Well, Can you define progressive, McCain is not a progressive candidate, he is far from it but the problem is that Obama is the same also.

We have a democrat that say he would faith as one of his priorities, is planning not to get near UHC, his enviromental policies sucks and they are even worth than of the McCains, His energy policy is stupid and he don't want to touch the mortgage crisis. Tell me please what was being progressive was all about.

Abd I don't see much of a reason to join up with people who predominantly voted anit-Clinton.

Fine if your FOR something, but looking around, it looks more like you were against something and that something was me.

"you can't call yourself a Democrat if you refuse to support Democrats and you can't call yourself a progressive if you won't support progressive candidates."

We sure as hell will call ourselves Democrats and Progressives, because we are. We don't want anti progressive Obama "bipartisan" cave ins to the right wing free market approach, we don't want Chicago style voter fraud, vote theft, and voter intimidation thugs taking over our party. We will fight this anti-democratic coup till you are defeated.

You don't get it:

I can live with another 4 years of John McCain in the White House, with what will likely be a veto proof Democratic Senate and majority in the House. I can be patient and wait another 4 years for a more progressive agenda to move forward. I cannot live with the takeover of my party by it's most corrupt, bought out wing. Then I lose all hope, there will be no "good guys" left to believe in. We will never give up.

I'm noticing some Obama people are having trouble separating the candidate's positions from the candidate's persona.

Saying you support a candidate's positions does not require you to imitate all, or any, of their actions.  

Hillary Clinton can do as she pleases, and so can any of her supporters. Some of her supporters disagree with her. So what? They're allowed.

perpetuating the 2 party system which are beyond corrupt! Neither party outshines the other!

I've taken a serious look at Nader and I will vote for him in protest and if he doesn't get on the ballot, because the 2 parties make it next to impossible to do by demanding 600,000 signatures from people who have not voted in the primaries. If this happens this year because of the record turnout, I will trade my vote to make an impact in a crucial state like I did in Florida in 2000, voting Nader in Texas in exchange for Gore in Florida. This time it will be the reverse!

We need more viable alternatives to stop the corruption in both parties!

They maybe did at one time. They don't anymore. Don't believe me? Why don't you ask her? The best the anti-Obama formerly pro-Hillary supporters can say is just that. They once were Hillary supporters, but they changed their mind when she went in a direction they didn't like.

You are calling out Obama as being corrupt and a danger to our country.  First  and foremost...which candidate defended special interest? which candidate was mostly funded by special interest? which candidate did not want to disclose their tax records and library records due to ties with Dubai and other connections that would come forth?  

There is nobody in their right mind that can say McCain is less dangerous than Barack Obama..well at least no Democrat.

I read about this PUMA stink bag of an organization and personally anyone associated with them can take a long trip off a short pier...if you align with this group, you are no Democrat and I and every other Democrat REJECT you and slot you in the likes of Joe Lieberman.

Wasn't that explicit enough from the comment to which you replied?

I support progressive politics. I believe Obama will do irreparable harm to progressive politics, whereas McCain will only be another horrible POTUS in another dreary interval of divided government.

I supported and do support Hillary. I have been a Democrat and will be a Democrat at least until the convention ... at which time I may have to follow Obama's directive and become "post-partisan".

I support Hillary. I don't take orders from her. (Maybe that's the way it works in Obamawannaland, but the idea is certainly foreign to progressive traditions.) And nobody here is entitled to give orders on her behalf, much less slander her followers by claiming they're not counterfeit.

bite me TR abuser

It's really a matter of expectations. We expect Rethugs to embrace wacko religious nuts and to be sexists pigs.

We're very unhappy to find wacko religious nuts and sexists pigs in the party that's supposed to be above all of that.

Like, it's much more disturbing if a priest is caught shoplifting than if a teenager is.  The crime's the same, but the outrage will be much worse from the person we expected much better from.

So you got behind the candidate that voted FOR THE AUMF? and you are mad because she didn't win?

Give me a break.

The number of simpletons who have no grasp of reality in this race is amazing.

It's like a glimps into Bizarro world.

The woman who is attempting to capitalize on her husbands career is the feminist icon. The woman who's father owned a factory and served on the baord of Walmart is the one who understands the needs of the working class?
The black guy who just recently paid off his college loans who grew up with a single mother and an absenty father is hte elitist?

Every one of Clinton's supporters on the rules commity including one of the senion members of her campaign staff voted to strip FL and MI of their delegates before anyone thought Obama had a serious chance of winning with the only desenting vote coming from an Obama supporter yet Obama was the one who disenfranchised Fl and MI?

When Clinton was talking about the activist base being against her because of foriegn policy differences (read Iraq) she didn't claim that there was a misunderstanding of her position she recognized that there was a real fundamental difference. Her stance was not that the activist base misunderstood her position it was an admision that they differed from her.

The people who supported Clinton because they thought she was more centrist I get. The people who supported her because they don't think a black guy can win I get (don't agree with them) Even the people who cast their vote just because they wanted to see a woman in the office I get and can understand.

But anyone who is opposing Obama because he's not as progressive is in fecking lala land.

Oh my god, I think I am going to be sick.

Riverdaughter might have been the most god awfull thing I ever read in my life.

ADleft, I dont know how you stomached it.

Here is what some degenerate said to YOU:

Atdleft: McCain's name is not "McBush." I guess you are OK with Osama Obama too.

Really,  this site is in LOVE with McCain.

I wish you hadn't put that link up.
It can't be a real site...

I've made a few comments there that got zapped instantly

You say that no right wing memes will be used to attack Obama and yet are citing Fox News Channel and a republican strategist.  This is the same Fox News that told us that WMD were found in Iraq...  Are they really trustworthy

BTW I read every now and again and you do make some valid points

That was one of them that got zapped.  I still have a few up in the same vein that haven't been purged yet.

my guess is these are pug trolls, trying to keep Hillary Hate alive, to keep her supporters pissed off so some of us might vote for McCain. Or it's ugly sexism that no longer has an outlet.  yesterday someone tried to smear Cindy McCain, and I pointed out that sexism is sexism, and we sure don't want to be called hyprocrites for not liking it when it happens to Michelle.  This is the unity phase, it's time to talk about Barack's positives and go after pugs, not fellow Democrats, which would be both counter productive, and would serve in the end to tarnish Barack. hillary was able to ask her supporters to switch to Barack and many have, others may take a tad longer, if they're left in peace anyway. but Barack looks like he hasn't been able to stop the Hillary Hate, even though he's begged his supporters to lay off, to show he's won by acting like Hilary has lost (which she has) and not like she's so good she might be able to grab it from him if his supporters let up from the hate.  Really, repeat after me, he's won, it's time to blog about him and not against girls.  

no, donnie is solid for obama. he's gonna get one of those faith-based grants to set up a treatment center to cure people of teh gay ;-)

with whom we formerly fought in the trenches take more offense at we Clintonistas who have accepted what they can't than they do with the tried and true Obama people.  It grieves me, because though I know a lot of cranks are part of this anti-Obama nonsense, I know the people who are in this thread with whom we have shared this long (and now painful) history are not cranks.

Actually, I see those type car accidents all the time, look at my name and you'll see 'ems'.

I don't shock easily, but I also have the common sense not to go into a redneck bar wearing a pink tutu. If the site makes you ill, don't go there. I've never once gone to any of the sites that folks continually hoist up here as so indicative of 'Hillary supporters'.  There's no need to, and I'm a Hillary supporter!

It's early, and as some have pointed out, at least one of the sites listed is not 'for McCain', but doesn't police their commenters speech as some other sites do.  

Give folks time to deal with the situation.

No, it's not the other way around.  And, almost no one there supports McCain, certainly not Riverdaughter.  

I was not as deep in denial as some folks were because I felt this would be the outcome for a while now. Once they were able to frame the Clintons as rascist or her supporters as bigots, there was nothing left but for Mamma Cass to sing.
That 'acceptance' didn't dampen my dismay nor my resolve to continue my support for Hillary in other ways.  Back before some of us left another site, I went on record early on in a Peter Daou diary begging for Hillary to put forth an edict that no one in her campaign, be it Bill, staffers, volunteer or paid were allowed to make any comment whatsoever about Barack Obama, and that she never speak directly of him either.   She didn't listen, and look what happened.

I've said I will most likely vote for Obama in the fall, I've never stated any possibility of voting for McCain, I can't understand that leap of logic either.  My fear is that some of these folks will be so turned off that they sit home and we loose potential voters.  Some here say 'so what, good riddance'.  Sorry, with the exceptions of gaming by Katherine Harris and the DNC, every vote counts!

It's not a concern about Trinity or Wright because of their stance.  It's a concern with Obama about his choices and his decisions.  He distanced himself form Wright, then Trinity and now Johnsosn because of political expediency; in other words, he had more to loose by continuing those associations than he had to loose by distancing himself from them.

We see he did the political math with McClurkin, and came up with a different answer, more to gain by continued use of him than to loose by cutting ties.  That's why it sticks some of us directly in the political 'eye'.

Again with the "take them down". Dude, you are scary crazy.

I don't know, do I?

hmmm. I think I disagree. I think a lot of the outrage is fueled by the sexism in the media and the way the fix seemed to be in at the DNC. If he puts her on the ticket, it will evaporate. No question.

I think there would be a few holdouts, but it would bring over most of her supporters.  Seeing Hillary out on the campaign trail again would change a lot of voters.

I was referring to his strategy for turning red states blue. His strategy for winning the ge doesn't rely on places where Hill won big

Maybe he can. But maybe he can't. His chances are better with her there. Why take chances? Most Democrats favor the Obama/Clinton ticket. That translates to more support.

I'm never going to understand the Obama supporters who claim they are desperate to beat McCain ...unless Hillary is on the ticket, in which case they're abandoning ship.  I think that reveals them as anti-Clinton trolls, not real Democrats.

sorry, masslib, Riverdaughter is on the mailing he is talking about. It was mailed to me too. She seems to be part of this very long coalition of groups.

yeah , it is over the top and hyperbolic, but it really is getting frustrating because I don't think other supporters of various candidates in the past were benefitted with a grace period to mend feelings and "decide" between polar opposite presidential nominees, one of which having already been endorsed by said affected supporters' candidate.

I think after a period of time, people still on the fence should be considered suspect and should not be allowed to advocate positions on this website that undermine the goal/intent/desire of this website, of having Obama as president.

so yeah, f em, ;)

There would be a LOT less anger.  I'm in Michigan, so I know. Not that many people know the details of the DNC deal, but there's a general feeling that the voters got shafted.

Much of Michigan is just not pleased with Obama. (In the southwestern part where I leave, at least. Detroit may be his, and the Yoopers are usually conservative voters regardless.)

is not punishing the party!

It's punishing the poor.
It's punishing the troops.
It's punishing the LGBT community.
It's punishing immigrants.
It's punishing every child in America who can't afford to go to private school.
It's punishing the environment.

Let's find another way to punish the DNC.

Not this.  Please not this.

I have a feeling that a lot of them were just born to politics, yesterday.

They were.

And the DNC just handed them the future. Hillary wasn't kidding when she reiterated, "we will have to work hard..."

is that the Obama supporters from the primaries and the newly minted Obama supporters who supported Hillary in the primaries will be pretty patient well into July.  Somewhere in there, some strain will start to enter the Democratic blogosphere for people who haven't signed on with the Party.  Closer to the convention, my guess is that the dead ender remnant will cross an invisible line into trolldom.

wrong episode, same time frame

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/10 02/