MyDD :: Vote your principles

Vote your principles

by gorgias, Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:41:39 PM EST

If Obama is ushered in as the democratic presidential candidate, let's all consider our principles when choosing who we vote of in the Nov election. When I use the word principle, I will remember how none of the DNC leaders spoke out against the disgusting sexism and misogyny directed towards one of their own, a startling and disappointing example of lack of loyalty, as one of the nominee was to be sacrificed. When the mass media began the sexist rants, numerously chronicled, and began declaring Obama the winner, lets not forget how many of those Obama supporter's (Randy Rhodes, Olbermann, etc) joined in the character assassinations. So my friends, you will have to choose between blind group loyalty as a principle and personal principle and we should ask ourselves whether we should reward those who sought to destroy someone we admire in a gloves off sexist, misogynistic assault. Those darrn principles, our core.

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Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 3)

If your pain and hurt is more important than ending the war and protecting the entire nation's civil rights, then your principles are worthless.

by Deadalus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:44:11 PM EST

I'll go with Abe Lincoln: (none / 0)

"I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live by the light that I have. I must stand with anybody that stands right, and stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong."

Abraham Lincoln

Please note the last 8 words!

by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:25:50 PM EST
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Re: I'll go with Abe Lincoln: (2.00 / 2)

Hopefully many Repugs will part from Mccain...Thanks

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:13:49 PM EST
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Ill go with the candidate who doesnt do this (none / 0)

This could be about the Obama healthcare plan, (which is almost identical) and this campaigns news coverage..

Its from 1994.

Columbia Journalism Review
The Selling of Clinton-lite

http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/9 4/2/clinton.asp

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
Confused by the 'Bailout' Lies?
Listen to NPR's The Giant Pool of Money

by architek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:53:02 PM EST
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I've asked about Jim Cooper at least (none / 0)

10 times here at MyDD and Obamaphiles ignore the question. Not one response - just crickets.

This guy is poison and they know it.

You are, indeed, judged by the company you keep...Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Cooper, Ayers.

Not a glowing judgment is it?

by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:18:53 PM EST
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Re: I've asked about Jim Cooper at least (none / 0)

Oh how easy it is to name controversial figures in people's past...Guilt by association at it's best...If this were the only metric used in determining a person's life we would all be dooooomed!!!

Thank goodness pessimistic people, like yourself, are few and far between.

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:23:32 PM EST
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Dooh! Jim Cooper is CURRENTLY (2.00 / 1)

OBAMA'S CHIEF ADVISER ON HEALTH CARE.

"Controversial figures in people's past"? I. don't Think. So.

Dooh!

by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:51:57 PM EST
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Re: Dooh! Jim Cooper is CURRENTLY (none / 0)

You're full of shit...David Cutler is Obama's Chief Advisor on Healthcare...Take your lies elsewhere..

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Campaign08/C ampaign08/tb/8743

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:09:17 PM EST
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So they've purged Cooper along with (none / 0)

Pfleger and Wright?

Wow!

A new page everyday in Obamaland!

by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:12:34 PM EST
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Re: So they've purged Cooper along with (none / 0)

I refuted and debunked your claim that Cooper was Obama's Chief Healthcare Advisor and all you can do is go scurry for another pathetic argument...Your style is weak...

I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?

by hootie4170 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:23:43 PM EST
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I have great style.... (none / 0)

Everyone had always told me! My new house to gorgeous. My clothes are pretty snazzy. Even I do OK for myself.

So you're saying that because I was mistaken about his title, Jim Cooper is not/has not been associated with Obama and Obama's Not Universal Health Care Plan?

by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:28:57 PM EST
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Re: I have great style.... (none / 0)

Obviously. You're anti-choice because you're no longer personally invested in reproductive rights. You're well-off, so now you support John McCain.

May you continue to be pampered in the style to which you are accustomed.

I have that readiness.

by Jess81 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 07:44:22 AM EST
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Thank you, I hope so - but I earned what I have... (none / 0)

no one gave me anything. How about you?

by CoyoteCreek on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 11:25:51 AM EST
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You're wright..Cooper is Obama's HC (2.00 / 1)

SPOKESPERSON...and proud of his attacks on Universal Health Care.

http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2008 /02/obama-uses-rep-jim-cooper-dino-tn-as .html

by CoyoteCreek on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:32:36 PM EST
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Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 4)

You said in a comment in another diary "Yes of course Clinton should be placed as underling" and here you "defend" her. Somehow the two don't jibe.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:45:21 PM EST

Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 4)

It would appear as though what we have here is an example of a McCain troll. One only interested in stirring up dissent amongst the Democratic ranks.
(I am, of course, speaking of gorgias. NOT VAAlex...who is a legit defender of Hillary Clinton.)

[ Support The Democratic Candidate ]

by Kysen on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:49:48 PM EST
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Re: Vote your principles/shmiciples (1.50 / 2)

It's so pathetic that the Obamatan's only argument against HRC commentary on this site is that we're nothing but GOP trolls. You Obamatans not only disrespected and abused our candidate at every turn, you insulted and alienated her supporters with your ideological zealotry. Your side has spewed hate and intolerance throughout the primaries and now you expect HRC supporters to smile and fall in line. Give me a break! You guys sound like abusive husbands who are now angry cause we ain't buying your BS!

And to hear Howard Dean express on ABC his "heartfelt indignation" at the sexism and misogyny spewed at HRC throughout this primary is laughable!

Mr. Dean, if you as DNC Chair didn't feel the need to call off your misogynist dogs during this primary, why bother now? Your new-found conscious is disingenuous and slimy. Go away, you pathetic little man!

by trixta on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:32:51 PM EST
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Re: Vote your principles/shmiciples (2.00 / 1)

It's not the only argument. In fact, it's not even the vast majority of the argument. Most Obama supporters on here are reasonable -- if passionate -- people, as are Hillary supporters.

By the way you say that you feel disrespected but then turn around and disrespect those same Obama supporters. Regardless of whether you have a legitimate beef or not is irrelevant since it diminishes your argument to use the very same 'zealotry' that you're railing against.

"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."

by VAAlex on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:39:38 PM EST
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There is a diary on the list that (2.00 / 1)

that seems like your kind of thing, it talks about McClinton supporters...

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:47:52 PM EST

Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 2)

99.9% of Obama supporters don't have a sexist or misogynist bone in their bodies. But John McCain is hoping you see Obama and his supporters as the enemy, that's for sure.

by mattw on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:48:54 PM EST

LOL. (2.00 / 3)

If your principles lead you to vote for McCain, so be it.

The rest of the country will just see it for what it is, though: being a loyal Republican.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:49:15 PM EST

Re: LOL. (none / 0)

Sticks and stones . . . . HRC supporters will not allow themselves to be abused by you Obamatans. Kissing your candidate's ass is neither dignified nor honorable. Your side has done NOTHING to deserve our respect or vote.

by trixta on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:38:16 PM EST
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Re: LOL. (none / 0)

The irony of you speaking of respect whilst throwing the tantrum you are on this thread is delicious.

Thanks for my ~~4th~~ 40th laugh of the day from a Hillary 'supporter' (ie: one whose behavior does NOTHING to actually support Hillary).

The vast majority of Hillary Supporters do her proud. You could learn something from them (starting with learning to voice your opinion without resorting to childish name calling).

by Kysen on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:24:20 PM EST
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Re: LOL. (none / 0)

Just to be extra sure that I am clear....I believe that there is, indeed, a HUGE difference between a Hillary 'supporter' and a Hillary Supporter. The latter actually supports Hillary Clinton! Whereas the 'supporters' only goal is to stir division within the Democratic Party....something Hillary herself would be ashamed to have done in her name.

by Kysen on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:28:22 PM EST
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i completely agree... (2.00 / 3)

if you have democratic principles, then you should vote for and support the democratic nominee. if you have republican priniciples, then you should vote for and support the republican nominee. but if the latter is true, you support mccain (regardless of the reason) then why are you here?

this site supports and helps democratic candidates. if that mandate is against your principles, you should really take it elsewhere...

"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama

by bored now on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM EST

Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 1)

Lord knows I have always voted my principles and values .

Even if I go up the dixie highway into the hills that would never change.

However the voice of freedom sings through the land and you are free to do what you like.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:51:14 PM EST

the dixie highway??? (none / 0)

i always seem to live pretty close to the dixie highway...

"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama

by bored now on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:18:28 PM EST
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Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 1)

What sort of principle underlies, "I don't like what Chris Matthews said about Hillary so I'm going to vote for McCain"? C'mon, this is silly. If Clinton's supporters have any doubt whom they should vote for (and I'll concede that's legitimate) I hope they'll tune into one hour of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Don Savage any day of the week. That will bring you your moment of clarity. And if you won't do this, well, the Limbaughs, Hannitys, and Savages of the world will still be there.

by IncognitoErgoSum on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:53:18 PM EST

hahahahahahaha (2.00 / 1)

Man, what sounded like a reasonable diary (based on the title) really careened off into absurdity.

I don't appreciate you yanking my chain like that, but thanks for the laughs.

by Slim Tyranny on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:02:11 PM EST

Re: hahahahahahaha (none / 0)

Never underestimate the value of a good laugh!
I'm sure that there will be many more to be had from the McCain trolls till we win in November! :)

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by Kysen on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:08:32 PM EST
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Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 3)

These get more and more hilarious.

"I don't like how Hilary has been treated, so I'm going to help out Mr. John 'How do we beat the bitch' - 'That's an excellent question' McCain."

Making LOTS of sense there.

by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:08:02 PM EST

Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 2)

I am voting my principles. I will write in Hillary.

by orion1 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:34:41 PM EST

Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 1)

Amen!

by trixta on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:39:14 PM EST
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Re: Vote your principles (2.00 / 1)

Buzz I will help Hillary by helping McCain who said "How do we beat the bitch?" was an excellent question and mocked Chelsea Clinton's physical appearance when she was a child Buzz

DOES NOT COMPUTE.
DOES NOT COMPUTE.
DOES N--

(brain explodes)

by Reeves on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:39:53 PM EST
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This Time... (none / 0)

I'm going to make a statement with my vote to the democratic party...

NO YOU CAN'T....

You can't have 60% of the party (women) being treated like trash.

So that is MY principal this year

obama becomes the nominee.

IF ANYONE TROLL RATES ME FOR SPEAKING MY MIND I WILL TROLL RATE YOU BACK.

by nikkid on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:59:25 PM EST

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