Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High!

We're coming down to the wire now. If Hillary is going to take this thing to the convention, that decision will be made within the next week or two. It's my personal opinion that a floor fight would mean certain defeat for our nominee in November, and I don't want that. I realize, however, that many of you do want her to take it to Denver, and I respect your dedication. Whatever happens, it will happen soon. I believe the super delegates will encourage her to step down, and I believe she'll exit the race gracefully for the sake of the Party and the country.

But no matter what decision she makes, remember why we support her.  We have dozens of reasons. We support her because we believe her policy positions are superior, we support her because we admire her, we support her because we know she'll fight for us. We support her because we believe she would make the better general election candidate and the better president. Some of us came to her after other candidates left the race, some of us have supported her all along. We have many different reasons, but we've all stood with her and believed in her.

If you've stopped by DailyKos recently, you'll know that many of them are curious about what will happen to MyDD if Hillary concedes. They wonder what Jerome will do, and they wonder what we will do. Some of them will be coming over here to see the "inevitable" train wreck. A few of them want to see silly hysterics and irrational fits. They want to see a show.

Well, don't give them one.

If they come here to gloat and goad us, don't react. Don't give them the satisfaction of watching you lash out. Stand up for Hillary, defend her the way we always have, but do it in an admirable way. If they taunt you, don't take the bait. Don't scream, don't type in all caps, don't rail against Obama, the Party, the supers, or the Fates. If they come to mock us, brush their insults aside. Just remind them that they're not helping their candidate - they harm only themselves. If you see other Clinton supporters behaving poorly, call them out. Either sternly tell them to get their acts together, or gently attempt to calm them down. We must police our own, because we want to ensure that Hillary receives the best representation possible. She deserves no less.

Remember, we believe we support the superior candidate. We are more than the faceless statistics the pundits cite from the exit polls. We are every shade of white, black, and brown. We are young and old, men and women, educated and uneducated. We are heterosexual, we are members of the GLBT community. We hail from different states and different countries, we come from different faiths or no faith at all. We are wealthy, we are impoverished, we are the middle class. We are conservative Democrats, moderate Democrats, Independents, liberals, and progressives. We frequently agree, yet often disagree. We are of many stripes. But we all have one thing in common:

We are Clintonistas.

And we aren't ashamed. We have always been proud, and we have never regretted our decision to support our chosen candidate. We know we chose wisely. Hillary has made us proud of her, and it's high time we return the favor -- it's time to make her proud of us. If we go down, we must do so with grace and dignity. If we fight on, we'll do that with dignity also. We know she'll do the right thing, and we'll follow her lead. Don't let anyone pull you down into the mud with them. Represent Hillary the way she wants us to represent her - with passion and class and decorum. Whatever happens, nothing can dampen our pride, because we know our decision to support her was the right decision.

We must have faith in her, trust her, and respect her wishes.

But above all, we must conduct ourselves with honor, and hold our heads high.



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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 17)

Great diary. I hope its heeded by some of the more extreme elements around here.


by authority song on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:42:30 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (1.07 / 14)

''But above all, we must conduct ourselves with honor, and hold our heads high.''

You should have told that to those folks who did your candidate no favors yesterday in D.C.


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:42:44 PM EST

Lay off (2.00 / 15)

do you know the author's history here, if so than you know that comment was out of line, if you don't know it go and read their diaries...


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:43:58 PM EST
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Student Guy, everyone, don't let (2.00 / 2)

LtWorf et al drag you into the gutter with them. Let's get some practice on not feeding the trolls... ;-)

I have a very nice recipe for lutefisk if anyone is interested. lol


by Swedie on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:10:25 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 16)

I believe srickie has done that numerous times in comments.  Neither Clinton nor Obama supporters are responsible for the screeds of a few.  This diarist has been consistently a good representative for her candidate and the party.


by gchaucer2 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:45:43 PM EST
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Thank you for stepping up (2.00 / 12)

to be a perfect example of the sort of sniping and goading Clinton supporters can expect over the next couple of weeks. It's much appreciated.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:51:58 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for stepping up (1.44 / 9)

That wasn't sniping.  THAT was an honest observation.

THAT is how deep the wounds are when you hear Clinton supporters spouting words like "inadequate black man."  Those words condemned ALL black men.

I appreciate the support of your candidate and to the 95 percent of Clinton supporters who back her in an honorable way, god bless you.

To that other five percent who spew the hate, the venom, I have no tolerance for you.


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:58:08 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for stepping up (2.00 / 8)

It's less than 5%, I like to hope.  I don't know if you saw the videos of some of the crazier people who were there (really pissed me off, too), but they in no way represent the vast vast majority of Clinton's supporters, especially not the majority of those on this site, nor do they represent Hillary Clinton.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:05:07 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for stepping up (2.00 / 1)

I hope (and think) it's way less than 5%.  5% would be almost 1 million people.  I would like to think there are not 1 million people who will vote McCain instead of Obama solely because they are upset that Hillary did not win.  

[There will be a lot who vote McCain instead of Obama because they are moderates, centrists, or slightly conservative.  No problems there with me.]


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:09:23 PM EST
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The best way to make your point (2.00 / 11)

is by setting an example. You have spewed your hate and venom all over this otherwise beautiful diary. It appears to me you have become what you hate. Think about it.


by phoenixdreamz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:08:51 PM EST
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Re: The best way to make your point (1.00 / 2)

From you, this is the HEIGHT of HYPOCRISY.


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:14:42 PM EST
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oh, ok... (2.00 / 3)

Far be it from me.. carry on (but please do it somewhere else, thanks).


by phoenixdreamz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:19:49 PM EST
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Re: oh, ok... (1.00 / 3)

Again, hypocrisy much?


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:53:38 PM EST
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LtWorf, sricki, and studentguy are ALL right (2.00 / 4)

i appreciate greatly the attempts at peacemaking by sricki and studentguy, and am going to try to follow their lead.

but this is a perfectly reasonable sentiment by LtWorf:
" ...THAT is how deep the wounds are when you hear Clinton supporters spouting words like "inadequate black man."  Those words condemned ALL black men.

I appreciate the support of your candidate and to the 95 percent of Clinton supporters who back her in an honorable way, god bless you.

To that other five percent who spew the hate, the venom, I have no tolerance for you."

the Clinton campaign has created ALOT of hard feelings, which they have not only not apologized for, they have expressed indignation that they would even be questioned on what many believe was the racist nature of the campaign.
but most importantly, THEY ARE STILL creating hard feelings. senior officials of the campaign spent all day yesterday LYING STRAIGHT TO OUR FACES, by claiming the UNCONTESTED Fla and Michigan primaries were a fair.

i fear that until Clinton stops her divisive and dishonest campaign tactics, and apologizes for offense caused by racially-insensitive remarks, many Obama supporters will rightly be suspicious of offers of peace. if the Clinton campaign acted like sricki, this party could start healing, but so far, i personally have seen no sign of that from the top levels of the campaign. Mr. Ickes in particular has set both his candidate and efforts at healing back tremendously.    


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:32:17 PM EST
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Re: LtWorf, sricki, and studentguy are ALL right (2.00 / 3)

I agree.  I also hope that you would agree to Hillary being called entitled white woman also condemns ALL white women.  I believe you do, as I saw your stellar diary on sexism in MSM the other day.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:35:23 PM EST
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i do agree (none / 0)

and thanks for the kind words.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:46:39 PM EST
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I cosign that statement! (none / 0)

what the good Father said was ... technically accurate but extraordinarily offensive. He apologized, and rightly so.

who the HELL forgot to tell him the cameras were rolling?


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:32:29 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for stepping up (2.00 / 1)

You are beyond out of line.  sricki is a fantastic diarist and commenter who treats ALL with respect, including the candidates.  If you are a fellow Obama supporter, then you give me great shame.


by The Distillery on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:20:48 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for stepping up (none / 0)

Do you think I give a damned what some other anonymous guy on a computer god knows where thinks about me?

Think again.

Sorry, Mr. Distillery, I'm not Alegre, I actually believe what I write and if you can't handle it for what it was, an honest observation, I suggest you take a visit to Hillaryland. Though you may not be welcomed, you'd be in like company.


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by LtWorf on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:04:49 PM EST
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Re: Thank you for stepping up (2.00 / 6)

Thanks for the diary, sricki.  Tipped and rec'd.


by gchaucer2 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:04:43 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (none / 0)

and vote for the only candidate who is qualified to be president


by awayer on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:57:30 PM EST
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I think you mean the only REMAINING candidate (none / 0)


by activatedbybush on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:23:14 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for attempting to counter the dignity of a really great diary.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:24:10 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (1.00 / 2)

"But above all, we must conduct ourselves with honor,"

That would certainly be a pleasant change :)


by GeeMan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:14:25 PM EST
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I'm glad they were there (none / 0)

To speak for my candidate and point of view.  Regardless of the fig leaf the committee tried to put on MI, Clinton has likely won the popular vote (pending SD and MT).  There are no fig leaves to give Obama a clean victory.  There are no clean victories possible on either side in this race.

But yet, there has to be A victory.  And that victory belongs to Senator Obama, winner of the most pledged delegates and raiser of the most money.  

Those of us who preferred Senator Clinton need to accept this reality, however grudgingly and with however little enthusiasm, and move on to November with the party in mind.


by activatedbybush on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:11:54 PM EST
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Obama won the popular vote. (none / 0)

Compromises on delegate seating don't validate sham elections.

Obama won states, votes, and delegates (elected and super).  Not by much, but he won them.  Only the last measure matters, of course, but this silly meme about the popular vote is annoying.

Hillary can go back to blaming the media and the primary process now.


by corph on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 10:04:06 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (1.00 / 1)

As an Obama supporter, as a reader and poster both here and at DKos, I have to say that (IMO) this comment was out of line, and your subsequent bursts of offensive language and name calling were way out of line.

Looking at your body of posts here, I see that you are usually vituperative, frequently inflammatory, and all too frequently offensive.

You also sometimes attempt to defend your language on the basis of (1) free speech, (2) "he started it first", or (3) [redacted] off (or the moral equivalent thereof).

Free speech does not apply. Blogs are private property (just ask kos - he will agree). Free speech keeps you from from being censored by the Government, not individuals limiting your speech on/in their property.

"He started it first" - this is a child's or a government's argument, not a justification.

*sigh*

Sometimes I wonder why I try to post like this. You're likely to just tell me to [redacted] off anyway. Yet I must try.

by Vancouverite on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:09:59 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (1.00 / 1)

Links are your friend Canuck.


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by LtWorf on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 01:10:14 PM EST
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Wrong country (2.00 / 1)

Try again.
by Vancouverite on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:20:13 AM EST
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Not yet ready to concede. (none / 0)

It ain't over 'til the balloons drop in Denver.


The fascist takeover of America has already occurred; but the people have not yet realized.
by magnetics on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:01:02 AM EST
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Hey sricki (2.00 / 6)

This is off topic but check this out:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/1/45949 /17854
(tis about the Searching for Johnny Mac project I think you'll like it)

Also good diary. I am reccing it because I can; you do your more good than a lot of other people here.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:43:09 PM EST

argh (2.00 / 2)

I left out the word candidate,

You do your candidate more good than a lot of people here.

That is how the last statement should go.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:14:52 PM EST
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Re: Hey sricki (2.00 / 2)

That diary needs to get more recs so we can beat John McCain in the fall.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:57:04 PM EST
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It's no biggie (2.00 / 1)

I'll be redoing the experiment tonight around 9 CST.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:20:53 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 15)

Excellent diary and 99% of Clinton Supporters have every reason to hold their heads high.  I will admit, a couple of months ago, I would have been one to come to this site to watch the train wreck -- not any more.  I signed up here during the Lamont campaign and still see many progressive voices here.  I also see Clinton Supporters who are drowning out the shrinking and small element of nastiness.

I wish your candidate good luck today and the remaining two primaries.  And I have nothing but the highest regard for Clinton supporters who have fought a long, hard battle and showcased the very best of Clinton's policies.  Thank you.


by gchaucer2 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:43:15 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 5)

I agree.  If nothing else, this long primary season has shown the nation and the world that Democrats are in a fighting mood.  Once Obama is officially our presumptive nominee (just like McCain, and not to become official until the roll call in Denver), most of us will take the fight directly to the Republicans.  They have every reason to be shaking in their jackboots!

I've been hanging around here and Daily Kos since 2002.  I starting spending more time here a few weeks ago, not to gloat, but rather to gauge the pulse here and try to engage in honest, reasonable arguments.  There's nothing wrong with a hearty debate about issues or candidates.  Very shortly, if reports are to be believed, we will have a presumptive nominee, and I hope we can all work together to fight for a Democrat in the White House once again.


by deminva on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:10:27 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 1)

Seconded. Well said.
by Vancouverite on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:12:40 PM EST
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I came here because I heard the place Stunk (none / 0)

of racism.

I'm glad to see that's been vacuumed up.

Seriously, y'all are a hell of a lot more mature than I expected.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:35:15 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 21)

Thank you from an unashamed Clinton supporter that is proud of all that she's accomplished. Let's make her proud by continuing to fight for universal health care.


by LakersFan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:44:39 PM EST

despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (2.00 / 15)

I think quite a few of us Obama supporters would gladly join you in that fight.

I hope that Clinton will be a leader in that endeavor, whether as VP, Secretary of HHS, or as Senate Majority Leader.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:47:27 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (2.00 / 11)

I hope so, because we're not giving this fight up -- it's just too important for us as individuals and as a nation. If we can't advocate for our candidate, we will put our energy into advocating for our issues and put pressure on the party and nominee to vigorously represent our interests.


by LakersFan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:54:06 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (2.00 / 9)

Single payer, anyone?  I'm pretty disappointed that neither of them seem to be talking much about this, but that probably isn't a reason to stay home or vote republican, is it? ;)


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:12:39 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (2.00 / 3)

Universal health coverage can be achieve more than one way. Single-payer would be nice, but it's not going to happen. Let's just get everyone covered. Clinton and Edwards plans both accomplish that goal in a manner that is politically feasible. At this point, who or how we may for it is secondary concern. The "universal" part is the goal we all need to word towards.


by LakersFan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:21:59 PM EST
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It isn't for me. (none / 0)

... getting the best quality health care is a matter of life and death for me.

Pennypinching insurance companies are likely to send my husband to an early grave.

Stupid "overprescribed" "medically unneccessary" medicine.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:37:39 PM EST
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Re: It isn't for me. (none / 0)

I'm in the same boat as you. But if the choice is between universal health coverage with private insurers, or what we have now, I will take Universal coverage every time.


by LakersFan on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:07:56 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (none / 0)

Universal Health insurance is the enemy when insurance is for profit.  I think people are confusing Universal Insurance for Universal Health Care.  Alot of people cannot afford Health Care that have insurance. Going bankrupt and losing everything you own with insurance is no better than being in the same situation without insurance, in some ways with insurance its worse.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:50:26 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (none / 0)

For-profit UHC does not have to be the enemy if we have strong regulation. They do it in other countries with success.

Believe me, I know that having health insurance does not mean you can afford health care. I've got great insurance and health care bills I cannot afford to pay. One of the most attractive things about Clinton's plan is that it would cap the amount a person would have to pay for health care to 5-10% of income.


by LakersFan on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 04:12:48 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (none / 0)

Agreed.  It's one of the few policies of Obama's that I don't agree with.


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:11:19 PM EST
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Re: despite what is said, we know he isn't perfect (none / 0)

Yes, of course Hillary should be placed in an underling position..just seems so odd that the that she would have to report to the less qualified male. Buckle up.


by gorgias on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:26:24 PM EST
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2 more days of this? (2.00 / 1)

You can take your thinly veiled hint of sexism, drizzle some chocolate sauce on top of it and chow down.

I would have been just as thrilled to have the first woman president as I am over the prospect of having the first African-American president, but that's not the way the campaign worked out, is it?

If Obama was in the same position right now, I'd be hoping that he would either take a prominent role in a Clinton administration if that was what he wanted or return to the Senate.

The only thing to buckle up for is the purge of soured McCainocrats and Republican Trolls that should occur here after Clinton concedes.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:50:11 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 13)

We are Clintonistas!!

great diary.

rec'd


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:46:15 PM EST

Re: For the record (2.00 / 4)

I have little problem with you defending your candidate in a honorable way.  I

I encourage it.  It's welcomed.

But after seeing the way her supporters behaved in D.C. and the continued rantings and ravings of a certain few here, it's difficult to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Gloat? No.  No gloating.  Many of us are just plain fatigued and want this done.


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:52:23 PM EST

Re: For the record (2.00 / 6)

I discount those people yesterday and the ones here who write screed after screed -- just as I discount Obama supporters who are fundamentally negative.  These people have absolutely no idea what it means to support a candidate -- they support some issue that has to do with their little world view.  Personally -- outside the toobz, I have numerous friends and acquaintances who support Sen. Clinton -- and they make me proud to be a Democrat.  The shrill-seekers are not Democrats, they are bitter people with a personal agenda which has nothing to do with the Democratic Party or Progressive ideas.


by gchaucer2 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:12:27 PM EST
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Re: For the record (2.00 / 6)

If you don't want us to judge the Obama supporters based on the actions of the few, you have to do the same in return.  

I thought the people at yesterday's meeting were emotionally charged but not out of line.  There was no property damage, no threats of violence, no arrests made.  If what happened yesterday is enough to get anyone worked up then someone has pretty thin skin.


by JustJennifer on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:13:31 PM EST
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Re: For the record (2.00 / 1)

I get worked up when anyone walks down Bigotry Avenue.

Didn't see the "inadequate black man" comment.  No, PLENTY crossed the line in and out of the meeting.


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by LtWorf on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:59:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

GOOD! Good comment! Good Dog1 (none / 0)

Have a biskie!

(this comment is not intended to demean. merely a heartfelt statement).


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:39:09 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (1.33 / 9)

don't worry about it, all the sock-puppets of BHO'ers will provide it for us. again


by zerosumgame on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:54:55 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 6)

Yay, zerosum supports the democratic candidate over John McCain.  I'm so glad we not going to elect John McCain to the White House.  Hillary Clinton is so very different from John McCain, but so Barack Obama is different from John McCain as well!  Fantastic!


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:14:27 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 9)

Agreed, Sricki!

Although I am an Obama supporter now, I'm a die hard Al Gore and John Edwards fan (my top two choices), and I'm holding my head high for all of them.


by Virginia Liberal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 02:55:48 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 12)

Great post. Rec'd, and in all seriousness, one of the reasons I want to avoid a floor fight is because of how big of a fan I've become of Hillary. I don't want to see her long term reputation hurt because I know she has so much to offer as one of our best politicians, and I think taking that to Denver would hurt her in the long term. But we will be fine, and she'll be fabulous, as usual :)


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:11:32 PM EST

I wouldn't worry about that. (2.00 / 3)

I have faith that she'll end this thing gracefully.    She's not an idiot and supporters who urge her to do this aren't doing her any favors.  She's got to look ahead.  She has a long political career ahead of her still.


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:28:49 PM EST
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thanks to sricki and studentguy for peacemaking (2.00 / 6)

it is a noble effort, and one that on sricki's part unfortunately shows he is WAY ahead of the Clinton campaign and so many other Clinton supporters here who have filled the diary list with the hideous show sricki is trying to stop.

good luck sricki, i am going to TRY to act as if all Clintonistas are like you.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:15:01 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (1.20 / 5)

I've always been proud of Hillary, she's run an uplifting, cheerful and warm and friendly campaign. She has been treated with incredible disrespect, by the media and by Barack.  His people now admit he's ruthless, and while that can be good, it's not good when you campaign against someone who beats you in the popular vote.  Spin away, women are listening carefully and we're not happy.

We could take it to Denver without penalty if Barack would quit smearing her and suggesting she wants to destroy him. That's divisive, running for the nomination isn't divisive, speech that incites hate is divisive.  

She's gaining momentum and he's losing it. She won all demographics in PR.  

Our party give proportional delegates, without that she would have won long ago.  If the super's go for him despite their point, to select the candidate who can best win in November, we're bankrupt.  We'll do anything to lose.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:41:38 PM EST

Clinton & SOME supporters aren't be honest (1.85 / 7)

well, sricki used LtWorf as an example that some Obama supporters will keep bashing Clinton, i am going to use anna shane's post as an example of the dishonest nature of far too many Clinton supporters, and of the campaign itself.

1)it is an OPEN bald-faced LIE to say Clinton is winning the popular vote. (to claim this you have to NOT count votes in 14 caucus states, and COUNT votes in UNCONTESTED primaries. outfuckingrageous.) that is not debatable, anna shane and EVERY SINGLE Clinton supporter knows it. and it is a lie that comes straight from Hillary Clinton herself. that is NOT honorable. if it continues, Clinton's career will end in ignomy.

2)it is an open embrace of thwarting the will of DEMOCRATIC voters to ask the supers to OVERTURN OBAMA'S VICTORY. if you advocate stealing the nomination from the voters, you deserve ZERO respect from voters. and, again, this is an idea that comes straight from Clinton herself.

3) the first lines about Clinton running a "uplifting, cheerful and warm and friendly campaign" are one of the most bizarre things i've ever read. i suggest you ask yourself why, if this is the case, her support among African Americans went from about 65% to about 5 to 10%? it's because almost ALL African American voters felt insulted by her.  

as long as this open dishonesty continues, and is directed from the highest levels of the campaign and from Clinton herself, the efforts of sricki and others like him are doomed to failure.

unfortunately, it seems this post from anna shane more accurately reflects the feelings of the campaign and of Clinton herself, much more than sricki's peacemaking efforts do. SO FAR. i pray that is about to change, bt it will take change from Clinton herself, right now, she is driving her supporters over a cliff.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:04:23 PM EST
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I'm gonna defend Hillary here. (2.00 / 2)

One this that puzzles me about some of her supporters and how they 'identify' with her.  I got news for some of them; Hillary is way above all that crap.  She's a  politician and a very smart woman and she wouldn't have two words to say to a woman like that chick who called Senator Obama an inadequate black man.  She might have listened to her campaign people while she was running, but I'd bet anything that if she runs into someone spewing that hate in her name she'd take them to task.

I'd give anything to frankly, take Anna to task on some of the crap she's been spewing on here in 'support' of her campaign.


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:33:25 PM EST
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Hillary is a very nice lady (none / 0)

who lost control of her campaign a while ago. this is my impression  perhaps not backed by fact.

How else does a non-racist do as much as she can to appeal to the racist vote? (and I mean, by this, merely not stating "if you're racist, I dont' want you voting for me". That is all I wanted from her. A public statement like Edwards gave).

Her backers are going beserk, in search of power that they believe they are never going to get back.

In contrast, I enjoy talking to Hillary's supporters. they're good folks.

This will probably get me trollrated, again. I'm sorry, but it is what I believe, and I know political researchers who have done work on this subject (i.e. who hillary's backers are. rest is possibly unfounded supposition)


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:44:20 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is a very nice lady (none / 0)

I feel the same way.  I feel like Hillary isn't responsible for these racist morons going around shouting about inadequate black males.  I think they just used her as a rallying cry to cover up their feelings about Obama.  Seriously.  Because it's not cool to say I'm scared the black guy is a black panther muslim who will enslave little white girls.  Or, you know, whatever goes on in their sad little retarded brains. (The secret racists, not Hillary supporters).  That's why I'm unmerciful with the hillaryis44 folks.  Their site is very much against Obama, more so than FOR Hillary.  It's sadly oblivious to some and those who go there with good intentions are quickly turned off by the racist vibe brewing out from under.

And frankly, I'm not into wooing those people.  Fuck those people.  They were never really in our camp to begin with and if they were? I'm glad to be rid of them.


Obama 2008!
by lollydee on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 09:16:38 PM EST
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Re: Clinton & (none / 0)

I'm tired of this bs that you have to discount some states and make all sorts of weird counts to show HRC has the popular vote lead.  Go to realclearpolitics.com and stop with the bs.  She is ahead in the popular vote by 150,000, even counting the caucus states, and counting votes actually cast for her, i.e., MI.


by slynch on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:41:07 PM EST
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It is the definition of BS (none / 0)

To include a state in which Obama was not on the ballot as part of the vote total.


by libertyleft on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:53:05 AM EST
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Re: It is the definition of BS (1.00 / 1)

he voluntarily took his name off the ballot.  That's his problem, not hers.  It's hardly reasonable to ignore votes for her simply because he opted off the ballot.  The fact is, she is ahead in votes cast.


by slynch on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:24:18 PM EST
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outright lies (none / 0)

what's worse is that you, slynch, know damn good and well it's a lie. just shameful dishonesty.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:57:21 PM EST
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Re: outright lies (none / 0)

there's no lie there whatsoever.  Exactly what part is a lie?  That he took his name off the ballot? No.  That she did not?  No.  That she collected approximately 330,000 votes there?

Come on.  By any objective measure, the statement that she has had more votes is simply factual.  There is no way around it.

And, CapTim, go read the rules on ratings.  You're violating the rules.


by slynch on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 03:19:13 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 7)

Anna:

Perhaps the supers are looking at things you're ignoring.  Perhaps some of them in smaller red states are looking at how well he organized in small red states.  Perhaps they see how he's currently outperforming her in large states like California and Michigan, while consistently outperforming her in large states that must remain blue, such as MN, WI, and WA.  Perhaps they're looking at his fundraising juggernaut, or his well-trained army of grassroots supporters.  Perhaps they're looking at how he stepped up with an historic speech in response to the Rev. Wright controversy, or how young voters are ready to support him in record numbers (on their way to becoming lifelong Democrats).  Perhaps they're looking at how he, alone of the three viable candidates, refused to pander on the gas tax.  Perhaps they like his ears.

Or, if you're focused solely on electability: Perhaps they agree with many of Clinton's supporters that she has been hampered by sexism, and because they're pragmatic, they don't expect this sexism to vanish in time for the general election.  I'm not saying that Clinton is unelectable because she's a woman.  Far from it.  But if you want to argue that she would have won the Democratic nomination if only people weren't sexist, it seems odd to me to argue that the same baleful force wouldn't have hurt her in the GE.


by deminva on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:21:12 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 2)

uplifting, cheerful, warm and friedndly?  Sheesh.  George Orwell rolls in his grave.


It's all about McCain/Bush now...
by thereisnospoon on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 07:35:20 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 2)

I have to laugh at Anderson Cooper - should the voters in PR be counted in the popular vote totals?  Another person had to correct him to tell him that PR's are AMERICAN citizens.


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:46:20 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (none / 0)

sorry wrong thread.  too many tabs open


by colebiancardi on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:46:51 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 1)

hahaa. I told just saw that. He sounds like a dummy.


by alyssa chaos on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:49:33 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 2)

The question, of course, isn't whether Puerto Ricans are Americans, it's whether it makes sense to count voters that can't vote in the general election in a "popular vote total" that is being used to argue strength in the general election. I'm not sure what the right answer is, but asking it doesn't make Anderson Cooper stupid.


by laird on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:04:19 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 2)

They are citizens, but they don't get to vote in the general.  And while they are citizens, more than half want to stay in the state of limbo their governmental status is, and a good percentage (about 15% depending on the poll/election) want total independence.


by ProgressiveDL on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:16:17 PM EST
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i think it's funny... (2.00 / 1)

...that clinton wants to count the votes from Puerto Rico, a territory, for the popular vote but conveniently forgets that most caucuses, in actual states, do not report out a popular vote.

so...she includes puerto rico, but leaves out Minnesota, Kansas, Colorado, Iowa, Wyoming, Nebraska, Idaho, Washington, Maine, etc.


d
by d on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:06:15 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 2)

nice.

I will continue to support Sen. Clinton, even passed the primaries. And I know some people get carried away and junk, but I seriously try to base everything I argue in logic.

Its not easy to be a Clinton supporter at this point, but its what we choose to do.


by alyssa chaos on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:48:49 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 7)

Thank you sricki! Undoubtedly there will be many who will seek to fan the flames of division but at this point, let's try to end this on a high note.

We can be for both Clinton and Obama while acknowledging who the nominee is. This is the first time I've really invested myself in a candidate, and even though I'm really disappointed that she lost, she has gained a lot in the primaries, and I look forward to see what she will accomplish in the future.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 03:57:28 PM EST

Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 10)

First off, as a Obama supporter I want to congratulate Senator Clinton and her supporters on her win in Puerto Rico.   Secondly, as a Koser, I can tell you there have been numerous diaries about no attacks on Senator Clinton, a move for unity.  I look foward when democrats supporting both candidates, can get behind our nominee, and enjoy both websites.  


A vote for John McCain is a vote against Hillary Clinton
by realistdem on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:02:58 PM EST

Truth be told, (2.00 / 8)

I still enjoy dKos. I ignore anti-Clinton diaries, and I get along just fine over there. But I'll be very glad when DailyKos and MyDD are no longer at odds.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:25:31 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 1)

Sorry,  but pushing for unity with Daily Kos is pushing Unity a little too far.


by Scotch on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:45:43 PM EST
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sricki. (2.00 / 5)

you definitely do not blog enough - well done.  rec'd.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:10:01 PM EST

Heh, thanks. (2.00 / 2)

You know, I always have all these diaries I'd like to write, but then I get so lazy. I spend a lot of time thinking about them and then never bother to type them up. Too bad I'm not more industrious, I guess. ;)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:29:05 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 5)

Very nice diary. As a former Clinton supporter who turned to Obama back in January, I salute you. I will certainly not goad or gloat.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:21:28 PM EST

rec'd!! (2.00 / 4)

Congratulations to Hillary and her supporters on her win in PR today.


by PurpleMyst on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:21:39 PM EST

I love this (2.00 / 4)

You are inspiring.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:24:37 PM EST

Thank you. (2.00 / 2)

You've been a top-notch Clinton supporter.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:27:03 PM EST
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Re: Thank you. (2.00 / 1)

:-)

She's an inspiration.  At this point, I would rather watch a Primary Results show rather than my favorite movie.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:06:32 PM EST
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I'm sick of it personally (2.00 / 1)

not that I don't want Montana to get a chance to vote, of course, but I'm sick of the fighting...


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:47:16 PM EST
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Excellent diary! Rec'd. Perfectly worded! (2.00 / 5)

Yeah, Sricki, bigtime kudos today! CG's right, you should blog more often!

As for the "trolls-with-issues" upthread, I find their presence in the comments here quite ironic. Clearly, they didn't read and understand (or at least agree with) what you wrote.

That's their problem, IMHO...until they make it our problem. Then we just TR/HR 'em and blog on!


by bobswern on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:35:29 PM EST

Thanks, (2.00 / 6)

I expect this diary is better received than the one I put up yesterday.

As Clinton supporters, we need to ignore the anti-Hillary trolls and take the high road, no matter how much they mess with us.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:38:33 PM EST
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What Obama said (2.00 / 6)

I am happy to report this:

"Obama announces in Mitchell, South Dakota that he telephoned Clinton Sunday to congratulate her on winning the Puerto Rico primary.

Land of Lincolner then praises Clinton to crowd outside the Corn Palace for the race she has run and her public service.

"She is going to be a great asset when we go into November to make sure we beat the Republicans. That I promise you. Whatever differences Senator Clinton and I may have, those differences pale in comparison to the other side."
http://thepage.time.com/2008/06/01/recon ciliation/


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:36:50 PM EST

Yup, I'm watching his speech. n/t (2.00 / 1)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:39:36 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 2)

With the greatest of respect to the diarist and some other Clinton supporters here, I ask you what you think of this diary (link below) wherein the diarist announces the efforts of a group to try to elect McCain?  They call themselves McClintons.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/1/16405 3/5248


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 04:55:24 PM EST

Thanks for pointing it out. (2.00 / 3)

I hadn't seen it yet. It's disgraceful, and all of Hillary's supporters should tell the diarist so.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:01:34 PM EST
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I think... (2.00 / 2)

That ideas like that need to be fleshed out on the merits rather than summarily dismissed as evil since they invoke the nasty McCain.  

I prefer McCain's personality to Obama's but prefer Obama's Democratic platform.  

I'm a lifelong Dem, now an undecided voter.  Perhaps at the risk of stating the obvious, Obama supporters should consider us a test group.  If you can sell the nominee to half of the party, what luck will there be selling him to the whole nation?


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:10:02 PM EST
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Re: I think... (2.00 / 6)

BPK80, (and everybody),
    I hope you stick around here, because I'd like to have an opportunity to make a case for Obama.  I won't try today, because feelings are obviously running high.
     I think that all Democrats have been in an adversarial position since - well, probably since Nixon.  Reagan, Iran-Contra, Newt, the Gulf war,  the 'Contract with America', impeachment, Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004, Iraq, and SO much Bush.  I think many have come to the conclusion that we must fight, because the other side sure will.  We have seen the results of apathy, of lies, cheating, lying, and greed.  And even though the vast majority of those things have come from Republicans and neocons, it is now a part of the political landscape.
     So this year, that we all know matters so much, we have fought for what we believe in.  Unfortunately, some people have adopted these tactics on behalf of their candidate.  And I think everyone cares a great deal.  
   I'm sorry that some people can't let go of this - on both sides.  I've not been a frequent poster on this site, but I've been lurking around, and I've seen a lot of stuff on both sides, here and other places as well.  I think all of that will change in the next few weeks, as passions recede and good sense, as well as the noble efforts of this diarist and others, take hold.
     I just watched Hillary's victory speech in PR.  She closed with the line, "we're going to fight for America, because America is worth fighting for."    In the next few weeks, I will be asking you to do that, to help me do that, to fight for America.  I will beg all of you.  On bended knee.  I am 50, and I have a 2 year old son.  I may not be around later to help him as he reaches adulthood, and I want to make sure I do everything I can to make sure he gets a fair shake.  Right now, that means electing a Democrat.  So, please, give me a chance to make a case.  It's really important.
   
We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:19:10 PM EST
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Re: I think... (2.00 / 1)

No doubt you have good intentions.  However, the case has been made and some of us have rejected it based on our own critical analysis.  

I applaud the diarist for his attitude.  I just don't share it. It never occurred to me to hang my head.  

p.s. If Kossacks want to see "silly hysterics and irrational fits" they need only read their own material. It's been a daily Hillary hate-fest over there for almost a year.


by Tolstoy on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:16:27 PM EST
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Re: I think... (none / 0)

Thank you.

I appreciate you communicating as a dialogue between two people and not two anonymous robots on the internet.

While when I make rules based arguments, I frame them in academic/cerebral terms, party identification is necessarily an emotional issue for me.  When I say I am "undecided" I am not threatening anyone.  Who would I be threatening?  There are no more elections left (aside from MT/SD)!  

I'm just stating how I feel.  It's real.  It's conflicted and I'm not sure right now what will happen.  I am open to considering other options than voting Democratic.  That is very distinct from having made a commitment either way.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:34:10 AM EST
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A few cents from an Independent (2.00 / 2)

Libertarian Democrat.

McCain will not break from the current mold of the Republican part. He will not end the kleptocracy, and the winnowing of the professionals from our civil service.

I will continue to vote Democratic until I can find a better Republican party.

I believe that the best way to destroy the current alliance between the rulers (rich) and the priests (conservative christians), is by dealing them a significant defeat at the ballot box.

This is just my two cents, and I've got a dollar in change in my pocket, but I hope to help!


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 12:51:16 PM EST
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Re: A few cents from an Independent (none / 0)

Mojo for "kleptocracy."  Love the neologism.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 08:30:10 PM EST
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Re: I think... (2.00 / 1)

Half the party?  The dead enders who stick with Clinton once Obama is the nom are going to be way less than half the party.  Maybe half a percent.


by libertyleft on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:57:39 AM EST
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Re: I think... (none / 0)

Half a percent?

Goodbye, Wisconsin.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 06:34:36 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporters, Hold Your Heads High! (2.00 / 4)

Congratulations to Hillary and her supporters on this huge win in PR.


by redwoodsummer on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 05:19:20 PM EST

Now please tell me how Hillary gets (2.00 / 1)

the other 176 Delegates she needs.

Presuming a 40-15 delegate split in Puerto Rico Hillary will have 1,940 delegates and Obama will have 2,080. There are only 230 delegates left and Hillary needs 176 of them.

Obama needs one about one in six delegates to win and Hillary needs more than 3 out of four delegates to win.

So live it up but don't forget that the only remaining question for the Hillary campaign is when will she concede. Before the end of the primaries, before the convention, during the convention, or never because Hillary plans to start her own party?

So how is this going to end and what difference did Hillary's win mean today?


We shall overcome. Y