Good News For Clinton Supporters:: Obama Is Competitive With Whites

Jonathan Martin, who covers the Republican presidential campaign, reports that:

GOP strategist Steve Lombardo has a new poll and finds some troubling signs for McCain therein.

   LCG conducted a national survey of 1,000 registered voters May 26-28th. The following are the highlights:

   The poor economy is THE driving force in this election. The economy is by far the most important issue for Americans, eclipsing Iraq by more than a 2 to 1 margin. Healthcare and social/moral issues are tied for third.

   President Bush is dead weight for nearly every Republican running in November. Bush's favorability is at 32%. More importantly, nearly half of voters (49%) have a "very unfavorable" opinion of the President.

   McCain and Obama start the election with similar favorability ratings. Both have similar unfavorable ratings (approximately 40%); there are, however, some differences among specific sub-groups:

   McCain does better among those who are married, non-Catholic Christians and evangelicals.
    Obama does better among those who are younger, not married, have college degrees and are non-Christians.

   In a head-to-head, Obama is beating McCain by a very narrow margin (44% to 40%). As we have said before, we believe that Obama will get a 10-point bounce once he is officially the nominee and Clinton voters "return home." Having said that, this data is instructional as to where the strengths and weaknesses lie for each candidate:

   McCain is not doing well enough among men to bridge the historical gender gap with women. The presidential voting pattern for the last 20 years suggests that the Republican candidate needs to win among men by at least 8-12 points to make up for the party's usual gender gap with women. The so-called gender gap is not one-sided. McCain wins men by four points but loses women by 10 points. This is a problem.

   In fact, the problem is so severe that McCain is losing women by 12-14 points among every age cohort except for women 65+, where he is running even with Obama.

   McCain will not win Independents on his reputation alone. Obama is winning among Independents by about 8 points. Yes, McCain is favorably viewed by Independents but that is not translating into actual votes at this point in time.

   Obama is cutting into historical GOP success with white voters. At this point, McCain is only winning the white vote by two points. Compare that to 2004 when Bush beat Kerry among white voters by 17 points (58% to 41%).

   McCain has not yet secured the GOP base. McCain is winning among evangelicals by 25 points, getting 56% of that vote. However, this is 22 points below what Bush got against Kerry in 2004 (78%). In fact, Bush captured 80% of the evangelical vote in 2000 against Gore. Certainly, a lot will change between now and November, but If this level of evangelical support continues in the summer and fall it will make a McCain victory virtually unattainable.

Jonathan Martin at Politico.com, has covered very interesting stories about John McCain that's gone under the radar, like the fact that Ron Paul supporters have been overwhelming Republican party state conventions.

The link to the story is here: http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanma rtin/0608/Warning_signs_for_McCain.html



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by slinkerwink on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:08:37 PM EST

Give Obama 5 months (2.00 / 1)

if running against only McCain and he will be OK.


by parahammer on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:09:48 PM EST

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We either discount Republican polls, or we look at them. We either discount polls this early, or we take them as the standard for what will happen on election day six days from now.

Polls right now are worth nothing more than "oh, that's interesting".


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by VAAlex on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:10:17 PM EST

Re: Good News For Clinton Supporters:: Obama Is Co (2.00 / 1)

Six months, obviously. If only it was six days ...


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:10:43 PM EST
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I don't think Republican pollsters (2.00 / 1)

would fudge their own polls to present 'bad news' for McCain.


by slinkerwink on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:13:01 PM EST
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It's a little more than that (2.00 / 1)

Polls tell you where you should be focussing your energies.

If slinkerwink was saying that it's a done deal, we got this, k thanx bye, then yeah, it's silly to base that on a poll.

But what isn't silly is to look at this and take it into account with other polls for an overall image of how the electorate looks, see what's working and what isn't.

Obama is doing well because his people are really really good at nailing down historical trends and working states and districts in the method that brings them the most level of success.  In this respect, they've always blown Mark Penn's spendy polling firm out of the water.

So while nobody should look at these numbers and simply relax, it is a good indication that, possibly, some of our fears were unfounded.

Obama's people will do what we've always done: assume that he's 10 points behind and campaign like hell.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:22:03 PM EST
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Fair enough.

No poll should be taken as the gospel, this far out, though I think looking for intrapoll movement is reasonable.  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:28:49 PM EST
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Obama making CT competitive for the GOP (none / 0)

Connecticut is a fairly reliable Democratic state.  Gore won it by 17%.  Kerry won it by 11%.  Clinton won it by 18%.  

Nominating Obama will put it in play for the Republicans.  

Per Rasmussen:

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in Connecticut finds Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote while John McCain earns 44%. Given that choice, 4% would opt for "some other candidate" while 5% are not sure.
In early March, Obama led McCain by twelve percentage points. However, that poll was conducted before Obama's controversial former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, became part of the campaign dialogue. Currently, Obama is viewed favorably by 57% of Connecticut voters. That rating is down ten percentage points since March.
 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/connecticut/election_2 008_connecticut_presidential_election
Ominously, Obama leads just 67% to 21% among Democrats while 12% of Democrats say they would vote for a third-candidate or are currently undecided.


by katmandu1 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:15:02 PM EST

Re: Obama making CT competitive for the GOP (none / 0)

Well, once you Clinton supporters get in line, he'll be kicking his ass.  Those numbers of Dem support are only going to rise over time as Obama consolidates the party.  The fact that he's winning EVEN WITH low support from his own party isn't a bad sign for Obama at all.


by Lawyerish on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:19:43 PM EST
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Didn't Obama WIN Connecticut? (2.00 / 1)

I thought that if you won the primary, that means you automatically win it in the general?

Just kidding.

Honestly I think that the downturn of support since March is less about Wright than it is about Clinton driving a wedge between Obama and her supporters.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:25:14 PM EST
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Re: Obama making CT competitive for the GOP (none / 0)

Is 6 points not "in play?"  Cuz that's all Clinton is up according to the same poll.

By the way, do you remember who won Connecticut in the primary?


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:26:02 PM EST
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Re: Obama making CT competitive for the GOP (none / 0)

Obama also puts NC and VA in play according to two new polls so I'm not sure that you can make any negative conclusions regarding his candidacy. It appears he will add a few states that Democrats typically do not do well in.


by commoncents on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:39:50 PM EST
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Re: Good News For Clinton Supporters:: Obama Is Co (none / 0)

Tomorrow night's Obama speech at the Xcel Center will change all the dynamics..


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by nogo postal on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:31:20 PM EST

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I saw that video of Obama playing basketball.  He appears to be extremely competitive with whites.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:14:19 PM EST


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