I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for This

I'm going to do it anyway. I sent this to my candidate today:

Dear Senator Clinton,

I have been reading today that you will hold a rally in NY tomorrow night that will be a pivotal moment in your campaign. There are many rumors circulating and much speculation about what will occur. I understand if you are going to suspend your campaign. I will be elated if you continue your campaign. I would like to ask you to consider the following, however. As a feminist and a woman with two daughters I would ask you not to endorse Senator Obama.

I realize that as a Democrat the conventional wisdom is that you must endorse him to be seen as a team player. The fact is that your team has benched you. Your supporters see this and we are appalled. We have watched as the media and the pundits and your own opponent, a fellow Democrat for crying out loud, have insulted and belittled you time and again. We have watched as the leaders of your party remained silent in the face of the most egregious misogyny. The excuse given when cries of sexism erupted was always "it's not about women, it's about her," as if that made it ok.

The fact is that when Senator Obama dismissed a female reporter with his "sweetie" comment and the boyz with him snickered he showed his true colors, and demonstrated once and for all that the "it's just Hillary" argument is false. I am extremely worried about the fall out of this campaign in terms of what will now be acceptable behavior toward women who compete in traditionally male arenas.

My daughter, as the only natural born citizen in our Canadian immigrant family always used to say "I'm the only one in the family who can be President. I guess I'll have to do it." It was adorable to hear her say that when she was four and five years old and I never doubted that if that was what she wanted, that was what she could do. I doubt it now.

If you choose to fight this all the way, I am behind you. I will be happy to spend the summer fighting the good fight here in Washington state or wherever I would be effective. What I will not do is cast a vote for Senator Obama, period. I will also not cast a vote for anyone who has endorsed him. I will happily go to the polls and vote for any downballot Democrat who has endorsed you. I will write in your name on my ballot if that is allowed in my state, but I will never tick the box next to the name of a man who has condoned and benefitted from the demeaning and subdugation of American women.

Sincerely,

(me)

Fire away. Wait, I know: So you want your candidate to destroy her career? You're not a Democrat. Abortion! War! McCain is a crazy old coot! Sore loser! Sour grapes! Is this snark? Really.

Do your worst. It's water off a duck's back at this point.


Poll
Presidential Preference
Obama
Clinton
McCain
Any old vegetable with a "D" stamped on it in blue
None of the above
All of the above. Seriously! Co-Presidents! It's unifying!
Bill Clinton
Unicorns
Rainbows

Votes: 77
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (1.77 / 9)

Nice try, troll.


by skywaker9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:37:02 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (1.28 / 7)

Oooo. Good one.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:37:43 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (1.81 / 11)

The fact is that when Senator Obama dismissed a female reporter with his "sweetie" comment and the boyz with him snickered he showed his true colors.

Extra troll points for the "boyz" reference.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:47:30 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

"Boyz"?  So I suppose if I said "the Hillary girls will be crying all night tomorrow" you wouldn't take offense to that?


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:03:45 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

Okay... so, in your limited scope of concepts about teams, if you get benched, you should not cheer on and support your team?  This is not actually how teams work... if you get benched it is because your contribution was either not as good as some others or detrimental to the team's chances of winning.  Maybe you are just having an off day.  If Peyton Manning gets benched by Tony Dungy because he has thrown 4 interceptions, the rest of the Colts team and fans do not stop supporting their team... or worse, supporting the other team.  The old expression is, "there is no 'i' in team".... There is a "me" though...

Other than that, ummm.... whatever to the rest.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:52:18 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

Paging Lt. Nicolas Chauvin


by amadon on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:26:56 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 3)

well, I prefer unicorns - can I have pink ones?


by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:37:40 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

They're rainbow colored. For unity's sake.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:38:18 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

but...but...you already have rainbows all by themselves

sniff...


by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:52:13 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

colebiancardi--actually you prefer a savior candidate who will save the world . . . .


by trixta on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 3)

Trixta, in case you haven't noticed, Cole is a big time Clinton supporter. How have you not been banned yet?


by wasder on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:54:53 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

You know why, because Trixta's comments are so lame and so weak, that noone even takes the time to call her out, but me.

Just look at her comments history.  when you look at the whole diary as a context and they see her comments they are SOooo funny.


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:57:49 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 3)

Oh my favorite "concern" troll with the 2008 award for the least creative name.

Trixta, I know everyone ignores you, but I wont.

I know how lonely it is to be a runt in the troll world.

FYI- Trixta, colebiancardi was hardcore for Clinton, therefore you look like an ass.
Realize that the war you were late for is long over now.  


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:56:42 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

"You're not a Democrat. Abortion! War! McCain is a crazy old coot! Sore loser! Sour grapes! Is this snark? Really."

I'm just sad that you can look past what you already know.  Hopefully you will, at least for our troop's sake, come to our senses.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:38:22 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

I'm looking past what you think you know.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:40:11 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 13)

I know I want my brother to come home for Iraq.  And that will not happen in a McCain presidency.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:42:10 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

Best wishes to your brother...

I hope he stays safe and comes home soon.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:53:15 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

I want your brother to come home from Iraq, too.


We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:24:10 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (1.66 / 3)

Don't feed the trolls. It only encourages them.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:39:45 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

Anyone who doesn't support Obama 110% is a troll.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:41:10 PM EST
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Obama is an asshole. Hillary is an asshole (2.00 / 1)

so am I, for that matter. now, what was that about trolls again? ;-)

It's a free country. Even when i speak truth, it's still free to disagree.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45:00 PM EST
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Re: Obama is an asshole. Hillary is an asshole (none / 0)

for some reason, that old Dr Pepper song went thru my mind when I read the subject..

I'm a Pepper, You're a Pepper, wouldn't you like to be a Pepper tooo


by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:54:11 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

That's where you're wrong. There are plenty of people who support Obama 2% that aren't trolls. Your support of Obama at 0% despite the similarities to Clinton is what makes you a troll.


by Thadd Selden on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:49:50 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

Nice strawman argument (OHZ NOEZ, IS THAT SEXIST?!?).  You're a troll because you're ripping the Democratic nominee on a Democratic blog.  Now, good-bye to you and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:26:13 PM EST
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There is no nominee until the vote in Denver! (2.00 / 1)


by itsadryheat on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:37:00 PM EST
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Re: There is no nominee until the vote in Denver! (none / 0)

Hillary will concede gracefully tomorrow and throw her full support behind Obama.  Will you be so graceful?


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:03:06 PM EST
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Why should a candidate quit 90 days pre-vote? (none / 0)


by itsadryheat on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:09:28 AM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to (2.00 / 4)

We all get the future we deserve.

If you value fighting to redress these slights more than you value those things Senator Clinton has fought for, well, that's your call.

I don't believe she declared her candidacy solely to further women in this country.

Again, it's your vote and your voice, and you're free to use it however you like.  But please remember that if all that mattered was Hillary, then you'd be happy to vote for her if she happened to be a devout Republican.

I doubt it's just the personality.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:40:54 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to (2.00 / 1)

She declared her candidacy for many good reasons. If Hillary showed as much strength, leadership and good sense on Democratic issue as she has and was a Republican you bet your booty I'd vote for her.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:43:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Chafee Democrat. (none / 0)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45:38 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to (2.00 / 3)

Don't you understand that the Republican Party will not nominate someone who fights for her issues?

This isn't complicated.  Do what you like, but please don't be an idiot about it.  Your vote is your own.  You are entitled to your own opinion.

You are not, however, entitled to you own facts.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:53:21 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (1.71 / 7)

I really hope you didn't include the "boyz" misspelling in your letter to Senator Clinton. It makes you look kind of unhinged.


by upstate girl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:41:55 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 3)

I think you have misplaced your frustration with the media onto Barack Obama. Say what you will but the man is not sexist.


by wasder on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:41:56 PM EST

Do you want a banana? (none / 0)


by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:42:07 PM EST

Re: Do you want a banana? (2.00 / 2)

This thing...this thing haunts me now. Why, Youtube, whyyyyyyyyyyyyy....


by upstate girl on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45:09 PM EST
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Re: Do you want a banana? (none / 0)

No thanks.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45:14 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to (2.00 / 8)

I'm not sure what the point is here.  You clearly are seeking to provoke a response from your audience, but you somehow suggest that that response is illegitimate.  It seems like a fairly vain effort (in both senses).


by rfahey22 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:42:52 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

Great post!  My sentiments exactly!


by trixta on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:44:42 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

Why am I not surprised?


by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45:43 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

Blind devotion to a person because they have a (D) behind their name pretty much flies in the face of the principles of democracy.

The media continues to greatly exaggerate claims of Clinton's demise...as they have since Iowa.

Personally, I'm still in "wait and see" mode.  I think everyone would be doing themselves a service by adopting that approach.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:45:54 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 5)

I did not used to be a 'Yellow Dog Dem'....after the past 8 years, however, I am not only a Yellow Dog Dem....I am a Mangy, Flea Ridden, Three-legged, Snaggle-Toothed, Rabid Yellow Dog Dem.

For at least the next couple of election cycles I will vote for whoever has the D beside their name. I don't think this is blindness...it is the reality of having lived through 2 W. Bush terms.

As to being in the 'wait and see' mode....I actually agree with you there. No need trying to read into/figure out what is gonna happen. What will happen will happen soon enough.


by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:49:56 PM EST
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When Bush was first inaugurated... (2.00 / 2)

I was in the second semester of eighth grade.  I had my bat mitzvah only five months before the election.

When Bush leaves office, I'll have been a college graduate for about eight months, and only about six months away from my wedding.

Just thought that might bring in a little perspective to supplement your excellent points.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:03:12 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

wait and see what? If "something" happens to Obama.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:51:53 PM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

Well, didn't you hear it in the Argus interview?  Us over here in the Clinton camp are sitting on our hands until someone kills Obama.  Duh.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 12:09:25 AM EST
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Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 1)

Hey it's Portia9's right to vote or not vote as she sees fit.

My sense is her candidate is not going to agree with her choice.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:46:49 PM EST

Class, it's that great thing (2.00 / 3)

that both Obama and Hillary have, and you don't.

When you want to be classy, come talk.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:47:05 PM EST

Yeah yeah yeah (2.00 / 4)

Do what every you want sweetie.  We will do our best without you.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:47:55 PM EST

I can haz GLaDoS (none / 0)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:49:44 PM EST

Reply (2.00 / 4)

She has been treated just as every politician going back decades or even centuries has been treated. Meaning she has been ridiculed, belittled, and worse.

Do you believe that she should be treated with kid gloves because she is a woman? Do you believe she should be given a free pass from criticism? I thought the entire point of feminism and women's rights was to be treated equally, not to be treated preferentially or treated unequally? Is this not the case?

Here is what I believe. There are many Clinton supporters who are finding sexism and misogyny where they want to find it, just as there are many Obama supporters who find racism where they want to find it.

Truthfully, it sounds like nothing more than whining because your candidate didn't win.

I emphasize that you should vote your conscious. You have months to cool down and think this over. If you still believe that Obama does not deserve your vote, then by all means do not vote for him. But consider the consequences. Votes of conscious did us a lot of good in 2000. This year, a lack of votes could mean someone who really is a misogynist being in the White House (a man who calls his wife a c*nt) or someone who is significantly more in line with your political views and who happened used the term sweetie (universally recognized as a term of endearment).

Vote for who you want, just be able to understand the consequences.


by PSUdan on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:50:37 PM EST

Clinton has said it'd be a GRAVE error for you not (2.00 / 5)

to vote for Obama.


by slinkerwink on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:50:39 PM EST

If you feel that way, that's your right. (2.00 / 2)

Personally, as a woman, I find it silly--I see it as sacrificing the general good on the altar of  second-wave feminism.  But I'm not going to fight you on it...it would only frustrate us both.

I will, however, point out that your poll is lacking in puppies.  I want a puppy president, dammit!


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:52:31 PM EST

Obama supporters. 3 words. (2.00 / 2)

Let

it

go.

It ain't worth it. Let the diarist have her moment. You'll get 6 months to change her mind, or not.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:53:35 PM EST

Shredding (none / 0)

How do you justify going off on the "sweetie" remark and adding boyz to the mix?  It destroys any credibility you were trying to achieve.


by temptxan on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:55:58 PM EST

Bill Clinton vs Obama: sexism (none / 0)

What was your opinion of Bill Clinton's behavior? I am not condemning him. But he has done "more sexist" stff (by your standards) if you consider Obama's lil comment as proof that he is some unacceptable sexist.


by Pravin on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:56:59 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 3)

[  ] Non-troll diary
[X] Troll diary
by Reeves on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:57:05 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 7)

ire away. Wait, I know: So you want your candidate to destroy her career? You're not a Democrat. Abortion! War! McCain is a crazy old coot! Sore loser! Sour grapes! Is this snark? Really.

I love these trollish diaries that not only come at you with near-hysteria (Obama is a scumbag misogynist a-hole and no way in HELL am I EVER voting for him!!1!!1!), but they're also so insecure that they attempt to shut down any opposition. So brave portia challenges everyone to "fire away," yet she's already reduced the dissent to an absurdist caricature.

Here's a clue, folks. Anytime someone reduces the issues in this election a punchline ("Abortion! War!"), they obviously don't give a damn about the party or winning the election. The issues don't matter to them; only electing a particular candidate does.

portia, I'm not going to beg and plead for someone like this to pretty please vote for a Democrat. If you're reduced to mocking the issues we all care about, then don't hit the door hit you on the way out. Go laugh about abortion and war with John McCain...he'll appreciate your jaded derision.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:02:47 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (none / 0)

accursed typos. that's what you get for trying to dash these things out when you're supposed to be working.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:08:25 PM EST
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Hypocrisy alert. (2.00 / 2)

First of all I am insulted by your use of the word "boyz". For someone who was supposedly sensitive about words, you show a very nasty hypocrisy on the manner of diminutives.

And as for the word "sweetie" Obama apologized for it that same day. I wish I'd heard the Clinton campaign apologize at all (even with a month's delay) for all the "Kool-aid" and "latte sipper" and "egghead" comments I've heard from them in their anti-intellectual and anti-youth bigotry, let alone their effort to use racial divisiveness with their "hard-working people, white people" argument, with their Farrakhans and Wrights.

Indeed I wish I'd heard you condemn those comments, same as I condemned the "sweetie" comment.

So honestly, I don't very much like or appreciate your extreme hypocrisy on this issue.


by Aris Katsaris on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:06:28 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped (none / 0)

I'll be honest and say that I'm not that enthused about an Obama candidacy unless Hillary is on the ticket.  I could also accept Edwards as VP, or Clark and possibly, Biden.

But to me the job of VP goes to the person who can deliver a state, deliver votes, and be able to take over should anything happen to the President.

On those counts, Hillary is by far the most qualified.  To see the most qualified person (who happens to be a woman) not get that job would be a disappointment.

In the old days, the VP was the general election candidate who got the second most votes.  It seems like a good model for the Democratic Party for this year, seeing as how the second place finisher actually received more votes than the nominee.


by khyber900 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:08:06 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped (none / 0)

Except she didn't.


by Reeves on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:19:29 PM EST
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Love your diary (1.00 / 3)

Tips & Rec'd and I AGREE!!!

I think tomorrow night she should announce her candidacy as an Independent!!!


by nikkid on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:08:21 PM EST

Re: Love your diary (2.00 / 2)

One Huge problem with that.
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat.
She will be supporting the Democratic Candidate.
She will be asking her Supporters to support the Democratic Candidate.
The vast majority of her Supporters will do so....because, well, they are Democrats.
by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:13:34 PM EST
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Re: Love your diary (none / 0)

Ah,

So you really do want McCain to win?

Surely you don't believe that Clinton as an independent has a snowball's chance in hell of winning...


by PSUdan on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:18:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Too late for that (none / 0)

While there is no federal law preventing her from running as an independent, actually getting onto the ballot in all 50 states would be next to impossible.


by professor on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 07:48:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

where and when is the rally? (none / 0)

anyone know where and when the rally is?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:11:48 PM EST

Re: where and when is the rally? (none / 0)

It's at Baruch College.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/events/tic keted/20080603NewYork/

An interesting linguistic note: The words Baruch and Barack are related and refer to "blessing."


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:13:51 PM EST
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Re: where and when is the rally? (none / 0)

do you know if anyone who has a ticket can just go to it?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 09:21:56 PM EST
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Your blog spot is an indicator (2.00 / 2)

So instead of a blog that supports your candidate, you have a blog about Obama.

Sort of an indication of your lack of intellectual rigor when you spend more time focused on Obama instead of your own candidate (or the presumptive Republican candidate).  Don't you think?


by Regenman on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:17:22 PM EST

Re: Your blog spot is an indicator (2.00 / 1)

Ah...yet another indicator of 'supporter' status.
More focused on attacking the opponent than in promoting the one that they are supposedly supporting.
Such behavior is anything but supportive of her candidate.
Neither Hillary nor Obama would appreciate such 'support'.
by Kysen on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:22:43 PM EST
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Spare Me (2.00 / 1)

Please grow up.   If anybody was dissed by this fellow democrat is was Obama.    Hillary said she and McCain brought a lifetime of experience, Obama brought a speech.   She and McCain had passed her imaginary commander in chief threshold but Obama had not.   All the while Obama said she was qualified and would make a good president.    Pay attention to what hes saying, lay off the noquarter, Hillaryis44 and Taylor Marsh and you just might learn something.  

Some of you feminists need to pick a talking point and stick with it.   Is she a fighter, who plays hardball and  who brought up Trumans line if you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen?    Or is she a victim.    Its like Clintonian math, it changes daily.  


A vote for John McCain is a vote against Hillary Clinton
by realistdem on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:18:27 PM EST

hmm (2.00 / 2)

I appreciate your concern.


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:25:03 PM EST

Here's hoping your daughter (none / 0)

grows up with more sense than her mom.




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:34:26 PM EST

Re: Here's hoping your daughter (2.00 / 1)

Way to unify!


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:45:28 PM EST
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It should be blatantly obvious... (2.00 / 1)

...that he doesn't want to unify you with anything.

Neither, for that matter, are you interested in unifying with Obama should he be the nominee.

So why bother..?

You clearly believe your own talking points and do not want to be persuaded, or dissuaded from them.

I wish you a wonderful and productive life.

Good Day.


by CanuckinMA on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:13:02 PM EST
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What Obama has said about Clinton (2.00 / 2)

I don't think it's fair to say that Obama has dissed Clinton - not even remotely.  Has he said he thinks he'd be better?  Of course.  That's what candidates do - it's completely fair.  

As for what he's said about her, here he is Iowa:  

The road here has been long, and that is partly because we've traveled it with one of the most formidable candidates to ever run for this office. In her thirty-five years of public service, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has never given up on her fight for the American people, and tonight I congratulate her on her victory in Kentucky. We have had our disagreements during this campaign, but we all admire her courage, her commitment and her perseverance. No matter how this primary ends, Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age.

What, exactly, is wrong with this?  I hope I have enemies who say such things about me.


by TL on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:42:15 PM EST

Revenge (2.00 / 2)

I just read through all of the comments, and yeah, you got ripped to shreds because your diary was dumb.  I understand your feelings are hurt that your candidate lost, but I find it hard to believe a sane adult would post such nonsense.  In the simplest terms, you are willing to "chop your nose off to spite your face."

"By taking revenge, a man (woman) is but even with his enemy; but in passing over it, he (she) is superior."
-Unknown


Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.
by Dirk Diggler on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:56:12 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped to Shreds for T (2.00 / 2)

If you've already made the decision not to vote for the presumptive Democratic nominee, or anyone who endorsed him, why are you still posting on a progressive Democratic blogsite?


by Shaun Appleby on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 05:32:19 PM EST

Re: I Know I'm Going to Get Ripped (none / 0)

I won't rip you to shreds but are you suggesting that its now OK for all of us to start playing the gender card?  Since I am a male, I should never vote for a female and vice versa?  After gender bias, maybe a little race bias, religious bias, height, weight, maybe even bias towards disabled people?  Not very American I know and highly unconstitutional but it sounds to me like there are a lot of people that are are all of a sudden perfectly OK engaging in the politics of discrimination.      

I don't think she lost over her gender, I think she had a lousy campaign staff with no long-term strategy and a husband who did her absolutely no favors.  It was Bill's mouth that turned me from Hillary to Obama.  If you want to blame some boys, I'd point at all the boys that she has chose to surround herself with.  Mark Penn, Wolfson, Bill himself.  Not to mention she forgot the all important rule.  If the men in your life aren't exactly bright, they damn well better look good in Speedos.

 


by Rick in Eugene on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:59:54 PM EST

Ickes and Terry Mc (none / 0)

Talk about some f-uglies there.

Oops, was that sexist criticizing the looks of a man?  I apologize....


by Regenman on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:14:02 PM EST
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