HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers

I just saw this article on Huffington Post and it was interesting because at the same time I am reading Talk left and taylor Marsh and I saw EXACTLY what the supers here are talking about.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09 /clinton-supporters-send-l_n_100979.html

As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging them to not fall in line behind Barack Obama.

The letter writing campaign picked up steam late Thursday evening when several superdelegates confirmed that a coordinated effort had been launched, apparently independent of Clinton's campaign, to raise last-minute concerns about Obama's candidacy and present the specter of voter defections should the Illinois Democrat become the nominee.

nothing new people from both sides have been trying to persuade the supers to support their candidate. I  thought about it once, but I am a terrible writer so figured against it. but it seems as the reality starts to set in some supporters can't let go

Such campaigns targeting superdelegates have mostly been avoided out of fear that the party officials would react negatively to outside pressure. And at least four superdelegates on the receiving end of yesterday's emails suggested that they did more harm to Clinton's cause than good.

and the best part of all? TaylorMarsh.com posters, can go post this to them and basically say great job guys

"It was a 'spur of the moment' idea brought about by a blog (Taylor Marsh)," explained Shirley Luther, a Texas Democrat who threatened to vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee. "Tonight several of our bloggers came up with the idea of writing the super delegates. Someone on the blog found a list of emails and posted it.... Everything I wrote is the truth about my political background. The exit polls show I am not alone in refusing to vote for Obama and opting to McCain. This probably would not be possible if there was any other Republican running. But there are a lot of moderate Democrats who do respect his service."

Luther's email, compared to the nearly dozen provided to The Huffington Post, was mild in tone. Beyond threatening defection from the party, authors attacked Obama for his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, the unrepentant Weather Underground member who is a Chicago acquaintance of the senator. One writer accused the Illinois Democrat of playing the "race card" against the Clintons -- a proposition most political observers argue is reversed -- while several others called him a misogynist.

and here is what a Redstate democrat had to say about this new letter writing camapign

"I spent my entire life in the two reddest states in the entire U.S. so please excuse me if I fail to discern the nuances of the arguments sent my way this evening in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign to intimidate the remaining unpledged delegates by threatening to leave the party and vote for a third Bush term if I and others like me don't vote for Sen. Clinton," wrote the exasperated superdelegate. "I have been uncommitted throughout this campaign because I wanted to see how the candidates performed in a variety of settings. I am proud of them both. But I am horrified by this effort to threaten votes for McCain if super delegates don't vote for Sen. Clinton. I have received hundreds of emails from both sides - but I can say without exception that I have not received a single email from an Obama supporter that threatened a vote for McCain if I didn't support Sen. Obama. You really ought to be ashamed."



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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

as you sew, so shall you reP


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:26:06 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

I meant reap...


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:31:08 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

I`m sure you also meant sow


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:42:04 AM EST
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Plenty of time for sewing after all the reaping. (2.00 / 1)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:15:40 PM EST
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Re: Plenty of time for sewing after all the reapin (2.00 / 2)

I'm sleep deprived.......I mis-spoke....


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:36 PM EST
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Just kidding. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:11:19 PM EST
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I don't like TM.com (2.00 / 3)

yes, make no mistake I don't like that site, EVERYTHING HRC supporters complain about being done to them at Dailykos.com, was done to me at TM.com for no other reason then they were mad at OTHER people for what they did to them.

I don't use insulting terms like Clintonista and I expect people be act like adults and not use them against me.

I have a 2 year old daughter, when she grows up I won't accept "well they started it" as an excuse

so I damn well don't accept it from a bunch of 30-40 year old adults who probably have kids themselves!

once again those who want to leave the party if Obama is the nominee, then leave, we won't be blackmailed or intimidated.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:26:49 AM EST

We'll get enough sick of it republicans (2.00 / 1)

... sure as sunday.

you're welcome and encouraged to stay, we could use folks with passion and courage. but Together we Stand, divided we fall.

There are a lot of good republicans out there, trust me.

I'm sure a lot of Hillary supporters want to vent rage right now, and I'm fine with that.


His head is bowed. He thinks of men and kings. Yea, when the sick world cries, how can he sleep?
by RisingTide on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:30:29 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

maybe there is a serious problem with nominating Obama if many Clinton supporters are threatening this. if many Clinton supporters, who are more likely to be voters in a general because of their age and middle and older aged come out more, are not ready for Obama, why in gods name is this country?


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:26:49 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 2)

so you are saying the Millions of people who voted for Obama are NOT likely to be voters in the general?

if they want to take their ball and go home then let em, and if we lose so be it, apparently this isn't a big as a tent as we thought if we really have to tell the Black man, can't you wait 8 more years, we just aren't ready to vote for a black guy


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:28:34 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 2)

Ignore Jay.

He is on some "White Peoples Crusade", if you look at his posts and diaries....

Cause, you know, we have been so oppressed by the Black Man....


"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke, "There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke....
by WashStateBlue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:14 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 2)

Isn't Jay the one who thinks Black people's votes "should count less"?  Still waiting to hear how he plans to implement that....

Prog


by Progressive Witness on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:52:09 AM EST
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No that is (2.00 / 1)

DTaylor.

However Jay and DTaylor are similar enough in their posts to cause some confusion.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:25:32 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

That's a rather nasty thing to say and I'm sick of it.


by handsomegent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:52:09 PM EST
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i see (2.00 / 2)

so your solution us what?

to blackmail Obama supporters by saying vote Hillary or we will vote McCain? You think thats a good idea?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:29:51 AM EST
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Re: i see (1.00 / 1)

is it really that much different than blacks saying "nominate Obama,(even tho whites, who make up 77 percent of the total electorate, in states we could win, aren't voting for him even in his own liberal party)or we won't vote at all, or vote McCain?"


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:15:50 PM EST
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please provide a quote (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Mon May 12, 2008 at 02:07:55 AM EST
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The problem for the Democrats is that... (none / 0)

most likely the disaffected Clinton supporters will vote for McCain. They will. They actually  mean it. Obama supporters however, will probably vote for Clinton.

Hell of a fix. Heh.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:30:45 AM EST

Re: The problem for the Democrats is that... (2.00 / 1)

I think that is a short term situation.  See my diary for some early signs that we are already coming together as a party -- http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/9/10323 4/3957


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:32:29 AM EST
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so you are saying that (2.00 / 1)

Obama supporters are democrats and and Clinton supporters are not?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:45 AM EST
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Problem is that voting is not (none / 0)

monolithic. Republicans votes for Democrats & Republicans, Independents votes for Democrats & Republicans, Democrats votes for Democrats & Republicans.

At the end of the day, it all depends on the candidates. Obama supporters have so hated the Clinton supporters that they've turned against him. You reap what you sow.

You get what you pay for.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:41:56 AM EST
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In what previous election has a primary opponent's (2.00 / 1)

supporters lead to the wide-spread desertion of party members.  This doesn't make sense.  Why would so many abandon their principles on the Court, Iraq, the economy b/c their primary candidate lost?  That happens every election.  Why in this one are these people operating so contrary to past primary electorates?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:00:40 PM EST
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Because the primaries have now... (none / 0)

been defined along racial lines. Don't you get it?

That's the key difference this time round. Racial division. Right now it's only in the primary. In  the fall, it will be in the general.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:19:53 PM EST
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You don't have to buy into an attempt to divide... (2.00 / 1)

by race.  It's not a requirement.  Choose the Democratic candidate (Hillary or Barack) and we'll be fine.  It's not like I don't expect to the Republicans to try to divide along racial lines.  I just don't believe people are so willing to accept a candidate that will destroy this country b/c they're afraid of a black man.  You can either damn this country to McCain or vote for the policies and principles of the Democratic Party.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:04 PM EST
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It's not me you have to worry about... (none / 0)

it's the 65% of white working voters in IN & 67% of them in NC, that you have to worry about.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:31:53 PM EST
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Primary elections are not GE... (2.00 / 1)

Are there hurt feelings? Yeah.  Is it going to be more work to bring some of these people back into the fold? Yes.  That doesn't mean that we assume that they're gone.  It doesn't fit the pattern and thus I don't think it's going to happen.  Do you know how many former McCain supporters said they would vote for McCain over Bush in 2000? Around 30%.  Do you know how Republicans voted for Bush in 2000? Close to 95%.  There are hurt feelings and people are going to rail, but I don't see these people are going to go with McCain when he's not offering anything.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:53:52 PM EST
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I know democrats... (2.00 / 1)

boomers who are going to vote McCain or stay home in the fall. Why, because they have quote "no confidence in Obama as their leader" They don't think he's done anything to deserve the presidency except being popular & black and they're not going to vote for  him.

Sorry. I heard of on man who's going to vote for McCain because he thinks Cindy McCain is beautiful. You guys expect rationality in presidential choices and that's just not how it's going to be.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:25:57 PM EST
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I don't expect rationality... (none / 0)

I just expect the pattern to fit.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:42:57 AM EST
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So you're saying (none / 0)

Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama because he's black?  How insulting to them.


by JJE on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:33:15 PM EST
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Re: Problem is that voting is not (2.00 / 1)

EXCUSE me?

I've done nothing but see Obama supporters reach out and try to bridge this gap, and what have I gotten in return here? I had a Clinton supporter suggest my daughter should be raped because it'd serve me right for supporting Obama.

You sir, take your friggin' high horse and leave. Vote for McCain for all I care. If you're so deluded you think it's OBAMA supporters who've been hating, then I want nothing to do with you; the Republicans deserve you.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:37:11 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 2)

What is most striking to me is that superdelegates got NO letters from Obama supporters threatening to leave the party if the superdelegates did not support Obama.

It seems to me that Obama supporters are the ones who have shown greater support for the right of superdelegates to make up their own minds.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:31:22 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

The Hillaryis44 group has been doing this for months now, specifically with Donna Brazile (who they call Brillohead, if that gives you an idea of their maturity level). They consider it a matter of pride when they get a response back that flat out tells them they're not helping Clinton's chances.

Some of these people just want to stamp their feet and throw a temper tantrum. The fact that they continue to do so to the superdelegates when it hurts, not helps, their cause is pretty revealing about what's more important to them - their venting, or their candidate.


can't rec, can't rate, par for the course
by upstate girl on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:32:10 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

The rhetoric toward Donna B. has been pretty appalling.  Much of has a racial aspect to it.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:21 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

They actually had a drawn out argument where some people tried to convince the rest that maybe it wasn't the smartest idea to call her Brillohead over and over again, and even tried to explain why it was hurtful. One poster left in a huff over it because it was offensive to HER that she couldn't call someone a name like that! (Of course that poster is also now all-caps proclaiming that the black community is behind a takeover of the White House and his entire cabinet staff will be black, so there you go.)


can't rec, can't rate, par for the course
by upstate girl on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:36:39 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

Thanks for the information. I check them out once in awhile, but not that often. What I read there is pretty stunning. One sad post I just saw comes from a student who will be eating ramen because she just sent Clinton $20.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:40:36 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

Wait a sec.  Why is that sad?  

I've seen a dozen or more comments on dKos and MyDD from people saying something along the lines of "I can give up another week's worth of lattes, I'll send another $xx to Obama tonight!"

Why is it sad that a student who believes in Clinton is willing to eat ramen for a week, to be able to send her $20?

The former is more sad to me than the latter -


by aggieric on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:52:19 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

Because at this point its going to pay off massive campaign debt, including $10 million to Mark Penn. None of her supporters should have to pay off that fool.


can't rec, can't rate, par for the course
by upstate girl on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:54:58 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

I gave up a week of groceries and hit the ramen and canned food in the shelves to send Obama a hundred bucks. I had enough for diapers and baby formula, that's about it. But heck, thanks for perpetuating the latte stereotype. Kudos to you.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:39:02 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

shrug

You don't have to believe me.


by aggieric on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:42:59 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

It's sad because Clinton has no chance to get the nomination, she has millions of dollars of her own and the chance to earn millions more, and this poor student is going to do without to send her money.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:41:12 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

This student, like all of us, chooses to express her ideals with the way she uses her money.  Feeling sorry for her says more about one person's arrogance than it does about her dedication to her political ideals.


by aggieric on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:45:02 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

'Racial aspect'.. more like racist aspect. The comments on hillaryis44 and some comments here about Donna make Imus look incredibly tame.


by Tatan on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:43:12 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

"(who they call Brillohead, if that gives you an idea of their maturity level)."

It demonstrates more than maturity level. Frankly, I think all these racists for Hillary are really dyed-in-the-wool Republicans who's only purpose is to sow discord.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:51:31 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

I actually fully believe that a good number of them are Democratic voters, at least when they started out. Racism isn't restricted to one political party, unfortunately - when the Democrats became the party of civil rights in the 60's, there were a LOT of white Democrats that left the party.


can't rec, can't rate, par for the course
by upstate girl on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:53:32 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

I believe their anger towards Obama is because it never occurred to them that they were racist before, and it has now dawned on them that they are, and they are projecting their anger on the source of their discomfort.


by interestedbystander on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:14:28 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

However it may be, it's encouraging that there seem to be fewere and fewer such people as time passes.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:28:27 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

Actually, I know there's a group of three or four people from FARK.com purposefully riling people up over there. Heh. Took a lot of effort, because they are very suspicious of new people, but keep that in mind as you're reading.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:40:03 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

They are probably less suspicious of those who feed them the poison they crave.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:06:49 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

how would this be much different from the aa voters' assertion that there would be dire consequences if hillary "stole" the election from them? no difference, just the media, as usual, pointing fingers at hillary's campaign and giving a free pass to obama's.


by california voter on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:49 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

what media are you talking about this is SUPERDELEGATES themselves saying the letters and emails they are getting are not helping.

and it says there that Taylormarsh.com has roots in this campaign not her campaign, no one asserted its her campaign.

seriously put down the victim card.


Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee
by TruthMatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:37:05 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

The difference - and it was stated - is that Obama supporters aren't trying to pull this blackmail crap with superdelegates.


can't rec, can't rate, par for the course
by upstate girl on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:37:18 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

"And at least four superdelegates on the receiving end of yesterday's emails suggested that they did more harm to Clinton's cause than good".

Of course it does not apply only to Senator Clinton's supporters, but the people who write those sort of emails and diaries are the very definition of the low information voter.

Sometimes the people who consider themselves a candidate's strongest supporters are in fact that candidates own worst enemy.


by My Ob on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:35:53 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

I realize that definitions of "low information voter" vary, but they shouldn't vary so widely to include people who are communicating with superdelegates, for pete's sake.


by Mobar on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:22:26 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (none / 0)

"I realize that definitions of "low information voter" vary, but they shouldn't vary so widely to include people who are communicating with superdelegates, for pete's sake"

Perhaps you are assuming that all these people independently and separately decided all by themselves to communicate with superdelegates.

Try thinking, for example, of some of the people who email the Federal Communications Commission about a television show that 'outrages family values'.


by My Ob on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:12:41 PM EST
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Taylor Marsh (none / 0)

How gross.

She is one person who lost her place in our tent long ago.

This is maybe her one tv appearance, I wonder why?


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:43:28 AM EST

Re: Taylor Marsh (none / 0)

ha, this WAS her only appearance on TV,  love my man Abrams.

Calling out the right wing playbook 6 months ago!

If only she were a republican, her and Buchanen would be a great pair for a show.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:46:29 AM EST
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Re: Taylor Marsh (none / 0)

Thanks for posting this. It exemplified the gender victims and complete imperviousness to evidence and logic that one encounters from some Clinton supporters sometimes.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:02:15 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters (2.00 / 1)

it isn't a threat, it is a promise.

I voted for Carter in 1980, Mondale in 84, Dukakis in 88, Clinton in 92 and 96, Gore in 2000, and Kerry in 2004.  That means 1) I really am a Democrat, and 2) I have voted for the loser more times than not.

I initially supported Edwards, then switched to Hillary.  I just don't "get" the Obama-mania.  maybe I am too old. But I just don't see anything in him other than youthful exuberance and flowery talk. (And he is pretending to be younger than he is because 46 is not really that young). I liked McCain in 2000, and MIGHT that is MIGHT have voted for him over Gore (had the monkey-boy not been the Repug nominee).  I gues that means I am an Independent-leaning Democrat.

I am now undecided.  I still have 6 months to decide. But we are already down to my third/fourth choices, (meaning I am not giving one dime to Obama or McCain; in contrast to giving hundreds to Edwards and Hillary).  But I may very well vote for McCain.

Sorry, should have picked a better nominee.


by WolfmanJack on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:46:11 AM EST

Your rationale and your (2.00 / 1)

experience is identical to that of both my brother and me.

If  "Democrats" are going to demand a purity test for Clinton supporters, they're going to have to kick a whole lot of non-Clinton supporters out of the party too - I'm not talking the Liebermans here, I'm talking the Testers and the Webbs and the Schulers and dozens more "Democrats" who currently sit in the House and the Senate, and who don't vote the "party line"


by aggieric on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:57:34 AM EST
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This isn't about voting the party line... (none / 0)

it's about voting for the Democratic candidate for president.  I can guarantee you all those people you mentioned will do so.  Why are you so unwilling to?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:13:11 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters (none / 0)

Sorry to hear it. If this is the decision you make, you will be in a very small minority, and you will be offset by Huckabee/Paul supporters who will refuse to vote for McCain.

It's just not that big a deal.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:58:02 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters (2.00 / 2)

Go vote for McCain then.  We will win this thing without you.

What do you think your temper tantrum is going to accomplish?  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:58:03 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters (none / 0)

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:59:01 AM EST
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Re: HRC supporters (none / 0)

If you are willing to vote for a man who intends to continue a war that costs us untold fortunes and thousands of lives because someone you consider to be flawed is the candidate, then you deserve the America you will get.

The problem is that you'll take the rest of us with you.  This election is about more than Hillary Clinton.  It is about more than Barack Obama.  It is about our future, and fixing the problems we've racked up.

Do you want your kids to die in Iraq?  How about somebody else's kids?  Looking forward to a collapse of entitlements due to a lack of funds?  How about a dollar in crisis?

Vote for McCain if that's what you want.  You are welcome to make any choice you like, but understand that we've GOT to turn this country around.  McCain would be somewhat better than Bush in competence, but in all the ways that matter he'll take us further down this same road.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:04:26 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters (2.00 / 1)

Ignore some of the other respondents here. I too used to have alot of respect for John McCain and I've spent the past few years wishing like hell that Bush hadn't defeated him in the 2000 primary. I think we'd be alot better off as a country, for example I don't think he would have let the neocons push him into Iraq. But I also believe that the John McCain of 2008 is not the same guy as the John McCain of 2000. He has abandoned his principled stand against torture to drum up base votes, he's abandoned his own campaign finance law when it became a burden, he's promising pro-life judges to the religious right, he's made clear that he wants a permanent US military presence in Iraq. The list goes on. He's just not the principled maverick that we saw in the past. I would ask you to take that into account in your decision.


Proudly joining the legions of people and states that don't matter on May 20th.
by Obama Independent on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:06:09 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 3)

So what makes Kerry a vote you could make, and Obama one you pause at?

Im dying to know why.


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Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:48:44 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 1)

nice to have an echo chamber in here guys ;)


"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Plato
by canadian gal on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:49:35 AM EST

Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 3)

Pathetic. Hillaryis44 and the Taylor Marsh crew ( she is not so bad, it's her sheep who are nuts) are doing more harm than good.

I think Marsh (if she is a Democrat) should draw the line in the sand. It's time she took responsibility for what goes on there.

I think Scan is great. I would hope she posted more on MyDD and helped out the nominee instead of hanging out with some of the racist filth that inhabits Taylor Marsh. She deserves better than that.

Hope you read this Scan and give it a little thought.


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:51:09 AM EST

They posted examples of the letters to (none / 0)

write on Hillaryis44.  Someone also gave instructions how to put one superdelegate's name on the TO line and bcc the rest of them.  The next step was for the emailer to create a new email account and do it again.  I was thinking at the time 'I'm so glad I'm not a SD.'

If anyone thinks these are individuals who are just expressing their concerns to the SD's, they are wrong.  This is a concerted effort by a few individuals who mistakenly think it is somehow helpful.


Republicans = Borrow and Squander
by GFORD on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:59:00 AM EST
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Re: They posted examples of the letters to (2.00 / 2)

No no no,  Taylor Marsh is garbage.

I have been investigating her for a while and can't find a lick of credibility.

Watch her talk at YealyKos,  she seems to capitulate to bush for FISA.

She said she didn't agree with the panel and got booed.

Im still waiting to hear one positive thing about her.


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Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:15:24 PM EST
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Re: They posted examples of the letters to (2.00 / 0)

Check this blogger out. The dude is hilarious.

He did some research on Marsh and it is an epic piece.

http://johnbrownks.blogspot.com/2008/03/ fraud-or-legitimate-pundit-taylor-marsh. html


by cherrygarcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:20:21 PM EST
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Re: HRC supporters hurting not helping with Supers (2.00 / 2)

These people didn't vote for Barack anyway and he's still KICKING HER ASS in popular vote by three quarters of a million votes regardless.  I'm not scared and I won't be held hostage to blackmail either.  Let them leave if they want to.  

The number of new voters coming out to support BO is larger than the number of sore losers that will stay home or vote for a 3rd Bush term anyway.  Maybe the new voters will turn out to actually be loyal democrats and the party will be better off having shed a candidate who doesn't fit the same description and a handful of voters who would abandon both the progressive platform and the need to reinstate our civil liberties all for a hissy fit.

These people may be willing to gamble that legislative majorities will effectively put a check on Judicial nominees coming out of an Abe Simpson administration, but they cannot tell me that we will necessarily get another opportunity this good to repudiate neoconservatism permanently and reinstate the civil liberties that the W administration and the 109th Congress took from us. If that isn't important enough to these people then I question whether they were really ever democrats.


Government derives its power from those that it governs.
by lockewasright on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:52:04 AM EST


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