Obama and McCain to Media: STFU.

Cross posted at Kickin it With CG

After my beating the drum of the media FAIL for months now - it looks like Barack Obama and John McCain have caught on.

Last week ABC News offered to exclusively air the first of the proposed town hall forums that the candidates agreed, in principle, to have during the general-election campaign.

Ultimately rejecting this offer, both campaigns insisted that any citizen-based town hall event had to be open to all television outlets, be available on the Internet, and not be sponsored or organized by a single news organization.  Further the campaigns stressed that the town hall meeting would not be moderated by the press.  Also interestingly, the forum being proposed for the general election is a Lincoln/Douglas-style event, which would also allow the candidates to address voters unfiltered and keep journalists on the sidelines, where they belong.

As Eric Boehlert over at Media Matters writes,

By smartly swatting down ABC's proposal, the message seemed clear: The campaigns want to get the media off the stage. Journalists are not the collective third candidate in this election, although at times it's obvious they consider themselves to be just as important as political leaders. That runaway narcissism has severely damaged the craft, and the campaigns have wisely decided to give the press a time-out.

Oh snap.

I guess Obama and McCain learned the lessons of press failure 101 in baring witness to the massacring of Hillary Clinton. Smart move.



Display:


media - you need to STFU. (2.00 / 14)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:38:15 AM EST

Good catch, CG. (2.00 / 4)

The media does, indeed, need to STFU and GTFO. Nice that Republicans and Democrats can agree on something.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:53:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh (2.00 / 1)

and I would be glad if this knocked my Anti-Maverick piece of the rec list, my piece was a cut and paste quick hit...


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:05:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 8)

It's a foolish move. America needs to know about flag pins.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:39:41 AM EST

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 6)

FLAG PINS ARE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE!


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:41:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 5)

Obama should show up to the first town hall in this shirt:


by DPW on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:44:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 3)

Not enough flags. He needs flag pants, flag gloves, flag hankerchiefs, the whole nine yards.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:01:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 4)

Don't forget the bowtie.

And, a nice hat.

Or, just a headband might work. Actually, I like the headband idea a lot, the more I think about it.


by DPW on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:09:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 4)

No, a flag eye patch!


Barack Obama is my President
by Jeter on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:13:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 1)

don't forget the cape


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:24:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 2)

You're right. I put my Tibetan flag pin on today properly beneath my American flag pin. This things do matter.


Barack Obama is my President
by Jeter on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:09:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, let's hope they keep that up.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:40:59 AM EST

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (1.00 / 2)

They won't hold the town hall in Obama's Mosque, to my knowledge.


by xdem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:44:31 AM EST

So tempted.. (none / 0)

to offer up the infamous "Is this snark" responce here...


by Falsehood on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:46:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Is This Snark? (none / 0)

Serious question.

;-)


by ProgressiveDL on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:33:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is This Snark? (none / 0)

It is very obviously snark, to my knowledge.


by xdem on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:05:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nope (none / 0)

But that was snark.

Or a serious question.

You decide.

/snark

/serious question


by Falsehood on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 12:12:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (none / 0)

Barack Obama is so cool he's a scary scary Moooslam and a scary scary Christian AT THE SAME TIME!


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:45:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 1)

As much as I disagree with McCain, I'm glad it's him Obama is running against because of items like these.


by Falsehood on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:44:34 AM EST

Absolutely (2.00 / 4)

I respect McCain, though I think he is out of his league and wrong on most everything.

At the very least, there will be a better level discourse at some level.  I may have to buy McCain a beer after he loses.

Good point CG!


Donate!
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:49:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Absolutely (2.00 / 2)

He would veto it... he would veto every beer.

EVERY SINGLE BEER.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 1)

I thought that this perfectly captured the media this primary season - the Lincoln-Douglas debates as moderated by ABC:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_ wings/2008/04/the-lincoln-dou.html

I am a little surprised that McCain would not want moderators, though, since he's been treated favorably even compared to Obama.


by rfahey22 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:47:18 AM EST

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (none / 0)

hoot!

that made my day


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:30:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This will never happen (1.00 / 0)

First of all, it's awesome that it will be on ABC! You know how few debtates were visible to my friends who don't subscribe to cable? These days quite a few friends stopped subscribing to cable.

All of those requirements strike me as a dodge by one campaign which doesn't want to do the townhalls, but doesn't want people to know. And if that campaign doesn't want Charlie Gibson or George S. as moderators, you can guess which of the two candidates throwing up all these roadblocks.

Methinks you fell for the bait cgal.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:52:25 AM EST

catfish. (none / 0)

i think you are misunderstanding this.  abc will NOT be holding the debate because BOTH campaign said no.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:57:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not misunderstanding (1.00 / 0)

If you read the Examiner article the sources are not very clear.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:17:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This will never happen (1.00 / 1)

Do you agree with anything remotely positive for Obama?


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:02:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sure. (1.00 / 0)

He has a good register in his speaking voice. He ran for president, and that is not easy. And he is black, we need more non-white people in prominent positions in business, government, public life.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:17:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This will never happen (2.00 / 1)

Catfish has been very subtle about his/her trollish tendencies recently, but insistent on pushing the envelope.  I would submit that at some point as this General Election campaign progresses (perhaps we have crossed that threshold already), his/her persistent anti-Obama edge shades into pro-McCain bullshit.  


by oliver cromwell on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:18:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So now we get no debtates (2.00 / 1)

or debates only on cable. Great.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:53:32 AM EST

Re: So now we get no debtates (2.00 / 3)

Did you even read the diary?

[B]oth campaigns insisted that any citizen-based town hall event had to be open to all television outlets, be available on the Internet, and not be sponsored or organized by a single news organization.  Further the campaigns stressed that the town hall meeting would not be moderated by the press.
I'm sure that no network wants to be the one that ISN'T showing the debate when everyone else can and follow it up with an hour of lucrative pontificating upon who "won".


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:01:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That article was very vague (1.00 / 0)

It was tough enough to get regular networks to allot prime-time spots to debates, which do not get high ratings.

The sources in that article were not specific.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:18:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So now we get no debtates (2.00 / 3)

Sometimes, being a knee-jerk contrarian doesn't serve you well.


"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible
by BobzCat on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:33:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So now we get no debtates (none / 0)

This isn't about debates, but the proposal to offer town hall meetings over the course of the summer to provide opportunities for McCain to find some way to get public attention that his floundering campaign can't generate on its own.  They were never meant to suplant more traditional debates to be held later in the campaign.  You probably know that but prefer to stir up shit anyway.


by oliver cromwell on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:22:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Friends who supported Obama (1.00 / 0)

did not get to see the debates. It is part of Democracy.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:11:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Stuff like this is the reason (2.00 / 3)

you are awesome and one of the best here, the press needs people telling them that they are truly full of fail and you are excellent at it.

I do disagree on one thing, I think that some people in the press (Bill Moyers) would be a great moderator, but other than that one example I can't really think of anyone who I'd want moderating an event like this.

PS thanks for the linky, I'll return the favor once finals are over and I have the time to think of a clever title (All links I have in my blogroll must be somewhat clever as a rule).


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:00:27 AM EST

Re: Stuff like this is the reason (none / 0)

I don't think McCain would want Moyers anywhere near him.


New Mexico politics from the local perspective.
by fbihop on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:02:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That is probably true (2.00 / 1)

but he is one of the few journalists who does a good job with coverage and can be unbaised.  (there first category is larger with folks like Al Giordano being in there (have you seen his narconews.com sit it is wonderful)).


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:04:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (1.75 / 4)

Good work.

As usual.

Hope to see you on the Rec. List.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:03:37 AM EST

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 2)

I hit recommend, and then I hit unrecommend because I just don't see how that last sentence is necessary.  

But then I read it again and it kicked so much ass I just had to hit recommend again.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:21:43 AM EST

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 2)

I hit recommend because of the last sentence.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:16:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What a surprise! (none / 0)

The words 'knee' and 'jerk' come to mind, but not in their expected order.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:20:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ouch... (2.00 / 2)

I have no idea what you mean, but it seems to be mean.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:18:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ouch... (2.00 / 1)

More humorous than mean. No real ouches intended


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:23:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (2.00 / 1)

Obama bore direct witness to the failure of television journalism when he was subjected to the pathetic performances of Charles Gibson and George Stephanopolous in Philadelphia.

The most important lesson he learned is that the press is more interested in its own narratives than in what really matters to Americans.

By seizing control of the format, the candidates are trying to take away the media's power to define and direct the political debate of this campaign. Each campaign clearly sees advantages in this.

Tossing the journalist moderation and press sponsorship of debates is a fine idea long overdue. Voters should be given relatively unfiltered opportunties to see candidates discuss the issues together without the obvious influence and interference of the media.

It's a good reflection of Obama's change message and his determination to change the nature of the discourse in this political campaign and eventually in Washington as well.


"The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible
by BobzCat on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:52:46 AM EST

More likely (none / 0)

Obama doesn't want to bother with media moderation after the ABC sham of a debate that focused on nothing but trivial scandal and patriotism nonsense for the first hour, with Hillary piling on with the Ayers BS.


by libertyleft on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:56:00 AM EST

more and more.... (none / 0)

your comments are seemingly trollish.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:12:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: more and more.... (none / 0)

How so?


by libertyleft on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:14:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: more and more.... (2.00 / 1)

anything that doesn't bow at the alter of Hillary is seen as an attack, you have been warned sexist.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:55:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

how is your comment in any productive? (none / 0)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:37:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: how is your comment in any productive? (none / 0)

How was your initial comment productive?

Don't start a fight and then complain about the fighting. There was nothing trollish about his comment- you simply disagreed with it, which is fine. It is your right.

How about next time, instead of accusing him of trolling, you engage on the issue?


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:43:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

um no. (none / 0)

when someone uses ANY opportunity to bash a democrat (whomever it may be) especially during a tenuous time, especially when it is not related to the topic at all (and a couple have done this here in this thread) then they are being trollish.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:47:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: um no. (none / 0)

Ahh, so when Hillary bashed Obama with an accusation of him being buddies with a terrorist...she was being trollish?


by libertyleft on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:03:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: more and more.... (none / 0)

do you really have to ask?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:36:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Careful, he'll turn you in to the admins for (none / 0)

calling him a troll instead of contacting the admins to tell them he's acting like a troll.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:52:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Um - voters care about patriotism. (1.00 / 0)

And it was a voter who asked about the flag pin.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:19:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um - voters care about patriotism. (2.00 / 1)

Cherry picked question, they weren't selected at random.

 Are you defending the ABC debate?

 Hey Canada, this guys posts looking like trolls to you lately or is that reserved for people who don't like Hillary?


by libertyleft on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:22:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um - voters care about patriotism. (none / 0)

I couldn't agree more It's time to support our Nominee. Just as Senator Clinton has. Calling the commenter a troll reveals so much.


by Politicalslave on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:15:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Voters in PA cared about this (1.00 / 0)

that gave Obama an OPPORTUNITY to lay down doubts.

That was the most friggin softball question ever, and that he was so alarmingly unprepared for it and questions about Wright -- which he should have known would come up as this was the first debate since Wright came to the attention to the public -- that if gets testy at "unfair" voters can only wonder how testy will he get when we get when he has to put up with the "unfair" demands of the job.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:52:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Voters in PA cared about this (none / 0)

Here's an opportunity for you to "lay down doubts" (sic):

Are you from the McCain-loving or McCain-tolerating wing of the GOP?


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:50:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um - voters care about patriotism. (none / 0)

no - equally opportunity trollishness.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:38:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Um - voters care about patriotism. (none / 0)

Jesus Christ Catfish...After reading your bullshit posts I throw up a little bit more in my mouth each time.

Please tell me that you aren't equating flagpins and patriotism just like the inane right would have the thoughtless do.  You certainly seem to be.  Rather than calling it for the bullshit issue that it is you are suggesting that it wasn't the media's fault, some "average person" really cared about patriotism and asked the question.  That, of course, implies that flagpins have anything to do with patriotism.  Do we really need this much remedial progressive education?  


by oliver cromwell on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:30:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If that voter and others (1.00 / 0)

wanted to know about flagpins and that's what patriotism meant to them, that gave Obama an opportunity to allay her doubts about his patriotism.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:53:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that voter and others (none / 0)

and if that voter was a repub trying to get in a BS question and ABC bought into it I guess thats okay too.

The fact that some moron thought it mattered doesn't mean we should by into it. You just "agree" because it was a hit on Obama. Get over yourself.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:45:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If that voter and others (none / 0)

What if the voter had wanted to know if it's true that Obama has verses from the Qu'ran tattooed on his asscheeks?  Should he have allayed her concerns by mooning her?

Give me a break.  Questioning or implicitly questioning the patriotism of the Democratic nominee to be President of the United States of America is a shameful tactic.  Networks love it because they can gin up controversy where none exists.  Rev. Wright was fair game and deserved a question or two, but to spend a full hour talking about flag pins and pastors and snippy back-and-forths between the campaigns was a waste of everybody's time.  Good for Obama and McCain to cut the networks out of their exclusive role as massagers of discourse.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:47:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ayers bombed his own country (1.00 / 0)

Did Hillary "pile on" that Obama knew Ayers?


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:20:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ayers bombed his own country (none / 0)

She brought it up, and was rightfully given a rhetorical smackdown for it when Obama pointed out her husband's pardons.


by libertyleft on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:24:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

George S. brought it up, not Hillary (1.00 / 1)

Here is the YouTube. And I am glad somebody brought it up. His relationship with Ayers is bothersome.

"She brought it up, and was rightfully given a rhetorical smackdown for it" - that is hostile language, and factually inaccurate.


by catfish2 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:47:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

come on now... (none / 0)

catfish.  this diary is not about that and in fact kind of proves the point of the media fail.  please stop.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George S. brought it up, not Hillary (none / 0)

Why are you bothered by the relationship with Ayers?

Yes the man was a member of the Weathermen. You know what else? He is a respected college professor and true progressive.

I would be PROUD to know him.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:47:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George S. brought it up, not Hillary (2.00 / 1)

I don't think I would be proud to know someone who wanted to bomb people.

sorry.  


by colebiancardi on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:46:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My favorite catfish (none / 0)

When their trolling is repeatedly ridiculed and scorned, some people have the self-respect to give it up. Then there are those that press on, clueless yet shameless.

Now, I'll say this - not all catfish are bad. If cooked right, they can be downright palatable! Here's my favorite recipe for blackened catfish. It does come with the admonition: Be sure to cook in a ventilated area because it does produce some smoke. Ah well - a little too late for that.

4 (6-ounce) catfish fillets
1/3 cup butter, melted
2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice
1 tablespoon dried thyme
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon cracked black pepper
1 teaspoon paprika
1 teaspoon garlic powder
1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper flakes
1/3 cup dry white wine

  1. Heat a large cast-iron skillet over medium-high heat for 10 minutes, or until hot.
   2. While pan heats, rinse fillets and pat dry. Mix melted butter and lemon juice in a small bowl. In another small bowl, combine thyme, salt, pepper, paprika, garlic powder and red pepper flakes; mix well.
   3. Brush fillets on both sides with butter mixture and sprinkle evenly with seasoning mix. Place fillets, skin side up in pan cook on both sides until fish flakes easily with a fork, about 6 minutes total.
   4. Remove catfish from skillet and hold warm. Pour wine and any remaining butter mixture into pan. Bring to a boil and spoon over catfish. Serve immediately.

Cooked on both sides? Check.
Flakes easily? I'll say.

Get your forks, folks. He may not know it, but he's done.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:50:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: George S. brought it up, not Hillary (none / 0)

Oh yeah, my memory is hazy.  It was Sean Hannity that gave the question to George S.  Good company you got there.


by libertyleft on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:29:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's pretty simple... (2.00 / 2)

So here is the deal.

Obama is afraid of the media.

And rightly so.

The media is owned by the right wing corporatist thugs, and they are out to get him.

So he will dodge all "network debates" and probably try to resist any other debates because he is a bad debater and McCain has years and years of practice in the Senate.

On the other hand, he can carry the crowd in scripted "Obama supporter only" events... So expect a lot of them...

It will be like 2004, only in reverse...

It is good strategy, and it may win....


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 03:24:00 AM EST

Re: It's pretty simple... (none / 0)

Obama's afraid of the media?  Extra credit question, which candidate started their campaign by freezing out Fox News?


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:10:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's pretty simple... (none / 0)

Answer.... I hope you are right and he is way more clever than I give him credit for...


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:41:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's pretty simple... (none / 0)


These are chilly days on Capitol Hill ... and on the campaign trail for Fox News journalists -- at least when they're anywhere near Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).Sources tell The Sleuth that the Obama camp has "frozen out" Fox News reporters and producers in the wake of the network's major screw-up in running with the erroneous Obama-the-jihadist story reported by Insight magazine.

"I'm still in the freezer," one Fox journalist said, noting that the people at Fox "suffering the most did nothing wrong." (It was "Fox and Friends" host Steve Doocy who aired the Insight magazine piece, which reported that operatives connected to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) found out that Obama, as a child, was educated at a Muslim madrassah in Indonesia.)

Another Fox journalist called the network's airing of the story "unfortunate" for the network's journalists who have to cover Obama and who are being adversely affected despite not being involved in the incident.

Since the madrassah incident, Obama has given interviews to ABC, CNN, CBS and NBC -- pretty much every other network except Fox. Sources close to Obama acknowledged that they're not thrilled to play ball with Fox journalists, but they stopped short of saying they are freezing the network out.

Mary Ann Akers - Obama's Grudge Factor Washington Post 30 Jan 07

Well?  That was the way it was 'till 2008.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:56:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's pretty simple... (none / 0)

Seems like a freeze out to me.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:09:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Freezing Out (2.00 / 1)

He's been very good at freezing out media. What I want to see is him get up in front of people and answer their questions. Now would be a good time to start.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:44:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Freezing Out (none / 0)


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 05:59:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Shaun (none / 0)

He should debate McCain early and often.


by MediaFreeze on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 06:07:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Shaun (none / 0)

Why?


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:52:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And here's why not. (none / 0)

Any debates would give McCain the kind of air time that he's hard-pressed to buy right now. Obama can pay for his own airtime, why cede this advantage?

When it makes the most strategic sense, when the time is right, when the straight-talk express stalls over the railway lines - the Obama freight train will ram it into oblivion.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:59:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's pretty simple... (none / 0)

He is not that bad of a debater.  He survived about twenty of them and was never bumped off his track to victory.  

McCain has experience all right...

Do you really and honestly think that Obama fears to go on stage side by side with McCain?  That is laughable.  The contrast between them could hardly bemore stark.  Appearance, rhetoric, policies...each and every factor favors Obama as the breath of fresh air that the country so desperately needs.


by oliver cromwell on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:36:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (none / 0)

CG we know you love Hilliary and we know you feel
the media was biased but support ou nominee. Most Canadians love Obama as does the world. Does Obama have your Support?
by Politicalslave on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:33:34 AM EST

you do know that i am canadian right? (none / 0)


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 10:40:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama and McCain to Media: STFU. (none / 0)

Obama doesn't need to give McCain too much air time.  Make the bastage pay for his airtime!


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 09:42:11 AM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.