Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann

There's a long piece about Keith Olbermann in this week's New Yorker - and in it we learn what might have been at CBS:

After Rather's unhappy departure from CBS, the network's president, Leslie Moonves, said that he wanted to blow up the "Evening News"--by which he meant, he later explained, that he wanted to do away with the program's outmoded "broadcast of record" posture, and its accompanying burden of summarizing the world in twenty-two minutes each night. Moonves and Andrew Heyward, then the president of CBS News, held a secret meeting with Olbermann at his apartment, and asked how he would approach the "Evening News" job. Olbermann, who was nearing the end of his contract at MSNBC, said he thought that it was a waste for networks to spend so much money on their anchors, when they shared so much airtime with field correspondents. Olbermann said that he would, of course, be less freewheeling than he had been at "Countdown," and that he would redirect the broadcast incrementally, beginning with a three-minute block at the end of each newscast to which he would apply his personal touch. "Maybe in a year's time, after you've given me those three minutes to sort of reprogram, maybe I'll get four or five," Olbermann says now. "You don't go in for the full revolution. You do not come on and do `Naked News.' "

The meeting ended, and Heyward was not convinced that Olbermann was the right choice for an institution where even the use of music in a news report, let alone voice impersonations by the anchor, is strictly forbidden. But soon afterward Heyward was replaced as news-division president by the head of CBS Sports, Sean McManus, who agreed to a second meeting with Olbermann, at CBS News headquarters on West Fifty-seventh Street. In the end, CBS hired Katie Couric--a decision, Olbermann likes to point out, that has not worked as well as had been hoped. (Couric consistently comes in third in the network ratings.)

Obviously Couric's tenure in the evening anchor chair has not been successful, and it's likely that eventually the current model of network evening newscasts will change.

But would someone like Olbermann work on network news?



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Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 7)

His credibility is in the crapper.

Short answer : Hell No....

In my opinion.

He can continue his act on Countdown .


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by lori on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:42:48 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (1.66 / 3)

Most of the progressive community disagrees with you. He does have his detractors as do most television personalities.


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by spacemanspiff on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:04:02 AM EST
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Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (1.25 / 4)

Addendum: You mean,  most of the progressive sexist, misogynist community disagrees with you..


by gorgias on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:10:42 AM EST
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Re: CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

It may be in the craper for you, but it has never been higher for me.


by GeeMan on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:53:47 PM EST
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Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

 Thanks, Josh. We really needed to stir up the sexist debate. Haven't had nearly enough lately.


by xdem on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:44:38 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 2)

I initially read this as "the sexiest debate".

Which I can only assume would be a debate over whipped cream and guitars.


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:07:26 AM EST
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Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 2)

I hope there can be a discussion about news, anchors, and networks without a descent into "six degrees of HRC." I acknowledge the concerns HRC supporters have about MSNBC and Olbermann, but I don't think every conversation about Olbermann or his network is related to those concerns.


by Josh Orton on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:18:42 AM EST
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Josh, have you been reading the rec list? (2.00 / 1)

All the usual dead-enders now hate Olbermann as much or more than they hate(d) Obama.  They can't let go of it.


by Dumbo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:38:45 AM EST
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trld for dead ender insult. i'm geting sick of (none / 0)

Certain members tarring everything disagreeable to them as the fault of "deadendes".  Usually, its a poster who doesn't even try to play well with others, and often they have obnoxious sigs, like dumbo.  I supported hrc and I loathe keith olbermann, but I'm voting for Obama.  So i'm not a deadender, but you called me one anyway.  


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by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 07:27:22 AM EST
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Re: Josh, have you been reading the rec list? (none / 0)

What is interesting is this post from Digby:
http://haloscan.com/tb/digby/50482234395 20415336

 Apparently women are moving towards Obama, as they see it in their best interest.  Obama's problem is with white men. And as Digby adds "And the reward they get is to be told they are hallucinating when they see rank sexism in the news media. "


by KateG on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:12:29 AM EST
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You ignored a very important issue (none / 0)

Ignoring the impact of sexism in this arena is a sure way to make it NOT GO AWAY.

It is just putting your head in the sand to ignore it.  Because it affects lots of people who should vote for Obama...and making it seem inconsequential and brushing the issue off...only tells Women that they too are inconsequential.

We can't come together and win if it's ignored.

This will happen to Michelle Obama...and so understanding what has been done to Hillary for 16 years and then exploited against her in this camapaign is essential to both protecting Michelle Obama, other female political figures, women in genral and making sure we win this election.


by debcoop on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:46:25 PM EST
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I like him (2.00 / 1)

but he would have to tone it down a lot. Also... I want a REAL journalist running the news! We also need MORE world news.


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by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:47:52 PM EST

I want a REAL journalist running the news! (2.00 / 7)

Like Katy Couric? Wolf Blitzer? Charley Gibson and George Steph? Britt Hume, Chris Matthews. lol.

But in the end, you just have to face up to the fact that the only "journalists" who shilled for Hillary (and are therefor "good") worked for Murdock, Scaife, and Limbaugh.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:05:41 PM EST
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Re: I want a REAL journalist running the news! (2.00 / 2)

none of those you named are journalists - well, Katie tries, but fails

the rest are a bunch of opinion shows.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:10:31 PM EST
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Re: I want a REAL journalist running the news! (2.00 / 2)

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

faux news is not news or journalism. Did msnbc "shill" for obama?

Give me a break!

Out of that list of names, the only one I really like is George Steph. But... none of them are REAL journalist! Katie might be but she is bad at it.

How about more people like.... hmmm... Brokaw and Cronkite. WE Need JOURNALIST not fucking clowns and sports casters.


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by kevin22262 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:13:52 PM EST
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Re: I want a REAL journalist running the news! (2.00 / 1)

Out of curiosity, what's your definition of a real journalist?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:58:16 PM EST
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Re: I want a REAL journalist running the news! (none / 0)

The comment that started this " I want a REAL journalist running the news!" thread has apparently vanished. I can't even find it in hidden comments.

My definition of a real journalist is one who reports and comments on facts rather than hearsay, association, and innuendo. Real journalists also don't serve as scribes for candidate, party, or government.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:29:59 AM EST
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Re: I want a REAL journalist running the news! (2.00 / 1)

Such as...?  I'm a big fan of Christianne Amanpour.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:39:20 AM EST
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Such as...? (none / 0)

Bill Moyer. Keith Olbermann.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:45:19 AM EST
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Re: Such as...? (none / 0)

I'll split the difference with you. Bill Moyer, yes. Olbermann, no. Christine Armanapour (sorry, I know I'm screwing up her name), yes.

There is a lot more in that New Yorker article that isn't mentioned here. Like how an MSNBC honcho asked Olbermann to tone down his Hillary attacks because he was driving away a huge chunk of his audience.


by OtherLisa on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:59:32 AM EST
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Re: Such as...? (2.00 / 3)

If you don't like Olbermann that's at least one thing you and the Busheviks/McCainiacs have in common.

Frankly, I'm getting more than a little tired of the whining about Olbermann, and other bad excuses for the Clintons' loss, but if it wasn't that it would be some other McCainian topic.

As for Olbermann's audience, the handful he's driven away by calling Hillary out have apparently been replaced...

Huffington Post   |   June 10, 2008 01:05 PM

MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" beat Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" in the key Adults 25-54 demographic for the first time ever last week.

"Countdown" averaged 477,000 viewers (A25-54) vs. O'Reilly's 472,000 (excluding Tuesday's primary coverage). This marks the first time that MSNBC has beaten Fox News in O'Reilly's 8pm time slot since June 2001.

So Olbermann probably doesn't care what a handful of bitter Hillary dead-enders think about him.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:14:27 AM EST
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Re: Such as...? (none / 0)

Jesus.  So now anyone who doesn't like Olbermann is a "Bushevik"? Are you president of the Olbermann fan club or what? Here's a news flash worthy of Bill Moyers:  progressives are allowed to disagree about things and still be progressives.  


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:14:44 PM EST
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You need to read more carefully. (none / 0)

One doesn't have to be a bushevik to share an opinion with them. They hate Olbermann because he calls Bush out for bullshit -- and Hillaryheads hate him because he called her out bullshit.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 12:19:16 AM EST
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WTF?!?!?! (none / 0)

My definition of a real journalist is one who reports and comments on facts rather than hearsay, association, and innuendo. Real journalists also don't serve as scribes for candidate, party, or government.

Such as:

Keith Olbermann

WTF?!?!?!

If you don't realize that Keith Olbermann was a scribe for Barack Obama, and is therefore not a real journalist by your own definition, I can't help you.

And if you don't realize that, on a nightly basis, Keith Olbermann used association against Hillary, in order to be a scribe for Obama, then I can't help you.

But you don't really want my help.  You just want to call me a deadender, even though I'm voting for Obama, because voting for Obama is not enough for you, is it?  We have to shout from the rooftops that he won not only fair and square, but because he is a political Jesus and Hillary a Judas.  We have to wholeheartedly support every Obama shill, no matter how shrill, or we're not "real Democrats".

Fuck you!  You'll get my vote, but I'll never proclaim that Obama won fair and square, or that Olbermann is NOT the Bill O'Reilly of the left, so fucking deal with it.


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by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:30:22 AM EST
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Grow up. (none / 0)

Olbermann called Hillary out for her bullshit campaign tactics just as he's been calling out Bush for his similar bullshit.

Frankly, I don't want your help if it means having to listen to childish tantrums about being ill treated.

I'll give you a pass on the "fuck you" since you're obviously distraught and irrational right now.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:47:52 AM EST
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oops. (none / 0)

Here it is. Ask kevin22262.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:32:34 AM EST
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another unwarranted attack on democrats (none / 0)

Who supported hrc, and another tr.  Anyone else wanna insult this former hrc and current obama supporter?  I can just smell the unity.  Oh, wait.  Smells more like teen spirit.  Is this a high school lockerroom?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 07:31:48 AM EST
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I can just smell the unity. (none / 0)

From those who endlessly bitch and whine about the way Hillary was treated, the smell of "unity" is a stench.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:42:36 AM EST
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See my new diary re: Animal Farm. You're a pig! (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:05:51 PM EST
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I guess that makes you a sheep. (none / 0)


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:41:09 PM EST
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No,because I'll vote for Obama but hate Olbermann. (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:57:26 PM EST
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but hate Olbermann (none / 0)

Whatever. I don't think Olberman cares since his show is doing its best ever......


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 05:49:45 PM EST
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Olbermann=Hack (2.00 / 4)

I think Keith is too much like a Bill O'Reilly- only progressive.  He has proven that recently with his self righteous diatribes.  Not a real journalist- even though I usually agree with him (EXCEPT for his Clinton- hate / Sexism).

Please, the news is bad enough.  Can we get a real journalist up in here??????????????


by easyE on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:50:08 PM EST

Re: Olbermann=Hack (2.00 / 1)

Progressive all except for his virulent sexism. (And I've also noted a fratboy approach to gay issues also.) So, progressive is not exactly a word I'd use with regard to him.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:57:44 PM EST
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Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 5)

no.  He starts out OK (honeymoon period) and then it goes to his head.

I used to adore KO.  I don't anymore.  The blinders have been removed.  


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:50:40 PM EST

If he were on the networks, (2.00 / 5)

he'd become no better than Couric, Williams, or Bootlicker Gibson. The quality of the anchor has almost nothing to do with the integrity of the anchor, but rather, with the express agenda of the network s/he works for.

The sooner we acknowledge this, the better. The problem isn't with the anchors, but with the networks. They're the ones who set the agenda of what can and cannot be discussed. The anchors are simply the figureheads on the sinking ships.


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by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:51:47 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 2)

I love the guy, he isn't afraid to voice his opinion regardless what people think of him.  He is one of the best commentators on the network.


by hocuspocus on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

I can't see Olbermann producing any better results than Couric.  Furthermore, from a journalistic prospective, it's exceptionally difficult to migrate from a more editorial footing to a solidly objective footing.  He'll be remembered for Countdown and that'll tint the glasses of entire audiences watching him as a serious journalist.


by ejintx on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:56:38 PM EST

I have no reason (2.00 / 3)

to boycott CBS News.

If Olbermann was the anchor, I would have a reason.


by Coldblue on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 09:58:34 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 6)

I heard that ABC asked Jon Stewart to move to their network and he declined.  

Similar situation.  Both guys are really able to say what they want, no matter whose feathers they ruffle, where they are now.  This is especially true since both have been so successful ratings-wise (Olbermann's not only MSNBC's highest-rated show, and now beating O'Reilly in demo, but he's raised ratings across the network).  

But move them to a network, and they'd be hamstrung.  PC police, left and right, would be all over them.  

Heck, look at the comments here.  Olbermannn has been a big Maddow champion at MSNBC, and was personally friendly with both Clintons before the campaign.  Yet the fact that he voiced his beliefs about her campaign tactics have made many who supported Clinton dislike him strongly, accusing him of being biased against Hillary in particular and women generally.    


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by bosdcla14 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:07:14 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 3)

Exactly. Given that a small faction of online Democrats now find one of the strongest voices of the left on television to be THE ENEMY, why would he put himself in the line of fire on a mainstream network?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:09:12 PM EST
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CBS blew it. (2.00 / 1)

Olbermann would have them on top instead of in the crapper.

But I'm glad he would up staying at MSNBC where he fets a full hour to expose political trash.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:07:58 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 2)

Nope, keep Olbermann where he is. News anchors are too hamstrung now, especially ones that work for the top broadcast networks.

While I think Olbermann can go over the top on occasion, he's still a pretty good guy by and large. The only people who seem to really dislike him are NeoCons and Hillary supporters who saw conspiracies everywhere...


by Rictor Rockets on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:17:50 PM EST

No! No! No! Olbermann sucks! (2.00 / 1)

It would be the worst thing to happen to network news since Rupert Murdoch bought Fox.


by bobswern on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:25:21 PM EST

Uh... (none / 0)

Rupert Murdoch founded Fox, at least in its incarnation as a TV network and later as a cable news network.  When News Corp bought it, it was only a movie studio.


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by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:02:09 AM EST
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Re: Uh... (none / 0)

Rupert Murdoch founded the Fox Network and of course the Fox News Channel. He bought Twentieth Century Fox Film & Twentieth Century Fox Television, which has a long and storied history having nothing to do with Rupert Murdoch.


by OtherLisa on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:01:06 AM EST
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What we need is (2.00 / 4)

"Somebody who can take him (KO)into a room and only he (not KO) comes out."

Screw KO and MSNBC.


by Newport News Dem on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:27:13 PM EST

You know, I find it ironic... (none / 0)

That the same people who get the vapors over "take her into a room and only he comes out" also get the vapors over Olbermann getting the vapors over Clinton's "Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June" remark.

But maybe that's just me.


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by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:04:46 AM EST
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You're right...it''s you. (none / 0)

Go take your Hillary hate and that disgusting RFK meme elsewhere. You have no more of a right bringing it up now than Olbermann did when he went in his typically over-the-top manner and made an ass of himself in the process of so doing. Olbermann did more harm to his own brand that day than perhaps at any other time in his career.

When the newspaper's editorial board--where Hillary made the comment in a completely different context--endorsed her a few days later; and RFK Jr., came out in her support hours after that, it was self-evident that everything relating to that event was being taken and twisted out of context for bogus spin purposes.

But, since you go there now, tell me this: Even a couple of hours after the fact, David Axelrod comes out and tells the press that they should back off of Hillary because they're taking the incident out of context. Then, hours after that, Azelrod--himself--takes Olbermann's rants and broadcast emails it to his press list, essentially doing one of the more two-faced, hypocritical things in the entire campaign.

Yes, this was not one of the Obama camp's most integrity-filled days. And, it was Olbermann putting a lot of fuel on that bogus fire which helped make it so noteworthy in this regard.

To anyone that supports that type of behavior--regardless of which side it's coming from--IMHO, they can go to hell.

As for Olbermann--and those devotees of his bloviations--the man's stock is quickly depreciating in light of the guy's total disregard for discerning fact versus fiction, and his gross embrace of the Fox-school of commentary, where you rant first, and then ask questions later.

It's too bad you had to go there, in terms of bringing up the RFK matter, frankly. It just supports the impression that you've still got a lot of Hillary hate--and that mentality has no place in the repertoire of any Democrat seeking party unity now. Take it somewhere else, or continue this false meme at your own risk.


by bobswern on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:50:35 AM EST
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You seem to have missed the point (none / 0)

I didn't say anything for or against the "RFK meme."

My point is, you manage to hold two absolutely conflicting concepts in your mind at the same time:


  1. Hillary Clinton made a comment that is offensive if misinterpreted--but it was not meant to be interpreted that way, and anyone who criticizes her for it (like Keith Olbermann) can never, ever be forgiven.

  2. Keith Olbermann made a comment that is offensive if misinterpreted--and he can never, ever be forgiven.

It must be headache-inducing.

I'm not too worried about party unity overall--November is still pretty far away.  And as we all remember, Jim Jones led his cult in a mass suicide in Jonestown in November.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:19:29 AM EST
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When Olbermann indicates... (none / 0)

...some degree of remorse, or even begins to acknowledge that he was wrong and over-the-top for doing what he did as far as the RFK meme was concerned, I'd certainly consider forgiving him for that.

Until then, IMHO, he's just another in-the-tank media figure...and one who's built a career on bloviating, as opposed to true journalism, too.

So, please don't put words in my mouth in your response.

It is what it is. Until further notice, in my book, Olbermann's just another typical assholular pundit, and little more. He's yet to establish any journalism credentials, IMHO, too.


by bobswern on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:17:17 AM EST
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You're still missing the point (none / 0)

People like Newport News Dem are doing the exact same thing to Keith Olbermann that you are angry at Keith Olbermann for doing to Senator Clinton, intentionally misinterpreting his remark in the worst possible light.

Where's the moral outrage, where's the intense and sanctimonious defense of Olbermann?

Why does Senator Clinton get a pass when she puts her foot in her mouth--and anyone who dares criticize her for it is forced to apologize before they can possibly be forgiven for their trespass--but when Keith Olbermann does the exact same thing, it's perfectly okay to criticize him for it?


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by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:32:05 AM EST
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Making comparisons is bogus! (none / 0)

Olbermann's supposedly a working member of the press. He has a professional responsibility to get it right, not to deliberately contort!

Your comparison here is so completely bogus, it demonstrates to me how futile it is to even attempt to engage in further rational discourse about this subject with you!

Bye, bye!


by bobswern on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:41:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

"Working member of the press"? (none / 0)

I thought he was, depending on the term you prefer to use, a commentator, pundit, or "member of the commentariat."

Olbermann doesn't pretend, and never has pretended, to be "fair and balanced" or objective.  He doesn't report the news, he comments on the news; that's what his show is about.

And anyway, I wouldn't figure that Senator Clinton's position (as a member of Congress and a potential Presidential nominee) would have given her license to "deliberately contort" either.  I guess I'd have been wrong.


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by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:50:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No, wait... (none / 0)

I see the comparison you're trying to make here.

It's not okay for Olbermann to get offended at Clinton's remark because that's deliberately contorting and he has a responsibility not to do that.

But it is okay for pro-Clinton users of this site to get offended at Olbermann's remark because they don't have a responsibility not to deliberately contort.

Sorry that I misunderstood for whom you were trying to justify intellectual dishonesty. :)


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:53:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Blogging directions... (none / 0)

DIRECTIONS FOR BLOGGING:

1.) When responding and/or commenting on a diary, stay on topic. Don't contort another commenter's words.

2.) When confused, or trying to make bogus points to hide your hatred of certain candidates, ignore point #1.

3.) When going off the deep end, REPEAT STEP #1.

Buh, bye...


by bobswern on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:56:54 AM EST
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Re: Blogging directions... (none / 0)

I make a comparison between Keith Olbermann and commenters on this site who are doing the exact same thing.

You tell me that I can't make that comparison because Keith Olbermann has a responsibility to "get it right" and not to "deliberately contort."

The logical implication there is, the commenters on this site don't have that responsibility and should feel free to get it wrong and deliberately contort to their heart's content.

But then you defend the right of these same commenters to criticize Olbermann for getting it wrong and deliberately contorting.

I wonder what you think I'm confused about.  I'm sorry you've painted yourself into the position of having to defend hypocrisy, but you were the one who put yourself there.

If you disagree with what I listed up there as your logical implication, then give me some other set of premises in which what you've said is logically consistent.  As far as I can see, the only way to make your statements consistent is to allow MyDD commenters the right to be intellectually dishonest and hypocritical with impunity.


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by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:41:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're right...it''s you. (none / 0)

Golly, it must be strange for you to say two obviously completely contradictory statements in the same sentence.


by mrrara on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:55:44 AM EST
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Re: What we need is (none / 0)

You know, taking someone into a room to murder them is actually a pretty bad way to murder them.  Sort of implicates you, you know?

So it's sort of a stretch to even begin to interpret that as Keith talking about murdering Clinton.


by mrrara on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:23:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Gross/deliberate contortion of my words. (none / 0)

I guess this it to be expected when there's little substance in your rebuttal, though.

Weak. Very, very weak....just like support for Olbermann's RFK rants...very, very weak.


by bobswern on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:23:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

He was replying to Newport News Dem (none / 0)

And the intentional misinterpretation of Olbermann's "[party leader] who can take her into a room and only he comes out" comment.  So they weren't your words, unless you are also Newport News Dem.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:35:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

I like Olbermann, but I don't think he'd work well in a 'real' nightly news format.  

Although anything would beat Couric.  I like this quote from, oddly enough, Miss USA 2007 Rachel Smith:

"I just don't want to end up like Katie Couric. I want people to take me seriously."
You know you're in trouble when someone who appears on the other Donald Trump reality show is saying you're a joke without any provocation.


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:28:30 PM EST

Olbemann = that abusive jerk (2.00 / 1)

"But, just as Obama must work to win Clinton supporters for the fall campaign, Phil Griffin has to repair a fractured audience base, a portion of which saw sexism in his network's Clinton coverage and vowed to boycott MSNBC. Griffin knows that some of that anger is aimed at his star anchor. "It was, like, you meet a guy and you fall in love with him, and he's funny and he's clever and he's witty, and he's all these great things," Griffin said of the relationship between Olbermann and the Clinton supporters among his viewers. "And then you commit yourself to him, and he turns out to be a jerk and difficult and brutal. And that is how the Hillary viewers see him. It's true. But I do think they're going to come back. There's nowhere else to go."

What a sickening analogy.  Yeah, don't we always go back to our abusers?  What else are we going to do?


by JustJennifer on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:29:04 PM EST

Re: Olbemann = that abusive jerk (2.00 / 1)

We have nowhere else to go?

I'd rather do almost anything else than watch MSNBC.

Nowhere else to go? Is the man as deluded as he sounds?

I won't be migrating back to MSNBC and the "brutal jerk" he expects us to fall in love with all over again.

MSNBC's ratings are not good and they aren't about to get any better.


by cuppajoe on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:04:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

After his behavior on Countdown this year where he turned of half of his viewers, I think he is off the short list.  Too bad, he did it to himself.


by Scotch on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:40:19 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 2)

Except his ratings went up this year.


by Cheebs on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:43:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 4)

It's the same math the deadenders use when they claim "millions" will sit out the election and vote for McCain to enact revenge against Obama. In this case, some people have chosen to boycott KO, which means absolutely no one is watching him any more. Nevermind that the majority of Clinton-supporting Democrats are already behind Obama, and that KO's ratings have never been higher.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:46:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 2)

Quit using the term "deadenders".  Enough people have expressed dislike on here of the term and consider it an insult that you ought to be able to respect that.  

Entertainment news is what MSNBC is for, and Olberman is a part of it.  It means nothing that his ratings were high on MSNBC in relation to serious newscasts.


by Scotch on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:49:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sadly, no! (2.00 / 3)

"Democrats" who plan to vote for McCain in November are deadenders with respect to Clinton (who has urged her supporters to back Obama) and the rest of the Democratic party (which is backing Obama).

And MSNBC isn't any different from any other news station in its gearing toward entertainment. Within that context, Olbermann does well. I've never claimed any different, and never will as long as the news is geared toward agitprop and ad revenue rather than people-empowering information.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:53:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sadly, no! (none / 0)

The network news has not yet bought the concept of entertainment news, thankfully.  And because someone does not like Olberman does not mean they will be voting for McCain, making your strawman a bogus attempt to deny the idea that he is not fit for anything else but MSNBC.


by Scotch on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:10:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sadly, no! (none / 0)

Hey, if you're voting for the nominee (the Democratic nominee), the term doesn't apply to you.

And to imply the networks propogate anything but entertainment news is silly. The garbage on NBC, CBS, and ABC is as much of a reason for why we're in Iraq as anything else.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:16:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sadly, no! (none / 0)

It really bothers you when people don't think like you do, doesn't it.


by Scotch on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:21:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Says the guy trying to defend (none / 0)

Clinton "supporters" planning on sitting out the election and/or voting for McCain.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:22:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Says the guy trying to defend (none / 0)

Edit: insert gender-neutral pronoun in place of guy. I thought you were male. My mistake.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:23:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Says the guy trying to defend (none / 0)

See what I mean?  You can't let go until all is corrected and everyone in in your column.  I'm not coming around.  Sorry.


by Scotch on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:25:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You seem to be under the misconception (none / 0)

that I'm trying to convert you.

I'm not.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:26:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Sadly, no! (none / 0)

Furthermore, in the case of the networks, the "news" isn't entertainment-geared so much as it's pro-corporate and pro-GOP. As bad as one's chances of finding real news are on cable, such chances are that much smaller on the airwaves. You can thank Disney, GE, and Verizon (?) for that.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:19:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The term deadender is rudely being misapplied. (none / 0)

Just look at this thread, and others on the Rec list.  The term "deadender" is being used to insult even those who are voting for Obama.  

If you don't like Keith Olbermann, you're a deadender - just look at this thread.

It IS insulting, and it IS pushing me, personally, AWAY from Obama, just when I was leaning toward him.  Keep up the good work, unifiers!!!


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:36:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What Frank Rich had to say (none / 0)

Women are in fact moving to Obama, even if they don't like the sexism:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/opinio n/15rich.html?ref=opinion

Here is Frank Rich on this:

"The notion that all female Clinton supporters became 'angry white women' once their candidate lost -- to the hysterical extreme where even lifelong Democrats would desert their own party en masse -- is itself a sexist stereotype. That's why some of the same talking heads and Republican operatives who gleefully insulted Mrs. Clinton are now peddling this fable on such flimsy anecdotal evidence"


by KateG on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:40:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

Network evening news is supposed to be serious news.  When people want entertainment news they can go to MSNBC.  It is a different group that watches network news.  Dan Rather is hard to replace.  He was a serious reporter, actually starting as a war correspondant, and risked his safety reporting from Viet Nam.  What has Olberman ever done compared to that?  Ducked a baseball or something?


by Scotch on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:46:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Except he didn't. (2.00 / 2)

You are a member of a small minority of Clinton supporters who has a vendetta against anyone you perceive as not having given Clinton the respect she deserves.  Not saying that she wasn't picked on sometimes (that happens when you are in the public eye) but not everyone is refusing to watch the only network that gave a voice to those on the left.  CNN hired Beck, Faux hired O'Reilly and MSNBC hired Olbermann.  I'll stick to MSNBC.  


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:37:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Except he didn't. (2.00 / 1)

I'm getting a kick out of how much some people here just can't stand it when their choice of newscaster or entertainment news provider or fill in the blank isn't liked by all.  That makes anyone who doesn't like him someone with a vendetta.  You guys ought to let go.  You can't control everyone and everything, and really people don't HAVE to think like you.  Notice there are quite a few people here who share my opinion along with a whole diary supporting the way we feel on the rec list.  Just let others feel and think what they do.  It'll be okay.


by Scotch on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:19:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You're missing the point (intentionally?) (none / 0)

By the way Olbermann acted during the primary process, he embarrassed himself and ruined his name.  Hillary hate was not the end, it was really just the means by which he was exposed.

He shed journalistic integrity and became an enbarrassment with his shrill comments, shilling for Obama.  

If you want to get your news from a loudmouthed propagandist, who shows his personal biases on his sleeve, that's fine with me.  You can either watch Bill O'Reilly or Keith Olbermann.

But stop blaming Hillary Rodham Clinton or her supporters for Keith Olbermann being such an obnoxious tool.  Its insulting to me.  I don't get to blame Keith Olbermann when I screw up on my job and lose credibility, so why does he get to blame me???????????????


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:39:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Before Couric, there was Roger Ailes at MSNBC... (2.00 / 1)

Folks forget that MSNBC's news division is made up--to a great extent--of folks that were brought in and nurtured by none other than Roger Ailes...the architect of George Bush, Sr's media and Dubya's first term.

Indeed, Dan Quayle was a direct byproduct of Roger Ailes, being handpicked by Ailes to counterbalance George H.W. Bush's age. We all know where that led us, don't we?

In any event, Ailes went on to handle media duties for folks like Al D'Amato, Mitch McConnell, Orrin Hatch, Connie Mack and many others. Ailes was the go-to media guru throughout the 90's for the Rethugs.

From MSNBC, Ailes went onto Fox. Indeed, to a great extent, Ailes implemented Rupert Murdoch's mandate for audience above all else, no matter what had to be done to bastardize news programming to facilitate that.

And, that's where we are today.

Indirectly--at the very least--Olbermann is a byproduct of this rightwing management and content development school.

That's why he sucks! That's why Olbermann sucks.

To this very day, MSNBC's news bears the imprint of none other than Roger Ailes.

To that I say, shame on MSNBC. Shame on Fox. And, to hell with Roger Ailes!

If I want my "news" stylized, opinionated and with a definitive conservative slant, I'll tune into MSNBC or Fox...or a variety of other pathetic excuses for "news" available in this country.

Olbermann, a byproduct of this machine, represents everything that's wrong with news coverage in this country, today. It doesn't matter if you're conservative or liberal, subjective news coverage SUCKS!


by bobswern on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:43:58 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 3)

Not Olberman or anyone else hired for the anchor could return us to the quality investigative news reporting of the Walter Cronkite era.  Cronkite edited the incoming reports into that 22 minutes. But he had excellent incoming reports to edit then present. Thoughtful opinions by Eric Sevareid, field reports from Charles Collingwood, Robert Trout, Richard C. Hottelet, Daniel Shore, Charles Kuralt, Morton Dean, Leslie Stahl and Dan Rather.  Will the network hire or can they even find that collective level of reporters to give the nightly anchor such concise in depth news reports each and every evening? Alas, my friends, its not a matter of who the anchor will be, it is a matter that the network news has been cancelled. The news divisions no longer exist and it all belongs to the entertainment division whose job it is to spice it up for entertainment ratings values. In such a non public service environment, we cannot report the news, we can only listen to a nightly magazine show and we are all made much poorer for it!


by politics64 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:02:50 PM EST

Short Answer (2.00 / 1)

NO


by MediaFreeze on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:03:40 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

Isn't it important for a network anchor to have some credibility?


by Thaddeus on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:08:03 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

I love Olbermann and have seldom disagreed with anything he's said but I think that he'd be bored with a straight newscast.
by Gene In PA on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:09:48 PM EST

Yes, I think so. (none / 0)

I would like regular nightly news shows to devote some time to what's going on in our government.  A few minutes talking about the FISA bill or the fight over SCHIP funding or lack of funding for NCLB, etc. would help inform the masses about what our government is up to.  So many people don't realize the true scope of how awful Bush & Co has been for this country.  Not everyone watches C-Span or reads the blogs.

I like Olbermann where he is because he isn't constrained by the silly notion that he needs to 'balance' facts with bullshit.  However, would love to see someone with his ability, and his great voice, be given at few minutes at the end of nightly news...like an op-ed piece in the paper.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:29:39 PM EST

no, he's a pompous ass. (2.00 / 0)

one i happen to agree with most of the time, but still an ass.


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:44:53 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

Keith Olbermann takes over Meet the Press as the man knows how to do his homework, no doubt about it...

Rachel Maddow takes over Countdown..and makes it Countdown with Rachel Maddow.

Done.

GOBAMA!!!


by davefl79 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:48:25 PM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

Right on

We need more Rachel Maddows although even she has made some predictions about the Clinton campaign that did not come to pass.

On the other hand, KO would definitely call BS when he hears it on Meet the Press


by Namekarb on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:59:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

I'd love to see Rachel Maddow take over Countdown (or any MSNBC show), but I don't agree with Olbermann for Meet the Press.  I stopped watching him a few years ago - too much like O'Reilly for my liking (just coming from the other side). I dislike O'Reilly as much as the next (sane) person, but Olbermann's rants were becoming obsessive and creepy.  I would like to see someone host Meet the Press who's been covering politics and the white house closely for a while. Since my favorite reporter Helen Thomas is too old, someone like David Gregory? Nora O'Donnell?  I think Nora O'Donnell would be a really good choice - especially since Katie Couric fell flat IMO not because she's a woman, but because she came from more of an entertainment show than a news show.


by AnnC on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 08:41:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

NORA O'DONNELL, a newswoman, PLLLLEASE! she is prototypical of the pretty face getting ahead. Her sadistic laugh everysingle time a story that makes the Democrats look bad comes onto topic. Keep that Republican Momma on maternity leave, certainly keep her off of network television!!!


by politics64 on Wed Jun 18, 2008 at 08:19:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

WELL I HAVE TO ADMIT I was never a Katie Couric (none / 0)

fan.............but now that she has spoken up for women,  I have started to tune in.  I like what I see.  She does a fantastic job with the news, and she is a top notch journalist.  I am sorry I misjudged her.  I plan on watching her every night from now on.


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:32:35 AM EST

Re: WELL I HAVE TO ADMIT I was never a Katie Couri (none / 0)

Couric is great at reading the teleprompter and she has some good staff for doing the actual work, but whenever she gets in the field herself... oh, it's a mess. Her flirtatious propaganda interview with Petraeus was the most painful broadcast news segment I've ever watched.


by Stroszek on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:15:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

You know I really used to watch Olbermann every night & enjoy the show. But some of the things he did in this primary just was not helpful and often he made actual mis-statements. That changed my perception of him.  However I will say to his benefit that I think he has a more commanding presence as an evening anchor. To his detriment I think he would have been "Dan Rathered" pretty quickly - I mean the station has not treated Rather fairly I think at all towards the end - I can't believe they would hire another outspoken reporter who is viewed as very liberal by the public. I don't think that would've went over well.  I think overall at this point I think it is to his personal/professional benefit that he didn't wind up at CBS, at least not right now.


by jrsygrl on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:17:35 AM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

Keith puts on a fine and entertaining show, but he's not really a political journalist. CBS needs to correct their mistake and do a hard news show produced by veteran journalists. They should poach someone like Gwen Ifill or Judy Woodruff from PBS. Couric simply did not have the skills for this job.


by Stroszek on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:25:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 0)

Drafting KO is kind of like drafting TO.  You'll get a high-performer, but you'll also get a lot of drama.  It'll help in the short term, but as for the long term...who knows?


by randomscientist on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:19:16 AM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

Who cares?

The national evening half-hour news broadcast is going the way of the afternoon newspaper. In the age of on demand news it is simply not relevant. Convert that spot into a showcase of investigative journalism with stories that can be chopped into parts for continuation pieces and you have a show that will reverse the slipping demographics.

For the people that like to rip into KO for commenting on his comment show about how the Clinton campaign had gone off the rails, what did you expect? He all but admitted that he voted for her, and really started criticizing her when she started with the "McCain and I are better qualified" crap.

Olbermann wants the Republicans to lose full stop. He hates them cause they tore up the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. He turned against Hillary when she started blowing up the party in an effort to stem her primary losses. The Clinton strategy didn't work but it probably bought Jerome a nice vacation with all the traffic it brought here. Either way KO has a better spot where he is, rather than doing the Poremkin patrol around Iraq like Katie Couric.

I admire KO's courage but I don't expect him to bite down too far on the hand that feeds. He is doing well now, but who knows what a change in office can bring.


by wengler on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:27:59 AM EST

If Olbermann had hosted CBS News, (2.00 / 1)

Plamegate would have been a story from day one.  CNN would not have been able to ignore it for moteh than a year.  The other networks would have followed suit.  Same goes for the Attorney Firings scandal.  Same goes for telcom immunity.  A host of stories that would have got NO coverage if the usual band of fools who protect us from non-stories had their way.

Olbermann may take sides at time, because that is the format of his show, but at least he covers real stories.  And you can thank the other Hillary-pariah, David Shuster, for that as well, because he covered those stories for MSNBC when they weren't considered newsworthy by people like NBC's Jay Carson.

I am just astonished that whatever grudge the Hillary hold-ons have for Olbermann could override the overriding need for us to have any basic outlet for stories of interst to progressives that the rest of the media all ignore.  Instead, they post diaries that make the rec list honoring Fox and O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.


by Dumbo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 04:45:52 AM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

If Olbermann is sexist for criticizing Hillary Clinton, image what Mark Penn must be for ruining her whole friggin' campaign!  Penn should be banned from participating in any Democratic candidate's efforts.  Forever.  And ever.  Seriously, if you simply must blame a man for Clinton's loss......

I am an unabashed Olbermann fan, and will continue to be one.  However, KO is a commentator, not a reporter, and network anchor chairs should be filled by reporters.  The same goes for the currently vacant MTP chair.  Keith has his successful forum, and should remain where he is for the time being.  


Take out the trash. Down with Saxby Chambliss!
by CLLGADEM on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 05:50:01 AM EST

Re: CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 0)

No to Keith Obamamann.  Ed Murrow NOT.  He should be fired for his dispicible performance on MSNBC.

This post also explains further motivation for his recent disgusting WPITW -- some personal vendetta on his part.


by moevaughn on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 07:46:42 AM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

I just think Olbermann's ego has inflated to exceed the size of any room he broadcasts from - and I started thinking that long before any of this stuff many perceive as sexist treatment of Clinton occurred.  I thought his first "special comment", last year sometime, was effective - but you can't keep that up without starting to sound like Paul Harvey or Rush Limbaugh. And that's what he's become - of course, he comes at it from slightly left of center, so I tolerate it a bit better.  But he's still become a blowhard so full of himself that he's lost all perspective.  And newsman?  journalist?  Well, he used to be a sportscaster, but I don't know that he's ever really been a journalist.  I would LOVE to see Amanpour in that spot - but she might not want to do it.  Now there's a woman with credibility and gravitas.

I don't care for Couric - she's an entertainer, not a newsperson - but I may start watching CBS, just because I can't stand any more Tim Russert hagiography pieces on NBC.  Enough already.


by geordie on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:01:36 AM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (2.00 / 1)

The animosity toward Olbermann apparently stems from two sources: his "bring them both in a room and only one comes out" comment, and his calling out Clinton on her Rovian campaign tactics. On the first, he was obviously speaking metaphorically, but he did it very clumsily. He apologized the next night. On the second, he was entirely justified. Clinton ran the most appalling right-leaning campaign by a Democrat I've ever seen. The most devastating part of Olbermann's last Special Comment on Clinton was the long list of tactics you would've sworn came from a Republican.

If you don't like sexism on MSNBC, you need to train your guns on the right target: Chris Matthews.


by laviolet on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 10:15:23 AM EST

Jesus, the Olbermann hate is out of hand (none / 0)

From reading MyDD you'd think Olbermann was worse than the lovechild of Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly.

Why attack your enemies when you've got friends whose backs are turned, eh?


"I will veto every single beer!" -- John McCain
by fwiffo3 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 11:29:11 AM EST

Re: Before Couric, CBS Considered Olbermann (none / 0)

Two points:
   KO would probably not fit for the CBS spot not because of his editorial opinions, which are part of the format of his program, but because the Evening News position is part of the flagship trademark of a network, and the person seated in that ch