MyDD :: FISA and Hillary

by JustJennifer on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:40:39 PM EST

I just want someone to speak up about this. I don't care who does it.

Look, (2.00 / 4)

no matter WHAT Hillary would say right now would be the right thing for her to say. If she voiced her opinion against the bill, she'd be accused of trying to out-do Obama, claiming the limelight once again.

If the stated she's for it (which I do NOT think she would do), well, you can only imagine the outrage that would follow then.

I think it is perfectly fine for her, at this time, to take some time off after the grueling primary race she's been through, and give things some thought before responding to ANYTHING right now.

Obama is the leader right now. Let HIM be the first one to take a position, and wait to see what Hillary says after that.

Fair? I think so. Your diary, not so much.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:49:04 PM EST

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

Can anyone here ever let go of Hillary for just one moment, let alone a few days or a well-deserved month off.

I'm sure that even during that during her time off she will NOT abandon her responsibilities as a Senator. Why keep hammering at her? Have you no heart? Obama won. It's up to him now to pick up where she left off. No more excuses please.

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:01:14 PM EST

A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

Wow! Sorry we take our "Right to Privacy" so seriously. Do we not elect Senators to be the voice of the people? What's so wrong with calling or writing them to tell them where you stand? They get paid to listen to their constituencies and act with their best interests in mind.

by hootie4170 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:16:06 PM EST
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Re: FISA and Hillary (2.00 / 3)

Do we still give them the space to be human beings while we're at it?

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:29:34 PM EST
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A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

Not when it comes to one of our most sacred Rights as United States Citizens...If I can stay up for three straight nights with my sick son and still punch 16 hours at work to pay my bills, I think Senators can "suck it up" for a few days in order to protect my Rights.

by hootie4170 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:34:31 PM EST
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Re: FISA and Hillary (2.00 / 4)

Then please ask Mr. Obama to come up with a quick answer to FISA, okay? 24 hours won't do.

If you're a true leader, you make decisions on the spot. Hold him to it.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:45:25 PM EST
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A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

First I said Senators, quit making this all about HRC. Second, I'm glad you can be so casual about our Bill of Rights...I sure can't

Toodles

by hootie4170 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:55:02 PM EST
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It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

Weak.

by Gabriele Droz on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:29:09 AM EST
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Re: FISA and Hillary (none / 0)

The lone word "weak" now deserves a troll rating. And I suppose that's credible? What's next? The word "no" or "perhaps"?

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:19:53 AM EST
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by swissffun on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:39:03 AM EST
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well this diary IS ALL about hillary - when if any single senator is should be all about Obama who has the muscle at the moment to get the 40 Nays in the senate to stop this.

Senate takes a long beak after next week (none / 0)

Right now she's getting paid to do a job. As is Obama.

Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012

by benmasel on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 12:57:51 AM EST
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Re: Senate takes a long beak after next week (2.00 / 1)

What do you mean by that? I mean Obama hasn't been participating much in the Senate ever since he started running for President, some three months after he won the Senate seat, stating that he would NOT run for president since he was too in-experienced. His excuse for not holding a single hearing on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee of which he was appointed chair of, was that he was too busy running his presidential campaign. Why, o why, is he excused from these things, while Hillary, who showed up for all the important votes while running for office, is being scolded and held to a far more vigorous standard than Obama ever has been held to? Tell me, oh please tell me? Where has Obama led in any of the Senate's most urgent issues since he became a Senator? List me one, just ONE? If you can't, then just shut up about Hillary. She's done far more than he ever has, even while she was running. Where's our new leader on FISA? It's Hillary's fault because she doesn't chart the way for him? That's the latest storyline. Where is he when decisions need to be made in less than 24 hours (and this one seems to be an urgent one). Come on.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:33:34 AM EST
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I'm criticizing both, as Senators. (none / 0)

This isn't about the Primary.

Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012

by benmasel on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 07:06:24 AM EST
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It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

I think I answered that question already.

No matter what she would say, it would be used against her. Why can't you all just let go of her for one single second, and enjoy/celebrate your victory, instead of continuing to haunt her.

I do not understand your lack of compassion for her after she lost. Why is she still on you list of most important people to villify AFTER she dropped out and conceded, supporting Obama? Why do you all insist on continuing and perpetuating a "hunt" for her by all means, and by all methods?

If this is the kind of unity you long for, please go ahead and have it. But I personally cannot participate. If Obama had lost, my compassion meter for him would be far higher than yours is for Hillary.

I would not have these expectations of him that you now project upon her.

Just let go of her, please. At least for a few days or weeks.

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:35:51 PM EST
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A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

I said Senators, I did not single her out....You keep trying to make this all about her, it's not. It IS about our Privacy, maybe it's not that important to you...

by hootie4170 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:56:50 PM EST
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If Barack says nothing (none / 0)

while Hillary comes out and says something it will be said by many that she is undermining him.

She can't say anyting until he does.

He's the nominee, he's the leader. This is now his job and frankly he has the clout and not her.

This is an insidious diary

by debcoop on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:01:51 AM EST
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The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

"Why keep hammering at her?"

Well, I'm a New Yorker and the last time I checked, she WAS still my Senator.

by nrafter530 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:22:30 PM EST
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It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

And she still is. She'd never let you down. She won her re-election with a 67% approval rating. There's most likely a good reason for it.

You may be in the minority here. Anyway, what is the problem with allowing her to have some time off after a grueling 16 month primary campaign - to catch her breath and to reflect on those 16 months before making further decisions.

Are you not human? Would you not want the same thing for yourself?

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:39:36 PM EST
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She can make a policy decision (none / 0)

while sitting on the beach in the Bahamas. Believe me, I can't take a damn vacation without my co-workers sending e-mails to my blackberry asking where they can find a file.

A simple "I oppose this because A,B,C" will do nicely.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:58:40 PM EST
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Re: She can make a policy decision (2.00 / 1)

That was exactly my point. And sometimes it's good to take some time to evaluate things out there.

Hasty decisions create hasty results. Agree?

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:17:43 AM EST
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by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:27:12 PM EST

I've already written my Congresswoman. My Senators are next.

Why not write Hillary too?

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

Now there's a way to do it. I agree with you. Write to her, call her office and let your opinion be known.

At the same time, respect her wish to take time to re-group and think about what needs to be done here.

She's always been a good player, and the outcome may be something Obama supporters are hoping for.

To once again, interpret her motives ahead of time, leaves no openings other than keeping her labelled as something unproven and unwarranted.

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:43:18 PM EST
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A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

What's so wrong with calling or writing them to tell them where you stand?

I said the same thing and you chastised me for it...

by hootie4170 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:58:29 PM EST
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by alyssa chaos on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 11:47:50 PM EST

im sure she'll show up if its a close vote.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

Not so much. If you've followed her campaign at all, she's opposed much of what you propose she went for.

Lack of information and research on her. Plenty of acceptance of the picture the Republicans spent millions of dollars for 16 years to villify her.

Thanks for helping them out. Too bad you can't find the time to do some research not tainted by, you know, the media that sold us the Iraq war, the same ones that tell us that Hillary is the evil Satan from hell.

I feel sorry for you for your ignorance. You are buying into the same merchandise presented to us by the corporations and their media - killing the one candidate who truly has the guts to stand up against them.

Why the hell do you all think they are so much against here? And where the hell is Obama on FISA?

All I hear now is that HILLARY should be the one charging the course, while Obama needs 24 or more hours to decide on this.

Give me a break, please. Let him lead the way, and perhaps, NOW? If not NOW, when?

How many hours does he need to make a decision?

24?

by Gabriele Droz on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:26:37 AM EST
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