The United Church of Christ

I am a long time member of a United Church of Christ congregation.

There are some here who are happy about Obama cutting ties with Trinity UCC, and I have to say that I am hurt by this development.

I've never been to Trinity UCC.  I think I've spent six hours of my life in Chicago, not counting time spent at the airport or Greyhound station.  I can't speak about any specific churches in the denomination, because we take a congregational approach and each congregation is independent, and local churches set their own theological policies.  However, there are a few things about the denomination as a whole that I would like to share.

We are inclusive.  We believe that God is Still Speaking.

As a denomination, we support marriage equality. I'm fairly certain that we are the only mainline protestant denomination to take such a stand.

We were involved in founding the environmental justice movement.

Note- we are quite a bit different from the Churches of Christ, which tend to be very conservative.

In general, we are allies to progressives.

I was delighted when I learned that Howard Dean is a member.  I was delighted when I learned that the Obamas are (were) members.  I'm pained to learn that it has been determined that the UCC is too much baggage.

I'm not asking people here to support Trinity UCC, as I've said, I can't speak for that congregation.  I'm asking people here to recognize and support their allies.

Thanks for reading.  This is a first diary, so please let me know if I violated some community norms.  I am happy to edit.



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Re: The United Church of Christ (2.00 / 2)

I think you mistake what happened.

Obama resigned from TRINITY United Church of Christ.

That doesn't mean he would seek out another church.  It just means he is distancing himself from this particular church in light of the problems it has caused him, and he has caused it.  In their defense, Obama didn't want his presidency to cause undue stress and harrassment of TUCC members, and in his defense, some members of TUCC clergy weren't exacty respecting Obama by hyping up the rhetoric when they knew their live streams were being watched.


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by Tommy Flanagan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:55:13 PM EST

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I understand that dimension.  Like I said, I'm not familiar with Trinity UCC and had never heard of it until this Wright mess became public.  

I hope the Obamas will find another welcoming church, maybe another UCC church.  I'm just feeling sad about this entire situation.


by GreenHills on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:08:17 PM EST
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I am agnostic - I would rather we didn't have any religion talk as a measure in selecting candidates.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:56:16 PM EST

I hear you. (none / 0)

I certainly don't choose candidates for their theological positions.  I'm hurt because I feel like some here are failing to recognize their allies who support progressive causes.

It's been a little painful here to read about a UCC church as the villain.


by GreenHills on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:04:16 PM EST
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It has been unfair to Trinity... (2.00 / 2)

and I think he has done them a favor by resigning his membership. Now they can go back to doing the good things that they do without having to worry about finding themselves portrayed poorly on 24-hour news stations.

Politics is the reason that people who would normally be praising the good that Trinity does are now attacking it. Separation of church and state is a good policy in both directions.


by Liberal Monk on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:29:50 PM EST
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Re: It has been unfair to Trinity... (2.00 / 1)

That is a thoughtful comment and an angle that had not occurred to me. Thank you.


by GreenHills on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:38:49 PM EST
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But that is the great thing about America..we can choose our people anyway we want and discuss them as we see fit.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:29:36 PM EST
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I think if Obama picks a church in Washington, he may well pick a UCC denomination.


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by vcalzone on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:58:41 PM EST

Re: The United Church of Christ (2.00 / 2)

Thank you for you sincerity about your feelings for your church. I wish you continued faithfulness in your church fellowship. It would be helpful to keep reminding those of us who believe in Christ that "there is no black church and there is no white church; there is only the Christian church". If we follow and adhere to the Golden Rule, maybe, just maybe, we will live to see fairness and justice practiced all over.


by Actright on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:00:41 PM EST

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I'm ambivalent about religion, but for the sake of my children I looked into joining a denomination, the UCC was the only one I considered.

Passionate good people are members of the UCC and their policy of inclusion is the prime attraction.


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:09:30 PM EST

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Theologically, I'm probably more agnostic than anything.  I couldn't care less whether or not God exists.  I think it is good for the soul to believe in something, and I find that it helps me to live a good life to find an intergenerational community full of people who are trying to live a good life and be good to their fellow humans.  

That's why I'm a church member.  I'm happy for anyone who finds a community that they may enrich and be enriched by.  I've been lucky enough to find that at a UCC church, and I hope you may find a community for your family.


by GreenHills on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:35:46 PM EST
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Same here... (none / 0)

That's why I joined First Community Church in Columbus, Ohio, six years ago.


by KTinOhio on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:00:36 PM EST
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other UCC politicians (none / 0)

Howard Dean
Bob Graham, former U.S. Senator, Florida
Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:12:57 PM EST

Re: The United Church of Christ (2.00 / 1)

I don't have much to add, but sincere, calmly stated diaries are always nice these days.


by OrangeFur on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:13:48 PM EST

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Thank you for your kind words.


by GreenHills on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:36:03 PM EST
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I don't think he dropped out of the UCC (none / 0)

it was just that Trinity was becoming a distraction to him and he was becoming a distraction to Trinity. There are UCC congregations in DC right?


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by heresjohnny on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:31:24 PM EST

What the UCC reaction was from one top official (2.00 / 1)

Rev. Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite is president of Chicago Theological Seminary, where she's been a professor of theology at the seminary for 20 years and director of its graduate degree center for five years.  This is what she wrote in the Washington Post.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai th/susan_brooks_thistlethwaite/2008/05/p fleger_bully_in_the_pulpit.html

I preached the first service at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago last Sunday. Rev. Michael Pfleger preached later that day.
I preached a sermon about how a sacred conversation on race has to have Christ at the center.

Father Pfleger, as America now knows, preached a very different message on race, one I greatly resent.

We in the United Church of Christ are trying to have what we call "A Sacred Conversation on Race" and I did not find Pfleger's sermon to represent what we in the UCC are trying to do in having a sacred conversation.

Instead, Pfleger's sermon was a bullying rant that was disrespectful of the members of Trinity United Church of Christ, disrespectful of Senator Hillary Clinton and really also disrespectful of Senator Obama and his consistent message of finding common ground.

This political campaign season often seems to me to be a kind of cultural theater, where we are seeing the end of one kind of politics, the politics of polarization (and even the religion of polarization) coming to an end and a new politics and religion of unity trying to break through. I have been reading Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America by Rick Perlstein, and this excellent book describes this historical trajectory we have experienced since 1972.

The idea that you should inflame people's hatred of one another as a way to mobilize voters has been dominant since 1972 and very powerful. But it has produced near paralysis in Washington and disastrous foreign policy. But hate dies hard and while people want to find unity, they can easily fall back into divisive rhetoric, especially when it is disguised as humor. This is bad at a dinner party; in the pulpit it is shameful and wrong.

As a woman, I was offended by Pfleger's mocking of Senator Clinton for showing emotion. Women in leadership get this double-whammy all the time; you have to be strong and not show emotion to be seen as a leader and when you don't show emotion people say you are cold and unfeeling. I had hoped that stereotype of women had died in the 1970's, but apparently not for Pfleger.

It is clear that Pfleger belongs to the old politics and religion of division. This is not a matter of age, particularly, but of mindset. Apparently the way Pfleger understands race or gender is through conflict and opposition, not through unity, common ground and certainly not as "sacred".

Dr. Dwight Hopkins, a faculty member at the Divinity School of the University of Chicago and member of Trinity UCC offered a similar analysis of Pfleger's sermon last Sunday. The Catholic priest's charged remarks reflect an old-school approach. "One of the hallmarks of preaching is the speaker is expected to combine their interpretation of current events with the divinely inspired message from above," he said.

[skip] Father Pfleger's sermon was pulpit bullying of the church and bullying of good people who are trying to run decent campaigns for President. It was anything but sacred and it was certainly not biblical.

The good news is that the politics and religion of division is the past and with a lot of work, the politics and religion of unity and cooperation can be our future.

For the audience, my first cousin is a UCC minister, and we know him, his family, and the church's reputation to be one of inclusiveness and loving.  I believe most people think the Trinity church is a rogue congregation.


by katmandu1 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:31:46 PM EST

Re: What the UCC reaction was from one top officia (none / 0)

Thanks for the link.


by GreenHills on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:36:57 PM EST
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I am a also a member of a UCC church (2.00 / 2)

I understand the political necessity of the move, and I also understand that it will take heat off of Trinity.  They can be Trinity without worrying about whether or not they are ruining Obama's candidacy.  

But I was also sad.  


by zmus on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:55:04 PM EST

Re: I am a also a member of a UCC church (2.00 / 1)

The sad thing people forget is despite Wright's sermon and Pfleger's stupidity, Trinity has done a lot of good.  They have helped to revitalize that community and have A LOT of outreach and support, something the governments - local, state and federal don't give two shits about doing.  They help the poor, the less fortunate and build the community.  Even Wright, whose sermons were bad, has done a LOT of good in his time.  Unfortunately people ignore the 99% good things he has said and done and focus on the 1% of bad things.  That doesn't excuse them mind you there are shade of gray to the man and this issue... its not just a black and white thing as the GOP and the media would make it out to be.  That stupidity of thinking has helped to get us in the mess we are in now.


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by yitbos96bb on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:35:51 PM EST
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Re: The United Church of Christ (none / 0)

Specific beliefs about God, Jesus of Nazareth and gospel aside, the UCC Statement of Faith http://www.ucc.org/beliefs/statement-of- faith.html#MOSS is a simple statement that contains 1) the call to the believer to accept the cost and joy of discipleship and 2) the promise of courage in the struggle for justice and peace to those who trust in the gospel. The comments from the professor at CTS resonate with me. I wish it had not taken the lightning rod of Barack Obama's association with this church and their pastors and the role that this association played in his rise to prominence to introduce so many Americans to this vibrant, diversified, network of churches whose members work so hard to remove the world of the hate and division and disrespect that has characterized this campaign over the past 9 months.
by pan230oh on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:51:07 PM EST


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