If I was a Republican

by DTaylor, Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:58:23 PM EST

It occurs to me that if I was a Republican Obama would want my vote.

As a DLC democrat Team Obama doesn't want to hear from me and Dailykos hates on me constantly.

But if I was a Republican with no past history of voting for the democratic party and was thinking about possibly backing the democratic party again Team Obama would fall all over themselves to court my vote.

My standing in their minds would GO UP!

Its as if the votes for democrats in the past has actually diminished my stature with Team Obama.

Clearly I have been taken for granted as a Democrat by MSNBC and CNN 360 etc.  They don't value my stature as a democrat.  They show bias to Obama because he has crossover support that allows him to over power the democratic base who selected Hillary.

Have we become the party where Republican's in Alaska are more important than Democrats?

Have I been a fool all along to vote for the democrat in elections when I should have been splitting my vote and registered independent?

Team Obama has me thinking VERY seriously about what loyalty means.  I have been loyal and look what its gotten, the candidate of the democratic party voter is likely to lose in the democratic primary.

Team Obama and Dailykos are already talking about running primary opponents in NY against Hillary.

I seriously come back again and again to the notion that I wouldn't have to deal with BS like this if I was an independent or maybe even a Republican.

And to think if I wanted Team Obama to react to me how much more voice I would have if I wasn't a democrat.....

This cycle has been a very sad one for me.




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The war (2.00 / 1)

The war on the DLC continues until they are gone.

Sorry, but this is nothing new.

Im not part of some organized movement, but can't help noticing hundreds of colleagues feeling the same way.

You realize they been the pariah of our party for years now.

It's not Kos, its Democrats.

What has the DLC done for us lately, how about ever?

It is the party's own albatross.


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:02:01 PM EST

Re: The war (none / 0)

What has the DLC ever done? How about actuallyl winning the presidency for two consecutive terms and actually getting hundreds of Democratic judges appointed to the federal bench?


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:14:39 PM EST
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Re: The war (2.00 / 1)

And what about actually passing welfare reform that was so great for the black community (yea!), enacting NAFTA, deregulating numerous industries, opening trade up to China (who is on its way to owning our freaking country), and losing the majority in Congress which made Clinton have to compromise even more!

Yea for coopting policies of the right and making them our own to win elections!  If only all Democrats were New Democrats, then we could just call ourselves Republicans!


by The Distillery on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:21:32 PM EST
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Re: The war (none / 0)

So you rather that Bush 41 were reelected and instead of Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Steven Breyer on the bench, we had John Yu and Miguel Estrada? Or that Dan Quayle for 4 more years instead of Al Gore having 8 as VP. Or that no one was there to stand up against Newt's plan to eliminate the Dept of Educatio or that...


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:28:14 PM EST
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Since you're talking about hypotheticals (none / 0)

I would rather have had Al Gore run for president in 1992 despite his DLC affiliation or that Bob Kerrey would have won instead.  By 1992, the DLC had largely hijacked the Democratic Party and there were few viable non-DLC choices.  With Obama's election and previous rejection of inclusion in the DLC, we will hopefully be able to get passed the way they have watered down our values.


by The Distillery on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:58:51 PM EST
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Re: The war (none / 0)

The DLC took the party out of the doldrums. I don't understand why the extreme left wing of the party is so surprised that Bill goverened as a centerist. He said he would before the election.


by handsomegent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:27:55 PM EST
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Re: The war (none / 0)

Right. He campaigned on endign welfare was "we know it", which was a good thing, IMHO.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:28:44 PM EST
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And something the voters wanted (none / 0)

Let's not forget that.  But, for these purists, political correctness is more important than winning.  I always say that the Kossak wing fails to understand that one only has two choices in America: Republican rule (right wing or moderate) of moderate Democratic rule.  America hates the left.  Americans get disgusted with the right but they won't even vote for the left.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:56:09 PM EST
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Re: And something the voters wanted (none / 0)

Well thats a piss poor opinion of America.

So why does America hate the left?  
By your logic America will always be conservative?


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:01:24 PM EST
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America is conservative (none / 0)

Conservative in the old sense, not the right wing Republican sense.  America is incrementalist, moderate, and pragmatic.  


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:16:48 PM EST
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Like the New Deal or Civil Rights legislation... (none / 0)

very incrementalist.  There have always been periods in our country's history where we have been more progressive and forward-thinking.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:41:29 PM EST
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True, we have periods of departure from tradition (none / 0)

But, the New Deal was born from severe economic crisis.  Civil rights legislation was not something that just appeared overnight.  That legislation was the culmination of many years of struggle and was the inevitable battle over division in America that persisted for many, many years but could not be sustained indefinitely.

By the way, since you mention the period of Civil Rights legislation: the 60s, I acknowledge that period and the first term of George Bush as the least incremental periods of my lifetime but  severe backlashes followed each.  In 2006, America's vote for the Democrats was a call for return to normalcy.  I hope the left doesn't drive the party into believing it was a call for a progressive revolution.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:00:23 PM EST
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Re: The war (none / 0)

He signed welfare reform because it was the one thing Bob Dole was running on and the bill was basically introduced by Dole in congress.


by The Distillery on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:02:07 PM EST
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Stop being so reality based! (none / 0)

Can't you dream of a better world? Can't you imagine the fall of indigenous American conservatism in one swoop like the Berlin wall?

I feel sorry for you!!!!!!  Not enough Kool Aide in your diet, apparently.


by lombard on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:59:28 PM EST
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Re: Stop being so reality based! (none / 0)

Yes I do see it falling,  
Why can't you at least hold some type of dream.

If anything you are a hindrance to that goal.

They almost destroyed us, we are in a much better position they were ever in to return the favor.

Bush has murdered 4000 of our own citizens in Iraq in the name of his party.
And they deserve to exist.

Look Lombard, the problem with out paty is NONE has the balls to uppercut the republicans.

The DLC teaches us to fear them, never to call them war mongers, or liars.

look at this guy, He has more American spirit than most people I know, and he is Scottish!

You find me anyone in the DLC who can stand like this?

Im pushing for my Democrats to show some backbone, are you doing the same?


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:06:15 PM EST
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Are you nuts? (2.00 / 1)

In 1992, there were 267 Democratic Congressmen and 56 Democratic Senators. In 2000, there were 211 Democratic Congressmen and 45 Democratic Senators.

The DLC put the party INTO the doldrums.


by Angry White Democrat on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:39:11 PM EST
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Re: Are you nuts? (none / 0)

Just before 1978 there were 61 Democratic senators and 38 republicans

there were 292 democrats in the house and 143 republicans

Between 1976 and 1992 we lost 5 senators, and 81 house seats.

Whats your point?

The country is moving to the right and our stupid ass left wing won't vote to where the victories are.


by DTaylor on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:45:06 AM EST
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Re: Are you nuts? (none / 0)

It wasn't the "stupid ass left wing" that gave us the 1994 disaster.

It was Bill Clinton and the DLC.

Terry McAulifee was obsessed with chasing big corporate donations, and he moved the Democratic party to the right in pursuit of that goal. He succeeded - he got a lot more corporate money - but what he didn't realize was that the big corporate fat cats always favored the Republicans, no matter how much the Democrats tried to sound and act like them.

The DLC strategy got us killed. It's time to try something different.


by Angry White Democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:09:07 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 2)

Gimme a break, Taylor, this is a bunch of nonsense. Look, this is what made me leave the Republican party- "You're not willing to parrot the party line and accept our decisions with no thought? YOU'RE NOT A REAL REPUBLICAN! We don't want you!"

And here you're telling me essentially the same thing, only in reverse.

Republicans aren't our enemies; we need to appeal to all walks of life if we truly want to win elections and move forward with our political agendas. Senator Jim Webb is a big advocate of this; he's an example of the sorts of people Obama is reaching out to. But just because Clinton didn't win doesn't mean Obama doesn't want to reach out to EVERYONE.

That's my problem with you and Clinton. Your attitude is, only Democrats matter; only the way we've known it in the past matters; and if YOU want to matter, you'd better damn well play along and toe the party line.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:03:34 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

As an aside, why were you ever a Republican?


by The Distillery on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:22:48 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 2)

My father grew up a Republican. He started a Democrat, in Iowa of all places, and when Hubert Humphrey got picked by party bosses in the Caucuses he participated in, he went over to the Republican side hardcore.

I grew up under that, and was in the military. In 2000, I supported McCain hardcore, and was mortified about how Bush treated him. I was all for fiscal conservatism, but I was always more liberal than my father. I never got what the big deal was with "teh ghey", I figured nobody really likes abortion, so trying to flay those pro-choice people as almost going "HURRAY FOR ABORTION!" was dumb, and belied an attempt to skip truly answering a hard question- but I also believed we should step in militarily, and step in hard in Rwanda, Bosnia, etc, where people were suffering.

So, I never fit the Republican party line totally, and it only got worse as they got more idiotic in their attitude and policies. At first, I believed Bush's compassionate conservative line, but look how that panned out.

Now I support Obama. Go figure. A single dad, on the poverty line, working full-time and going to school full-time, former Republican, who not just a few years aog would have derided most of the people I'm now friends with on here and Kos as crazy lefties, for Obama.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:31:01 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

Rage you are my point.

McCain will be my first GOP vote for president in my life.

The only other GOP vote I have ever cast is for my local house rep who is a good guy.

I have to ask are you voting dem on the down ticket?


by DTaylor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36:06 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 1)

Hell yes, I am, because the candidate downticket in my area are all good people. You, however, are only voting for McCain out of some sort of stupid take-my-ball-and-go-home ploy, because if you really cared about policy decisions, you wouldn't be saying this.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:45:14 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

I will be voting Hillary on the down ticket as a write in.

Although I may vote GOP will let Obama's victory speech decide should he win.


by DTaylor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:48:37 PM EST
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You just said (none / 0)

you're voting McCain, make up your damn mind, are you or are you not voting McCain?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:33:05 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 1)

So go become an independent or a Republican.  

This election isn't about you it is about our country.  If you don't like Obama because the Kossacks picked on you then I suggest you grow up.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:05:47 PM EST

if you were a repub.... (none / 0)

obama would want your vote;

but you are a dem and have sworn alligence to mccain over obama.............do explain, i'm dying to hear the logic in this one.


by citizendave on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:07:22 PM EST

This diary makes me sad. (none / 0)

Then again, I don't know how anyone could identify themselves as a DLC dem. Care to enlighten me?


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:10:03 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 1)

So called "progressive" Democrats want to tear down the party and rebuild it in their image.  This much is clear from their behavior during this primary.  Self importance has trumped Democratic beliefs.  I never thought I would see the day that this would happen and I am incredibly sad that I have.


by JustJennifer on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:10:39 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

You're sad that some want to push liberal ideals, instead of constantly playing defense while the GOP goes on the attack?

Anti-gay, anti-minority, anti-poor, anti-immigrant, and they win on these issues because Democrats are too afraid that if we really fight we might lose...so we pretend we're for slightly more left leaning approaches to these issues, and we still get our asses kicked!  

I don't want to tear down anything and rebuild it in anyone's image.  I DO want to act like we care and have real values that we're willing to fight for.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:54:50 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 5)

I'm not DLC, but I am one of the "old school" Democrats -- you know, union family, minority, Catholic, grandparents worked for FDR, parents in the civil rights movement, worked for Robert Kennedy, yadda yadda yadda.

My feeling is that at the post-primary stage NO Democratic nominee WOULD or SHOULD need to court me.  My loyalty isn't at issue.  My vote should be and is a given.  I'm a Democrat and will, of course, vote for our party's nominee.

Once the primary is decided, our nominee should be reaching out to undermine McCain and the Republicans.  Don't make them waste time shoring up our base unless you want 4 more years of Bush 2.1.


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:18:49 PM EST

great comment n/t (2.00 / 1)


by ameridad on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:25:08 PM EST
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Aggreed, Democrats like you kick ass n/t (none / 0)


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:12:56 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 2)

"Its as if the votes for democrats in the past has actually diminished my stature with Team Obama."

If you think that sort of thing is wrong, why do so many Clinton supporters treat African American voters the same way?

Look, the Republican party went out of its way to get under one candidate as quickly as they could.  They are absolutely unforgiving about dissent, which they see as disloyalty.

Your candidate has lost.  She can run until the last primary if she likes (and probably should), but the fact of the matter is either you are here because you believe in Hillary alone, or you are here because the values and goals of the Democratic Party were important enough to attract you at some prior time.

Would you sell out your country because you thought the less than best candidate got nominated?  You seem to suggest it.

You (presumably) had your chance to vote, to be heard.  That matters, and I respect the hell out of anyone who participates, whether I agree with them or not.

However, you'd be voting for a candidate, in Senator McCain, who will move the country further and further away from the things I assume matter to you.  If you're willing to do that, you're nuts.

And for what its worth, if you think Obama supporters have been rough on Clinton supporters, you should go to Redstate.com and see how they treated and continue to treat Ron Paul supporters.  They generally won't even let Paul supporters POST!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:21:10 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

Sell out my country if I don't vote Obama....

Its like George Bush sent Rove to be a progressive mouth piece.

I support my party of 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004 but I don't think I am going to be able to support the party of 2008 as its very motivated to tear down the party of 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004.

So sad


by DTaylor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:29:43 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 2)

The party of 1992 lost about 12 senate seats and 100 house seats.

The party of 1996 let his personal problems destroy the Democratic brand.

The party of 2000 lost an easy election against a moron.

The party of 2004 lost again, but out of the ashes of that loss was born a new movement that took back Congress in 2006 and now will help Obama win in 2008 with new tactics, not the fossilized DLC rhetoric (which I supported in the 1990s, by the way, when it was appropriate).

The DLC was all about playing defense during a time of Conservative power. Now we're on offense. Go back to the 90s.


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:35:44 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

The worse president of everyone's life time is in office and Kerry lost to him and lost seats in 2004.

Thats the WORST president of our lifetimes.

Its not even clear if Team Obama can win 2008 with the WORST president of our lifetimes exiting office.

Seriously are you guys clueless?

2006 or 2008 will be a repeat of 2000 with Team Obama.

Ask anyone in Mass. they will tell you...


by DTaylor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:38:30 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 1)

Ask anyone in Mass? Huh?

Look. Just because no one has discussed Hillary's unelectability for a while (since frankly, it's irrelevant) doesn't mean that she's not one of the most hated national figures in a generation (Bush, Gingrich, Nixon, Cheney, then Hillary).

She's horribly unelectable. She can't connect with voters on the emotional level (like Bill), so she's basically Al Gore/John Kerry part 3.


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:42:44 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

Al Gore lost because he allowed DLC consultants to mute his passion and water down what he stood for so much that average Americans weren't sure what he stood for. He has said as much himself.
In 2006, 'netroot' candidates Tester and Webb went on to Senate seats while the favored son of the DLC, the execrable Harold Ford, had his ass handed to him.
The DLC should be destroyed... they are the problem.
Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:27:14 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 2)

What is so complicated here?

Are you a progressive?

Is Senator Obama a progressive?

Has he run the more effective campaign under the rules the party set prior to the campaign?  The rules that Hillary's people had far more influence in creating than did Obama's?

Do you support the war?

You need some perspective.  I'm guessing from the years you voted that you're outside the age bracket that's most likely to serve in the military.  Got any relatives in the service?  Any friends?  Think we should expose them to this risk for no good reason?

A vote for McCain increases the odds that your friends or family in the service will die for an idiotic war we never needed to fight.  Your hurt feelings are a LOT less important than that.  I'm sorry your candidate lost.  I'm sorry she couldn't actually contest most of the caucuses, nevermind the fact that her husband got elected TWICE in the same basic system.  If there is a man alive who understands how to caucus it's Bill Clinton.  If they are so undemocratic, he could have said something prior to it being useful to the Clintons to start complaining.

Again, I'm sorry you aren't happy with the result.  I'm not just saying that either.  I really do mean it.  You had your chance to vote for Senator Clinton.  Fewer people did that than voted for Senator Obama, not that this matters very much.  That's not how the party picks a nominee.

Please, for the love of God, for the love of country, for the love of life and of our future, please think on what I've said.  There are many other fine women in politics.  The glass ceiling will be shattered.  The fact that Hillary hasn't done it isn't because all of men got together to block it either.  I didn't vote for Obama because he's a man and she's a woman.

I voted for him because I love my country and I want it to prosper.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:44:07 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

I am not a progressive.

If being progressive is a litmus test I fail and should be voting against those who make it a litmus test.


by DTaylor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:50:46 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 1)

It isn't a litmus test.  It was a probing question.

I'm not attacking you.  I don't dislike you.  I'm not mad at you.

Why do you insist on taking what I, and others say, as attacks?  Just because I voted for Obama doesn't mean I have a problem with people who didn't?

I'm here because I believe in this country.  I'm here because there are issues that matter far more to me than who the candidate is.  Who he or she is matters to me a great deal, but it ain't the end-all, be-all of life.

Again, how do you feel about continuing the war in Iraq indefinitely because some of you Hillary supporters seem unwilling to move on?  The choice you purport to make will get people killed when they don't have to die that way.

Am I trying to guilt you?  Yes.  You should realize that bruised egos and hurt feelings, while important, aren't the most important things out there.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:54:24 PM EST
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Supreme Court (2.00 / 1)

When torture is declared legal by the next supreme court, make sure that you tell everyone "I should be voting against those who make being progressive a litmus test." I'm sure we'll all respect you for it.


by SupremeCourt on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:12:19 PM EST
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"dem for a day" (none / 0)

I just think the kind of tactics obama has used to get the repug vote, including luring people into the caucuses, I just think down the road he will suffer from this.

Unilateral disarmament is what I see happening.  Obama won't go after Bush crimes because he doesn't want to do a "political witchhunt"...and he won't go after bush until he determines whether the lies that got us into war were "just bad policy".

So yes, what a dream to have Obama!  He'd look the other way! This is the "post partisan" candidate who unilaterally disarms democrats.

Brazile basically told the "base" to stay home. Why shouldn't we vote McCain?


by 4justice on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:24:44 PM EST

Re: "dem for a day" (none / 0)

"including luring people into the caucuses..."

Jesus, some the verbiage you folks use is like reading some bad airport novel?

Lured?

Damn, I thought I drove, parked in the church across the street, and walked to my caucus?

I must have missed "the luring" part.....


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:30:05 PM EST
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Re: "dem for a day" (none / 0)

Why should you vote for McCain?


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:31:26 PM EST
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"luring people into the caucuses" (2.00 / 1)

Vote McCain?

Your nose just called--it requests to be severed, as it believes that will give your face its come-uppance.


by McNasty on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36:23 PM EST
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Re: "dem for a day" (2.00 / 1)

Unlike you, some of us don't hang on every word of political consultants who appear on CNN.

Some of us vote for Democratic policy over Republican policy.


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36:56 PM EST
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Best example of doublethink yet (2.00 / 1)

...amusing. In a very sad way.

On one hand you are bashing Obama for not being tough enough against Bush's crimes.

On the other hand you are suggesting you could to go to vote for McCain, the man who hugs Bush and strongly supports those crimes and their continuation.

How can you so easily hold two contradictory opinions at once? This is one of the best real-life examples of doublethink I have ever seen.

You are a very VERY confused person, if you don't see that you answered your own question about why you shouldn't vote for McCain.


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:58:54 PM EST
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The diarist does have a point (none / 0)

There's something odd about wanting to get rid of the DLC but suggesting that Dick Lugar and Chuck Hagel might be worthy of cabinent positions  in a Democratic adminstration. Harold Ford, is not perhpas not a great Democrat, but he's better than Hagel and Lugar, and better than Ben Nelson, who Obama supporters don't seem to have a problem with.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36:09 PM EST

Re: The diarist does have a point (none / 0)

Harold Ford was not better than Ben Nelson. Nelson is a LOYAL Democrat who happens to live in a really red state.

Ford is part of the "the left is hurting me because they're to anti-war!" wing of the party.


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:40:57 PM EST
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Re: The diarist does have a point (none / 0)

Voting records suggest otherwise. Ford is well to the left of Nelson, the worst DINO in the senate. Nelson is in fact so chummy with Bush that he earned a special nickname, "Nellie" from him. He's probably as good as it gets for NE, but he's certainly not a good Democrat.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:42:25 PM EST
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House v. Senate... (none / 0)

not really conparative.  Although, I like Ford and it's a shame they played those racist tricks on Tennesee.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:54:56 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (2.00 / 3)

Gee, considering Obama is the first nominee I've ever supported who was eventually picked as the Dem candidate (dating back to Mondale), I guess I should be really pissed off now and should have voted for Reagan, Bush, Dole, and Bush.

Silly me.


by Rumproast on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:45:44 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

McCain and Obama are equidistant from my beliefs.

I really have a choice.

That you didn't with Reagan isn't my problem.


by DTaylor on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:53:06 PM EST
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Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

I recc'd this diary mainly because the comments are so great.

Obama supporters, I love to see the fire in the belly!


by vadasz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:01:44 PM EST

could you please provide a link... (2.00 / 1)

where "team obama" is recruiting someone to run against hillary (in the primary) in 2012?  my own experience with "team obama" is that they are focused solely on winning this primary and haven't given a lot of thought to anything else.  so not only is it shocking that you would suggest otherwise, i'm absolutely stunned that you said you were a democrat.

any evidence that the obama campaign has anything on their plates other than the primary would truly shock me (i'd understand if you're just trying to start some conspiracy theory, as i don't put much stock in those)...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:09:50 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

http://johnbrownks.blogspot.com/2008/03/ fraud-or-legitimate-pundit-taylor-marsh. html

Pretay, pretay hillarious stuff there.  Nicely investigated, John.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:29:04 PM EST

Re: If I was a Republican (none / 0)

I have absolutely nothing against the DLC, whatsoever.  If there's one thing Democrats do better than Republicans, it's infighting, and that's a key reason why we lose more than we should.  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:55:04 PM EST

the infighting (none / 0)

is because in the Democratic Party, it's all about ME.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:26:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If I was a Republican (none / 0)

You ARE a Republican


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:29:29 PM EST


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