I support Hillary's cause

Up front, for those who don't know me.  I am a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton.  I will still strongly call out those who keep stating Obama is the nominee, as he is quite not there yet.  And I will still defend her and what she stands for.

I have no illusions, however.   I believe that Obama will be our Democratic nominee this upcoming week.  He will get the SD's to swing over.  I also believe once that happens, Hillary will concede and rally her supporters to follow her lead as she endorses Obama.  Hillary has NEVER gave anyone any indication that she would not support the Democratic nominee.  Her campaign has been stating that this primary is over once one of them reaches the magic number, despite the talk of Denver. Of course, they are going to mention Denver.  That's politics.  Since she hasn't conceded, of course they aren't going to state they are giving up.  

However, they have given themselves an out - with reaching the required number of delegates.  Hillary will not be seen as a quitter or loser, but hopefully, as a strong candidate who went to the finish line, but missed it by "that much".  

I have no doubts about the Clinton's - they have spent their whole life in Democratic politics and have strongly supported many Democrats, even some that didn't endorse them in this year's primary.  If we have learned anything, thru Bill Clinton's style, they really know that this is politics.   And politics is about supporting each other, even when there are some bitterness or disapproval.  Hell, I don't even think that the Clinton's or the Obama's really dislike each other, or that they have such bitterness towards each other.  If Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan could get along and respect each other, why on earth do people think that these folks, who share the same ideals and goals, would not?

What is the point of this diary and my ramblings?  I am sick.  Sick to death of seeing things like
a) Hillary should run as an independent.  Sorry, Charlie.  Look at Hillary and Bill's whole history.  They are not leaving the Democratic party until they are dead.

b) McClinton Voters.  Sigh.  That is the ULTIMATE disrespect towards Hillary I have ever seen.  Sure, at one point, I was thinking of not voting or voting Nader - briefly.  However, the thought of voting for John McCain just because Hillary may not be our Democratic nominee is a slap in her face.  You may think this is the ultimate sign of loyalty, but it isn't.

Loyalty:  Loyalty is faithfulness or a devotion to a person or cause.  

I get it - I am loyal to Hillary as well.  But what or who is Hillary loyal to, in terms of this years' General Election, if she is not the nominee?  The cause.  The ongoing cause to promoting our democratic and progressive ideals, such as getting out of Iraq, Universal Health Care, Education, economy, Social Security and so many other issues that are judged on the Supreme Court - Roe V Wade is a biggie.  How we conduct ourselves here at home and around the world;  regaining respect.

This is what Hillary's cause is.  It is the same as Obama's.  Note, I stated the cause, not how we get there.  UHC is one of the issues that I want Hillary to lead in an Obama presidency.  I hope he recognizes her passion and conviction in this area, and will use her and Elizabeth Edwards - Hillary to be the uniter in the Senate (she is damn good at that) and wonk, and Elizabeth to promote it, as she is a shining star and I don't know anyone that doesn't love Elizabeth.

We Hillary supporters can ensure her political career isn't over;  we can support her in NY when she comes up for re-election again.  We can support her by telling us what we think and what is important to us, as her supporters.  

I support Hillary Clinton.  I also support HER cause.  And that cause is to make sure a Democrat is elected to the White House this year.

Update [2008-6-1 19:46:34 by colebiancardi]: Please note that NONE of Hillary's causes will happen if McCain is president. Remember that when you think of loyalty.



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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 14)

Each candidate is an imperfect vessel for Democratic values, but they both do represent those values.


by rfahey22 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:22:39 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 3)

Finally, a voice of reason.  Thank you.


by pino on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:38:39 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 4)

no place in this diary.

you've outed yourself as a concern troll.


by colebiancardi on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:25:30 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 14)

Recommended. I agree that there is a distinction here -- it won't be that Hillary dropped out; it will be that Obama won the requisite delegates and thus won. She wasn't pushed out and she wasn't shamed out. She lost as fairly as Obama won. I agree with everything you said.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:28:29 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 11)

To be honest...I would be disappointed if she would drop out before the end of the primaries...She has gained enormous respect from me in the way she continues to inspire millions and millions of people all over our country.


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:34:31 PM EST
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Really spot-on diary! (2.00 / 10)

Reflects my sentiments quite precisely, too!

Kudos!


by bobswern on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:30:03 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 7)

Thank you for being such a good advocate for HRC and for the causes that impel her.

Let us all remember what elections are about -- putting people into office who will make decisions that can help or hurt the people.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:30:33 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 10)

Thank you. I am an Obama supporter, and I agree with everything you say. Roe V. Wade is a biggie. Anyone who thinks about voting for McCain ought to think long and hard about the effects of a McCain presidency on reproductive choice.


by blue jersey mom on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:31:30 PM EST

Awesome!!! (2.00 / 7)

Nice job cole...What a great surrogate you have been for HRC, you are who she imagines when she thinks of her supporters...Man, will I be glad when we are on the same side!!!


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:31:55 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 6)

Bravo!

We should not have gotten into the squabbles during the Primary. No matter who crosses the finish line first, we Democrats will send a winner to the General Election.

Who knows? Maybe they'll both be there!


by xdem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:32:22 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 30)

I should put a tip jar in here, no?


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:32:58 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 7)

Virtual mojo and rec...


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:35:23 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

Thank you.  I'd rec if I could.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:04:52 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 3)

Rec'd with gusto.
I dig seeing Hillary Supporters (as opposed to Hillary 'supporters') on the rec list.
Heck, I dig seeing quality writing from any Democrat on the rec list.
Good on ya.
by Kysen on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:44:43 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

Recc'd and mojo'd because I know you've been a staunch Clinton supporter. But you see the detriment to voting for McCain or abstaining in the fall.

Thank god. :)


by Yalin on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:29:02 PM EST
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Recced (2.00 / 10)

You have very good thoughts this part was really nice:

The ongoing cause to promoting our democratic and progressive ideals, such as getting out of Iraq, Universal Health Care, Education, economy, Social Security and so many other issues that are judged on the Supreme Court - Roe V Wade is a biggie.  How we conduct ourselves here at home and around the world;  regaining respect.

And I agree with you that Sen. Clinton has a very powerful voice and will use it in what ever position she is in post November (whether veep, part of the cabinet, SML, or Senator)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:33:05 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

I support Hillary's cause, too, or the vast majority of it, anyway.  She's a great democratic leader and pretty well matches up with my views.

I heard an idea that Hillary might negotiate her withdrawal from the race to include a pledge from Obama to adopt her health care plan. I wonder how much difference this would make to the people threatening to leave the democratic party if Hillary isn't nominated.  It's the argument I hear repeatedly from her most adamant supporters, so I would imagine that it would, at the very least, help clear the boundary between Clinton supporters and people who have a rather irrational hatred of Obama.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:35:00 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 7)

If you want to make us real happy, pledge to adopt her health care plan and name her as VP and let her head up health care policy like Cheney did with energy policy.


by LakersFan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:49:31 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

Holy mother of Moses, you did not just compare Hillary Clinton to Darth Cheney.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:07:39 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

Ha, ha. Not really, but if the GOP is going to expand the powers of the Executive every time they're in the White House, the Dems should take advantage of these newfound powers when they're in the White House.


by LakersFan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:13:54 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

I'll call Obama and see what I can do ;)


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:08:48 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

uprated; not sure what the TR was for.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:13:36 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 11)

thank you everyone.  I doubt this will get as many comments as the flame throwing diaries, but I wanted people to note that there are MORE HRC supporters like me (and my mom - I have to shout out to my mom)  and not "McClinton voters".


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:39:38 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 6)

We all love Mom's!!!


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:42:50 PM EST
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Well, except for the Republicans... (2.00 / 4)

who voted against honoring mothers this Mother's Day.  But I don't think they hang out at Mydd much! ;)


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:16:06 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 9)

Beautifully written.  I know for a fact that Sen. Clinton's supporters sound more like you and Alice Huffman than the flame throwers.  Congratulations for getting on the rec list.  You earned your way there the good old fashioned way -- respect.


by gchaucer2 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:47:33 PM EST

Very well said. Happily rec'd. n/t (2.00 / 10)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:48:01 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

Rec'd.

I don't spend enough time here giving props to stuff like this. Very nicely done.


by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:54:14 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 4)

Rec'd


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:58:25 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

all I'm sick of is the nasty tone that she gets in the media and that I get here from his supporters when I'm saying something positive about her. No one will start a third party, but it's a sign of how angry some of us are over this process, over the way she gets smeared and no one in the party says anything. We have been underestimated.  I can't speak for all women, but know the anger is real and deep and truly felt, and no amount of saying, he can win without us, or we'll have no choice, he's the only game in town, or the worst, that he'll be better for women than Hillary and he'll pick women, will make this anger go away. George Bush surrounded himself with women, and it was icky the way he had them fetching and serving him.   Barack's people need to know this, if he doesn't need us no problem, but right now he can't count on most of us. I'm an anti-war lefty, but not all women are as left as me.  I don't think they'll vote for McCain, but I'm not at all sure they'll get out to vote for Barack. He's running now as yet another male fathead.  Maybe we could draft Kerry, I can no longer tell them apart.  


by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:59:18 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 4)

And male candidates don't get personally smeared?

Barack Obama hasn't been personally smeared? His wife hasn't? Are you standing up for women being smeared or just Hillary Clinton being smeared?

How many in the Democratic Party stood up to defend Barack and Michelle Obama? Did Hillary counter thus Muslim smear? Nope.

"As far as I know..."

Remember those words? Did Hillary use a Farrakhan smear when Obama has no real link to the man? Yes.

You're looking at this through rose-colored lenses.


by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:05:12 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

if he's the nom poor Michelle won't know what hit her. When Bill got the nom all the nasty stuff was about Hillary.  I got something icky from an old high school pug fool and he thought I'd think it's funny.  I won't like Michelle getting smeared anymore than I like it happening to Hillary. After how I feel about the party and the 'presumptive' candidate using sexism to get votes, I think I have a little more empathy for black voters who didn't always vote.  This is a consciousness raising experience for sure.  I don't think I'd like being told I must be proud to be American if  my people had been brought here in chains, and had 400 years of slavery, and we know what happened to the women, and then be denied civil rights and after civil rights still get arrested more, murdered more, cheated more and after all that looked down on by stupid white people. I can understand now exactly why she said this was the first time she's been proud to be American.  


by anna shane on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:06:21 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

It has been a rough primary season.  I too am upset with the media and the tone - because if they do that to Hillary, then they are also slapping me, as I strongly identify with her.

I've written to the DNC, Hillary's & Obama's campaign and MSNBC (as I think they are the worst) about the tone of sexism and racism in this primary.

However, if Hillary can rise above it, I can as well.  Her beliefs and causes are bigger than her, bigger than me, bigger than you.  We can continue to point out the injustices.  However, having a republican president who shares none of her beliefs, her worldview, is a worse injustice, imho

Think of this poem by Maya Angelou, who is a strong Hillary supporter as well:

You may write me down in history
With your bitter, twisted lies,
You may trod me in the very dirt
But still, like dust, I'll rise.

Does my sassiness upset you?
Why are you beset with gloom?
'Cause I walk like I've got oil wells
Pumping in my living room.

Just like moons and like suns,
With the certainty of tides,
Just like hopes springing high,
Still I'll rise.

Did you want to see me broken?
Bowed head and lowered eyes?
Shoulders falling down like teardrops.
Weakened by my soulful cries.

Does my haughtiness offend you?
Don't you take it awful hard
'Cause I laugh like I've got gold mines
Diggin' in my own back yard.

You may shoot me with your words,
You may cut me with your eyes,
You may kill me with your hatefulness,
But still, like air, I'll rise.

Does my sexiness upset you?
Does it come as a surprise
That I dance like I've got diamonds
At the meeting of my thighs?

Out of the huts of history's shame
I rise
Up from a past that's rooted in pain
I rise
I'm a black ocean, leaping and wide,
Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
I rise
Into a daybreak that's wondrously clear
I rise
Bringing the gifts that my ancestors gave,
I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
I rise
I rise
I rise.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:06:32 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 3)

Is the where the "Rise Hillary Rise" slogan that I keep seeing comes from? I wouldn't be surprised given how inspiration Angelou has been/is.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:10:03 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

yes.   Maya, on Hillary's blog, took the first part of this poem, dedicated it to her and wrote an wonderful mini-essay for Hillary.

But I thought in the spirit of unity, to post Maya's original poem instead.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:12:47 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

Cool. Thanks and mojo'd for the info.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:34:32 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 8)

Barack's people need to know this, if he doesn't need us no problem, but right now he can't count on most of us.

I respect your opinion and, of course, your undying support for Hillary. But neither Obama or any of us have ever said we don't need Clinton supporters.

To the contrary, we're doing everything what we can to end the hostilities. But we're also dealing with a lot of people who are threatening to vote for McCain, making demands that are almost impossible to meet, and making truly nasty comments about Obama in the process. (Seriously, embracing Larry Sinclair?!?)

When faced with that kind of negativity, and recognizing that there's basically nothing we can do to win them over, at that point we just simply throw up our hands and give the old "Don't let the door hit ya..." line.

It's cause and effect, not effect and cause. We need everyone we can get to win the White House, but there's certainly some people who aren't genuinely looking for conciliation.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:12:24 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 4)

we are so pissed, and he needs to know it.  out of all my girlfriends, not one will vote for him and we started out liking him.  He has seriously underestimated our response to his jeers and sneers.  I'm in a state that always goes dem, so I probably won't vote for him either. I don't like him anymore.  To me he's a creep.  The last one, when he assumed her JFK remark referred to the only way she can win the nom, over his dead body, i wanted to throw up. Who the heck does he think he is to say such an ugly thing, it's so unfortunate?   And that was after he'd said he''s won it, and he's still being so crude and divisive?  And of course he'd never invite her onto his ticket, not with her baggage?  And he'll hire girls to work in his office, that'll show he respects women?  Listen, I can't blog right now, I am as angry over them awarding him four of her votes from MI I can't see straight.  And Donna, and Dean?  Well, it's saving me money, I'm not donating to the DNC.  


by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:21:05 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 6)

Point. of. diary. missed.


by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:24:04 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

point of previous comment, received.  


by anna shane on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:09:56 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 3)

Case in point. You're the one who apparently doesn't need us or the Democratic party.

So I guess you're just here to tell everyone how pissed you are and how nothing will ever change that and how you're not voting for Obama no matter what, etc., etc.

Okay, duly noted. No one's going to beg and plead for your vote. We'll just spend our time talking with everyone else who really does care about unity and keeping McCain out of the White House.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:33:33 PM EST
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Re: IYou figured it out (2.00 / 1)

Some - NOT ALL - want the Obama campaign to beg for their votes as if their candidate was the only one smeared and treated roughly.

I'm not going to rehash that crap again, but you know something, Anna, despite the fact that Obama won, there are still wounds on that side and with his supporters.

So forgive SOME of us right now if we're not in the begging mood.  To be honest, if some Obama supporters never reached the threshold where they don't ask for HRC supporters to come on over, I'd understand it.

It's your vote do with it what you want.  If you want to vote against your economic and social interests, go right ahead. If McSame wins in November you lose all right to bitch and the line I think many of you can't wait to utter:  "I told you so."


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:54:37 PM EST
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Re: IYou figured it out (none / 0)

Right now it is difficult for people like Anna and myself to see how the party represents our interests. Right now the party doesn't appear to be able to deliver on fairness.

The DNC decision on MI appears to be the deal breaker for some. There are a whole lot of reasons to have lost confidence in the party that have less to do with the nominee and a lot to do with the party.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 02:24:01 AM EST
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Re: IYou figured it out (none / 0)

This is a sentiment I understand, but I ask you a question in response?  How has the party wronged you?


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by LtWorf on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 07:55:58 AM EST
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Re: You figured it out (none / 0)

Sorry, I didn't see your statement about fairness?

Tell me what you deem to be fair?


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by LtWorf on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 08:34:25 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 4)

So, anna shane, what do you think Hillary's cause is, then?  Is it only get the presidency? That's the kind of thing I can't imagine a Clinton supporter would think (and nor do I).  But it is what's implied by your comments.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:38:29 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

since this has gone on, Barack has picked up many of her solutions and added them to his stump speech.  The eventual winner will have the benefit of knowing what the people want. I'd say that all candidates add to that, and the longer it goes on the more their issues get tested with voters.  Edwards moved everyone populist, and Hillary has moved Barack to embrace, if not credit, her plans and solutions.  When people behave respectfully and don't resort to bullying, the primary season does what it's supposed to do, energize voter for the fall and air issues to see what matters.  Remember when some of you were smearing her over K-L? Well now Barack has to say eh also thinks it's a terrorist organization.  It's about the integrity of our democracy, and the only chance the people get to weigh in.  Otherwise why not let the party insiders select the candidate, and we don't have to test drive him or let the rank and file have a voice.  


by anna shane on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:57:16 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 6)

Just don't be angry when we say "We told you so!" in November.

No, we'll be angry if ends up that you "Made it so" in November.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:34:29 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 7)

No, Hillary Supporters, like Hillary herself, will vote for the Democrat in November. Hillary 'supporters' will either sit home or vote for McCain. I'll let others decide whether or not they are "stupid" for doing so.

If Obama loses...it will be the fault of all Democrats for not getting out the vote. If Obama loses....all Democrats lose....and our nation will suffer for it.

Hillary will be fighting for the Democrats to win in November. Will you?


by Kysen on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:04:55 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

I didn't call anyone stupid. But it's pretty ghoulish that people like you are basically rooting for Obama to lose so you can some back on the internet and brag. Better to lose and be right then really try to win, right?

If Obama ends up getting fewer votes from Democrats than past nominees have, and loses any close states because of it, the "Hillary boycotters" certainly will be blamed for it--much the same way those who threw their votes away on Nader in 2000 are blamed.

(And those Nader voters who were so proud of their symbolic protest back then are pretty remorseful these days.)


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:06:49 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

Yes,I would root for him to lose. I think he is dangerous, a roll of the dice where the odds are against us. I don't know where he came from or who is the puppet master

Reading your bizarre, conspiratorial post, I can only conclude that you're either nuts or want people to think you are.

Oh, and a troll. Go join RedState and vote for McCain in good conscience as a republican.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:10:17 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

Again with "the party and the media" meme.

Which one of those manufactured his 1.5 million donors?

Which voted in the contests thus far?

Which told Hillary to not plan for anything post Feb. 5th?

Yeah, exactly.

Now, then, which gave Hillary a 100+ superdelegate lead to start with? The party.

Which had a "debate" that focused strictly on negative personal associations of one candidate for 50 consecutive minutes? The media.

Which fashioned a calendar that played to Hillary's advantages? The party.


by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:40:55 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

I don't know why you think Obama doesn't respect you. I know many women who support Obama and they definitely think he respects them.  If you could explain this a bit, perhaps we can talk it out.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:39:29 PM EST
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How many... (2.00 / 1)

male fatheads are there in your life?

He's running now as yet another male fathead.

Tell me, do you have any use for men?  

And what about the anger felt on the other side?  I was pissed as hell yesterday at the behavior of the Clinton 'supporters' at that meeting.  But there has to be peace in the party, or there will never be any justice.  Carrying hurt forward will do none of us, on either side, any good.

Because we need each other.  Divided we fail.

And somehow hoping that Hillary will win after McCain's first term is far from definite, either.


by Coach Jay on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:47:04 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

Someone earlier on another diary wrote (paraphrasing) she was tired of men with thin resumes getting the job rather than a woman who is smart, intelligent, and hardworking. I've been there and I've experienced that. I know how that feels.

Voters were never asked in exit polls if gender affected their vote like they were asked about race.

I think the democratic party has failed miserably  in this primary. As I've written before the silence on sexism has struck a nerve in me and a lot of other women. I don't believe the party leadership really supported Hillary's candidacy. I feel deceived by the stewards of the party.

Some women can accept the party's silence on sexism. I wish I could, but I feel if I do the party will continue to take women voters for granted and label us angry feminists.

In this primary the silence became a deal breaker for me. The Democratic party did not stand up for women in this primary.

I won't be able to stand with the party in the general election in November.


"No self-respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her." - Susan B. Anthony
by feelfree on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:54:50 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

I don't even understand your point.

Voters were never asked in exit polls if gender affected their vote like they were asked about race.

Those polls showing that race was a factor gave Clinton a consistent selling point to the superdelegates. She was able to get a good two months out of Obama's "white voter problem," and you're acting like the fixation on racial voting patterns was bad for her?

And this "job interview" analogy is absurd, yet it seems to be the mantra among Clinton supporters. She didn't have more experience than Senators like Biden or Dodd, so if you think that "resume" is all that matters, perhaps she should've sat it out and given her support to Biden.

Heck, Bill Clinton, as governor of a small state, had less national experience than Gephardt, Harkin or Tsongas, but back then, it seems we could ALL agree that resume isn't a magical golden ticket. You also have to campaign.

So if you really want to run amok with this "job interview" thing, then my answer is this: Clinton may have the thicker resume on paper, but she had a notable performance failure on her record, as well (Iraq). When your "boss" is the strongly anti-war Democratic electorate, that's kind of a big goof-up.

But more importantly, she didn't get the "job" because she came in overconfident and underprepared. She was so sure that she'd have the "job" handed to her, she declared herself inevitable and didn't do her homework. Meanwhile, someone else with a strong record of his own (albeit a slimmer one) outworked her, gave the better job interview, and convinced the "boss" that he would be the better hire in the long-term, despite Clinton's resume.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:22:01 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Actually, they were at the same time.  I small but measurable sample said yes.  However, that number was far smaller than the race issue.

I know I saw this posted back during the Penn election.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 09:51:49 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 5)

Cole's written another awesome diary, and it's on the Wreck list, ahead of one throwing flames. Awesome- I love it. :)

As I've said time and time again, if Clinton had dropped out after Wisconsin, it would have made winning in November much, much harder. Look at what we've accomplished over the last few months! Four million new voters registered, fundraising records shattered, you guys know the numbers.

But most important, we had the fightin'-est candidate put Senator Obama through his paces. Hell, if he can stand up to what Clinton put him through, he sure as hell is gonna romp all over John McCain.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:11:21 PM EST

I agree with this diary (2.00 / 6)

Still hurts though.


by Sieglinde on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:16:13 PM EST

Re: I agree with this diary (2.00 / 4)

I know.  I wrote a diary last week that helped me with that hurt.  I found a wonderful op-ed that really made me soul-search.  If you are interested:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/27/2125 57/815


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:18:43 PM EST
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Nice sentiment and all (2.00 / 2)

but 1) don't expect her to concede or endorse anytime soon - she might suspend her campaign to take the pressure off and allow the Party to attempt to put their "unity" process in place. 2) don't expect a significant portion of Hillary loyalists to roll over after being so thoroughly and utterly dismissed and disrespected - there remains an enormous reservoir of skepticism about Obama's real leadership capabilities out there. Obama is going to have work much harder to win this group over than Hillary would if she had to woo his loyalists (disclaimer: level MSM playing field and open-minded superdelegates notwithstanding (big leap)) The "loyal opposition" fueled by an engaged and informed electorate will continue the conversation until we are assured that your beloved "cause" can indeed be kept alive come January 2009.
by pan230oh on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:47:37 PM EST

Re: Nice sentiment and all (2.00 / 2)

it isn't "my" beloved cause - it is our cause, including Hillary's.

I believe Hillary will be able to inspire her supporters, which I am one of, and transform the anger into activists who will support the Democratic nominee and never let 'em forget that we will be making sure our voices are heard as well.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:55:42 PM EST
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Sometimes I sincerely believe... (2.00 / 1)

That a weak McCain presidency for four years followed by a Hillary bid in a much less fixed primary would be the best path for the party and the nation.  

Sometimes it's not about instant gratification.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:14:20 PM EST

Re: Sometimes I sincerely believe... (1.00 / 2)

"That a weak McCain presidency for four years followed by a Hillary bid in a much less fixed primary would be the best path for the party and the nation."

Very risky game to play!


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:36:25 PM EST
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Re: Sometimes I sincerely believe... (2.00 / 2)

I remember friends who thought a Reagan presidency would be good for the left in this country, so they didn't vote for Carter. That didn't work out very well, eh?  And neither did those who voted for Nader because they said the Democratic party was too moderate.

Keep in mind that people's lives are affected by politics and policy - That's my sig line and I take it very seriously. This is not a game. It's literally about health and illness, life chances, and life and death.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:42:34 PM EST
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Re: Sometimes I sincerely believe... (2.00 / 2)

Finally, truth!

The primary was fixed...for Hillary.

Hey, Hill, you want a 100+ superdelegate lead? Here ya go. Your supporters helping to fashion the calendar? Sure. The entire PA party machine behind you? Have at it. The leeway to repeatedly endorse John McCain to hurt your competition?

Why not?

And she still lost.


by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:40:45 PM EST
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Re: Sometimes I sincerely believe... (none / 0)

Although I disagree the election was fixed for Hillary, you at least raise specific points that support your argument, a sight for sore eyes at this point.

Uprated.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:26:52 AM EST
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Re: Sometimes I sincerely believe... (2.00 / 6)

Right, and George W. Bush wouldn't be any worse than Al Gore. Both are corporate whores. Let's vote for Ralph Nader so the Democrats remember the progressive base. That'll teach 'em.

I distinctly remember thinking this in 2000. That George W. Bush turned into the worst President in modern history only underscores how stupid short-term GOP voting is for a serious Democrat and progressive.


by elrod on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:42:23 PM EST
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Re: Sometimes I sincerely believe... (none / 0)

The sad thing is that many in the party didn't learn the right lesson from 2000.

Gore lost that race all on his own (well with the help of his handlers who took a decent human being and turned him into a wooden characiture) by not courting his base by not moving the party back to the left by continuing to embrace the doctrine of triangulation and attempting to battle the GOP on their ground rather than moving to where the votes were.

I'm so sick of people blaming 2000 on the people who voted Nader or on Nader himself. Gore lost the damned race by running the same ole centrist drivel that has been masquearading as Democratic ideology for the last 15 years.

If the party would stop moving to the right then people on the left wouldn't have to try and bring them back to our side of the debate.

But no we're expected to just tow the party line because what are we going to do vote republican? they know we won't so they keep going for the corporate money well enough already. We're about a day from defeating the right wing of the Democratic party and I look forward with Glee making the DLC irrelevant come November.


by Skex on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:12:32 AM EST
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A few points... (none / 0)

1)  It's not assured Senator Clinton gets a second bite at the apple since the Party isn't too fond of people who lose elections.

It is also not assured she would get "the other 17 million".  Also, Obama partisans might hold a grudge if there is evidence he lost because of a base collapse.

2) Rolling the dice on a McCain presidency probably results in a Democrat against the Republican VP (God forbid).  Mortality numbers for melanoma are high.  I get the general feeling that the strict ground rules for the 1200 page medical document dump aren't a good sign.

As a result, don't vote for Senator McCain unless you could vote for President Romney, President Jindal or President Pawlenty.  Any VP other than this would be VP crazy wingnut.

3) The non-reconciliation wing of the Clinton brand probably makes a Clinton VP appointment impossible. Since Senator Obama is hearing "no, we won't reconcile no matter what", why would he pick Senator Clinton when she wouldn't solve his problem with Clinton voters?  Doesn't he have to seriously consider getting his votes elsewhere with a Nunn or a Clark or a Bayh?


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 08:10:49 AM EST
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thank you for an excellent diary! (2.00 / 4)


by slinkerwink on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:16:43 PM EST

Yes.... (none / 0)

On to November, on to the White House.  All will be decided by the end of the week, and it will be then to turn our sights on the GOP


"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"
by xenontab on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:44:07 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Umm, how is Barack Obama a part of a racist organization? Is that because he got Senator Byrd's endorsement?

Or is this one of those Limbaugh-types who thinks black people being upset at discrimination is somehow reverse racism.

Consider yourself outed.


by elrod on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:44:28 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

I hope you were responding to another poster and not to my diary :(


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:06:02 PM EST
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must be a mistake (2.00 / 1)

elrod wouldn't write something like this.


by JJE on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:55:28 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

I think elrod misthreaded his/her response to Caliman's truly bizarre bleatings a couple comments up.


There had better be cheese at the end of this maze...
by LoosCanN on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:59:34 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

"I support Hillary Clinton.  I also support HER cause.  And that cause is to make sure a Democrat is elected to the White House this year."

The cause really has transcended into a cause of anti sexism/misogyny, so I would imagine you will continue to support her by writing her name on principle in November. Please take note of all the folks, especially those now calling for unity who used character assassination to attack Hillary and her supporters.  You know, I remember when the democratic party was a party of idealists and the thought of using sexist language and innuendo was considered a republican tactic. Oh, how times have changed.


by gorgias on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:52:04 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

This troll keeps posting the same thing over and over.


by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:55:15 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Comnpletely disagree.

Hillary's causes include a range of policies and political positions that John McCain would try to destroy. Helping McCain win betrays her.


by JoeW on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:56:00 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

I am a Hillary supporter and I didn't throw out any sexism or racist language.

I have written to the appropriate parties, if you had read my comments further upthread.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:07:07 PM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 2)

Excellent diary.

And as a long-time supporter of Hillary's (I've voted for her twice for Senate, and live near enough to her to have met her a couple of times) who decided that I preferred Obama as the Democratic candidate, I would have felt the same way if she had earned the nomination.

Diaries like this are so valuable at this time and place.


by JoeW on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:54:21 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Great Diary and very well written if I might say so.

A beam of light in the darkness.


by telfishbackagain on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:57:58 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Barack Obama is going to win because of Bob Byrd and Bob Barr

Bob Barr was trying to help Al Gore become President.


by nkpolitics on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:20:11 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Great diary, Cole.

I believe that Obama will be our Democratic nominee this upcoming week.

I'm not pushing for Hillary to withdraw, but if she does decide to end her run in the next few days, I would LOVE to see her join Obama in St Paul on Tuesday. It would be such a great step towards unity to see these two amazing candidates take the stage together, congratulate each other on a well-fought race, and pledge to work together to beat McCain in the fall. Probably wishful thinking on my part.


by jdusek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:21:18 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

Right on Cole.


by wasder on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:52:45 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

i think you are Obama supporter trying to trick Hillary supporters. Answer is no, you cannot trick us.


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:27:42 PM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 3)

maybe you should read my comments and history here before making such a ignorant statement.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:40:53 PM EST
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HIllary's is a lost cause (none / 0)

Honestly I would not have had a problem with Hillary finishing the race and competing vigorously to the end save for one thing.

This bunch of non-sense about MI and Florida. This disingenuous crap is worst than any thing she might have said about Obama it's worse than the "white people" gaff it's worse than endorsing McCain.

Because I expect a candidate to try to present themselves as superior to their competitor. That is expected and accepted.

What she is doing now is the most damaging thing she could have done to the party.

She's undermining not just our presumptive nominee but the entire Democratic party as a whole.

In her reckless attempt to win the parties nomination at any and all cost she and her supporters are attempting to undermine the very process by which we nominate our candidate and there for question the very legitimacy of the party itself.

This isn't throwing the kitchen sink this is burning down the apartment rather than allowing the new occupant to take up residence.

If there is a flaw in the Democratic nominating contest it is this.

The existence of superdelegates.

If there were no SD's this race would have done been over and no one would be making vapid arguments to the contrary.


by Skex on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:42:30 PM EST

Re: HIllary's is a lost cause (none / 0)

so you are going to blame Hillary for the SD's?  

come on....


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:51:03 PM EST
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Re: HIllary's is a lost cause (none / 0)

Um no. I blame Clinton for stirring up resentment wrt to the Florida/Michigan votes as well as her attempts to undermine the legitimacy of caucuses.

My comment on SD's is my own opinion separate from my opinion of Clinton's actions in this primary season. I further would not suggest changing the rules mid game as would those who pushed to seat MI and FL who I personally would have told to go suck eggs.

When my 4 year old does something he's been pointedly warned not to do there are consequences. When a state does the same I don't see why adults should be held to a lower standard.


by Skex on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:35:26 AM EST
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Re: HIllary's is a lost cause (2.00 / 1)

I think you ought to lighten up, Skex. Both sides took advantage of what you yourself admit is a flawed process.  Obama played his cards better, that's all.  As he has from the beginning.  I don't see anything inherently wrong in trying to interpret the rules in a way that works to your political benefit.  Some are just better at it than others.


by redwoodsummer on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:41:14 AM EST
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Re: HIllary's is a lost cause (none / 0)

There was no both sides in this.

Both sides agreed to the rules prior to the contests begining. But one side is trying to change those rules at the end of the game.

I find it telling that the only time Clinton takes a stand on a principle is when it benifits her.


by Skex on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:44:51 AM EST
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In a horrible year for the GOP, Barack is losing (1.20 / 5)

Save your smugness, Skex....you will be very humble come November. In the worst year imaginable for Republicans, "Barry" is running behind McCain in most trial heats.

We all know that momentum plays a huge role in the nominating contests; early on,the Democratic party embarked on a 48-state nominating process that eliminated MI and FL...talk about surreal! Had that not happened, Hillary Clinton would be the nominee right now.

I know, I'm playing the "what-if" game. But get used to it: after the elections, the Obam-orons will be wondering what would have happened if Barak and Michelle had never joined Trinity United (great church for a "uniter", don't ya think?) Good luck...the GOP slime machine is about to beat your candidate like a rented mule. And he will then fold like the $2 suitcase that he is.


by BJJ Fighter on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:30:24 AM EST
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Heh, I smell bitter Republican (none / 0)


by Slim Tyranny on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 07:45:51 AM EST
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Re: I support Hillary's cause (2.00 / 1)

I am a Hillary Clinton supporter. This party does not have a nominee yet. I support her right to fight for the nomination. I support her taking this fight to the convention.


by grlpatriot on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 08:15:35 AM EST

Re: I support Hillary's cause (none / 0)

I am a very proud supporter of Hillary Clinton. I will support her all the way. She is my leader, and I am really, really happy to be her supporter!
by optimisticBoy on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:00:51 PM EST


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