Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A!

Gallup's latest national tracking poll shows Obama leaving McCain in the dust.

Obama 46% McCain 43%.

Well he's not my candidate but it's pretty clear he will win in a landslide.

Happy Friday night all!



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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Well, as some people keep repeating Bush was down 15 points or so compared to Kerry in 2004.

So at this rate, if Obama is already up 3 points, we'll have a victory of 18% where the popular vote is concerned.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:38:30 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

So Bush was behind Kerry by 15, and McCain is behind Obama by 3, at the same point in the election and that is good how?


by Scotch on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:42:49 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 2)

I believe the greater point is that these polls can change in 5 months.


by Raumfahrer on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:47:45 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Basically because it indicates that popular vote polls don't matter one bit, and either candidate can have a +-15% between now and the election.

Get it now?


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:48:16 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

What I see is a very tough electoral map for Obama, and if you don't you are kidding yourselves.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:52:01 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

I don't at all.  You should probably give reasons, because this statement is far from obvious to, I think, most people on here.

Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania are ALL in play, and looking strong for Obama.  He doesn't really flip any blue states into the red column that I can think of off the top of my head.  Remember, Kerry only lost in 04 because of Ohio...


by Raumfahrer on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:59:10 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 3)

Of those, maybe he wins PA, but I doubt it. You guys had better get a little more scared, because otherwise this thing is going to be a wipeout.

I'll grant you that McCain is not a strong candidate, and that the Bush legacy should be enough for any Dem to win, but Obama is about the toughest sell in the swing states that the Dems could have put forward. That's the truth, and we had better recognize it and deal with it.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:05:56 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 6)

Judging by the tabloid nature of your anti-Obama diaries it's obvious you want to fail. And I do greatly appreciate your "concern."

But I'm not biting that hook.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:38:46 PM EST
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You scared? (none / 0)

what are you doing to help?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:43:46 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

Have you actually LOOKED at a poll since Hillary lost, or can you just not bear the thought of it?


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:48:39 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

RCP Average    05/01 - 05/21    --    46.3    40.5    Obama +5.8
Rasmussen    05/21 - 05/21    500 LV    45    43    Obama +2.0
Quinnipiac    05/13 - 05/20    1667 RV    46    40    Obama +6.0
SurveyUSA    05/16 - 05/18    600 RV    48    40    Obama +8.0
Susquehanna    05/01 - 05/06    800 LV    46    39    Obama +7.0
Quinnipiac    04/23 - 04/29    1494 RV    47    38    Obama +9.0
If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:49:50 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

That was PA. Here's Ohio:

RCP Average    05/13 - 05/20    --    44.0    42.7    Obama +1.3
SurveyUSA    05/16 - 05/18    600 RV    48    39    Obama +9.0
Quinnipiac    05/13 - 05/20    1244 RV    40    44    McCain +4.0
Rasmussen    05/15 - 05/15    500 LV    44    45    McCain +1.0
Quinnipiac    04/23 - 04/29    1127 RV    42    43    McCain +1.0
SurveyUSA    04/11 - 04/13    527 RV    45    47    McCain +2.0

That last poll was from Survey USA BEFORE the end of the primary season.
Michigan might be tough, but the rest of those are firmly in Obama's hands. Within a couple of weeks, after we've seen him actually fully formulate and implement his strategy, those numbers will jump up and stay up.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:55:18 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

But right now, ALL Republican maps hinge on keeping Ohio. If Obama takes it, they're done.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:55:56 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

While we are cherry-picking states, it's pretty clear that Obama was consistently performing better than Sen. Clinton in MN, WA, OR, WI, and IA -- all states a Democrat has to win in the fall, and MN and OR have a Senate prize while WA has a gubernatorial prize.  Also, Obama performs better in AK and VA, where there are important Senate races there, and a large McCain victory could keep Ted Stevens in the Senate.


by Brad G on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:08:40 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

Luckily the Obama campaign is not relying on commenters on MyDD to win them the election. Other than their votes of course.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:14:11 AM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 6)

If you don't want Obama to win and don't plan to vote for him, then you (and catfish) have no business arguing to his voters about polling numbers -- because we'll be at opposing sides.

And if you do want Obama to win and you do plan to vote for him, then the hardness of the path ahead becomes irrelevant as it's our common path and the only path we have.

And if you're undecided -- then I don't see why polling numbers would affect your decision one way or another.

So, what's your point?


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:01:44 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

My point is this. (And I have not been posting lately, because every time I do I get this kind of groupthink gang mentality treatment)...

Obama is not a shoe in. Since drumming Clinton out of the race Obama supporters have been celebrating and crowing like they just won the election. You did not. We Democrats have a very tough electoral challenge ahead.

It is made even tougher since we have now nominated a candidate that appeals to the left side of the Democratic party and despite the rhetoric does not carry the middle. We've done this before with McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis, and we got clobbered.

Rather that get all worked up at me for pointing this out, it would be better to acknowledge the challenge and take it on. Calling me names and using the same sort of bullying tactics that you have succeeded with in the primary is not a path to success. But, keep it up, if you want...


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:14:47 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

I don't remember calling you names -- and I don't appreciate the implication that I used "bullying tactics".

Like it or not, catfish wasn't "pointing out a challenge", he was cheering at his hopes for a McCain victory. Your defense of him is misguided.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:18:44 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 3)

I don't know who catfish is, or what his other postings are about.

But, wake up, Obama is only ahead by less than a margin of error.

Popular vote does not matter, he faces an almost impossible electoral map if history is any guide.

Don't attack catfish for pointing it out. Go out and win this election. There are two Supreme Court picks in the balance. If you guys won the battle and got Obama the nomination and then go on to lose the war, we are in deep trouble.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:30:21 PM EST
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Hillary wasn't up by much more (2.00 / 1)

than Obama was...the problem is not the weakness of the Democratic nominee, but the ignored strength of the Republican nominee.

If we all start working for the nominee, he'll win. Same if it had gone the other way. Neither candidate was a lock.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:34:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary wasn't up by much more (none / 0)

I disagree, but that is a mute point now.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:39:50 PM EST
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Re: Hillary wasn't up by much more (2.00 / 1)

So why harp on about when you can't do anything about it? Please, please get behind the party nominee. Is it really worth cutting your nose off to spite your face over? The alternative should be unpaletable to anybody who considers themselves to be a Democrat. And if you don't then I don't know why you are even here.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:49:54 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

An almost impossible electoral map? What garbage!


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:40:01 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

MediaFreeze,

Let's cut to the chase. Do YOU plan to vote for Obama?


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:42:31 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

MediaFreeze,

Let's cut to the chase. Do YOU plan to vote for Obama?


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:42:40 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

Of course. I just want him to win now and the way you guys are going about insulting everyone is not going to do it.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:16:51 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

Judging from your past diaries and comments that seems questionable. But I'll take your word for it.

Nobody questions the challenges that Obama is going to face. They're going to go negative on him big time because they're worried. They're so worried they're getting sloppy. "Terrorist fist jab" and "Obama's babby mamma", for example. There will definitely be bumps in the road. There are always bumps in the road.

None of us has a crystal ball but thus far the road to taking back the Whitehouse looks promising.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:38:15 AM EST
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Re: Credibility Gap - Victim Card (2.00 / 2)

Keep playing the victim card.

"Drumming her out of the primary."

"Bullying tactics"

Well, gee, looks to me like she lost fair and square.  You lose ALL credibility when you taint your comments with such trollish bias.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:49:59 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Mediafreeze, I'm betting that I've studied the electoral map much more carefully than you have, given my frequent visits to hominidviews and fivethirtyeight.com

Other than that again I don't understand your perspective: half the time you speak as if you're with us and want to see Obama elected, and half the time you say "you Obama supporters" as if you're not with us.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:51:23 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

I am not an Obama supporter. Never have been. I don't think he has a real basis of policy and I don't like the way he plays the victim all the time. That said, he is a damn site better than McCain, so of course I will vote for him. That, and the prospect of 2-3 Supreme Court picks for the GOP should be enough to scare any Dem. I'm just afraid it won't be enough, and the way "you Obama supporters" are going about dissing everyone that does not sing Hail Obama, is not a winning strategy.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:23:19 PM EST
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. (none / 0)

You are a Democrat and, while the candidate you preferred is not the nominee, you will vote for the one who is and that you are spending more time telling people why the Dems must win this year than why Obama is a flawed candidate (in your opinion).

I understand that it appears to you that Obama supporters are singing 'Hail Obama' but has it occurred to you that to Obama supporters, Clinton supporters are the ones who behave like a cult?  The truth is, we all think we are the ones who 'get it' and the rest are deluded.  The truth is also that both candidates were excellent as shown by the amount of support each had.  One had to win, one had to lose.  I'm happy that mine won but sorry that yours lost.  Either way it had gone, 1/2 the primary voters would be disgruntled and believe me, if Clinton had won Obama supporters would have a long list of how unfair the election was and why we are doomed in November.  We too would be wrong to focus on that...we must move forward and work to get the party's nominee elected.

There are many instances in life when we have to fake enthusiasm for something or someone...for you this may be one of those times.    


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:54:51 AM EST
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Re: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. (none / 0)

I've never been any good at faking enthusiasm.

I will continue to call them as I see them.

Obama is better than McCain.  

That's what you want to hear. It is true.

He has a very difficult challenge ahead. That is also truth. Stop worrying about my "loyalty" and go win the election.


by MediaFreeze on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:48:03 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

"Obama is not a shoe in. Since drumming Clinton out of the race Obama supporters have been celebrating and crowing like they just won the election. You did not."

Don't you mean WE did not? Or are you not a democrat?


by HRC 2009 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:30:14 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

Do you want me to sign a loyalty oath?

Show me the clause that says I don't get to point out that we have a tough electoral challenge ahead...


by MediaFreeze on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 11:50:38 PM EST
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Uh... (2.00 / 6)

I think the map is much uglier for
John McCain:

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Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:53:20 PM EST
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Re: Uh... (none / 0)

Sweet drew...I needed some good news...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:35:48 PM EST
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Re: So good (none / 0)

to see your name.  I wondered where you've been.  Please write up a diary soon --


by moevaughn on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:27:56 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Seriously! First we hear how Obama is going to do better & is better liked/received especially b/c people on a personal level are feeling how screwed up things are. And yet last election cycle, when things were screwed up but there was a LESS controversial candidate with more experience, we were up 15 points. Aren't polls + or - 5 points anyway? Which means we have a virtual tie, when life circumstances are MORE favorable.  And to top it off Karl Rove is now in the picture & he is an (evil) marketing genius - he could get people to vote against their own best interest & have them thanking him for the privilege of doing so.


by jrsygrl on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:23:21 PM EST
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Bush was never down by 15 (2.00 / 1)

in Gallup, I don't even think Bush was ever down.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:08:14 PM EST
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Re: Bush was never down by 15 (none / 0)

Bush may have been down by 4 or 5 right between the Dem convention and the RNC/Swift Boat double-whammy.

And Electoral-vote's map had Kerry peaking around 327 EVs.

It amazes me how many people buy into the "Dem candidate was up by a lot but the polls were biased in his favor" stuff because it's happened, like, 6 times ever. (Dukakis,* Cleland, Wilder, Bradley, Mondale, Carter.)  And most of those involved October surprises or Bradley effects which were vastly more pronounced than they would be today, and inaccurate polling.

* I was 5 years old then, but was the 17-point lead actually a consistent trend or an outlying poll?  I have a VERY hard time believing the former.


by BlueEngineerInOhio on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:03:52 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

Show me a reputable poll where Bush was down 15... it NEVER happened.  Whomever is saying that doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.   Bowers did a detailed study and Bush never lead Kerry nor Kerry bush in averages by more than 5%.  


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:19:15 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

See above...methinks people are buying into the right's spin of "polls are biased in favor of liberals."


by BlueEngineerInOhio on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:04:34 PM EST
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Still bitter? (2.00 / 2)

Hope you will calm down at some point.


by Fairy Tale on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:38:48 PM EST

Re: Still bitter? (1.42 / 7)

Very nice. Keep up the name calling. I'm sure that will help.

"Bitter" is actually a very interesting term considering Obama's use of it while cozying up to the SF Gettys.

I think you all had better change your approach, before you drown in your own triumphalism.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:50:43 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 2)

Ouch... a "0"

That's certainly going to win me over...


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:52:51 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 2)

It's a sarcastic attack diary.  The diarist clearly is not interested in being civil.


by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:53:00 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 3)

And there have been hundreds of sarcastic attack diaries, nay thousands... on all sides.

I think that the point of the diary is to illustrate that it is not a forgone conclusion that Obama will win.

What many of us have been saying for a long time is that Obama has a very difficult electoral challenge. There are wide swatches of the country that are not part of his coalition of college educated progressives and African Americans. Big chunks of voters in swing states that will be very hard to win over. The electoral map is daunting. And the media is starting to pivot to their corporatist candidate. This is going to be very tough.

The taunting and ridicule of these demographics by Obama supports continues unabated. It is like you all are still fighting the primary, even though your candidate has moved on.

What good are you doing rubbing these swing voters noses in the dirt at this point in the campaign? It defies logic.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:01:32 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 3)

What good are they doing posting concern troll diaries like this?  A troll is a troll, I don't care whose side he's one.


by mydoubled on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:07:13 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 1)

You see, your response was about 1,000 times more thoughtful than this diary.  If the diary was anything more than a few sarcastic sentences, I'm sure the response would be much better.  And, please don't call it taunting and ridicule when the diarist him/herself is the one instigating it.  You've got it all backwards.


by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:08:33 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 1)

Mediafreeze, catfish isn't a "swing voter". He's clearly proclaimed that voting Obama isn't an option for him.

And at this "diary" he's merely cheering at the prospect of a McCain victory.

If in his next diary he merely writes "Obama's gonna lo-ose, Obama's gonna lose, nyahnyahnyahnyahyah!" would you still want us to not ridicule him in return?


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:09:01 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (none / 0)

I always thought "Catfish" was a she!

3+ you say.....wow! he's doing good...he had a good week1


by GendraX on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:35:45 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (none / 0)

''It is like you all are still fighting the primary, even though your candidate has moved on.''

I don't know how you can have written that with a straight face while critizing Obama supporters. Look, he has challenges, nobody denies that but the pessimism is getting old real fast.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:25:08 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 1)

Catfish wouldn't know what "cvility" was if it came in the form of his or her dream celebrity, nude and ready to give in to their every carnal whim.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:51:32 PM EST
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Name calling? (none / 0)

You can read, right? (Is that name calling too?)


by Fairy Tale on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:57:41 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 2)

I'm not sure I get your comment. I think Catfish is coming around to Obama, albeit slowly. I don't really see any negative connotation behind this diary, unless you think it's being sarcastic.

Catfish, am I right?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:53:16 PM EST
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Re: Still bitter? (2.00 / 3)

then again, reading his comment downthread, perhaps I am hopelessly naive.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:54:04 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:39:01 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 2)

If you have nothing constructive to say, why say anything at all?  Sour Grapes '08.


by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:39:12 PM EST

He's not your candidate? Why not? (none / 0)


by bobdoleisevil on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:40:10 PM EST

Re: He's not your candidate? Why not? (2.00 / 1)

But he is my candidate!

.. oh wait, you weren't talking to me were you?

dammit!


by Why Not on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:52:37 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

So Cat...you are finally admitting you are NOT a member of the Democratic Party?
He is OUR Candidate..and who is yours?
McWars?
Barr?
Nader?
(Note: Bevis and Butthead are deceased..but hey you can write them in)
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:41:17 PM EST

Loyalty oaths not required for Dem Party (1.00 / 0)

Keeping an open mind, remain undecided. Maybe Nader, maybe McKinney.


by catfish2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:42:58 PM EST
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Not required. But we need a Democratic (2.00 / 1)

president. Look what's happened to this country in the last 8 years without one.


by bobdoleisevil on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:44:59 PM EST
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Re: Loyalty oaths not required for Dem Party (2.00 / 3)

How far ahead of McCain are Nader and McKinney in the Gallup poll?

And if you mock Obama for a +3%, why don't you mock yourself for a -45% or whatever their number is?


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:50:47 PM EST
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Re: Loyalty oaths not required for Dem Party (none / 0)

You're funny.


by Skaje on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:23:46 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 3)

Pure pwnage.  Eagerly awaiting the hilarious self-parody of catfish3.


by username on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:49:45 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 6)

 Saw an interesting article about a Serial Armpit Sniffer. I bring this up so that your time reading this diary is not completely wasted.


by xdem on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:52:37 PM EST

You're so awesome, catfish2! (2.00 / 1)

I'm so glad that you're rooting against the Democratic candidate.  Obviously, your support only has the effect of dooming a candidate.  Thankfully, that doomed candidate is John McCain.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:54:08 PM EST

It's a daily tracking poll (2.00 / 2)

Are people here insane?  Don't jump on someone because he or she has a disagreement with you as to the likelihood of victory in the fall.  Maybe you all need to follow Student Guy's lead and take a break from Mydd.

Let's see how the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls go this weekend for Obama.  If it's back up to six or seven in gallup, then these last two days will be just statistical noise.  My assumption is that it is just statistical noise but we'll have to wait and see.


by Blazers Edge on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:56:17 PM EST

Re: It's a daily tracking poll (none / 0)

Single day results from daily tracking polls before the convention, before significant GE campaigning has started, before the VPs have been chosen, 5 months out from the election day are relatively meaningless.

At this point in '92, wasn't Clinton competing with Perot for second place?

That said, this diary is obviously concern-trolling and should be responded to as such.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:01:48 PM EST
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Re: It's a daily tracking poll (2.00 / 3)

"Don't jump on someone because he or she has a disagreement with you as to the likelihood of victory in the fall."

Um, they jumped on catfish, because he's cheering at the prospect of a McCain victory. He's no different that if a self-proclaimed Republican had come here and posted some numbers that supposedly favoured McCain.

If he merely feared a McCain victory, he wouldn't be getting the same negative reaction.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:05:35 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

We tickle trolls here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVqyohKCP NA
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:57:30 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

You have 1 rec
Mediafreeze
you are kicking ass!

tickle...tickle...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4x-VW_rC SE


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:00:14 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

I'm having a very good Friday night (except for the sad death of Tim Russert) thanks very much. But the night of Tuesday November 4 will be awesome. I only hope you can get over your disappointment in Hillary's defeat by then so you can enjoy it with the rest of us.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:00:37 PM EST

Hillary would have been up by 20pts! (2.00 / 1)

We all know that it is delegates, pelosi and Dean that matter.I am sure Sen. Obama would win.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:05:47 PM EST

Re: Hillary would have been up by 20pts! (2.00 / 1)

. . . and the sky would open and the light would come down and there would choirs of angels and everyone would be getting their jetski around now.


by Can I Haz Moar Snark on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:09:34 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

I would appreciate if someone could actually a post a poll by reputable polling service that showed Kerry up on Bush by 15% during the last seven months of the 2004 election.

According to the NBC/WSJ general election polls Bush led through Kerry in polling throughout the last seven months before the election:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/06/12/1135634.aspx

March (Mar.6-8): Bush 46%, Kerry 43%, Nader 5%
May (May 1-3): Bush 46%, Kerry 42%, Nader 5%
June (June 25-28): Bush 45%, Kerry 44%, Nader 4%
July (July 19-21): Bush 47%, Kerry 45%, Nader 2%
August (Aug.23-25): Bush 47%, Kerry 45%, Nader 3%
September (Sept.17-19): Bush 48%, Kerry 45%, Nader 2%
Mid October (Oct.16-18): Bush 48%, Kerry 46%, Nader 2%
Late October (Oct.29-31): Bush 48%, Kerry 47%, Nader 1%


by Sarcastro on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:09:09 PM EST

This is a rather pathetic diary... (2.00 / 2)

You might want to update and put some meat on the bones.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:10:43 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Actually, I think I know the perfect way to respond to this diary - I'll just send some more money to Obama's campaign.


by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:14:13 PM EST

DNC is having cash problems (2.00 / 1)

Might want to divert it their way.

Continuing struggles to raise cash for the Democratic National Convention forced the suspension of a national media event scheduled for Thursday at the Pepsi Center, multiple sources said.

The Democratic National Convention Committee announced Friday morning that it had postponed the Spring Media Walkthrough, a meeting designed to give the hundreds of media organizations that will cover the convention important logistical information.

Because of the protracted Democratic nominating process, Denver's host committee responsible for raising $40.6 million in cash for the convention has fallen behind its schedule. The host committee and the DNCC have been looking for ways to cut costs. Those measures have delayed several logistical decisions, said the sources, who are familiar with the planning and negotiations.

The news sent a shudder through hundreds of media planning offices, as travel plans and plane tickets had to be scrapped in what appears to be the first such delay based on funding problems.

"It's inconvenient, but we'll figure it out," said Mike Riley, editor of Congressional Quarterly.


by catfish2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:41:07 PM EST
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Re: DNC is having cash problems (2.00 / 1)

It'll be fine. The Obama campaign has taken over effective control of the DNC remember.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:45:16 PM EST
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Re: DNC is having cash problems (2.00 / 1)

Done and done.


by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:40:12 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 2)

What's interesting is that he got NO post-declaration of victory bump vs. McCain.  He did get a post-Hillary concession bump, but that's subsiding now.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:15:10 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 2)

Seriously, why are you people even here? If you want to whine and pout and moan and piss all over the parade, go do it somewhere else.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:22:47 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

There's a parade?
I love parades.  I'm staying.
by Scotch on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:27:14 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Sorry to rain on your parade but get out of denial. These aint great numbers.


by ottovbvs on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:48:12 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 3)

1. I believe it's a one-day tracking poll.

  1. You seem to have conveniently forgotten yesterday's poll showing a lead outside the margin of error.
  2. "Get out of denial"? This apparently coming from someone who thinks that if they act bratty enough, Hillary Clinton will magically come back and win the nomination.

Get over it, pal. If you're rooting for bad poll numbers or an Obama loss, or take masochistic enjoyment in being a McClinton dead-ender with a shitty attitude, this really isn't the site for you.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:57:02 PM EST
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You are not raining... (2.00 / 1)

you are pissing and I am suspicious of your declaration of sorrow.


by tonedevil on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:21:14 PM EST
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Neither candidate ever had (none / 0)

great numbers against McCain, I pointed that out in January, no one cared.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:59:11 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

Oh, please. You can't determine that from one day of tracking. Good grief.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:29:20 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 2)

Actually it's an incredibly weak number. Up 3% is probably in the MOE which means they are statistically tied. The other polls have him about six points ahead. These are not incredible numbers given the political landscape and all the trumpeting that's going on here about what an awful candidate McCain is, and he is. In fact they are awful numbers given the political landscape. Now I'm willing to concede it's early days but if he's not in double figures in the next two or three weeks I'm going to start to think there's a problem.


by ottovbvs on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

And of course we ALL know that everyone spends their time worrying about the November general election in JUNE just like people who inhabit political blogs.

/snark


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:55:37 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

He could be up double digits for the next couple of months and still lose. He is leading where it matters in many battleground states. Hillary had huge national leads even as she was losing state after state. He is ahead who cares by how much. What matters is the result on election day. His organization is streets ahead of McCain. It beat Hillary and will beat McCain. Money. Environment.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:57:05 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 3)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Obama 304, McCain 221


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:49:01 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 1)

This is the important number.


United we stand, divided we fall.
by mefeck on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:58:01 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (2.00 / 4)

Put that away! Don't let actual numbers and confidence get in the way of the Obama hatin'.

In a way, it's kind of cool to stumble into a trollfest like this. It's like accidentally kicking a rock in the park and seeing that there was an anthill underneath. Scurry! Scurry, little Democrat-hating ants!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:59:43 PM EST
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Did someone say Trollfest? (none / 0)


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 09:52:09 PM EST
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Wow! (2.00 / 4)

your sockpuppet recommended this diary???  Kool.  You are up to two.


by gchaucer2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 08:55:02 PM EST

Hahahahahahahaha!!! (none / 0)

It's true what they say:  Laughter is the best medicine.


by izarradar on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:15:25 AM EST

Rasmussen is still Obama by 7 (none / 0)

When both polls show movement then you have a trend. When only one moves, you have noise.

Note that Gallup had no reading yesterday because of storms. Who knows what that did to the sample.


by elrod on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:34:20 AM EST

WOW, WHAT A BOUNCE!!!! YIPEEE.... (none / 0)


by suzieg on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:39:08 AM EST

Re: Gallup: Obama up by 3! Kicking A! (none / 0)

The Rasmussen tracking poll for Saturday is out: Obama still up by 7.

I'd like to know how much better the Clinton supporters think she'd be doing. Hillary never outperformed Obama by a serious margin vs. McCain, in fact Obama outperformed her right up to the point where the heat was turned on him and taken off her. If you're not taking hits from your primary opponent AND the Repub party, guess what, you can expect your numbers to go up.

I have no doubt that if Clinton had somehow managed to win we'd see the same thing, a 4-7 point Clinton advantage but not a blowout.


by animated on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:19:02 PM EST


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