a pawn, a queen and king.

what part of 'im not quitting' do you not understand?

HRC has made her postion clear - yet all we hear from the media and in the blogoshpere is the continued pile on of her or discussions of her quitting.  i am not saying that she is going to win, and as much a i like to play armchair politics, i have no idea what strategies she has up her sleeve.

and frankly the continued calls for her to get out sort of remind me of a chess game i played a while back where i was killing my opponent and the only pieces they had left were a pawn, a queen and king.  i on the other hand, was in great shape - you know what?  

i ended up losing.

you know when its over?  when HRC or BO say it is.



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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 2)

chess an d politics are games of strategy!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:01:21 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (none / 0)

There's no reason to quit when you have a pawn, a queen, and a king left.

Unfortunately, Hillary has no queen.  She has no power pieces left on the board.  Your analogy is rather off, unfortunately.


by Lawyerish on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:15 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (none / 0)

Something could still happen - but we don't want him to be considered the nominee yet - he;ll get whipped din WV and KY, and it won't look good.


by Falsehood on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:13:08 PM EST
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Indeed. Hillary's had a glass jaw. (2.00 / 1)

that said, kos and everyone else who likes democrats wants her in it at least until KY. She should get her support while she is still running.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:12:02 PM EST
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so, (2.00 / 1)

you suck at chess....that doesn't make you a bad person.


by citizendave on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:03:52 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

Well, the media does whatever is in the media's interest.  But, in any event, I think that the nomination fight is closer to a game of Risk in its late stages than a game of chess, where one player controls most of the map and is slowly grinding out a win, even though the other player occasionally wins some battles along the way.  


by rfahey22 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:05:23 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

I'd say it's like Checkers, where you've got only one king left, bouncing back and forth to keep from losing while the other person just waits for you to give up.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:37 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

awesome analogy! and not just because I love risk! :-p


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:37 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

The Ukraine is weak, my friend!


by rfahey22 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:09:31 PM EST
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UKRAINE IS NOT WEAK! n/t (2.00 / 1)


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:21:43 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, but Hillary's got a cash-in with a wild card and the game's gone on long enough that the cash-ins are getting big.  The media get to breathlessly report huge wins in WV and Kentucky, the probable seating of the delegates in Michigan and Florida, and with that seating the realization that the delegate numbers just changed, as did the popular vote count.

All these things will turn into High Drama.  Will it change the outcome?  Doubtful, but not impossible.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:19:55 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (none / 0)

Uhh, Canadian Gal, look. I know you felt really strongly about Clinton, even though you're not American, but listen- just because Clinton didn't say it was over doesn't mean it's not over, effectively.

Truly, Clinton is doing herself, her legacy, and the party more harm than good now. If she has such experience and benefits in places Obama lacks, she needs to bring them back into the fold and help him now. This only serves to bring us closer to disaster.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:07:46 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 3)

um - with due respect - i give her and BC much more credit as political minds than you.  and besides that - your comments make no sense based on their history. maybe she has resigned herself to a loss, maybe she hasnt - but it is over when SHE says it is, not me, not you or the media.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:10:25 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (1.50 / 2)

Well, thanks for insulting me anyway- "With due respect" is just a polite way to indicate thus- really, you're just showing how strongly you feel about Clinton rather than demonstrating a reasonable suggestion as to why Clinton's not finished, other than she hasn't conceded.

Though over the wire, a report just came down from one of her campaign staffers- seems like she's going to take this through June 3rd, and concede on June 15th if the superdelegates haven't flocked to her. That's fine with me, as long as she stops this "Obama's a scary black man, nobody'll vote for him" bullshit.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:15:04 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

It's over when the numbers say.  Not when SHE says.

Teams don't have to admit that they are beaten to be beaten.

My guess is that May 20th, the numbers will say that she's beaten.


by Lawyerish on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:36:37 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

I've never said she should get out and, frankly, I've heard very few people say that.

So this is one of those straw man arguments.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:11:06 PM EST

Really? (2.00 / 2)

You've heard very few people calling for Hillary to get out of the race?  Hmm.  I must be living in a very different reality from you then.  That seems to be all we've been hearing from certain quarters for months...sporadically, of course.  There have been folks calling for her to end the race since after Super Tuesday.


The universe is a casual place, not a suit-and-tie affair.
by mtnspirit on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:24:26 PM EST
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Re: Really? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, people used to say that.  But they don't anymore.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:50:42 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (1.50 / 2)

Hillary and Bill are losing their throne.  They don't know up to give up their dynasty that they think is owed to them.  If I was the Clintons I would be thinking about how to get my millions back.  Losing over 11 million dollars is not chunk change.


by Spanky on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:12:30 PM EST

I think that's not small in their minds (2.00 / 1)

I think that after the convention the candidate can only be repaid up to $250,000, so they really need to raise money to pay off most of what Hillary's loaned herself in the next month or so.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:16:36 PM EST
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Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 1)

You didn't say what chess pieces you had left on the board.  As long as someone's got their queen and a pawn who can become a queen, they're in good position.

There's a symbolic checkmate and an official checkmate in a game beyond the checks.  Obama has checked Hillary many times, but the symbolic checkmate is still to come.  The official checkmate is when he has enough delegates to become the nominee.  However, the symbolic checkmate is when he has enough delegates (both pledged and unpledged) that she CANNOT win the nomination.  I think he's about 40 delegates away from that checkmate.  If she stays in after that she might as well be a king running around the board one space at a time.  She'll just be delaying the inevitable.


by The Distillery on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:13:27 PM EST

The mistake you make is that it's up to her (2.00 / 1)

Right now everybody's giving Hillary the room to get out as she sees fit, but after June 3rd she's just going to be harming the party and hampering the general election. If she doesn't concede shortly thereafter the supers will pull the plug. They don't want to, but they will. It's important to begin scheduling debates between Obama and McCain and getting the general election underway.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:14:53 PM EST

I love the game of pool. On many (2.00 / 2)

occasions, playing 8-ball,  my opponent had all of his balls in except the 8-ball and I still had most of mine on the table. I never gave up, and usually won. When someone is ahead to the point of declaring themselves the winner before the 8-ball is sunk, they oftentimes make mistakes, get careless. If you can just hang around and stay on the table, things sometimes break your way. Not always, but more often than mere chance would explain. Besides, it would be completely foolhardy for Hillary to drop out on the eve of some really big wins coming right up. She is palying to win this thing and Obama and his supporters get dismissive of her at their peril. As long as there is any window, however small, to the nomination,  Hillary is not going anywhere.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:17:15 PM EST

Re: I love the game of pool. On many (none / 0)

Sports metaphors only get you so far.  Before long, his lead in delegates is going to be greater than the number of delegates left.

As it is, she has to win over 70% of the remaining delegates.  That's like being behind 20 with three seconds left in a basketball game: I've never seen it happen, but it's physically possible.  But who are we kidding.


by Mostly on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:20:53 PM EST
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It doesn't matter what Hillary says. (2.00 / 1)

All candidates say they aren't quitting... right up until they do.  John Edwards is the most recent; the day before he dropped out, he said he was going all the way to the convention.

What do you expect her to say?  "We are weighing our options as to whether or not we are going to drop out"?  "We are not quitting now, but we will in three days"?

Don't look at what she says, look at what her supporters do.  Howard Wolfson is shopping around for a book deal.  Rahm Emanuel has called Obama "the presumptive nominee".


by Mostly on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:18:19 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (2.00 / 2)

Yeah the cable talking heads are fools. It's quite obvious to me why she's staying in until the end, and before anyone jumps on with wild theories it has nothing to do with destroying Barack Obama or the party, but yammering and wringing of hands draws eyeballs I suppose.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:19:08 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (1.50 / 2)

Keep sending her money!

Mark Penn can buy a batch of jelly donuts with your 10 dollar

contribution.


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:25:24 PM EST

Re: a pawn, a queen and king. (none / 0)

"A pawn, a king and a queen."
Lol.
Obama isn't anyone's pawn. The Clintons are no king and queen. And the last I checked, mate, McCain not only plays Checkers, but also has a dog by that name. Trouble is, we'll never get to hear McCain give his Checkers speech.
McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:33:57 PM EST


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