Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired

Picture this story a week before election day in November.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo rld/us_and_americas/us_elections/article 3897414.ece

May 10, 2008

One of Barack Obama's Middle East policy advisers disclosed yesterday that he had held meetings with the militant Palestinian group Hamas - prompting the likely Democratic nominee to sever all links with him.

Robert Malley told The Times that he had been in regular contact with Hamas, which controls Gaza and is listed by the US State Department as a terrorist organisation. Such talks, he stressed, were related to his work for a conflict resolution think-tank and had no connection with his position on Mr Obama's Middle East advisory council.

"I've never hidden the fact that in my job with the International Crisis Group I meet all kinds of people," he added.

Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr Obama, responded swiftly: "Rob Malley has, like hundreds of other experts, provided informal advice to the campaign in the past. He has no formal role in the campaign and he will not play any role in the future." The rapid departure of Mr Malley followed 48 hours of heated clashes between John McCain, the Republican nominee-elect, and Mr Obama over Middle East policy.

Mr Obama, who has been trying to assuage suspicion towards him among the influential Jewish and pro-Israel lobby, spoke at a Washington reception marking the 60th anniversary of Israeli independence on Thursday when he promised that his commitment to the country's security would be "unshakeable". However, Mr McCain has high-lighted the Democrat's pledge to negotiate directly with nations such as Iran - whose leaders talk of wiping Israel off the map - and a statement from Hamas saying that it hoped that Mr Obama would win the presidency.

This was denounced as an offensive smear by Mr Obama, who repeated earlier statements saying that Hamas was "a terrorist organisation [and] we should not negotiate with them unless they recognise Israel, renounce violence".

He went on to suggest that Mr McCain's attack showed that he was "losing his bearings". This remark triggered a furious reaction from Mark Salter, the Republican's senior adviser, who said that Mr Obama was "intentionally raising John McCain's age as an issue" - a claim the Democrat vehemently denied. The intensity of this dispute reflects both Mr Obama's desire to move beyond his battle with Hillary Clinton and how Republicans are already beginning to train their sights on him.

The Republican National Committee has amassed a 1,000-page dossier on Mr Obama, with researchers spending weeks in Chicago seeking fresh material. He is already being criticised for his links with Rashid Khalidi, a Columbia University professor who has branded Israel an "apartheid system in creation".

Mr Malley, a respected commentator on Middle Eastern issues and part of President Clinton's negotiating team at the Camp David talks, has come under attack in recent months from right-wing bloggers. Yesterday, asked if Obama campaign was aware of his contact with Hamas, he said: "They know who I am but I don't think they vet everyone in a group of informal advisers."

Randy Scheunemann, Mr McCain's foreign policy chief, suggested that Mr Malley was part of an emerging pattern in which other advisers had been repudiated after throwing confusion over policies on trade and Iraq. "Perhaps because of his inexperience Senator Obama surrounds himself with advisers that contradict his stated policies," he said.



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Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 2)

Rev. Wright has a book coming out in October.  This Hamas stuff will fade into the background.


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:46:02 PM EST

Rev. Wright has booked (2.00 / 1)

a speaking engagement later this month, and another next month. The cable news anchors who reported it rolled their eyes anticipating the media circus he'll attract.

Hang in there Hillary.


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:56:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Send more money!! (2.00 / 1)

Hang in there Hillary, you're only $11,400,000 in the red.  

C'mon Hill, smash open another piggy bank.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:00:17 PM EST
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shallow (2.00 / 1)

get to the issue, dude.  This is not about money.


by 4justice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:11:28 PM EST
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LOL! (none / 0)

if it wasn't about money, they why did Hillary have to pitch-in 8 figures ?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:42:51 PM EST
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Re: LOL! (2.00 / 1)

this diary isn't about money.  stay on topic.


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:48:51 PM EST
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Re: LOL! (none / 0)

absolutely about money.  Obama outspends Hillary three to one in all states and she's still beating him in many of them.  In Indiana, he outspent her four to one.  The press was saying she was a liar and panderer non-stop and she still won in a state that shares its media with Chicago.  

If Obama can't win Indiana outspending her like he is in a state with the demographics on his side, he's not very electable.  


by searchforsolidarity on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:07:44 AM EST
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BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA! (none / 0)

I guess Evan Bayh is small potatoes.

HA!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:46:13 AM EST
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Re: shallow (2.00 / 1)

Yes, this is not about money... this is about Rev. Wright... a subject VASTLY more important than anything up to and including the issues apparently.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:45:25 PM EST
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Re: shallow (2.00 / 1)

it is relevant to his electability


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:49:16 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

According to some diehard Clinton supporters on this site, Obama's electability hovers near zero for any number of issues, some of which have been known about before the primary even started...

I think the rumors of his demise have been greatly exaggerated...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:53:26 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

I hate to say it, but I think Democrats are politically stupid as a party.  We routinely shoot ourselves in the foot with unelectable candidates.  And, I think we're doing it again.  I'm not so sure Hillary is that much more electable, but she was somewhat more electable.  Put it this way.  I would bet a large sum of money that McCain will be president if Obama is the nominee.  I would bet a slightly smaller sum of money if Clinton were the nominee.


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:57:51 PM EST
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Re: shallow (2.00 / 1)

I would take either bet... not only is the election so far away that you and I might forget we made the bet in the first place, but it's also a safe bet for me to make...

No Democrat is going to lose to John McCain circa 2008... McCain circa 2000, maybe... but this guy is so beyond weak, he's bordering on pathetic.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:07:24 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

it'd be nice to believe that, but that doesn't seem to be the conventional wisdom among the political science folks I know (and I tend to believe them).  We'll see.


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:09:42 PM EST
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Re: shallow (2.00 / 1)

Well, not to be contrary, but I am a poli sci person and the Democrats are winning this year.

Will it be a cakewalk...?  Nah... but it won't be left to the Supreme Court either.  Democrat will win over 50% of the vote.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:12:28 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

faculty or student?


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:14:45 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

B.A. from Ohio State.

The current Dean of the college was my favorite professor... very smart guy.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:17:27 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

I guess the reason I ask is that I tend to defer to my politics faculty colleagues--when they say something about politics, I usually accept it even if I don't necessarily believe it at first.  So far, I haven't seen any optimism among faculty, at least at my school.  But, I'm still looking.


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:25:21 PM EST
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Re: shallow (2.00 / 1)

To be honest with you, my experience with te faculty s that they tended to be glass-half-empty when it came to the chances for the Democrats...

I have spoken to a couple of my friends who are currently grad students there now, apparently that has changed.

Seriously though, the more people get to know this latest version of McCain, the less they will like him.  Crimony, the video of him swearing to O'Reilly that he voted for Bush twice and did everything he could to get him elected is pure comedy gold... and a future campaign commercial.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:29:10 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

I agree that McCain should be easy to beat, but I thought that about Bush in '04 also.  The problem is that there is such a mythology about McCain's moderateness, he is viewed as a war hero (and no one will dismiss that, unlike they did with Kerry), and a number of his talking points resonate with folks who don't think very deeply about social problems (unfortunately the majority of the electorate).


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:37:58 PM EST
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Re: shallow (none / 0)

I thought that about Bush in '04 until the Swift Boat thing... I was screaming in my head to get out in front of it... they didn't and let it become a narrative... then, I knew how it would go.

Right now, I am damn optimistic... that might change, but I will keep you posted.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:47:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

Yeah, because the Wright issue worked really well for hillary! Can you spell D.E.S.P.E.R.A.T.I.O.N.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:02:26 PM EST
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that might work if HRC was behind this (2.00 / 2)

but no one is behind this, its the line of attack repugs are going to use against your guy.  So either yell about it, or start dealing with it.  I suspect its easier to yell.


by 4justice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:13:28 PM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (2.00 / 1)

use it against "your guy"....

This is a progressive blog... If the Republicans use anything against the Democratic nominee in the Fall and if the nominee is Obama, wouldn't that be OUR guy?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:46:43 PM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

Obama isn't terribly progressive. He isn't a realiable pro-choice vote, he doesn't support universal healthcare. He wanted to vote for Roberts and only refrained because of his presidential ambitions. He referred to unions as "special interests".  if you want a progressive candidate, Clinton is to the left of Obama.

So, no, Obama won't be "our" candidate for a lot of progressives. A lot of progressives are probably going to skip the presidential election this year, rather than reward one of the most deranged and regressive primary campaigns we've ever witnessed. If he doesn't see "fucking whore" as something that he needs to distance himself from, then he isn't "my" candidate.


by Little Otter on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:25:16 PM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (2.00 / 2)

NARAL gave Obama a 100% rating... I will take their word that he is a reliable vote for choice.

His voting record is actually slightly more liberal than hers is.

Beyond that, if you call yourself a Democrat and if he is the Democratic nominee, that would make him your representative in this election.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:32:49 PM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

Hillary isn't so progressive, either... she voted to go to war in Iraq, and hasn't apologized for it... she wants to go to war with Iran.... she's adopting right wing gimmicks like the gas tax pander... She is a regular on Fox news and uses them to promote her message... she attacks Obama with right wing framing... shall I go on?

She was much more progressive before March, but now I'm not so sure... she's been campaigning so much like a Republican, that it has been hard to tell the difference between her and McCain sometimes.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:37:27 PM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

HRC does not "want to go to war with Iran"

It was a reponse to Israel's defence from Iran.  Get it?


"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?
by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:59:44 AM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

Kyl-Lieberman ammendment...  she told O'Reilly that Iran was an imminent threat... that's warmongering talk!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:38:00 AM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

My ,

You see the problem with your statement?

"she wants to go to war with Iran.... she's adopting right wing gimmicks"  You frame the Iran thing just like a repuc, spin it if you will.

HRC does not "want to go to war with Iran"

fool


"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?
by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:01:54 AM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

Then shy did she tell Bill O'Reilly otherwise?  Why did she vote for the Kyl-Lieberman ammendment?


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:38:46 AM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (none / 0)

Listen, The day a "democratic voter" uses Bill O as a reference is the day hell froze over.

think man, what.... are ..... you.....doing?


"Little Distractions Become Major Attractions" - How can you possibly win?
by ctmayor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:50:16 AM EST
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Re: that might work if HRC was behind this (1.00 / 0)

Well he is the Democratic candidate, and this is a democratic site. So if you're not supporting the democratic nominee then you are now nothing but a TROLL. Kindly return to those hate filled sites, hill44 and Marshmouth, you so love.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:48:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

This isn't about Hillary right now.

Hillary was held in check on all of these issues because she needed a party unity among all demographics to win in the fall.

McCain and the GOP are beholden to no one.  It's all gloves off.  

The media likes to declare issues "over" and pretend that they'll never come back.  

"Look everybody, he gave another speech!  He put the issue to rest!"

Bah, it's bandaids on a hemmhorage.  But Wright, and I'd argue more importantly, Cling-to-Guns are with us for the long-haul.  

Cling-to-Guns is a huge GOP favorite in ads already.  There's a reason my ears spiked up the first time I heard that on the news.  I thought, "You gotta be kidding me!  He didn't really say that!?"

Anyway, Pennsylvania really dislikes him over that one.  Good luck making up those 21 EV's elsewhere.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:27:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

You sound positively gleeful.


by Mostly on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:45:11 AM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 1)

That sounds about right. Jimmy Carter (an Obama supporter) does the same thing.


by soyousay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:50:25 PM EST

It's something that our soundbite... (none / 0)

...black and white press doesn't really take the time to understand.

Hamas does support terrorism.  They are also a legitimate political entity that has won elections in palestinian countries.

They're like the IRA/Sin Fein only without the seperate names.  So it's easy to conflate the "terrorism" arm from the "political" arm.


by DawnG on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:23:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 2)

Seriously is this true.  What the f are they thinking about.

david


by giusd on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:52:10 PM EST

Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 1)

The "advisor" (more friend) works for an NGO that does this. It's his job.


by Falsehood on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:02:35 PM EST
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I don't think they are thinking (2.00 / 1)

because at this point even the suggestion of stuff like this is not some place a candidate wants to find himself in. They just figure their strategy is to throw them under the bus (think grandma, wright, those bitter voters) or just claim its an "attack" or "smear".  Better come up with something a lot better than that!  Repugs don't care.


by 4justice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:16:10 PM EST
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Re: I don't think they are thinking (none / 0)

AGAIN, because those "issues" worked really well for clinton, DIDN'T they. I love how you've now turned into a concern troll.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:32:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 2)

Are you a Republican?  Is this supposed to be a big deal?  


by KevinT on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:52:13 PM EST

Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 2)

I'm no Republican.  I'm a loyal Democrat.  BUT I WANT TO WIN IN NOVEMBER. And I worry that with Obama we won't.

My point is that this type of ammunition will be used by the GOP to destroy our chances.  Why help them by having an adviser that meets with Hamas?


by bdog on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:59:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 1)

First off it is an unofficial advisor, second it was the GUY'S FREAKING JOB!  Seriously, i wonder if any of you really care about getting a Democrat in office anymore.  This poop throwing from one side to the other is driving me nuts.  The primary is 95% over, can we just hold things together for a few more weeks and then just unload on McRusty?


by Xris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:46 PM EST
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Robert Malley worked in the Clinton WH (2.00 / 3)


He worked in the Clinton White House for 7 Years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mall ey


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:53:03 PM EST

Serious question (2.00 / 1)

What's your point?


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:01:28 PM EST
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Re: Serious question (none / 0)

That if you can tie him to Obama you can tie him to Hillary Clinton.


by Mostly on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:47:47 AM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 2)

Did you even read what the Obama camps response was?

You people will stop at nothing. I went to your little spawn to see where you cocked up your ideas and found a lovely little nugget
on Taylor Marsh. Rumors that B.O. kills people! That's right!

This is what they are going to make a diary of next:

Donald Young told Obama that he needed to tell the truth about something, so he had him murdered. A $1000.00 reward is obsurd! Obama was close to young and with all of his money, he didn't put up more of a reward. Wake up everyone!!! Just remember, if you defend Obama; you are disrespecting a great man, "Donald Young"!! Do what you want, but Obama had him murdered and Rev. Wright knows about it. That's why Obama didn't disown Wright, in the very beginning. Once Wright went on his little speaking tour, Obama went to see him that night and said, "if you want me to be president, you need to stop". Wright was hurt because of Obama's disowning his comments and that's why he did it. His anger got the best of him. Wright agreed and Obama disowned him completely! Notice that you haven't seen Wright lately? If he was so angry about Obama disowning his comments, why do you think that Wright SUDDENLY isn't upset about disowning him completely? REST IN PEACE DONALD!!
mookiedog     | 05.09.2008 - 9:29 pm | #


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:54:43 PM EST

Clinton surrogates have joined the VRWC (2.00 / 1)

this the kind of shit Jerry Falwell used to peddle in the middle of the nite.  

And of course, Fox News and Scaife pushed they Hillary killed Vince Foster and Bill killed Ron Brown crap.

They've become what they hated


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:07:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 1)

you people?  All Clinton supporters are the same?  I suppose all Obama supporters are the same then.


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:52:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

Seems to be... Check out some of the diaries and posts around here sometimes... every paints with very broad brushes.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:08:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

yeah, I've noticed.  But suggesting that Obama is a murderer is a little out there.  I haven't seen anyone here say that.


by slynch on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:21:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

did you post that to discredit the site? It sounds like something some loony toon Obama supporter on a rampage would cook up.


by Little Otter on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:27:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

How sad that the only thing clinton has have left is to take sides with the Repugs. And do please explain how meeting with Hama in the future would harm the United States? Hamas is an organization fighting to wrest control of their land from the opressive Aparteid Israeli government.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:57:29 PM EST

Then please explain (2.00 / 1)

why Obama fired him for it?


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:10:06 PM EST
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I guess you only read the headline. (2.00 / 1)

typical


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:14:24 PM EST
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I don't know who you are (none / 0)

but you're not making alot of sense to me. I read the entire comment, and directed my question at this part: "please explain how meeting with Hamas in the future would harm the United States?"

Perhaps it's you who didn't read, hmmm? :)


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:19:08 PM EST
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Is this Mark Penn? (none / 0)

Mark, a lot of things don't make sense to you.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:44:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Is this Mark Penn? (none / 0)

A show about donuts is on the Travel Channel right now.

I know how much you enjoy off topic responses ;)


by phoenixdreamz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:56:54 PM EST
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Re: Then please explain (1.50 / 2)

He has to, and that's the sorry state of American politics is that right wing jewish organizations have highjacked American Israeli policy.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:29:18 PM EST
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Re: Then please explain (none / 0)

"right-wing jewish organizations that have highjacked American Israeli policy."

Despicable.  Take your anti-semitism elsewhere.


by bdog on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:24:17 PM EST
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Re: Then please explain (none / 0)

Being against Americas lopsided support of Israel is not anti semitic. Israel is a country NOT a religion. Nice try with thos right wing insults though.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:55:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama and Israel (none / 0)

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/08/ politics/fromtheroad/entry4081834.shtml

Obama Says US Commitment to Israel "Unshakeable"

And thank God for that.


by mady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:17:41 AM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 2)

why the hell are the freepers allowed here to post bullshit?


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:01:08 PM EST

Obama May not Even Carry New York (2.00 / 2)

I think he will get the lowest percentage of the Jewish vote of any Democratic nominee in living memory. Maybe that Marist poll showing him losing New York to McCain wasn't far off. Can't help him in Broward County either.


by hypopg on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:05:23 PM EST

Re: Obama May not Even Carry New York (none / 0)

uh there was just recently a story showing him and McCain essentially tied amongst the Jewish community, but keep wishing away a Democrat in the White House.


by Xris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:43:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama May not Even Carry New York (none / 0)

Actually he and Clinton were near tied with her somewhat ahead.  He polls about 65O/35M with McCain.  Jews vote Democratic, and he is staunchly pro Israel (see comment above).


by mady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:20:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama May not Even Carry New York (none / 0)

But I thought the sky was falling and the end of days was upon us?


by Xris on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:22:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama May not Even Carry New York (none / 0)

Not so much.


by mady on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:37:10 AM EST
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Dammit! (2.00 / 1)

He should have held on to him so he could be embarrassed by him in October. Now McCain can't use it against Obama. I'm sure something else will give Hils a chance in 2012.


by elrod on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:05:46 PM EST

Ummm... (2.00 / 3)

I don't see why this is that big of a problem. After Wrightgate, bittergate, fingergate and Ayersgate, I can't see Obama catching too much flack for this and not recovering. This guy is working as a peace broker for an NGO, and not in tandem with the Obama campaign to do the things he did w/Hamas.

And considering he was a member of the Clinton WH, wouldn't this catch flak for both sides?

It's time to quit worrying about silly things like this and start worrying about how we're going to win in November. Stop letting what the bogey-man GOP may or may not do affect our nominee decide.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:08:18 PM EST

Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

I'm not worrying about how we are going to win in November... I just know that we will...

Once the electorate starts seeing this latest version of McCain, the bloom will fall completely off the rose.

Oh, and nice diary earlier.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:10:45 PM EST
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Re: Ummm... (none / 0)

I for one am tired of people sticking their heads in the sand about Obama's electoral problems.

Each incident on it's own isn't that big of a deal. The problem is that this ties into the larger narrative about Obama being pro hamas. He hasn't really dealt with that.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:44:42 AM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 1)

Part of the plan for victory requires that we stop living in fear of the Republicans.


by rfahey22 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:13:19 PM EST

good point (2.00 / 1)

so don't use the "fear of McCain" on HRC voters who will not vote for Obama.


by 4justice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:18:38 PM EST
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Re: good point (none / 0)

That actually makes no sense.  The point is not to wet the bed about every supposed scandal that the Republicans may or may not use in the fall.  However, if McCain wins, this country is in for bad times.  

Try not to use a soundbite before you understand it.  


by rfahey22 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:21:09 PM EST
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Re: good point (none / 0)

I agree... no one is claiming "fear of McCain"... they are claiming "fear of a McCain Presidency"... which would, indeed be a disaster.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:50:53 PM EST
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Re: good point (none / 0)

In 2004, 6% of democrats voted for Bush... yes George freakin Bush, so I am not suprised that same number would vote for McCain.


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:21:25 PM EST
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Re: good point (none / 0)

I would expect a much higher number to vote for McCain this time round. Check out those N.C. exit polls. They were scary. 50% of HRC's supporters wouldn't vote for Obama.


by hypopg on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:20:35 PM EST
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Re: good point (none / 0)

And Obama is still beating McCain.  Imagine what happens when those people return to the fold.

Incidentally, the NC numbers were a joke.  I think something like 15% of Hillary voters also said they wouldn't vote for... Hillary.


by Mostly on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:54:32 AM EST
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Hmmm, (none / 0)

Since your diary consists of lifting an entire article -- thereby violating fair use to the nth degree.  You write one sentence -- steal someone else's work and you call this a diary?  If you don't delete you are putting this site at risk for copyright violations.


by gchaucer2 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:21:08 PM EST

So let me get this straight (2.00 / 1)

A peripheral sometimes adviser to the Obama campaign who works for an NGO that deals with mid-east policy has some sort of contact with Hamas as part of his job and having nothing to do with the campaign and you consider this a big deal?

Man, you should get some blood pressure pills then, because Obama is going to surround himself with all kinds of advisers, some who agree with him, some who don't, some he agrees with, some he doesn't. The era  of having a President that surrounds himself with yes-men is over, and if you can't deal with that you're going to be one unhappy camper.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:32:07 PM EST

Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

I hope an Obama administration meets with Hamas as well.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:33:23 PM EST

I don't know about you guys (2.00 / 1)

But I kind of like the idea of a president with advisers who have actually, you know, met with some of the key players in the Middle East and might actually know what they're talking about.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:47:10 PM EST

Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

What is this, Obama's "Iran Contra"?


by LindaSFNM on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:15:36 PM EST

Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

?


by Mostly on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:55:19 AM EST
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Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (2.00 / 1)

"Mr Malley, a respected commentator on Middle Eastern issues and part of President Clinton's negotiating team at the Camp David talks, has come under attack in recent months from right-wing bloggers."

What has happened to the Democratic party? We used to fight together against this bullshit from the Republicans? The Clintons had to face if for eight years and now some Hillary supporters are more than happy to use their tactics to attack Obama no matter  that they don't make sense. What has happened to us? There is nothing real in this smear and you know it. Instead of crying about how it is going to hurt Obama, fight against it. Oh, but I forgot, if Hillary isn't the Dem candidate, then no one should be.


by batgirl71 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:17:40 PM EST

Re: Obama adviser met with Hamas; now fired (none / 0)

This reflects the weakness of the Democratic Party as a whole. So no one should be gloating even if you  do not support obama. It is ridiculous how Obama has to cower before people who have a blanket mentality of no talks whatsoever. Face it. We have dealt with monsters far worse than Hamas in the past. And the US government will continue to do so in the future. That is reality. But when it comes to the middle east, all convention is out the window.


by Pravin on Sat May 10, 2008 at 06:40:23 AM EST


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