I know" muslim-baiting smear? Or the RFK remark means she wants to assasinate Obama smear?

I don't understand what you're asking from us now.

"Clinton supporters, I ask you to help me and other decent Democrats knock this tape down, because what it is nothing more than a fake smear of Michelle Obama."

You mean, like Mr. Obama and his supporters helped defend Hillary against horrible misogynist attacks throughout the primary campaign?  

I'm a woman and a feminist and I have to say, I don't get what miker2008 is talking about when referring to defending Hillary against "horrible misogynist attacks."

For one, the idea that a male candidate should come to the defense of a female candidate seems to me to me patronizing at best and sexist at worst.  

For another, what attacks does the poster mean? The shock jocks yelling something stupid in NH? The nutrackers, which it is said is sold in airport gift shops, but I've never seen although I travel a lot? Some obnoxious comments by some pundits?  These guys are crappy to everyone and I can't imagine anyone asking HRC to defend Obama when they said something inappropriate.

they should show it themselves, and not let pugs release it late in October.  

As a way of raising discourse here, could you refrain from calling Republicans "pugs?" I've never been a Republican but I think it's best to avoid all name-calling. If we want to attract people from different points of view to the Democratic party, it isn't helpful to call folks names not of their choosing.