Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More

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Two new Rasmussen Reports surveys out today show Barack Obama performing extremely well in Minnesota and Oregon with our senate hopefuls slightly behind, in need of some of that Obama down-ticket love.

In Minnesota, Obama is just crushing McCain, although notably has gotten no post-primary bounce in the state. They've been loving him for a while.



CandidateJuneMayApril
Obama525352
McCain393838

This is a far cry from 2004 when John Kerry beat George Bush by just 3 points.

As for the senate race, despite his recent troubles, Al Franken is hanging in there in his tight race against Norm Coleman.



CandidateJuneMayApril
Coleman484750
Franken454543

No post-DFL endorsement bounce for Franken but no post-controversy free-fall either. Glad to see Coleman below 50%. There is some danger here for Franken, though, in the form of Jesse Ventura who has threatened to get into the race (the deadline for doing so is July 15.) According to this poll, despite a 62% unfavorable rating, Jesse Ventura would still draw 24% of the vote, handing Coleman a 7 point victory. Franken showed that he has the rank and file of the DFL party behind him when he received their endorsement on the first ballot but there is clearly still some real anxiety about his candidacy. The good news is that there is no sign of any erosion of support in these poll numbers, so hopefully Franken can restore confidence in his candidacy and shake any intentions another Democrat or even Ventura might have toward jumping into the race. If Franken can unite the anti-Coleman forces behind him as the standard bearer, he just might be unstoppable.

In Oregon, things are looking good for Obama as well, but, oddly, if anything, he has seen a post-primary dip in support.



CandidateJuneMayApril
Obama465248
McCain383842

On some level, this 6 point drop makes sense, since last month's poll was taken in the midst of the primary campaign in Oregon. The good news is that McCain remains stuck at 38% and, as for the volatility of the numbers, there's actually more consistency than there appears.

McCain's support remains stalled at the same level this month as in May. In fact, he has stayed between the 38% and 42% level of support in four Oregon polls conducted this year. With the exception of last month's poll, Obama's support has stayed in the 46% to 49% range.

Also, it bears mentioning, that in 2004, John Kerry beat George Bush by a paltry 4%.

In the Oregon senate race, Democratic candidate Jeff Merkley is seeing a post-primary victory drop in support as well, contrary to other polls showing him shoring up support against Smith in the wake of his primary victory against Steve Novick.



CandidateJuneMayApril
Smith474547
Merkley384234

The good news is that Smith is still under 50% and Merkley has just barely begun to introduce himself to people in the general election. A full 20% of respondents didn't know enough about Merkley to have an opinion of him. There is still great room for growth for Merkley.

Looking at just the presidential numbers in these states, I think it's pretty clear what we're seeing here: what were swing states in 2004 are now solid blue in 2008. Which means we have a whole new batch of swing states:

The Obama campaign names a few more state directors today: Buffy Wicks in Missouri; Ray Rivera in Colorado; and Mitch Stewart in Virginia.



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by BishopRook on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:06:05 PM EST

Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (none / 0)

I know the Obama followers love these polls that Obama crushing everyone in his path, but I don't take them seriously this early in the General Election.

Kerry was looking pretty good against Bush at this time of the election in 2004.

This will change.  A lot.


by stefystef on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:25:02 PM EST

Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (2.00 / 0)

Obama is no Kerry.... Axelrod is no Shrum...  and McCain is no Bush 2004...  We are in a much better position than we were four years ago....


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:39:42 PM EST
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Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (2.00 / 0)

Are you a Democrat? If you are posting here I will presume that you are. Therefore you should be an 'Obama follower' too. And nobody is counting their chickens just yet. There is a long time to go until November yet but I'd rather be ahead than behind.


by conspiracy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:40:42 PM EST
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Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (none / 0)

Yeah, and look how well that turned out for the country. I'd like to think eventually people (for the most part) learn from their mistakes.


by Dog Chains on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:43:23 PM EST
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Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (none / 0)

This will change.  A lot.

For the better?


by hankg on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:14:57 PM EST
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Minnesota (none / 0)

Yeah, there's no need for a bounce for us.  We are already big time for Obama.  Turnout at our caucus was absolutely nuts.

As for Franken.  I'm actually not all that worried about Ventura.  Ventura is far more anti-establishment than he is anti-Franken.  Ventura will go for Coleman's fiscal conservative base; by the time Ventura's done eating Coleman alive, Franken will probably win.


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by Dracomicron on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:40:22 PM EST

Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (none / 0)

Look, I don't mean to rain on this parade, but all this snobbery toward John Kerry is revisionist.  Republicans maxed out their vote in 2004.  Kerry's campaign also found just about every person who was willing to vote Democratic- 6 million more than Al Gore.

The country has trended liberal/Democratic at a pretty constant rate of about 1% per year for about 15-20 years at least.  Basically on the change of generations, i.e. the net dying away of people who reached adulthood before the 1980s and increase in voters younger than that.  On sheer demographics, 8-10% of the voters participating in a Presidential election will not live to see or be in condition to participate in the next one.

In short, the electorate changes.  The fair standard to hold the Democratic nominee's performance this year is the Kerry percentage plus four.  


by killjoy on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:42:01 PM EST

Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (none / 0)

I'm from Minnesota and I've never really bought into the argument that it's a swing state in presidential elections. That seems to have come about recently, since Nader grabbed a lot of the vote in 2000, allowing Bush to come closer than he otherwise would have. Statewide races tend to be esoteric, to say the least, but in presidential elections, Minnesota has the longest blue streak of any of the 50 states. The last time it went for a Republican was 1972.


by MrExcitement on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 04:01:42 PM EST

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I agree. Obama wins Minnesota by over 10 pts. But surely you agree the nomination of Franken is a HUGE mistake by the DFL.  Despite some wishful thinking on this post, Al has no chance of winning. Had the DFL nominated Ceresi instead of Franken, he would be beating Coleman by 10pts+ now.
Franken is a drag on the entire ticket. This is going to cost us the 3rd District seat and a number of state legislative seats.  Too bad.
by mikeofminnesota on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 04:37:10 PM EST
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Re: Minnesota and Oregon: Swing States No More (none / 0)

That's funny.  I've never heard of a drag on the ticket being within 3 points of the incumbant.


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by auboy2006 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:11:49 PM EST
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Obama is up 15pts in Minnesota vs McCain now. Last week's Minneapolis Star Tribune poll has Coleman beating Franken by 10pts (Survey USA and Zogby confirm this 10pt spread).  This is a 25pt variance between Obama's performance and Franken's.
Understand now?
by mikeofminnesota on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:49:06 PM EST
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That's not a drag on the ticket, unless you mean Obama would be doing much better without Franken on the ballot.


"No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown
by auboy2006 on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 03:29:36 PM EST
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Oregon (2.00 / 1)

I live here in Oregon, and these numbers are encouraging. Smith can't seem to get over 50%, and that bodes poorly for him. He's  been running ads nonstop since the primary, and yet he's this low and has terribly high disapprovals (47%)? Ouch.

Jeff Merkley is in the process of re-introducing himself to our state. As a starter, he's going to conduct a 100-town tour throughout Oregon. He's going to bring his fight to everyone across the state, letting them know he'll be the one who can stand up for what's right on Iraq, marriage equality, the environment, and so many other issues.

Go Jeff!


by dupreeb on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 04:23:43 PM EST

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Merkley is an amazing progressive candidate that I hope the netroots really rally behind. He's still pretty unknown to the general public in Oregon and has plenty of room to increase his support. He'll need the help of the netroots to counter the pro-Smith local media in Oregon. Smith is no moderate and we need the help of the netroots to make sure Oregonians know who the real Gordon Smith is.


Netroots Director for Oregon Senate Candidate Jeff Merkley
by Sarah Lane on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 04:34:45 PM EST
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Merkley can give us a real Dem working majority (none / 0)

As I said in an earlier thread, one of the key races to improving the Democrats (and progressives) position in the United States Senate is the race here in Oregon. We had a wealth of riches in the primary with both Steve Novick and Jeff Merkley as being rock-solid progressives. Oregon Speaker of the House Jeff Merkley won the primary battle, and is exactly the sort of progressive we need in the Senate.

Here in the Oregon legislature last session, with a razor thin one seat majority, Jeff Merkley was able to get things done and lead the most productive session in decades, passing anti-predatory lending laws, giving equal rights under Oregon law to gay couples  as straight married couples, creating a rainy-day fund to stabilize school funding, strengthening conservation laws and regulations to protect the environment, the list goes on and on.

Jeff Merkley can take out Bush rubber-stamper Gordon Smith, who is polling under 50%. Speaker Merkley just launched a 100 town tour of the state to invest the sweat equity in smaller rural communities, but one of the biggest hurdles will be visibility through television ads and the need for netroots support.

The thing that will make this a viable key pick-up opportunity of a GOP held Senate seat will money because we have the right kind of Democratic nominee, we just need to get him elected. Bush rubber-stamper Gordon Smith has a sizable war-chest (some $10 million) and Jeff Merkley needs the help of the grassroots/netroots to be competitive.

So everyone here who gripes about not having a solid majority in the Senate, or that we don't have progressive or strong enough Democrats in the Senate, it is time to put your money where your mouth is. So if you want to replace Bush/McCain lackey Gordon Smith with a true progressive Democrat then donate now. For the cost of a night out at the movies on a weekly basis, we together can get Jeff Merkley the resources to win this seat. We have a great candidate, a weak and very vulnerable GOP incumbent to run against, and a 'change election' environment, but it is up to us to make change happen because it won't happen without us doing our part, and will happen if we donate.

That is why you, me, and everyone here needs to step up to the plate and help elect Jeff Merkley win his race here in Oregon. Unseating Gordon Smith, who votes with Bush/McCain 90%+ of the time is reason enough, but beyond that, Jeff Merkley is a rock-solid progressive and is a Democrat in ACTION not just in name. His leadership here in Oregon with FuturePac flipped our state leg. and got it back in Democratic control, and then lead the one of the most productive and progressive sessions in decades, all with a razor thin majority.

Jeff Merkley is exactly the strong Democrat (and progressive) we need in the U.S. Senate. That is why you, me, and everyone here needs to help out and support Jeff Merkley.


by lestatdelc on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 04:33:29 PM EST


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