That ended a long time ago for MyDD

by Jerome Armstrong, Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:47:42 AM EST

Markos makes a post that deserves clarification:

Today Daily Kos is announcing the birth of a new ActBlue fundraising page -- the Orange to Blue List. This marks the retirement of the joint Blue Majority ActBlue page, previously maintained by Swing State Project, Open Left, MyDD, and Daily Kos.
Not so. I have no idea why Markos is pulling DailyKos out of the "Blue Majority" page, but MyDD dropped out of the "Blue Majority" ActBlue page in the Fall of 2007, nine months ago. The reason why MyDD dropped out of it was because of BlogPac's (which Blue Majority funded) decision to target Red State Democrats that hold seats where only a conservative Democrat can win.




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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.10 / 10)

no surprise that Markos is full of it. he seems to think he is special because he turned his site into a resume for a job, other then that he has nothing to reccomend him.


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:50:03 AM EST

Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 6)

I read it first over at DailyKos, and I actually understood it correctly. Without knowing the details, I understood that Blue Majority was started by those named websites, but that it has since dissolved as those websites chose their own path. His post marked the end of DailyKos' involvement.

Frankly, Markos had no obligation to state MyDD's specific history with Blue Majority. There was no malice here nor attempt to deceive.


by not Brit on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:54:16 AM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.33 / 6)

just establishes the pattern of basic dishonesty from Markos.


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:56:11 AM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.83 / 6)

Sorry, but there's no dishonesty here. Read the entire post and it is precisely, technically correct.


by not Brit on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:06:22 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.50 / 2)

"technically correct" can describe a whole lotta fudging of facts and manipulations of implications.


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:40:39 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.50 / 4)

Don't you get tired of making no sense?


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by spacemanspiff on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:44:48 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.25 / 4)

Jessie jackson won SC, so why even if it is "technically corret" was it considered a bad thing to say? Same with LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act yet there was a lot of noise and bluster when that "technically correct" statement was made?

Do you ever get tired of being an jerk?


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:40:55 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 1)

I'm confused. You are drawing a comparison between Markos's comments about the ActBlue page and Bill Clinton's comments about Jesse Jackson winning SC.

Are you saying that both sets of comments were appropriate or that both were inappropriate?


by Brannon on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 05:39:29 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.50 / 2)

I am saying spiff is a jerk in response to his normal nonsense and insulting behavior.


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 07:59:38 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (none / 0)

You need to reread what Markos wrote. He's stating that DailyKos is establishing a new ActBlue page, and retiring the old one, which had once been jointly maintained by.... yadda yadda yadda....

None of which is untrue. YOU are the one being dishonest.  Put away your hate, dude.


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by Tommy Flanagan on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:00:34 AM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 1)

I read it too, and I agree with your comment.


by Spanky on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:24:32 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 0)

Nothing other than being the most read blog in the world.


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by X Stryker on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:46:39 AM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 1)

uh, no it is not, the best raning I have seen shows it at # 12, way behind huffpo, 15 and 28 in other rankings;

http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/popular- blogs

or

http://technorati.com/pop/blogs/

in any case, troll dolls were wildly popular once too, does that mean they should rule the world? Your post was basically meaningless in that even if you had been accurate (which you were not) readership does not mean what is posted is true or not, just that people spend time reading it. Do you consider FAUX Un-News accurate because they have big ass ratings? good lord i sure hope not!


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:54:54 AM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 1)

I think it's fair to say that it's the most popular political blog. Huff Post is more of a news portal a la Drudge than a participatory blog site.


by animated on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:07:46 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 1)

well, if x stryker had said that he/she might have had a point. But that was not what was said, and in fact hatkos gets fewer hits then a brittanyspears site does, so does that make HER "special" and important? nope, not in my view anyway. The real point in x's post was that because a lot of people read there it MUST be a site for truth justice and Amuakin Way, and that just does not hold water as an argument.


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:38:00 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 2)

Well, I think what many of us feel is the hard feelings toward Kos are counterproductive.  This entry seemed to push that theme, yet again.

Further, a number of us are still waiting for some acknowledgement from a certain someone here that he was a bit "over the top" in his support of a certain somebody.  I think looking for an apology is a bit much to ask so I won't bother.  Letting Obama supporters out of the penalty box (lost Rec/Rate) was a nice first step.  Some kind of statement would be the next step in restoring credibility, IMO.  


Let's elect a Dem President!
by SpanishFly on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:17:29 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (none / 0)

he supported Clinton for reasons he thought were fair. He might not think he was over the top nor should he ever have to apologize for his tactics.  

for many of us, there are other reasons to read myDD and they may not lay in it's proprietor.


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by alex100 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:29:08 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.50 / 2)

seeing that Markos did not have an amensty (I did not get my ratings ability back there) himself, trying to hold that hate site up as a standard is the couter-productive action here. Now I DID get them back here at MyDD, but not Hatekos so I am not sure why you are trying to make that case?


by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:34:25 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (none / 0)

He did have an amnesty grant post. One that he started himself, back in April.

Here on MyDD, a thoughtful poster made an amnesty request diary, and the admins reponded by granting it.

However, Markos did it first and he didn't need diarists to prompt him to it.


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by X Stryker on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:39:54 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (none / 0)

yes, and? picking and choosing who to "bless" with rec/rate is not amnesty, it is a petty tyrant with an agenda. and that describes Markos, sorry if your one of his fans but he is not all that nice a person.


by trytobereal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:52:53 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.50 / 2)

You get the ability to rec/rate by default. You lose it by being a troll. You get it back by blaming your trollish behavior on the Silly Season. Elsewise you register a new screenname.


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by X Stryker on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 03:11:57 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (none / 0)

thanks for showing that you do not know the facts. Markos PERSOANLY took away the rec/rate ability for about 90% of the folks who did not worship BHO (he had switced to him from Edwards not long beofre so was looking to score points or something) he even wrote a diary about how it was "for our own good". But hey, thanks for the lie and the laugh at your ignorance :)


by trytobereal on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:05:36 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (1.33 / 3)

I'm sure you do alot more for the progressive movement than Markos. More to life than the primaries you know. The fact that you are easily one of the biggest trolls around here ( take a stroll through your ratings history) does not help your pathetic case.

Haterade is bad for the soul zero.


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by spacemanspiff on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:42:41 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (2.00 / 0)

Enough of this already.  If you thought there was a misstatement, why not just ping Markos and ask him to correct?  I really don't understand the hard feelings here at all.


by RickM on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 02:38:42 PM EST
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Re: Blogger Tweed (none / 0)

because Markos is a liar and an ass? you have no clue how many times zsg may have written him.


by trytobereal on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:07:51 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 4)

...your upset because you think "previously maintained by Swing State Project, Open Left, MyDD, and Daily Kos" doesn't adequately make clear that you left nine months ago?

What is MyDD doing to raise money for candidates nowadays, anyway?


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:58:58 AM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 1)

I always wondered why MYdd was not part of Blue Majority.

I do think as long as the same money is being raised these splits are not so bad.

I love actblue, and I love Blue Majority.

Thank you Actblue for helping Donna Edwards win the nomination and a sure win in the special election this Tuesday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/06/11/AR2008061103362. html


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:09:20 AM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (none / 0)

It just needed clarification.

Have you missed the fundraising we did around Edwards & Fallon?

But yea, there is something in the works.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 1)

I guess it just seems weird that this clarification warranted it's own FP. Then again, at this point I'm spilling more ink over it than you spilt over the clarification, so I'll drop it.

Let's get this "something in the works" on the front page! We've got less than five months to go and dozens of candidates to fund! :-)


The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:57:45 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 5)

Jerome.  Saying it just needed clarification is incomplete.  Many things are a little inaccurate, or could be read more than one way.  We pick and choose which one's we respond to.  Markos post, while possibly misleading, was essentially benign, no?  You chose to clarify because you are annoyed with Markos. Anything he says that touches on you or MyDD is going to get high scrutiny.  

I don't know what has transpired between you two, so I am not in position to say whether your pique is legit or not.  But since the vast Right Wing Conspiracy loves to see the progressive community feuding, I for one, hope you guys bury the hatchet soon.


by RickM on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 02:44:26 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 5)

Regardless of any perceived animosity, I think we can all agree that this is amazing progress:

It's a sign of maturation that we can do this. Even just two years ago, splitting up would've seriously hampered or killed our fundraising efforts. Today, splitting up ultimately means more candidates will get support... while better allowing us to meet the needs of our own communities.


by not Brit on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:01:33 AM EST

Markos (2.00 / 0)

paints with a wide brush.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:04:39 AM EST

I don't see the value in parsing words (2.00 / 2)

Don't we need more solidarity now that the primaries are over?


by animated on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:10:09 AM EST

Misreading = Sour Grapes (1.50 / 4)

What about winning in the GE?  Isn't it time to start talking about putting a Democrat in the White House, and building a filibuster-proof congress?

Time to move on.


by spunkmeyer on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:18:40 AM EST

Jerome, Markos DOES state the reason in his (2.00 / 4)

post. He's pulling out to create more and BETTER Democrats, not just those with a (d) after their names and enact policies like the Blue Dogs in Congress.


by slinkerwink on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:20:42 AM EST

Re: Jerome, Markos DOES state the reason in his (2.00 / 1)

He's pulling out to create more and BETTER Democrats
That's a matter of opinion.


by soyousay on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:44:30 AM EST
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Re: Jerome, Markos DOES state the reason in his (2.00 / 2)

some people would say Al Wynn is better then Donna Edwards.

my opinion is that Edwards is a substantially better Democrat.


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by alex100 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:23:40 PM EST
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He also included "DailyKos" (2.00 / 3)

If he'd just pulled out, DailyKos wasn't with that group anymore, either.

"Previously maintained" means that MyDD was part of it in the past.  Doesn't say anything about now.

Not sure what the point of quibbling over that is; semantically it's correct.


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by Dracomicron on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:22:30 AM EST

maybe the point is (none / 0)

to tell readers of this site that Jerome made that decision a while ago?


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:35:51 AM EST
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Re: maybe the point is (none / 0)

maybe, but do you care?

and if you're Jerome why not talk about what your goals are (not why you dropped out)?


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by alex100 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:58:28 AM EST
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and more importantly what your new list IS! (none / 0)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:06:12 PM EST
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exactly (none / 0)


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by alex100 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:09:30 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (none / 0)

The primaries are over, Jerome; you can stop being deliberately obtuse now.


by Barrett Brown on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:28:15 AM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 0)

Now I see.  Markos' post gives the impression that it is the withdrawal of Daily Kos that "marks the retirement of the joint Blue Majority ActBlue page[.]"  Jerome is correct (if a bit arch) in pointing out that, in fact, MyDD pulled out last year, and that therefore the withdrawal of MyDD actually retired the "joint" page as previously maintained.

Jerome perceives that Markos' post slighted MyDD's prior withdrawal from Blue Majority, since in Markos' view, only the withdrawal of Daily Kos "marks the retirement" of the joint page.  This is, in my view, waaaaaaaaay too prickly, but Jerome has a point.  If only a small one.


by NCProsecutor on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:32:51 AM EST

I'm fairly sure that... (none / 0)

...DailyKos was the only one left maintaining that page.  So if the last one leaves, it becomes truly and officially dead.


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by BishopRook on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:18:33 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 2)

These things tend to happen when the protege becomes more famous than the mentor.


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by RockvilleLiberal2 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:33:00 AM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 3)

jerome, have you anything of importance to write about anymore? We don't care about your tiffs with Markos and DailyKos or how much of a trendsetter you were that you left 9 months ago.

It almost seems that you're sour he explained the other 3 blogs as to what their goals were and left the purpose of your site unexplained.


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by alex100 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:33:19 AM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 3)

I don't get the point of this post.


by Bobby Obama on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:40:37 AM EST

Targetted Red State Democrat (2.00 / 1)

I assume Jerome is referring to this as the reason for leaving Blue Majority.

BlogPAC is part of Blue Majority, and thus includes Chris Bowers' push against "Bush Dogs" like Jim Marshall.

I'm not stating any opinion on this, just being informative.


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by X Stryker on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:44:07 AM EST

Re: Targetted Red State Democrat (none / 0)

but the question remains, do you care?


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by alex100 on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:02:50 PM EST
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Re: Targetted Red State Democrat (none / 0)

Generally my feelings on the subject are more in line with Markos than either Jerome or Bowers. Or actually, more in line with DavidNYC from SSP than anything else.


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by X Stryker on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 04:06:08 PM EST
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Don't y'all talk? (2.00 / 2)

it seems a bit of professional courtesy is in order, or curiosity at least. Get in touch, like good reporters you'll get the whole story to blog.
Besides coordination will help beat McCain.
by cacamp on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 11:51:45 AM EST

Re: Don't y'all talk? (none / 0)

Yea, we do.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:04:30 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (1.00 / 1)

Jermoe was just making a clarification. Other than trolly up there who slams Markos for kicks everytime she can, I think Jerome is just pointing something out. No reason to get all worked up about it.

Either way both Jerome and Markos do alot more than some critics around here give them credit for (not that they care).


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by spacemanspiff on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 12:37:18 PM EST

Don't target target Republidems (2.00 / 0)

in their primaries?

Remind me just what gate we're supposed to be crashing?


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:34:55 PM EST

The sequel? (none / 0)

Manning The Ramparts


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:41:29 PM EST
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Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 0)

Correct me if I'm wrong, and despite the tensions that have existed between DailyKos and MyDD during the primary season and the differences of opinion between Markos Moulitsas and Jerome Armstrong over their preferred candidates, the two men are, were, and remain close friends and generally in alliance in their vision for a progressive America. I think most of the nasty bickering between the two camps has happened principally among the disciples, and not so much with the leaders.
by Obamaphile on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:38:30 PM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (none / 0)

Why this petty picl this pick that...
I have a list of maybe 50 blogs I might drop in and visit one a weekly basis...kos is one.
many of a unique perspective of the same issue..
some give me something new..

in no political order..

http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://www.buzzflash.com/
http://www.dailykos.com/
http://www.americablog.com/
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:45:39 PM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (none / 0)

a  few more
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
http://www.eschatonblog.com/
http://firedoglake.com/
http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 01:49:24 PM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (none / 0)

a few more
http://politicalwire.com/
http://www.bradblog.com/
http://pandagon.net/
http://www.mahablog.com/
http://www.newshounds.us/
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
http://www.michaelmoore.com/index.php
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/
http://www.tnr.com/
http://www.oliverwillis.com/
http://www.appvoices.org/index.php?/fron tporch
http://www.eenrblog.com/
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/

etc....etc...etc..
I guess what I am saying is
dabble in the stream..
find the different currents..
refresh yourself


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 02:01:25 PM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (none / 0)

When in doubt...
hitch a ride on the Mothership..
..and bring yer towel..

Life under McWars
"Trillian: You idiot! You signed the order to destroy Earth!
Zaphod: I did?
Arthur: He did?
Trillian: Love and kisses Zaphod? You didn't even read it, did you?
Zaphod: Well, I'm president, I don't have a lot of time for reading.
Trillian: My whole planet destroyed because you thought someone wanted your autograph! "

Swing low..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_ifm_Vg5 uY


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 02:08:10 PM EST

Re: That ended a long time ago for MyDD (2.00 / 1)

Frankly, I agree with Blogpac. We don't need more Blue Dog Dems undermining the progressive agenda by aligning with the repukes every time. Better to have a smaller majority of Progressives, that have the Dem leadership tailor all the bills to please the Blue Dogs.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
by Stoic on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 02:20:29 PM EST


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