Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama

Al Gore Endorses Barack Obama

I haven't been in a very pleased mood lately, in spite of the fact that the end of the 43-term white male monopoly of the American presidency may be just four months away.  But Al Gore's endorsement of Barack Obama does please me.  It helps neutralize some the venom and bile of Hillary supporters who believed that Hillary should win regardless of how many delegates her opponent won.

Women supporters of Hillary were and are right that women have systematically been condescended to, demeaned, subjugated, exploited and objectified in the United  States.  But, that's not Barack Obama's fault and there's no evidence that he won't do everything in his power to turn that around.  He seems to treat his wife with a lot of respect, particularly compared to John McCain, who called his wife a "c*nt" (sorry) in public, in front of reporters.

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Obama chooses Patti Solis Doyle
to lead V.P.'s campaign team.

I'm pleased that Barack Obama has chosen Patti Solis Doyle for a high-level position in his administration.  I wrote last year that Clinton deserved a lot of credit for appointing Solis Doyle, a bright Mexican-American political manager, as her campaign manager, so  I and many other people were disappointed when Clinton blamed Solis Doyle for Clinton Iowa loss and threw Solis Doyle overboard.  As I said on March 31 of 2007,
I've heard some anti-immigrant sentiment recently but I'm not feeling it.  I'm proud that Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, is Mexican-American, second-generation.  Diversity works for the Democratic Party.  Culture Kitchen
Then Clinton fired her.  Go figure!

Now, some Clinton surrogates are saying that the choice of Solis Doyle to lead the V.P.'s campaign, with Solis Doyle having been fired by and estranged from Clinton, means that Hillary will not be Obama's V.P. choice:


Solis Doyle -- who after her firing midway through the primaries is no longer on speaking terms with much of the Clinton inner circle, including the senator herself -- has been tapped to serve as chief of staff to the future vice presidential running mate. Not exactly a signal that Obama is considering Hillary Clinton for the job.  

At least that's how Clinton loyalists see it. "It's a slap in the face," Susie Tompkins Buell, a prominent Clinton backer, said in an interview. "Why would they put somebody that was so clearly ineffective in such a position? It's a message. We get it." She said it was a "calculated decision" by the Obama team to "send a message that she [Clinton] is not being considered for the ticket."  WaPost

Well, the choice at least means that if Clinton wants to be V.P., she'll have to mend her bridges with Solis Doyle and work with her hand in glove, even after firing her.  It seems like Obama may have someone else in mind for V.P., perhaps anyone else.

In my opinion, the biggest idiot and millstone in the Clinton campaign was Mark Penn, who seems to have been the one pressing Clinton to go negative in a color-arousing way.  That single decision, made over and over again, is the single most important reason why Hillary lost the nomination.  Had she consistently won even 20-30% of the Black vote, she'd have won the popular vote, the earned delegates and the nomination.  But, the color-arousing campaigning made Hillary, her husband and her whole campaign personas non gratas among Blacks nationwide.

In fact, the more they said about Blacks, the more Blacks hated them.  They'd have been better off to say nothing about Blacks at all, and trying to win the election on some other basis that would win white votes while not whacking a beehive of Black sentiment.  But, Mark Penn seemed to think that whites ONLY motive for voting for Clinton would be to vote AGAINST her Black opponent.  Mark Penn's failure of self-confidence and scruples is what lost Clinton the nomination.  

According to the Washington Post,

Nearly a quarter of those who said they favored Clinton over Obama for the nomination currently prefer McCain for the general election, virtually unchanged from polls taken before Clinton suspended her campaign.  WaPost
The greatest advantage of the Gore nomination will be to isolate the pro-Hillary Obama haters within the Democratic Party, compelling them to come to their senses and support the Democratic nominee.   According to polls, choosing Hillary Clinton as V.P. wouldn't help very much:
[I]t is unclear from the poll whether Clinton would help or hurt Obama's chances. About two in 10 said her placement on the ticket would make them more apt to support the Democrats, but about the same proportion said it would push them toward the GOP. Most said it would not make much of a difference either way.WaPost

Ironically, if America in November votes for 100 years of additional war, first-strike war with Iran, and another 50% drop in the value of American currency overseas (indicating a continnued worldwide failure of confidence in the American economy), it'll be white people's fault, particularly white Democrats.  Bush is white people's fault and a McCain presidency, and every bad thing that happened therein, would be white people's fault as a group.

Real Democrats are going to vote for the Democratic nominee.  But the Washington Post is saying that some Hillary supporters (and color-aroused white Democrats) might vote for McCain and give the Republicans another four years to destroy this country.

Well, we Blacks are used to being in the minority and having to put up with the presidents that white America elects, like Richard (impeached) Nixon; Ronald (Iran-Contra) Reagan; and George W. (Katrina) Bush.  We'll do what we can, but in the end it's up to white people to determine whether this country gets flushed down the toilet . . . again.



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Re: Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 2)

I don't see it as a hindrance to a Clinton VP pick.  None of these staff positions are set in stone; if Obama wants Clinton as the VP and she doesn't want to work with Doyle, then Doyle can be re-assigned.  However, Doyle can be productive in that position for the time being.  This whole "controversy" is the product of people's overactive imaginations and too much navel-gazing.


by rfahey22 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:20:34 PM EST

Careful (none / 0)

You're  sounding way to reasonable.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:23:41 PM EST
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Re: Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (none / 0)

I agree.  As if Hillary would balk at the VP position just because of Doyle.  

Likewise, as if Obama would pick Doyle to rough up the Clinton camp when simultaneously trying to get their vote.

We read more into these issues than the candidates do.


by mjc888 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:40:23 PM EST
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Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 3)

Its not really advisable to speak in generalizations.

Or to speak for an entire race.

Lets try and elevate the discussion from the kindergarten level.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:24:14 PM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Wow.  I'm just thoroughly offended.  Forget party unity.  Seems we need to work on racial unity.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:24:39 PM EST

Unity (none / 0)

Yes, we absolutely do.


by ProgressiveDL on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:57:57 PM EST
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Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 1)

The insanity that anything Obama does has to been seen and vetted through the fringe element of Hillary Clintons supporter point of view is absurd.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:37:08 PM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Hey buddy Bill Clinton is White. Did you forget that in your race rant? PSD a great pick for Obama? Thanks for the laugh!


by bsavage on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:39:58 PM EST

Yowza is this a troll diary? (1.50 / 4)

Racial stereotypes "In fact, the more they said about Blacks, the more Blacks hated them.  They'd have been better off to say nothing about Blacks at all, and trying to win the election on some other basis that would win white votes while not whacking a beehive of Black sentiment" and inaccuracy (Solis Doyle was demoted after February and not after Iowa) and the needless rubbing of raw wounds.

Picking Solis Doyle is fine. Assigning her to be chief-of-staff to a veep who has not yet been picked was unnecessary and rude, and even the Obama-friendly media has noticed.


by catfish2 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 09:59:50 PM EST

Ignore this diarist. (2.00 / 4)

He rarely writes anything that doesn't paint the Clintons as racists/race-baiters.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:07:22 PM EST
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Uhh, no reason for anybody to HR this comment. n/t (2.00 / 2)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:33:54 PM EST
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Hillary actually SUPPORTED THE CHOICE OF PATTI (2.00 / 8)

for this role, and I don't appreciate the way you're talking down to some of the great Clinton supporters on this site.


by slinkerwink on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:10:06 PM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 3)

It's really difficult to believe that Obama would go out of his way to upset the Clinton supporters, so I don't see this choice as harming her chance for the VP, and I don't see this choice as negative or controversial.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 10:26:32 PM EST

It a tough crowd here (1.00 / 3)

Not only is it difficult for many to admit the Clinton campaign used race as a wedge but it is also hard to admit the anger in the black community is real.

Instead we are told it was Obama that race baited and black people too stupid to see otherwise, or too racist themselves to care about the tactics used to elect the black candidate.

They can't see how insulting it is to the black community.


by Is This Snark on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:13:10 PM EST

Lots of blacks on Hillary's campaign (2.00 / 1)

do you speak for all of them? Nice stereotyping.

And Michelle Obama started the rumor that the "fairy tale" remark was about "a black man running for president."

The media, TV commentators, the Obama campaign and now Michelle Obama - a very smart woman who has to know exactly what she is doing - is perpetuating that misinterpretation in order to imply that the Clintons are trying to tamp down on the African-American dream.

This is not an exaggeration. Here are Michelle Obama's remarks, verbatim, from her speech tonight:

Sometimes we feel it's better not to try at all than to try and fail. These are complicated emotions, left in our heads and hearts from years of struggle, emotions we must face if we're going to overcome as a community if we want to lift ourselves up. We must do it in the face of those who will attempt to play on those emotions for our own purposes, to discourage us from believing what is possible...to dismiss this moment as an illusion, as a fairytale.


by catfish2 on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:31:36 PM EST
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Re: Lots of blacks on Hillary's campaign (none / 0)

The only fairy tale was that Bill Clinton was talking about ANYTHING OTHER than a black man running for president.  Yeah, he was talking about Obama war stance... please!  Everyone who heard it knew EXACTLY what he was saying and it was not pretty. But we've let bygones be bygones. You should do the same.


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:11:59 AM EST
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Re: It a tough crowd here (none / 0)

A really unifying comment---sheesh


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 11:39:19 PM EST
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Re: It a tough crowd here (none / 0)

I thought that the black community got what they wanted, but obviously what is wanted is some chip knocked off someone's shoulder.  I for one am just about sick of hearing about the feelings in the Black community.  The truth is Obama went around in Carolina, saying, don't let the
Clinton's bamboozle you, etc.  This was related to me by a black woman who saw the writing on the wall with these and other subtle and not so subtle comments done in a very racial way.  As for the Clinton's doing or saying anything racist, it was and is a very insulting lie that has been spread far and wide in the black community, but it is a lie.

Bill Clinton was supporting his wife, and defending her, but that is not O.K. He did not make any racial insults and it galls me that you would forget all the work both Hillary and Bill Clinton have done for and with the Black community and black leaders and others whom they hired and encouraged.  And the venom is unjustified and unworthy of a long record of these facts.  Bill Clinton was hurt very personally by these scurrilous charges.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:21:09 AM EST
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Obama's campaign used race as a wedge (2.00 / 1)

it benefited him, not Hillary.  It was completely to Obama's advantage to paint the Clinton's as racist.  It was absolutely no advantage for Clinton to be painted as such in a DEMOCRATIC primary.  end of story.  And yes, every time someone brings it up and I notice, I will respond similarly.  


by linc on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:15:14 AM EST
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I am always amazed (none / 0)

When I read these food-fights, that nobody seems to have noticed the way the MSM starts, feeds, and maintains this kind of rift, for ratings, fun and career advancement. They must be pretty good about hiding their role, because all I see is people pointing fingers at the campaigns, never the media.


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:21:15 AM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (2.00 / 1)

Your diary is garbage, like many of the others you've written. Your generalizations about black people feel (at least how they feel according to you) says more about you than it does about anyone else.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 12:24:19 AM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (none / 0)

I think that Obama or his campaign did this hiring as an insult to Clinton.  I find it very arrogant of Obama to hire his VPs chief of staff anyway because surely whomever would have their own staff.

As for Clinton being his VP pick, he is much too  full of himself to think he would even need her help, but he just might find that he does in the end.  So far, his fans really showed their ass in Mich by booing the governor, and I was appalled that they were so very rude.  If Obama hopes to win this election he better find a way to stop that kind of insulting behavior, as if they have contempt for Clinton.  that is the biggest reason that this party might not become so unified, it will be because of things like that.  Not too welcoming for Clinton supporters.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:27:52 AM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (1.00 / 1)

Troll.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 01:39:42 AM EST

You don't know what you are talking about (none / 0)

did it ever occur to you that that 25% of voters that went for Clinton and are now gong to vote for McCain were folks that Clinton pulled into the process?  Or does your Hillary hatin' run so deep that possibility is beyond your imagination- give it a try, it doesn't take much...


by linc on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:12:44 AM EST

Re: You don't know what you are talking about (none / 0)

From what I can tell, there are several kinds of pro-Clinton deadenders (hesitate to use that term, because it's going to become clear this is support she doesn't want).  The first are long-time Dems, mostly women over 40, who were deeply invested in this idea of her being the first female president of the United States.  

The second, I think you're right, were indies and Republicans who crossed over.  Now that Clinton won't be the party's nominee they have no reason to stay (and they're putting on an act, hoping to draw Dems into following them).

The third group are Clinton loyalists.  The fourth are, to put it frankly, Dems who are racists.  If you look at polls from December and January, btw, this group of potential defectors has always been there (ie. Dems who would support Clinton but not Obama in the general, this showed up before anyone voted).


by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 02:44:13 AM EST
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Re: You don't know what you are talking about (none / 0)

I doubt it. She certainly brought in some republican women into the process. But I saw enough clips of Democratic Party racists who say openly they won't vote for a black guy, Ed Rendell was right when he made that statement that some people in Central PA are not ready to vote for a black man. And why do some ignorant people still think Obama is a muslim? But at the same time, they hold Rev Wright against him. Do these ignorant morons even make the connection that how can Obama be involved in both a Christian and Muslim controversy at the same time>


by Pravin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:11:02 AM EST
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Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (none / 0)

Why do you feel you have to turn everything into something of a race thing?

Why is it that everytime a black person utters a word it's to do with race. You race has suffered, well so have Jews. Ask the Palestinians today. Or the Japanese under nuclear attack.

I'm sick and tired of this


by Makey on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 04:59:55 AM EST

Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (none / 0)

Don't equate Francis Holland with every black person.

But in general, black americans will bring up race more often b4ecause they ahve to deal with it more often than you. It is not an issue for you. So there is very little reason for you to bring it up as much.


by Pravin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:08:00 AM EST
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Re: Patti Solis Doyle Great Pick for Obama (none / 0)

Francis, Francis. You tried to act like you were  adiffernt person when you talked about yourself in third person. Good to see you could not refrain from outing yourself by citing your own work elsewhere. Now that is finally resolved, let's adddress this topic.

What about this lady is a great hire for OBama? By the way, when Hillary fired her, she replaced her with a black woman who improved things. I agree that she is nowhere as bad as Mark Penn. But I do not see what is so great about her that Obama would have to court controversy with an oversensitive crowd of Hillary supporters. If she is clearly the best person for the job, then I would support him. her record indicates she is a decent hire, but is she really a must hire? Does she bring enough to overcome the backlash?


by Pravin on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 07:05:37 AM EST


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