Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton

by steve468, Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:16:16 AM EST

Last Evening US Rep. Chris Carney, after months of mulling over who to endorse, finally decided to endorse Hillary Clinton.

In a statement, Carney said he met with Clinton on Wednesday, "and let her know Thursday that I am supporting her."

"We are extremely fortunate to have two very strong candidates vying to lead our nation. Pennsylvania's 10th (Congressional) District (voters) overwhelmingly chose Sen. Clinton in the Pennsylvania primary and I will respect their decision."

On another note: Pa. Senator Bob Casey, an Obama supporter, refused to call for Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race.

*This endorsement was buried in the news. I suppose the media doesn't consider the endorsement important!*




Tags: Clinton, Pa, Rep Carney, Endorsement (all tags)

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No, it is not. (none / 0)

Not when she had a congressman from NJ switch to Obama and he picked up 3 supers and an union endorsement.


by tracey webb on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:17:36 AM EST

It's interesting isn't it... (none / 0)

that since he's the "inevitable one" at this point that ALL the supers haven't endorse him as yet.

What are they scared of?

Could it be of him...um....losing in the fall?

The party is now divided along racial lines. The republicans must be laughing their asses off.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:23:37 AM EST
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Re: It's interesting isn't it... (none / 0)

I think they are just showing Hillary some  respect.  They are going to let the process play out and slowly move to Obama in enough numbers to end this, unless she continues to attack Obama.  Then you'll see many more defections.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:28:51 AM EST
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Well of course they'll defect... (2.00 / 1)

and probably nominate Obama. Democrats actually like to lose general elections. It's clear to me now.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:31:52 AM EST
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Interesting (none / 0)

You think we're aiming to lose this year, of all years?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:33:17 AM EST
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Re: Interesting (none / 0)

Anger takes hold of rationale. Unfortunately.


by tracey webb on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:39:57 AM EST
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Yeah. Because clearly democrats (none / 0)

don't have the capacity to figure out who can actually make good General Election candidates. You know, a candidate who is not polarizing, elite or divisive racially or otherwise.

We the smart/engaged political savvy ones HAVE NOT YET figured out what the rest of the country finds  acceptable in the White House. The republicans have figured this out 7 times in the last 10 elections and we're still bumbling along.

So yeah, we're aiming to lose.

Barack "the One" Obama, does not have a wining coalition.  His comparison to Kerry yesterday is probably a glimpse of what's coming in the fall.

Oh well. That's those lovable democrats for you. Great people. Love to lose.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:47:33 AM EST
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Re: Yeah. Because clearly democrats (none / 0)

So True!


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by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:05:01 AM EST
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Yeah, right (2.00 / 1)

Because Obama has done everything identical to all those other failed candidates.

Crimeny, Obama talks about exactly the issue you're mentioning and his strategies for defeating it, and you're writing him off?

Nah, take a hike with your negativity.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:18:45 AM EST
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Re: Well of course they'll defect... (none / 0)

I made a rather lengthy comment on this yesterday. The Democrats have an unfortunate history of picking nominees that are too liberal, and ultimately lose in the GE. We have seen it time and time again. Obama supporters have this bazarre notion that the heavens are going to rain down on their nominee and the voters are going to flock to the polls to pull the lever for Obama. Well sorry to say it doesn't work that way in the general election, and they will soon know what I am referring to. Obama carries to much baggage now, and his "messiah" image has been tarnished.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:46:57 AM EST
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Re: It's interesting isn't it... (none / 0)

It looks like they might be laughing, especially since they had even challenged him to make his endorsement. These Washington insiders are nothing but a bunch of vultures, they pounce when they feel they have to in order to survive. Politics is a dirty business, it always has been and will continue to be so. If by some chance Obama should win the White House, which looks unlikely, he will be in for a very rude awakening. Like all other Presidents, his black hair will soon turn very gray, and the word "change" will be long forgotten.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:34:53 AM EST
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Re: It's interesting isn't it... (2.00 / 1)

OH please.

It is over, you know it and I know it.

Either support the party or vote Nader.  Up to you.


by tracey webb on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:39:21 AM EST
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Re: It's interesting isn't it... (none / 0)

Oh don't worry. I'll be a good little democrat and  go vote democrat. But since it's probably going to deteriorate, with lots of egging on by the republicans into...

White America vs. Black America

I have some heads up as to where this is going.


It's an election, not an auction.
by cosbo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:51:41 AM EST
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Re: It's interesting isn't it... (none / 0)

That's the point.  They're SCARED.  Look at Carney, he actually thinks he had to vote for Clinton because of his district.  Someone forgot to let him know that being a superdelegate he should represent the entire Democratic party, not just his district or state.

Too often in the past Democrats have been afraid to make the hard choice.  The case is the same with the supers.  Their scared to make the choice, so they're holding on as long as possible.  I hope they don't wait any longer than June when all voting is done.

Weak idiots.


by RussTC3 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:44:50 AM EST
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Re: MEDIA! ENOUGH ALREADY. (none / 0)

Well said. Most of them are sitting on the fence until after June 3, afraid to make decisions one way or the other. This trickling of Supers makes we wonder why Obama can't persuade them to jump the fence after his win in NC and after what the media is doing to Hillary. After she slaughters him in West Virginia and Kentucky she will once again have another strong argument to make to them after all is said and done. The media pundits can harp all they want about the race being over, but they are not going to convince the millions of Clinton supporters  of this.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:53:01 AM EST
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Re: MEDIA! ENOUGH ALREADY. (none / 0)

This trickling of Supers makes we wonder why Obama can't persuade them to jump the fence after his win in NC and after what the media is doing to Hillary.

All leaked information I've heard suggests that the supers don't want to make it look like they're putting the final nail in the coffin.

A few supers will endorse every day until May 20, at which point the pledged delegates earned by Oregon and Kentucky will put him over 2025.  Pelosi & Co. will endorse at that time, as will any remaining supers.

The last thing we need is what appears to be a superdelegate coup.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:22:49 AM EST
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Re: MEDIA! ENOUGH ALREADY. (none / 0)

If the Supers are acting in any organized way together they are the only Democrats that are.


by ellend818 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:22:00 PM EST
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Huh? (none / 0)

Obama's campaign is incredibly organized.

Superedelegates have their own mailing lists and message boards.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:24:45 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

This comment placed by the Obama campaign?


by ellend818 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:26:59 PM EST
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Well, no. (none / 0)

I'm just a volunteer and donor.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:30:05 PM EST
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The media has moved on. (none / 0)

It took some guts for Carney to endorse Clinton, but the media has shifted the narrative to Obama's inevitability, as they should have done in February after an extended series of 18%+ wins.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:22:49 AM EST

Re: The media has moved on. (none / 0)

the media may have moved on but Obama is far from inevitable.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:32:31 AM EST
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True (2.00 / 2)

A meteorite might strike him.  Russia might declare nuclear war on us.  He might get caught up in a drug deal gone wrong and go on the run from the cops.  A time warp might open up and send him to the past, where he gets his arm cut off and replaces it with a chainsaw to fight zombies.

A lot of things might happen, but the most probable one is that Obama will be the nominee.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:36:52 AM EST
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Not in PA-10 (none / 0)

White, rural district in which Clinton won a 3-1 delegate split.


by Adam B on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:49:20 AM EST
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What's the relevance? (none / 0)

We all know Clinton got a lot of support in Pennsylvania; that doesn't change the fact that February marked the TKO of the primary.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:24:11 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 1)

The race is over. Obama is outpacing Clinton in daily superdelegate endorsements by about 4-1. She needs around 75%-80% of the remaining undecided super delegates to have a shot. With Obama ahead in momentum, money, pledged delegates and popular vote, that just ain't gonna happen. I think it's time to hang it up, and fight for Obama against McCain.


by mecarr on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:32:34 AM EST

Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

We have all heard that math a million times, it doesn't need to be repeated over and over again. She continues to receive endorsements despite the media blitz against her. I'm just waiting to see what headlines they put up next Wednesday morning when she destroys him in West Virginia.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:38:13 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 1)

You think winning WV, with 28 delegates is going to change anything?  She lost the media narrative.  It is over.  Obama already said she will win WV an KY and when he wins OR he will wipe away the popular votes from those two states.  Her problem, NO MORE STATES TO GET DELEGATES.  Remember, it was she and her husband who implement the NOW DNC rules.  She got to abide by it, period.


by tracey webb on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:43:43 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

And her lead in WV continues to widen after the media blitz. Now hovering around 75% to his 25%.

The Obama campaign plan: WIN BY LOSING!


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:56:51 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

Steve,

Obama knows WV is going heavy Clinton?

A lot of "hard working white folks" who are going heavily for McCain in the fall anyway?

Sheesh....


"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"
by WashStateBlue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:02:09 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

WashStateBlue,

That is the point I am trying to make for those who haven't been around politics that long, which is the vast majority of Obama supporters. The media can downplay the importance of WV next Tuesday, but many  of us older voters understand the significance of this state in the GE. No candidate has won the White House without winning WV since 1916. So his landslide loss is going to have some bearing on the supers when or if they ever decide to make their decisions. Yes! he can downplay the results there, and pretend like the state doesn't matter in his equation, but come November he will understand how important every state is.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:09:42 AM EST
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"Landslide loss" (none / 0)

Man, a lot of people here have time machines.

Anyways, there's no magical connection between West Virginia and the presidency.  It's a statistical anomaly, not voodoo.  Are you saying that the Supreme Court looked at who won West Virginia before making their 2000 decision vs. Gore?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:31:52 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

I'll be interested to see what turnout looks like in WV.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:13:00 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

GREAT.  Remember, the Revolution won't be televised.


by environmentally blue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:36:58 AM EST

Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

LOL: Yeah it will get buried, just like the War protests were. Media only wants to highlight what they feel is important. I though we still lived in a democracy?


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:39:44 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (2.00 / 1)

The people voted. Obama won. That's democracy.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:13:35 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

What's you definition of a democracy? If you think "Democracy" means that the media cover what you want them to cover or that they cover everything equally then you are mistaken. That's not what democracy mean.

What it does mean, however, is that you are free to start your own media company and cover whatever you think is most important.


by poserM on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:19:30 AM EST
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Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

West Virginia should get as much media as Obama's win in Nebraska, how about that?


by mecarr on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:19:26 AM EST

Re: Rep. Chris Carney Endorses Clinton (none / 0)

not at all, because Nebraska is so in play more than West Virginia in the general election. The last time a Dem won that state was only in 1964 you know, whereas West Virginia voted Democrat as far back as.....1996


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:30:54 AM EST
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And yet... (none / 0)

Gore still should have won the election without West Virginia.

Really, enough with the voodoo.  Obama will look at the facts and devise a campaign strategy that gets as many electoral votes as possible.  We don't need to cherry pick here.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:03 AM EST
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