MyDD :: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico

Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico

by Josh Orton, Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:03:23 PM EST

CNN called it as soon as the polls closed.

Results here as they trickle in.

Update [2008-6-1 15:56:0 by Todd Beeton]:Results:

Hillary Clinton: 68 percent
Barack Obama: 32 percent

With 1% of precincts reporting a/o 1:06 PM Eastern

Update [2008-6-1 15:21:29 by Todd Beeton]:The CNN exit polls show a landslide. Just a quick glance would seem to indicate a 30 or so point victory for Clinton today. Any word on turnout?

Update [2008-6-1 15:27:11 by Todd Beeton]:Fox News is reporting lower than expected turnout.

Turnout could also be less than what Clinton had hoped for — 300,000 to 400,000, rather than the 500,000 to 600,000 that had originally been projected. Kenneth McClintock, the Puerto Rico Senate president, said that he was hearing late reports that voting had picked up. He said 20 percent turnout would be about 460,000 voters.

Turnout reportedly picked up later on in the day but 20% is pretty sad. Still, if turnout is 500k, a 30 point win would still mean netting 150k votes. Fox reports that speculation was that Clinton may net 15 delegates out of today.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Election 08 (all tags)

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She can exit with dignity n/t (2.00 / 0)

by parahammer on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:05:19 PM EST

Re: She can exit with dignity n/t (none / 0)

Just so you know, she could've exited with dignity after West Virginia or Kentucky. Or Pennsylvania. Or Ohio. :)

by Yalin on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:28:49 PM EST
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Re: She can exit with dignity n/t (none / 0)

It was never about Hillary exiting with dignitiy.

It was about Ickes exiting with none.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:34:12 PM EST
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Re: She can exit with dignity n/t (none / 0)

The man lost a kidney and hearing in one ear working for civil rights in the South. I doubt he cares what you consider dignity.

by souvarine on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:42:38 PM EST
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I don't see why she should have (none / 0)

Those in SD, MT, and PR who wanted to vote for her as a living candidate would have been able to do so even though supporters in other states had that ability.

by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:41:30 PM EST
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Re: I don't see why she should have (none / 0)

I was just responding to the first poster who said "now she can exit with dignity."

That dignity bit was obviously something that could've occurred after her other big victories.

shrug

That said, I'm just glad it's over, Obama's the nominee, and we can move on to hammering McCain and getting him into the White House this coming November.

by Yalin on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:02:45 PM EST
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Re: I don't see why she should have (none / 0)

Err, him meaning Obama, not McCain. :)

by Yalin on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:03:37 PM EST
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Why is turnout so Low? (none / 0)

It's not a work day and weather is clear?

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:57:22 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

CNN shows her winning by 50 points. If turnout is low, it may not matter.

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:05:29 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

She is not winning by 50 points.

by sweet potato pie on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:07:55 PM EST
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CNN Exit Polls (none / 0)

Has Clinton winning by a 70-30 margin. It's the same margin for both male and female. We'll see how accurate the exit polls are. On the down side, turnout was low and may not surpass 500,000 or 25 percent.

Dizzy Zzyzzy

by Zzyzzy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:18:31 PM EST
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Re: CNN Exit Polls (none / 0)

I thought we could just discount their primary all together.

Flashlights rc helicopter video game

by anasky123 on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 03:34:09 AM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Congratulations, Hillary! This bodes well for your Senate re-election campaign. Even if some NYers turn against you, you can count on NY PRs supporting you.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:08:39 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 1)

What data do you possess that declares that Clinton is losing support in NY???

by Liberty on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:14:05 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (1.00 / 2)

Oh, I know lots of political folks there and there is talk on the ground...and my contacts are all Hillary Clinton supporters.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:21:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 1)

No, I asked for data...you are the professed educator..come on now..provide the evidence..

by Liberty on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:23:08 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

There haven't been any polls as far as I know, so you can consider that being "without data" when it comes to public opinion. And I doubt that Clinton would be defeated in a primary. However, I can tell you that there is real worry in NY political circles about what they are picking up in terms of increased dislike toward HRC.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:49:42 PM EST
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Hillary unpopular in NY? (none / 0)

I live in upstate NY and she's more popular than ever here. People who didn't vote for her in 2000 are now big supporters. You must live in an Obama enclave like Park Slope.

by laternighter on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:55:17 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Sounds anecdotal to me.
Link or slink.

by bluestatedude on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:49:19 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Not all information is linkable...even in this day and age.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:50:09 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

I am certain though as per your MO that you will spam in the upcoming days the superdelegate endorsements as off topic data in every single diary.

by Liberty on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:03:45 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

There are polls showing that they'd like her to drop out but that's not really the same thing.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:26:08 PM EST
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If you were a Clinton supporter, (none / 0)

that remark would be hide/troll rated as racist.

by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:39:08 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

No idea what turnout is, but if its respectable, and a big win, the popular win could be pretty big.

by Jaz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:09:30 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Wow! What an old electorate! 41% were over 60.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:10:09 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 1)

Where would you want to retire?

by matchles on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:13:13 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 2)

Me? Probably a college town.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:21:57 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

I'm with you there, I'll probably audit college courses forever.

by matchles on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:28:09 PM EST
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Not me. I live in one. (2.00 / 2)

by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:37:33 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 1)

Puerto Rico sounds like a great place to retire :)

sun, surf, island life....

sigh...

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:22:13 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

This is certainly the turning point that proves that the Obama campaign is in its last throes.

I am sure of it.

Viva Hillary.

</snark>

by turnover on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:14:12 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Terry McAullife said that he expects to win 2 to 1. Either the exit polls are EXTREMELY flawed on this one, or she's gonna win big. Now she can leave on a high note. Plus, if we're going to play the pop. vote game, then count the Dems. Abroad primary which he won handily.

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:14:55 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

exit polls show 41% are age 60+

yep, it's hers alright.

sigh

by Monolithic on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:16:36 PM EST

Sorry the old folks are dying off quickly enough (none / 0)

to suit you.

by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:36:34 PM EST
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At lest older voters care enough to show up (none / 0)

and vote. Their vote will be very important in the November election. Let's see if the younger ones follow through in the fall. Remember the 1972 election and how McGovern with all his dedicted younger support lost big.

by laternighter on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:10:58 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Congrats to Hillary and supporters.

John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!

by proseandpromise on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:20:23 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

sigh. As if Clinton needed yet another excuse to not concede until Denver.

Ah well, congrats to her and her supporters.

by Aris Katsaris on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:22:28 PM EST

numbers (none / 0)

So how far will Obama be from clinching after today?

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:22:55 PM EST

Re: numbers (none / 0)

MSNBC says 49.5 delegates away from getting the nomination.

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:12:35 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

If she wins by 50 points, Obama MUST put her on the ticket.

by nzubechukwu on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:22:56 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 0)

"If she wins by 50 points, Obama MUST put her on the ticket. "

Who knew PR, a territory which won't even get to vote in November, would get to choose the Democratic VP?

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:25:06 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Yeah! That will help us win PR in the GE (if they voted).

by Becky G on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:35:46 PM EST
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If turnout was 400,000 as reported... (none / 0)

70% of 400K=280K

30% of 400K=120K

Net=160K

Is it possible it will be offset by Obama's big wins upcoming in SD and MT?

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:23:07 PM EST

Re: If turnout was 400,000 as reported... (none / 0)

Dear Europe,

On behalf of the Democratic Party of the United States of America, allow me to say that the fact we are are discussing the electoral power of:
a) Puerto Rico
b) South Dakota
c) Montana
all the while discussing
d) vote infranchisement as it relates to CSPAN-aired smoke-filled backroom deals over party delegate alotment bylaw discussions
... just goes to show that even here, in the new world, we can make whatever THERE that created Andorra, Lichtenschtien and Vatican City and granted those little plots of parking lot worldwide importance seem like NOTHING in comparison.

ONCE AGAIN, USA DOES IT BETTER! WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:32:26 PM EST
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electoral power of: (none / 0)

Actually, the nomination was decided when Hillary had no post Super Tuesday strategy and lost 11 in a row. Since then we've just been playing out the string and stoking her vanity.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:31:49 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Don't you know that the road to the White House runs through Puerto Rico? Oh wait, they can't vote in the general election. Time to move the goal posts yet again!!

by Steve24 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:24:07 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico/snark (none / 0)

oh wait...they're american citizens. crap. I thought we could just discount their primary all together.

back to the drawing board.

by alyssa chaos on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:55:04 PM EST
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So are caucus state voters. (none / 0)

HRC's current argument is a purely pragmatic one: "Ignore the delegate counts and focus on who has the best GE odds according to some polls."

The heavy focus of late on this argument is the reason for grandparent's snark. PR has no place in any such discussion about the GE because they don't vote. Be careful: HRC's camp can't appear to care too much about the overall will of every citizen, as Obama has clearly won that measure.

by semiquaver on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:21:00 PM EST
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The exit polls are striking (none / 0)

Very little differences by gender (none, actually), age, education, or income. All the things we've been told really matter in the US. Another striking result: 83% favorable opinion of Bill Clinton.

by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:24:40 PM EST

83% favorable opinion of Bill Clinton (none / 0)

Still exploiting her husband's repution to the bitter end.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:29:44 PM EST
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Lovely. Thanks for the sentiment, Kossack. (none / 0)

by lombard on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:34:23 PM EST
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I haven't blogged at Kos since 2006, (none / 0)

when I was hounded out of the place for criticizing Obama. (That was back when he was criticizing Democrats for not being enough like Republicans, or so I saw it.)

I also can't stand all the orange.

So try again, little McCainiac.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:28:12 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Retire to Puerto Rico?

Not me.

I like the island Manhattan
Smoke on your pipe
And put that in!

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:25:11 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 2)

Why are they trying to push Obama out of the Puerto Rico primary. Count all the votes!!!

John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!

by proseandpromise on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:25:15 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Sorry. I tried to be nice in the first post, but this was floating around in my head, and I couldn't resist.

John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!

by proseandpromise on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:28:45 PM EST
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Congratulations! (none / 0)

By the by I wanted to tell you something very important! John McCain voted to filibuster the minimum wage. John McCain doesn't support the troops. John McCain agrees with Bush's Iraq strategy. John McCain wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. John McCain supports NAFTA. John McCain is a puppet for the lobbyists. John McCain is fine letting our troops rot in Iraq for 100 years.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:27:53 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

I notice more males than females voted.
Did this happen in in any State?

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:28:28 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Can anyone tell me why Puerto Rico has that many delegates?

by wengler on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:28:57 PM EST

They get a small bonus... (none / 0)

for being willing to wait so long. Other than that, no idea.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?

by Elsinora on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:36:07 PM EST
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Re: They get a small bonus... (none / 0)

The number of delegates isn't based on population, but on a wide range of factors plus some negotiation. For example, states that voted Democrat in the last few general elections get more delegates than states that didn't. And states that go later in the primary process are rewarded with extra delegates. I've also heard that Puerto Rico has extra delegates to compensate them for not having any general election vote.

by laird on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:58:32 PM EST
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Re: They get a small bonus... (none / 0)

PR has population too - about 4 million. If it were a state, it would be about in the middle of the population rankings.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:40:45 PM EST
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Re: They get a small bonus... (none / 0)

You're right - I meant to write "not based juston population"

by laird on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:30:34 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

ROSALIA
Hundreds of flowers
in full bloom.

ANITA
Hundreds of people
in each room!

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:36:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Hillary doesn't complain. What a strange sig line.

just say it: Medicare for All

by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:01:04 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 1)

Obama's votes and his supporters don't matter. Not when the race is this tight. There was not one single person in Michigan who voted for Obama. Terry Mcauliffe's word is the gospel.

by Steve24 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:31:34 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

I'm only kidding. I hope everyone knows that. =)

by Steve24 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:34:09 PM EST
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It's sad... (none / 0)

snark and seriousness are getting harder and harder to distinguish these days.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?

by Elsinora on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:37:10 PM EST
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Want my apology NOW (2.00 / 1)

Terry McAuliffe is on tv right now bashing Obama. I want my apogy NOW. Why won't Clinton condemn him!!!! Why is he allowed to bash and belittle me without penalty

I won't vote for her

Wah, wah wah.

by monkeyga on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:36:20 PM EST

Re: Want my apology NOW (none / 0)

He's just upset that history will remember him the way history remembers the people who ran the DNC prior to Wilson, or FDR, or Kennedy or, uh, Clinton.

Anyway, DNC 2000-2004: truly the golden years. Thanks Terry. Great job. Go start a lobbying firm and disappear now, kay thanks.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:39:26 PM EST
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Re: Want my apology NOW (none / 0)

His record of experience and leadership:

2002:

Senate: Republicans picked up 2 seats
House: Republicans picked up 8 seats

2004:

Senate: Republicans picked up 4 seats
House: Republicans picked up 3 seats
President: George W. Bush won

On the positive side, he so mismanaged the party that it gave rise to the netroots, gave a boost to MoveOn, and helped spur the rise of the people-powered movement. So we have at least that much to thank him for.

"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"

by LordMike on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:41:24 PM EST
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Re: Want my apology NOW (none / 0)

are you Obama? otherwise, your post makes no sense - how does Terry's statements about Obama belittle you?

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:42:54 PM EST
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20% sad? (2.00 / 1)

You do realize that in PR, that means 20% of ALL voters, since there are no registered Dems/Reps.

by DaveOinSF on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:37:08 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (2.00 / 1)

Did anyone else just see Donna Brazile basically say she'd vote for Hillary Clinton if that'll shut her up? She seems really irritated with the Clinton campaign...

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:37:13 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

she hasn't really distinguished herself this election cycle

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:40:53 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

This could be an interesting strategy to try to appeal to the remaining superdelegates.

by Mullibok on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:52:59 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Congratulations to the Clinton campaign.

by rfahey22 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:41:30 PM EST

Obama's not lookin' so good. (none / 0)

From the NYT:

In many ways, Mr. Obama is wheezing across the finish line after making a strong start: He has won only 6 of the 13 Democratic contests held since March 4, drawing 6.1 million votes, compared with 6.6 million for Mrs. Clinton.

by Ed J on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:50:01 PM EST

Re: Obama's not lookin' so good. (none / 0)

Yes, and if you scheduled the Boshwash states last, he would be "coming on strong" at the end. That quote is a fairly superficial observation.

by rfahey22 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:53:35 PM EST
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But conversely, if the schedule... (none / 0)

were reversed he wouldn't have had the "strong start" and may never have been a contender for the nomination.

You can't play the "what if" game.

The fact is, he's wheezing.

by Ed J on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:24:18 PM EST
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Re: But conversely, if the schedule... (none / 0)

Ok, you got me. Both narratives are superficial and miss the bigger picture.

by rfahey22 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:30:14 PM EST
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No. (none / 0)

It isn't superficial that Obama's struggling late. The general election is in November. It did not take place in April.

by Ed J on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:44:15 PM EST
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Re: No. (none / 0)

They both win states that are demographically suited to them and lose states outside of their comfort zone. Obama will likely win the last two states, so this artificial narrative is largely an exercise in line-drawing.

by rfahey22 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:52:31 PM EST
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Re: But conversely, if the schedule... (none / 0)

The bigger picture is, lets hope the R's are as weak as they seem, and the D's can find a way toput the party back together soon.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:47:59 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (1.00 / 2)

OMG Game-changer!!!!

Hill's in it to whine it!

Denver Denver Denver!!!

John McCain, John McCain, John McCain!!!!

All the boyz who tried to keep her quiet, see you next tuesday when she whines it again!

by Deadalus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:53:42 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

oh please stop it.

you realize that republicans used the "Gore cry-baby" and "Gore is whining" during the recount?

just stop it.

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:55:12 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

If Gore was half as good at WHINING as Hill, he'd be the President now.

But it takes a Clinton to Whine after a Bush!

by Deadalus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:57:15 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

I am not an expert on public relations, but I am pretty sure childish taunting is not the most effective way to win over defeated opponents - or anybody, for that matter.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:55:25 PM EST
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I wonder (none / 0)

How much did the Clinton Campaign spend on PR? I'm concerned over how deep in the hole they already were. To go deeper into debt at this stage, to win a TERRITORY, yikes! Money not well spent.

I was with Obama from the start.

by SpanishFly on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:55:36 PM EST

Re: I wonder (none / 0)

probably not that much. PR is not an expensive media market.

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:58:19 PM EST
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15 days (none / 0)

Other supporters of her here were crowing about her 15 days in the territory. That is an awful lot of time to be spending somewhere that doesn't even vote in November.

by monkeyga on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:00:08 PM EST

Re: 15 days (2.00 / 1)

from what I understand, the island is split between becoming a state or staying the status quo.

so, it is good relations to have PR in our primary and to have folks campaign there. I bet they were excited, because I doubt they never had any attention spent on them before like this

in fact, despite our bitching about this primary, I think it was good to get all of the states and territories involved.

by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:02:12 PM EST
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Re: 15 days (none / 0)

they are american citizens and they deserve to have their voices heard, at the very least.

by alyssa chaos on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:02:52 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Hillary had a blow out, college educated, student, kids, every single demographic. She is showing her momentum, something she had to show to the supers. I'm so glad that I've backed such a great candidate, who can draw from all demographics. She polls so far ahead of McCain. She'd be the best candidate we could put forth, and I hope she'll make it. the super's are supposed to consider other factors when neither meets the threshold without any supers, I'd say their job is now to vote for her.

just say it: Medicare for All

by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:04:34 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Okay... she blew him out in a territory that doesn't even vote in the General. He's beaten her in those same demographics in different states. Why would the superdelegates overturn the pledged delegates and vote for Hillary. Not gonna happen. By Wednesday, Obama will be the nominee.

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:09:04 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

It's really funny to hear how she claims his votes don't count. I've never heard her say any such thing, but I have heard these things from his supporters, like right now. DC doesn't count either. More than half PR's lived in the states and they can vote when they live in the states. And they want statehood. And they're people, and democrats, and Americans.

just say it: Medicare for All

by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:12:57 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

"DC doesn't count either."

actually it does, it gets 3 electoral votes and its votes do count.

"And they want statehood."

really, because every time there was an option for statehood the puerto ricans said no, they want to remain a territory. (and they'd be insane to want statehood, the economic benefits they get from remainng a territory but not a state are huge)

"Americans."

well actually, they're puerto ricans

by Monolithic on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:18:15 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

It shows another GE competitive demographic Obama has a lot of trouble with, Hispanics. Hispanic Americans are not homogeneous, but Hillary Clinton beat Obama by wide margins across the country among Hispanics. Even in New Mexico, where Obama was otherwise competitive.

by souvarine on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:11:38 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton Wins Puerto Rico (none / 0)

But that's in a primary. In a general election against McCain, Obama has shown he can carry Hispanic voters.

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:13:50 PM EST
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If Obama doesn't carry Hispanics in the General Election then he loses. He has to do at least as well as Kerry's 53% to win the Southwestern states he will need.

by souvarine on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:23:51 PM EST
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yes, and a big population in swing states and many who vote independent. I think Hispanics are less sexist, they're used to strong hard working women. Also, she's nice and that means a lot to normal people.

just say it: Medicare for All

by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:14:17 PM EST
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You type as if the superdelegates are some mass voting block who will all make the same decision.

They won't. It will be a split.

by KyleJRM on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:13:45 PM EST
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and if he can't close the deal, some may switch back to Hillary.

just say it: Medicare for All

by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:15:05 PM EST
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anna, I don't think you realize that out of the 200+ superdelegates left, after Tuesday, Obama will only need a couple dozen to win. Even if 90% of the remaining supers voted for Clinton, he would still win.

by politicalfan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:20:12 PM EST
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I think Anna's point is that the term "remaining supers" assumes that those votes are locked in, once they declare a preference. That is simply not the case, and a few have switched already - mostly from Clinton to Obama.

Realistically, if Obama looks at least minimally competitive with McCain by the convention, there won't be many defections to Clinton - more likely the other way around, as pols climb onto the band wagon. On the other hand, if he makes several major flubs, or some new bombshell scandal comes out, he could look really weak, at which point the supers would have to take a hard look at changing course.

Ironically, by staying in the race, and by suspending rather than ending her campaign, Clinton may be protecting Obama from the right wing attack machine. If they are sitting on some opposition research nuggets, waiting for her to drop out, they may have to wait until after the convention, when they would have less time to push whatever crap they have ready, and the Dems are more likely to be united, and able to fight any swiftboating. Recall that Kerry lost the 2004 election in the month before the convention, due to the SBVT.

Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.

by itsthemedia on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:12:16 PM EST
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"some" and "may" isn't nearly enough at this point.

by KyleJRM on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:25:37 PM EST
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15 delegates- are you sure? (none / 0)

Somehow DNC will find a way to make it 10.

by ann0nymous on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:15:56 PM EST

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It is a testament to the strength of Clinton as a candidate that she can win in primaries long after the nomination slipped away from her.

It's great for the Democratic Party to have two candidates of such strength and electability.

by KyleJRM on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:26:22 PM EST