The fate of Minnesota could hang on a golf game

Curiouser and curiouser.  Dean Barkley, who then-Governor Jesse Ventura appointed to fill Paul Wellstone's seat prior to the 2002 election, has challenged his old boss to a golf game tomorrow.

The stakes?  The loser has to run for Norm Coleman's Senate seat.

"Whoever wins the match does NOT run for Senate,'' said Barkley. "And believe me, I can beat Jesse."

Now, I'm more excited by the news of Ventura running than Barkley (sorry, Student Guy), but either one of them is good news for us.

As Independance Party libertarians, either Ventura or Barkley will take votes away from the Republican (who has been close with the administration on nearly everything until realizing that it's suicide this year... hence his "Independant Voice for Minnesota" TV ad schtick), and Ventura in particular is an infamous loudmouth with a dislike of corrupt or complacent authority figures, but...

Barkley has continued to live an unusual life. In 2006, for example, he was the campaign manager for singer/humorist Kinky Friedman in his bid to become Texas governor. One of Friedman's memorable slogans: "How Hard Could It Be?"

Gold right there.

Senator Ventura?

"He'd have a great time throwing bombs at that institution," said Barkley. "It's just what they need. He'd wake 'em up."

But Barkley believes Ventura will keep all of Minnesota waiting until the filing deadline, July 15.

"If he's going to run, he'll file at 4 p.m. on the last day," said Barkley. "Just think of it."

Think of this: Libertarians on the ticket will split the conservative vote, liberals will still vote for Franken, and there's a good chance that Coleman will end up third.

Of course there's the risk that Ventura could win, as he did in 1998 with 37% of the vote... but, quite frankly, that's a risk I'm willing to take.  If it means deposing an establishment Republican who has been a good soldier for Bush, then I'm okay with having a split Senatorial delegation of Amy Klobuchar, who is turning into a strong voice for our state, and Jesse Ventura, a reform-minded conservative unbound by party loyalty.

http://www.minnpost.com/douggrow/2008/06/10/2180/fore_could_a_ventura_senate_candidacy_hang_on_wednesdays_golf_game


Poll
Should Jesse 'The Mind' Ventura run for Senate?
Yes.
No.
Was Hulk Hogan not available?
Only if Carl Weathers runs for governor, completing the Predator trifecta.

Votes: 21
Results : Vote Link : Polls

Display:


No (2.00 / 2)

This is very bad, Jesse will take more liberal hippie votes away from Franken than he take conservatives away from  Coleman.

He is like Nader not Bob Barr.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:37:26 PM EST

I'm just not sure about that (none / 0)

He's a solid libertarian, man.  Liberals seem to just love Franken; I'm not sure Ventura will get many of his hippie votes.

I'll admit, I voted for Ventura in '98 because I didn't like Skip Humphrey and thought that Ventura's campaign was a brilliant strategic assault (oh god, his commercials had me in stitches).

Liberals know what he's about this time and probably won't vote for him, but he gives disaffected conservatives a place to go that isn't "I will reform the United Nations" Coleman.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:41:16 PM EST
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Re: I'm just not sure about that (none / 0)

Wow, I also lived through the Ventura era but I totally disagree with your characterization of him as a libertarian.  And if I remember correctly, he ended up hurting Skip worse than Coleman in that gubenatorial race based on exit polls.  


by HSTruman on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:43:07 PM EST
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Skip wasn't running that strongly (none / 0)

As I recall, Skip was a practical non-entity legacy candidate in that race.  Of course, I'm not all that impressed with anyone with a "III" after their name.


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by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:50:15 PM EST
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Hey Drac (2.00 / 1)

consider checking out any part of the MN blogosphere today.  It is begging for Steve Sarvi day.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:02:44 PM EST
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Now I can get behind that one (2.00 / 1)

Sarvi is just the guy to take out Kline.


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by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:09:57 PM EST
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I've gotten plugged for my diaires on Sarvi (2.00 / 1)

on two of the prominent sites on the MN blogosphere.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:10:57 PM EST
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I haven't really checked much (none / 0)

The only MN site I usually go to is MinnPost.


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by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:12:09 PM EST
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you should check (2.00 / 1)

MNpublius, they do a good job of covering MN politics (though they are lazy and don't post on the weekends).


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:14:02 PM EST
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The IP (2.00 / 2)

is not libertarian.  They are just left of center and thus peel away votes from the DFL.  

Please let Barkley run as he is an unknown here and won't affect the race.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:46:22 PM EST
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Re: The IP (2.00 / 1)

The only reason the Independance Party might be considered left of center is because the center has moved to the right.

Although, now that I look at their website, it looks like the IP is currently running this guy:

http://www.prairiefireusa.com/

I'm sure either of the guys in this article would beat him for the nomination, though.

Anyway, Jesse is pro-concealed carry, pro-Free Trade, anti-Drug War, decentralized government, pro-domestic partnerships but anti-gay marriage, won't make abortion illegal but won't fund it either, low taxes, anti-welfare, and non-interventionist foreign policy.  Sounds like libertarian to me.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:07:24 PM EST
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ventura may get wary moderates (none / 0)

who dont' want Coleman, but are wary of Franken's taxes and him in general. In a close race, we cannot afford votes to be taken from Franken. Disaffected conservatives are not going to vote. On social issues, Ventura is a liberal. If people are going to stray from conservatives on foriegn policy this year, they're going to the Democrat or abstaining. Ventura does not split any "conservative vote."


by Lakrosse on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:07:03 PM EST
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If Franken isn't a strong candidate... (none / 0)

...then I'm okay with him losing to Ventura (not Coleman).

Minnesota is quite a blue state overall, despite our stupid governor, and Coleman ain't all that popular.

A three way race would make Franken hustle, but I don't think it would take many votes from him if he legitimately earns his keep.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:16:03 PM EST
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This Would NOT Help (none / 0)

I think you're wrong in labeling the MN Independence Party as "libertarian" and in arguing that Ventura entering the race would help Franken.  The DFL in MN has traditionally gotten screwed when a strong candidate has run under the independence party banner because the party is socially liberal and fiscally "conservative."  Those candidates have picked off primarily Center-left voters that you have to get to win in MN.  Barkeley would not be as dangerous, if only because I doubt he would be able to raise much cash or attract free media the way Ventura could.  


by HSTruman on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:41:59 PM EST

Not a Minnesotan (none / 0)

but if I were, I think Ventura's walking out of Wellstone's memorial service and comments about the event would disqualify him from consideration for my vote.


by Mobar on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:43:23 PM EST

Emotions were running high then (none / 0)

There was a lot of blame to pass around over that event.


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by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:51:36 PM EST
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jesse (2.00 / 1)

I'll admit I've still got a soft spot for Jesse. He had absolutely no filter on his mouth, which was really fun, but also incredibly thin skinned, which was puzzling. Economically conservative and socially liberal is a pretty good description of me. I voted for him in '98 for gov, and thought he did an ok job as gov.  

I don't see him taking away more votes from Franken than Coleman. He is adored in the exurbs, especially Anoka County, which are Repub friendly territories.


by grover738 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:08:12 PM EST

Exactly my thoughts (2.00 / 1)

His fiscal conservatism always appealed to me despite the fact that I'm a bleeding heart liberal... that and the fact that he finally cut through the red tape to get us light rail.


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by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:11:21 PM EST
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Re: jesse (none / 0)

"incredibly thin skinned"

'incredibly' might even be an understatement.

Also, Jesse "The government tool WTC 5 down with explosives!" Ventura never met a conspiracy theory he didn't swallow hook, line and sinker.


by Collideascope on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:29:35 PM EST
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Re: jesse (none / 0)

The famous MPR interview where he took off his headset when he had a caller who was critical of him was just embarrassing.

But in office, I really think he made decisions with the best interests of Minnesotans in mind. I'd take him over Pawlenty any day, and I'd take him over Coleman any day in the Senate.

Let's face it - Franken has a problem with his writings. Writing for Playboy doesn't sell in Willmar. Honestly, if it looks like Ventura has a better shot at beating Coleman than Franken, I think a lot of Dems will vote for Ventura, including myself. Getting Mayor Quimby out is priority #1, and it is not going to be easy with Franken.

Here is my prediction - if Ventura is in the race, whoever cracks 38% of the vote wins.

If it's Ventura, there is no way he stays more than one term, then we can have Senator Walz!

Imagine this scenario - The Dems get to 59, with the R's at 40, and Jesse the lone independent. Who would suddenly become the most powerful Senator in the country? LOL! It would be an interesting two years, to say the least.


by grover738 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:07:08 PM EST
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I actually thought of that. (none / 0)

You forgot: Republicans would have 39 and then have Lieberman.  Dems have 59, and then Jesse.

It's not a bad result, all things considered... especially because Ventura is reform-minded.

He doesn't think much of Obama because he doesn't know much about him, or he thinks that membership in a major party necessarally warrants weakness or corruption.  I think they could actually have a good working relationship.  Their e-mails would be hilarious.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:15:03 AM EST
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Jesse Ventura is simply...... (none / 0)

an embarrassment to American Political discourse.

What sucks is for some reason he is given a voice when he has no expertise on the American political system and in many interviews dismisses it as cliche and not as cool as his hard knock life in Baja, Mexico.

I hope when his book deal is over he panhandles enough change to fly his un-patriotic ass back to Mexico.

After watching this video I realized just how done I was with ventura:

Wow, that was brilliant Jesse!

Pat on the back


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:21:52 PM EST

Unpatriotic, really? (none / 0)

I understand a lot of criticism of Ventura, but unpatriotic?

The guy was a Navy SEAL and my governor for four years; no matter what you think of him or his policies, I will not stand by anyone saying that he does not love his state or his country.

As for the clip... I don't see the problem.  He's not a Democrat and he's not paid that much attention to Obama; why should he have said any differently?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:40:38 PM EST
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Re: Unpatriotic, really? (none / 0)

Okay, unpatriotic was a little strong, but he thats just the way I talk sometimes.

Over the last couple years as I have taken politics and the progressive agenda far more seriously I have found myself adopting American nationalism so it is easy for me to see a guy like him making a mockery of our system, a system I and you both fight for to maintain and improve all while he is living the high life in Mexico and "ignoring" American politics as unpatriotic.

So no, he is not un-patriotic, what he is is a mockery to all those folks who work hard for years to get into office.

All he did was leave our country, write a book, get some tv appearances, and then entertain the idea of running a last minute campaign.

I cant STAND people like him and Nader, for one main reason, they have no interest in winning.

I beg anyone to find me one clip of Nader's VP on the campaign trail,  I looked hard, a good woman but no politician.
How could anyone vote for someone who isn't willing to be president on Day 1.

anyways enough of my rants, my best wishes are with Minnesota, home to the world's best hip hop music!


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:31:26 PM EST
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Gah, don't even. (none / 0)

Don't dare compare Ventura with Nader.  

Nader has never served a day of elected office.  Ventura was the mayor of Brooklyn Park for 5 years before becoming the governor of Minnesota for 4 years.  Like Franken, he was a radio political commentator with a large following.  He has more elected experience than Obama did before Obama ran for Senate, and more than Amy Klobuchar.

Ventura has every right and qualification to run for Senate.  Just because he's been out of the country for awhile does not mean that he's some johnny-come-lately.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:41:39 PM EST
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Question to Minnesota activists (none / 0)

I answered No to the poll as I cannot stand this man , not for his policies but his lack of respect of public service when he is so hungry of a piece of it himself.

Now the conversation here is not if we like or don't like him, it is will his possible senate run help or hurt Al Franken.

Personaly I think it would be safer if he didn't run and went back to his vacation home, just like all the celebrities who think they are too cool for America but can speak on it (talking to you kevin spacey)

If he does run, are the grass roots activists ready to pile the attack on Ventura and Coleman?

Do the Minn voters hear think Franken would have a stronger ticket attacking both Coleman and Ventura in the same breath?


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:35:48 PM EST

As I said (none / 0)

I think it will hurt Coleman.  If you look at his policies, he's actually more of a libertarian than the Independance Party's standard platform (thanks for pointing me to that difference, guys).  He's also anti-establishment.  

Anti-establishment liberal types have pretty much already decided on voting for the comedian.  Franken will also get the standard Democratic bloc.

Anti-establishment conservative types will vote for Ventura because by then the wingnuts will have completely demonized Franken due to his past comedy work, and they're tired of Coleman's wishy-washy poll-driven Bush subservience.  Ventura is for low taxes and against taking away peoples' guns, things that appeal to most conservative Minnesotans.

Coleman will only get the establishment conservatives.

I'm willing to go to the plate for this one.  I think Franken wins a 3-way race.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:49:12 PM EST
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Re: As I said (none / 0)

Well thats a well thought out answer.

Dont be too surprised, I asked that question honestly without an answer.

I still think it's risky because I don't see the Dems USING Ventura to weaken Coleman.  
I see them ignoring him maybe.


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by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 07:03:02 PM EST
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Re: The fate of Minnesota (none / 0)

Hooray for Jesse!  If elected, we can expect him to offer up bills that guarantee the right to jet ski on all public waters without restriction.  And you can be sure that the Federal Government will get involved in capping the license fees for SUV's.  (Jesse hates paying big fees for his Hummer.)

I will say this:  He managed to get the light rail done.  And despite the fact that he's a clownish buffoon, (I think that local talk radio asshat Joe Soucheray called him "Governor Turnbuckle", a perfect moniker if you ask me), he'd be a hell of an improvement over Norm "The Music Man" Coleman.  (Or if you prefer, Norm "Mayor Quimby" Coleman.)


by reconad on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:32:32 PM EST

Re: The fate of Minnesota (none / 0)

"Dean Barkley, who then-Governor Jesse Ventura appointed to fill Paul Wellstone's seat prior to the 2002 election, has challenged his old boss to a golf game tomorrow"

Actually, the appointment came after the election.


by Collideascope on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 10:24:59 PM EST


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