It's only scary when a Black man says it...

Get ready.

We've begun to see what the rethugs are rolling out for the GE and it's no great surprise.

I listened to the first 15 minutes of Hannity a few days ago.  In that short period of time, he used the word "radical" to describe Obama about seven or eight times.  He tied the word to both socialism and anti-Americanism (through Wright, et. all).

What lies beneath this of course is a play on fear.  They want people to be afraid of a Black president.  They want people to be afraid of a president with "Hussein" in his name.

And so of course they'll play up Ayers and Wright.  They'll make vague suggestions that we don't "really know Obama" because if they were more specific we'd see the racism for what it is.

I have conservative friends who've already begun this "we don't really know him" line.  When I ask them what they are worried about - who it is they think he might be - they will only say, "Show me who you hang out with and I'll show you who you are."  They are afraid of the Black man with angry Black friends.

But the most audacious part of all of this is the hypocrisy.  Conservatives ROUTINELY condemn America, America's government, and America's pre-dominating values but they are not cast in this light.  They are called patriotic!

So instead of saying "God Damn America" conservative commentators can blame Katrina on America.  And they can blame AIDS on American values.  And they can tell most of America that it is going to hell.  But they are white.  So it is OK.

Liberals need to start addressing these narratives about Wright and Ayers for what they are - racist fear tactics.  America must be forced to be honest with itself about its fears of a Black man if it is ever going to move forward.  So long as people are permitted to hide their racial fears behind bogus propaganda-driven storylines, we will not make progress.

So I'm asking you, MYDD community, not only to be watchful and wary of the overt sexism of the media, but to be quick to pinpoint the subtle (and yet greatly damaging) racism implicit in many (or MOST!) of the criticisms of Barack Obama.

This election is too important to lose to dishonest, shameful tactics.  If we are vocal, we can be a part of fighting this garbage.  Do your part!  Use your voice!



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Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 4)

You listened to Hannity for 15 minutes?  In a row?

Quickly, run to you sink, flush your eyes and mouth with water, and dial 9-1-1.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:16:22 PM EST

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 2)

They are afraid of the Black man with angry Black friends.
.

comments like this makes people push the notion even more that when anyone opposes obama they are racists.

we really can't expect to move forward as a nation when we dems hide / throw out such comments.

They your friends could be simply be against obama w/ o being against blacks...

I don't know how we expect the partisanship to end.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:46:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 2)

Sometimes when people oppose Obama they ARE racists.  Not all the time.  But we need to be very clear about what is and isn't substantive disagreement.  


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:48:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (1.00 / 0)

yeah but we seem to more than " sometimes" imply that all / majority are racists.  really sad...


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:52:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 3)

OK, so we need to be specific.  The answer isn't to just do it less.  It's to point to racism correctly.  Would you disagree that the Wright  stories play to a racial narrative?


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:56:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (1.00 / 0)

thats because at the risk of using " calling a spade a spade" idiom -- wright himeslf was envoking it in " spades".

I mean come on... how can one hit someone over the head w/ a bat and then expect people who witness it call it a 'love pat'. there is no question wright is a racists.  

It goes both ways...


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:02:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, Wright is not a "racist." (2.00 / 4)

Racists argue that people of another race are inferior. Racists argue that people of other races should be disenfranchised. Racists argue that people of other races should not be married, or made friends with. Racists often argue that people of other races deserve to be targets of violence.

Wright did none of this. He welcomed white people into his church. He welcomed the half-white Obama. He has fought for fairness and justice across the board. He even traveled to the White House to support the Clintons during the Lewinsky scandal.

Wright simply pointed to systems built on white privilege, and that still foster inequality. Pointing to racism is not itself racism. Yes, Wright is wrong about the origin of AIDS, but a number of people have that wrong also (a number of my white friends believe AIDS was CIA-created).

Wright is bombastic and egotistic, but he is not a racist.


by rhetoricus on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:39:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (1.00 / 0)

ROFL -- reminded me of the folks who think 911 was a creation of the US govt.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:09:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (2.00 / 2)

Clearly, you don't know what racism is.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:13:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (1.00 / 0)

well thats what those 911 conspiracy theorist say about the majority of us too.

It's entertaining I'll give you that.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:17:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (none / 0)

911 conspiracy theorists say we don't know what racism is?  First I've heard that.  Your browser history must be pretty interesting.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:34:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (1.00 / 0)

I know now why you agree w/ the wright is not racists diatribe. :)

* swoooshhh* and it blows past your noggin


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:37:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (2.00 / 3)

Actually, I caught your drift but found the comparison between the belief in a 911 conspiracy theory and the recognition of what racism is an indefensibly stupid analogy.

swoooshhh

Per the American Psychological Association, Racism is:

Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans.

Per the Anti-Defamation League:

Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person's social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics. Racial separatism is the belief, most of the time based on racism, that different races should remain segregated and apart from one another.

Rev. Wright recognizes the extant racism (both individual prejudice and institutional)in America today and speaks out vociferously against them.  You may not like his message, or the manner in which he delivers it, but Rev. Wright is no racist.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, Wright is not "racist." (none / 0)

wait.. what? This is the biggest red herring I've ever heard.


by rhetoricus on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:12:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 1)

One of my favorite lines in Franken's first book, the one about Limbaugh, is how he says listening to Limbaugh caused him to want to do anything else other than listening to Limbaugh, including house chores he otherwise hated.


by skywaker9 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:19:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 2)

It's much more menacing when a black man says he's going to raise taxes on the rich! What he's really saying is that he's going to steal the white women!


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:17:45 PM EST

Hannity just loves to attack (2.00 / 2)

African Americans. Did you know he had Pastor Manning on his show? He had the audacity to berate Manning for criticizing Obama, despite the fact that he himself spends half his time ranting about how Obama should not only drop out of the presidential race, but also resign from the Senate (because of his association with Wright). He only had Manning on his program so that he'd have another chance to go after a black preacher.

Hannity, like many conservatives, is very uncomfortable with black people.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:23:38 PM EST

I saw that clip (2.00 / 2)

It was priceless.  A friend wondered if Hannity defending Obama against Manning's screed meant that Hannity had redeeming characteristics.

I had to inform him that having Manning on his show allowed him to both air said screed (and get it out there in the public subconscious) and berate a black person for racism by defending a Democrat, which makes him look "fair and balanced."

It was win/win for Hannity.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:27:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Exactly. (2.00 / 1)

My father tried to tell me that it proved he was fair and balanced. Not quite so fair and balanced when you consider that he was pretty consistent about bashing those "radical" black people.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:38:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Exactly. (none / 0)

Sricki,  remind your father that Fox LOVES black people:


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:42:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's not forget Hal Turner (none / 0)

It was so moving when white supremacist Hal Turner spoke about his deep love and friendship with Sean Hannity.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:28:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 2)

Jimmy Carter Called Reagan a Radical ,

McGovern was called a radical.

Hillary Clinton has been called a radical leftist for decades.

I hope we won't continue to see every criticism of Obama as racist.

I have heard enough of that.

The word radical is thrown around very frequently in politics , dam near every politician is called a radical.

Your diary reads like a conspiracy theory.

The republicans have obviously made a killing on exploiting race but lets reserve that for obvious transgressions.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:29:03 PM EST

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 3)

There's a difference between "radical leftist" and "a radical" which has the overtones of revolution, etc.  Additionally, the "we don't know who he is" vagueness and focus on Ayers and Wright are clear efforts to drum up fear that he is somehow anti-American and anti-White.  It is racial fear mongering.  Clear as day.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:31:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely correct. They want to turn him into a boogeyman like many folks tried to do in the primary already. Didn't work though.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:35:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Isn't Ayers as white as the driven snow? nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:37:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Isn't Ayers as white as the driven snow? nt (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, but he used violence (he's a terrorist). Combine that with Wright and you've got Obama the anti-American, white hating, muslim terrorist.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:44:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Isn't Ayers as white as the driven snow? nt (none / 0)

..except that Ayers wasn't convicted of anything, unlike the WU folks that Clinton pardoned.


by rhetoricus on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 06:15:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 2)

Pretty much only racist criticisms of Obama are called racist. The rest are called stupid unless they're valid. Though Hannity is racist and stupid and rarely has a valid point.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:32:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Pretty much only racist criticisms of Obama are called racist.

- Not the case , in the primary season criticism that had nothing to do with race was turned into something about race .

I don't need to go in rehashing instances but that was one of the issues I found really ridiculous about the whole primary season.

Words that were used everyday became words that were deemed racist overnight.

From fairytale , young , inexperienced , green etc became words that were out of bounds.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:40:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 1)

What criticisms that had nothing to do with race were turned into something about race?

The only instance I recall being misconstrued is the fairytale remark. I saw the media misreport what was said and it went from there.

Calling him a kid or boy is certainly racist and there is a long history of even the oldest African-Americans being treated like children.

I never saw inexperienced construed as racist just wrong. I never saw anyone call him green.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:44:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Maybe we were watching two different campaigns.

I didn't say anything about kid/boy.

However there is no use beating a dead horse.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:50:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 1)

Or maybe we view things through a different lens.

Talking about race problems in America isn't beating a dead horse. That horse is alive and kicking!


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:54:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Talking about race problems in America isn't beating a dead horse. That horse is alive and kicking!

- Yes , but talking about transgressions in the primary season  or some instances of things that could have happened as far back as 5 months ago is , since the outcome is determined and can't be changed.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:57:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 1)

The behavior can be recognized and then prevented no matter how long ago it happened.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:13:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

We just can't get on the same page , Can we ? lol


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:19:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

I assume we're both Democrats so we're pretty much on the same page:)


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:22:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

There ya go


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:25:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Lori, this is completely unrelated to your comment, but I must insist that you learn to use (minus spaces):
<bl ockquote></bl ockquote>

As in:

Blockquote makes it easier to tell where the quote stops and the message begins.

Wouldn't you agree? :-)


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:05:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

* NO YOU DON'T !!!! *

You don't get to insist I learn to do anything lol.

However if it makes you feel more comfortable I would make it clearer where a direct quote starts and ends.

Now the way I choose to do it would be my choice as long as it is clear to readers.  


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:13:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

That works for me. Just so long as there's some sort of clear delineation.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:10:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I actually agree. I read the comments as attacks (2.00 / 1)

on a Democrat.  They don't call black people "socialists".  They call Democrats socialists.  And I think "radical" is just a way to make him seem more "leftist", not more "black".


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:36:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (2.00 / 1)

Depends on what they're using to call him a radical and a leftist. If it's mooslim and black preachers then it's different than if it's taxes.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:38:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (2.00 / 1)

I would agree if it was just the "socialist" cry.  But it isn't.  In one breath Hannity uses radical to describe that but also something related to Ayers and Wright that he won't define.  It is that shiftiness and insistence that gives it away.  It is like when I hear people around here start a sentence with, "I don't want to sound racist....BUT,".  I know what's coming.  And when Hannity uses the word radical that many times in a monologue where he is talking about Wright and quoting "God D*** America" I know what is coming.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:39:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (2.00 / 1)

Thats what they have done to Clinton for years.

They have made hay on calling her a radical , then in the same breadth talk about the pardons of terrorist , the scandal , the connections.

If everything is turned as an attack on his race , it would turn off many folks.

This is something they have done for years on politicians on the left whether white or black.

Now we are not naive enough to think they won't exploit race but like I said it should be for something tangible.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:46:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (none / 0)

They call her a radical because of her policies not because she was associated with a black preacher or has mooslim name.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:48:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (2.00 / 1)

They called her radical because of her policies and associations.

She has been accused of everything from fraud , murder , tax racketeering ,terrorist connections. etc.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:52:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (none / 0)

She has been accused of those things but those don't fit the definition of "radical". Rather they fit the definition of "criminal" which they also called her and Bill.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:55:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (none / 0)

I am not going to get into what definitions it fits , however they certainly talk about the associations and policies when the hannity's of this world paint her as a radical.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:00:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (none / 0)

I haven't seen that comparison.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:12:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (2.00 / 3)

I had a really long discussion in another thread with someone about this very issue.  Racism has morphed in America.  It is no longer permissible overly but it is now unquestionable covertly.  Where I detect a strong, clear indication or racial bias I am met even by the left with warnings not to go there because it isn't tangible.  I understand why you say this.  But this is the problem - we are currently allowing racial bias to hide in trojan horses.

A great example was a rec'd diary a while back where a DNC volunteer spoke with a woman who started complaining about Obama on the basis of Wright, and then on the basis of Trinity as a whole, before finally coming out and saying, "Those people aren't evolved enough to run our country."  It didn't get to be tangible racism until right there.  But it was there the whole time.

I absolutely do not mean to say that all attacks on Obama are racist, but I do mean to point out which attacks play in to racist narratives, and specifically create racial fear while simultaneously allowing racism to have a "safe" place to hide.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:53:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I actually agree. I read the comments as atta (2.00 / 1)

Excellent example. Right until the moment that woman became explicitly racist, many here would have defended her (fellow racists would have continued beyond that moment, but I digress), stating her issues with Obama were issue-based. But those of us attuned to implicit racism recognized it within her long before she directly stated black people were subhuman. It would behoove us all not to wait until the barn burns to the ground to acknowledge the sparks in the hay.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:45:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Calling someone "radical" isn't racist (none / 0)

I fail to see how calling someone or his views radical, as racist. FAUX calls everyone names who doesn't follow RNC talking points. They called Ron paul a radical.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:38:39 PM EST

Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 2)

I beginning to wonder if some of you aren't getting all the way through the diary.  My main point is that Obama is called a radical not for his policies but for his associations.  And those are portrayed as anti-American and anti-White.  But it's the latter that is important because conservatives like Hagee and Robertson say anti-American things all the time, but McSame and Co. love them.  However, when a Black man (see the title) says anti-American things, it is portrayed as something to fear and Obama is a "radical" that should be feared because of it.

It is not fear tactics based on knowns like his policies but on supposed "unknowns" like his view of Whites or America that might be sketchy.

And if you don't believe that this is part of the narrative underlying these criticisms of Obama, look at the recent diary about the "Terrorist Fist Jab."  Fox News said that.  Simply that Obama did something opens up the opportunity for a "News" channel to suppose that it might be terrorist related.  This only happens to him because he has dark skin and a funny name.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:44:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 1)

They are going to criticize Obama's associates, just like we are going to criticize McCain's. I still don't see how this is racist.

Further, the right has been calling the left "radical" for decades, this is nothing new, and didn't start with Obama.

And ANYONE on the left that says anything they deem as "anti-America" is slammed on that propaganda network. From Richard Gere, the Dixie Chicks, etc. Wright is not a special case.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:56:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 1)

I recall Kerry getting anti-American criticism, but only in the sense that he "hated America" intellectually.  No one was calling anything he did a "terrorist" action.  

And you are right.  Associations are a big deal.  If Rezko were as big as Ayers and Wright for Hannity and the like, I might agree with you.  But Hannity, etc., emphasize the ones that play to terrorist/black supremicist memes.  They also imply that he is a manchurian type candidate as well.  


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:00:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (none / 0)

Wright said, "God damn America", and blamed AIDS on our governement. FAUX News would be all over this whether he was black or white.

That's not racist, that's politics.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:12:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 1)

Was FAUX news all over Hagee and Parsley?


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:22:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (none / 0)

Why would FAUX attack McCain? They're trying to get him in office.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:31:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 1)

That's true and their attack on "anti-Americanism" is a fiction.

Well, how about the MSM. Did they parade Hagee and Parsley around for weeks?


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:38:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 1)

No kidding.  Blaming AIDS on the government might even be less severe than blaming AIDS on gays, or blaming all world evils on Islam, or blaming Katrina on the Government - all things done by conservative, white pastors.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:28:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Calling someone (none / 0)

We already know FAUX are schills for the right, and will protect their candidates. I still fail to see how any of this is racist, it would appear partisan instead.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:33:46 PM EST
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Re: Calling someone (2.00 / 1)

Well the MSM also went after Obama on Wright and Ayers and Farrakhan and Hamas.


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:39:33 PM EST
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Re: Calling someone "radical" (2.00 / 1)

They're not calling him radical because of his health plan...


The plural of anecdote is not data.
by LiberalDebunker on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 12:44:44 PM EST
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I've plabeen thinking a lot about racism lately... (2.00 / 2)

Racism is still here, and Republicans are going to use it to try to win this year. But it isn't the racism from the 1960's or earlier. Racism is not socially acceptable any longer, so racists, or those who want to exploit racism for their own ends, have to tread carefully. They say and do things that leave them with plausible deniability about what they're really doing. They tiptoe up to near the line, but most of them won't go even right up to it, much less over it.
But the attacks ARE rooted in racism, make no mistake. Racism is still with us, even if the racists themselves have to hide it lest they be shunned by society. And those who would stoke racist feelings to win elections know how to appeal to the closet racists among us--and to sow doubts among the rest of us.
And that's another thing: we're all tainted by racism in this country. It lingers and seeps into our lives, but as I said, it's hidden and subtle, so we have a harder time seeing it for what it is.
So Hannity and those like him try to make Obama seem like the "other". They try to make him seem "not really like us". they use words like "radical" to make him seem scary. And again, it leavves them with plausible deniability: they can say, "I never said anything about him being black. I'm just trying to warn Americans that he might not 'share our values.'" But what they are trying to do is render him scary enough and different enough that we might start looking at him just the least little bit suspiciously. If we
fall into the trap, we'll begin to see things that aren't really there or that are there but are utterly harmless, and we'll get leery and spread the word of our fears and suspiciouns, and we'll have done Hannity's work for him.
I don't really know if Hannity is a bigot or not, and I don't think it means anything either way. He's willing to play these games, and if he is, and doesn't have anything against black people, then he's just as bad as an unreconstructed racist. He and those like him can go to hell.
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by Mumphrey on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:01:33 PM EST

Re: I've plabeen thinking a lot about... (none / 0)

By the way, if you don't know what "plabeen" means, just bear in mind that I'm writing this while looking after a curious and active 13 month old daughter...


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by Mumphrey on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:09:58 PM EST
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Re: I've plabeen thinking a lot about... (none / 0)

Great you have the ability to be a chief cook and a bottlewasher at the same time.

Kudos to you.

I can't seem to be able to do that with my niece.

I just hand her the rag baby and ask her to go watch cow and chicken lol


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:18:01 PM EST
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Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 1)

Let me add a note here about what I mean.

My mother is an Obama supporter.  I wrote a diary about her a few days back in fact.  But a month or so ago she confessed something to me.  She said, "Aaron, I support Obama but I have to fight a fear that I find inside myself that a Black president won't always have my best interest in mind.  I know I shouldn't feel that way, but I do.  I have to get passed it."

I do not think my mother is a racist.  I am proud of her for feeling and then naming the fear she has.  We need to help people do that and we need to fight narratives that encourage that fear, and what's more, narratives that lie to people about what that fear really is.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:08:52 PM EST

She's not racist (none / 0)

because she's fighting any racist idea that pops into my head.

I highly doubt there is any person alive who hasn't had a racist thought...me included. It's whether or not you can dismiss it and know it's racist and wrong and be above it that matters.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 03:18:24 PM EST
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Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Bring that on, Republicans. America is waking up for the first time in a long time.


If you are not voting Obama, please let me know so I can replace your sorry ass with another new voter.
by Darknesse on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:11:40 PM EST

"terrorist fist bump" (2.00 / 1)

sort of encapsulates the meme.

Yes, the anchor on Fox called it that. Even Morning Joe mocked it.


by Neef on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:19:39 PM EST

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Perhaps they're going with racist undertones, but they would have gone with SOMETHING. Think of it as good news. Once America gets to know Obama better, the narrative completely loses shape. The war is going to be defining Obama's message by making himself as clear and passionate as he can possibly be. Meanwhile, we need to define McCain's image as who he is. A man who came to Washington and gradually compromised his integrity.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 01:33:09 PM EST

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

And you're surprised by this broadcast how??  I don't think any of these statements were exactly hard to predict - heck I predicted these exact words would be used months ago - but noone believed me @@
Instead they actually thought traditional voting Republicans would be more open to voting for Obama or find him LESS polarizing then Clinton - who has been talked about endlessly for practically 4 decades.

Not saying it shouldn't be fought against - it needs to be of course - but I'm fuzzy as to why the surprise?


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:11:01 PM EST

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (2.00 / 1)

I wasn't saying I was surprised.  I'm just saying "Here it is.  Let's do something about it."  I wrote this now because as people are talking about the sexism in the media we need to be talking about the racism too.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:12:57 PM EST
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Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

I guess my point is we should've been prepared for this already so that when it was stated it would have been met with mass dismissal. These aren't exactly earth shattering talking points but now they need to be RESPONDED to versus having been dealt with proactively.


by jrsygrl on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:34:31 PM EST
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Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

yeah, it goes with black panthers and feeding poor kids before school, starting tutorial programs, wanting everyone to have the same chance to pitching in when government doesn't care, those scary black radicals.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 02:12:54 PM EST

Re: It's only scary when a Black man says it... (none / 0)

Have any of you seen commercials for that movie, "The Happening," where people are stabbing themselves and jumping off buildings? Every time I see it, I hope the movie's a documentary about Fox "News."

Does anyone know what the real impact of Fox is? My feeling is that it merely preaches to the same low-information-voter choir night after night.

I try to watch Fox News occasionally, if for no other reason than to know what the enemy's doing. But, honestly, watching that network is like one of those David Blaine magic tricks -- weird, excruciating, and ultimately pointless.


by BenderRodriguez on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:26:27 PM EST

Black elites have a secret weapon (none / 0)

Against racism.  It's called performance.  Get the job done and get it done Jackie Robinson style.  Barack is just that kind of elite, and he is at least in my opinion the most talented politician in this age.

The funny thing to me is I doubt he knew he was black until he got to Chicago.


by Adept2u on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:21:04 AM EST


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