Labels Keep Us Divided

The following is attributed to Mary Ritter. Used with permission, and short because it should be.

This comes from a discussion on MyBO, which was very civil but complicated.

It breaks down many ways and speaks to an issue close to my heart. "We are all Democrats here!" and other well-intentioned unity statements miss the overarching message Sen. Obama puts forth.

We are more than even that. I am an Indie - as are many of us - and quite a few are Republicans. If you try to parse and caveat to be inclusive it devolves into PC madness.

It's simple. We are Obama folks.

-chris

Hi folks,

Let's think about how OBAMA puts labels, we are not Obama supporters and Republican Obama supporters, and Hilliary Clinton supporters for Obama or Independents for Obama, this keeps us somehow divided.

NOW we are :

OBAMA SUPPORTERS, and he is the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party for POTUS.

I think we can go too far trying to parse things to be politically correct. We are joining together to support Barack Obama as the best candidate in the general election for the President of the USA.

KISS Keep It Simple Stupid.


Crossposted at DKOS.



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Tips for Wise Mary (2.00 / 2)

This comes from a discussion on MyBO, which was very civil but complicated.

It breaks down many ways and speaks to an issue close to my heart.  "We are all Democrats here!" and other well-intentioned unity statements miss the overarching message Sen. Obama puts forth.

We are more than even that.  I am an Indie - as are many of us - and quite a few are Republicans.  If you try to parse and caveat to be inclusive it devolves into PC madness.

It's simple.  We are Obama folks.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:15:55 PM EST

Correct--->Democratic nominee (none / 0)

We are joining together to support Barack Obama as the best candidate in the general election for the President of the USA.

Incorrect--->Not all Democrats have joined together to support Barrack Obama as the "best candidate in the general election for the Presidenet of the USA."

That's why you keep hearing the media say; "Barack Obama has some work to do."


by soyousay on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:26:14 PM EST

Re: Correct--->Democratic nominee (2.00 / 2)

Technically correct, but no nominee for any party ever got 100% of their party's vote (that I know of).

Amazingly close to the expected party-saturation already.  I have seen "90% is usually max" statements recently.  Don't know the numbers myself, but 95% would seem like too much to hope for.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:38:13 PM EST
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And (2.00 / 1)

These are Mary's words, so I won't be so bold as to edit someone else's quote.


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:39:43 PM EST
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Re: Correct--->Democratic nominee (2.00 / 1)

This was written from within the context of Obama's MyBO pages, so it was appropriate to say we are all Obama supporters in that context.

I was part of the history of the conversation.  Someone had posted a call to everyone as Democrats, and another person impressively politely reminded the group that Republicans were also supporting Obama.

A long discussion ensued.  As Obama supporters, how do we reference ourselves?  We can't call ourselves Democrats, because we have Independents and Republicans.  Also, some Democrats are not Obama supporters.

Likewise, how do we talk about Republicans?  Many support McCain, but some support Obama.  Likewise, Republican's did not include Democrats who support McCain.

We realized that we had to reference ourselves through our candidates.

So, the group in MyBO would be "Obama Supporters".  

It got complicated when we talked about "others".

Then, there were "Hillary Supporters", but that because complicated because they were breaking up into "Hillary supporters who support Obama" and "Hillary supporters who support McCain".  Then, there were "McCain supporters".  There are the "undecideds", "Nader supporters", "Barr supporters", ....  


by Kiku on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:17:56 PM EST
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It feels very strange (2.00 / 2)

to be considered an Obama supporter. Not that I'm saying it's bad -- just different and maybe a little awkward. Back when I was supporting Dean, I wasn't nearly as critical of Kerry as I have been of Obama. Actually, I stopped criticizing Obama (for the most part) back in April. But still, switching my support feels odd. I'm not as intimately familiar with the ins and outs of all of his plans as I was with Hillary's. I'll have to do some studying before I start making calls. Thankfully, I have plenty of time.


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by sricki on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:20:56 PM EST

I am proud to be a Obama supporter (2.00 / 2)

In August I will be moving out of Texas in order to help a friend of mine who mother has cancer and has been given less then a year to live. That was why when Texas held the primaries I volunteered. I worked from 7am to 10:30pm on election day.

I did poll working 7am to 5pm. I was one of the youngest poll workers up there. I noticed most people who did poll working were older. I am 27 so I considered myself very young of age there. While I did poll working I informed everyone about the caucus. It didn't matter who one was voting for my job there was to be fair and let them know.

From 6pm to 10:30pm I ran the caucus. It was a interesting experience because instead of just looking for one side I looked for help from each sides anyone who knew what to do. Our caucus ran fair, but it was scary afterwards when I look back because normally I get stage fright. That whole night I did not get scared one bit to be up in front of people. It was a good experience and a memory I take with me.

I maybe a Obama supporter, but I have friends from each side. A real close friend of mine is a Clinton supporter. On the day Clinton left the race she said to me I'm sure you are happy now and I told her no I'm not because I know you cared and I feel bad on that part. You see to me my friend matters above politics. She may have been on the other side, but we have been friends for a long time and I wasn't going to let politics get in the way of our friendship.

The friend that I am going to help who has a mother with cancer was a Clinton supporter as well. We talked about letting her kids go to both rally's in indiana just to see. I was encouraging her to get active because I remember how much fun I had here in Texas even though we were on different sides then. We can come together and be one again. I  believe unity is possible and I'll do my part to try to help in Unity.

I have a mother who is a Clinton supporter. I got yelled at on every bad thing in the book from here when Barack Obama kept winning. We got to the point that couldn't talk about politics in the house. She is starting to come around, but still isn't there so I even understand the grief that is there. I saw a lot of changes in her some that didn't like, but it was passion that we all had and that takes time. I think I can get her to vote within time.


by AHiddenSaint on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:38:25 PM EST

I'm a Democrat (2.00 / 2)

That doesn't work for those of us are just lifelong Democrats and consider ourselves our own people, not any particular candidate's "folks".


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:05:34 PM EST

Re: I'm a Democrat (none / 0)

That's fair.

Every label divides - which is not always bad, depending on the results. Personally I prefer "Yank" or "human".  "Obama folks" can be taken badly as well (which just proves the whole point in it's own way).

What was meant is that we all share a desire to change things out in our country.  The closest we can come to a definition of who we aren't are folks who want things to stay the way they are.

-best

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:17:51 PM EST
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Re: I'm a Democrat (none / 0)

Okay. In that case, I'm a "Liberal Democrat", or maybe just a "Liberal".

I understand what you're saying, and I understand that there are a lot of people who support Obama who don't call themselves Democrats, I'm just not one of them, so the label doesn't fit me.

But I would like to see more people embrace the labels "Liberal" and "Democrat". We let the right-wing and GOP demonize those terms for way too long. If we want to control the political dialog, we need to take back our terminology, and use it with pride.


by LakersFan on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:31:32 PM EST
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Agreed (2.00 / 1)

I would like to re-assume the Liberal label myself.  It has tarnished for me for a long time (due to my own reflection and the way it had been turned into a PC bludgeon), but the basic Liberal ideals of fairness, care and progress(iveness) have never left my makeup.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:48:45 PM EST
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how about Socialist? (none / 0)

but i agree that "liberal" and "progressive" are empty stupid divisive labels


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by engels on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:46:46 PM EST

Re: how about Socialist? (none / 0)

We are definitely not all socialists...

Ever live in an even mildly Socialist country?  I have, dinna like it.

East Germany was the most functional Socialist/Comunist country, and it was an utter failure.

But if you are for the change that is possible to make then, yes, you are one of us.  If you want to establish socialism (certainly if you want to establish it this year), then there is no doubt a Socialist party out there where you can be 20% of the vote all by yourself.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:26:30 PM EST
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Re: how about Socialist? (none / 0)

first of all you do not know what are you talking about.
Eastern Europe never had any socialism, it was state capitalism and dictatorship.
You have to consider France and Scandinavia first.
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by engels on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:38:42 PM EST
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Re: how about Socialist? (none / 0)

Whatever. Have you ever lived in France or Scandanavia?

At any rate, we are not going socialist in the US, ever.  But having someone who believes that is a viable path adds an interesting bit dash to the conversation.

If you could manage to add your piece to the conversation with less of a sneer to everything else, somebody might actually listen to you.

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:53:05 PM EST
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Re: how about Socialist? (none / 0)

don't whine in November than


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by engels on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:56:31 AM EST
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errr? (none / 0)

You mean the same November when we elect Barack Obama, or some mythical November when the Socialist States of America is announced?

Honestly, using more words to make your arguments would get you further in debates.

Just sayin`

-chris


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by chrisblask on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:58:20 AM EST
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Re: Labels Keep Us Divided (2.00 / 1)

I had posted this earlier on an open thread from yesterday and thought it was appropriate to the discussion here.

Yeah, it is really sad and this sort of bullshit will not win us the GE. I realized many years ago; while watching Inside Politics or Capital Gang (old CNN shows for you youngsters); and the liberal hosts/guests and conservative hosts/guests were screaming at each other for our benefit. They probably walked away from the camera's, laughing their asses off and slapping each other on the back.

It's a fracking game and we are the butt of the joke. White people hate black people, black people hate white people, progressives hate conservatives, Obama supporters hate Hillary and on and on and on. Who is getting played here? It's all about keeping us hating each other on a horizontal level. Then we never look up and see who is really shitting all over us.


"And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:10:25 PM EST

Re: Labels Keep Us Divided (none / 0)

I don't agree. And I have never liked this part of his message. I think differences do matter.  I am a democrat because of the party platform and our differences with the repugs. My experience in life has been that when we are all the same-- somebody gets screwed. I am not saying this right. Ok. I will go at it this way. I believe in advocacy and in change based on advocacy. How can I advocate effectively if I am just like you? We are not all alike. Democracy works because we honor differences and make rules that accomodate those differences.


by linfar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:52:32 PM EST

Re: Labels Keep Us Divided (none / 0)

The comments below describe the origins of the diary above.  Perhaps it is more appropro in the MyBO context, and the long conversation that lead to this statement may be necessary to explain it to the correct level of detail.

I do not disagree that the granularity of the various sub-groups we can define ourselves into have value in themselves (political, religious etc) - and negating those was not the intent.  It was more to define a group that we all do belong to.  I myself am proud of my Upper Left Purple Independent matrix of political beliefs and am not negating those to be part of this larger group.

One of my comments (which I of course cannot see while I type this) sum it up something like "we are all members of the group who want to change the existing course of politics in this country" or words to that vague effect...

-chris


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by chrisblask on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:39:46 PM EST
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