Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal

Cross-posted at DailyKos.

Yesterday (Wednesday), the Michigan Democratic Party Executive Committee voted to propose a compromise to the DNC rules committee for seating Michigan delegates (the rules committee meets May 31). They are proposing to award 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 pledged delegates to Obama.

There are several indicators that this compromise may have the approval of the Obama campaign, including the Obama campaign making positive statements about the delegate deal itself, and Axelrod and other Obama advisors saying that Obama will wrap up the nomination May 20th.

Join me after the jump...

Yesterday, the state's Democratic Party Executive Committee had a conference call, and two plans were presented by the Gang of Four. The 80-member committee voted for the 69-59 option. The alternative that was voted down was 73-55, which was based on the proportion of the January 15 results. The 69-59 proposal is considered a compromise to make up for Obama not being on the ballot.

Both proposals were developed and presented by the Gang of Four, a group put together by the governor of Michigan to help broker a deal to get the Michigan delegates seated at the convention. The Gang of Four are:


  • Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (D-MI)

  • Ron Gettelfinger, President of UAW

  • Sen. Carl Levin (MI)

  • Debbie Dingell (the dem party official who pushed the hardest to move up the primary in the first place, also happens to be wife of Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) according to Yahoo News)

Although all sources agree that there is no guarantee that the DNC Rules Committee will accept this proposal (or any proposal), there are quite a few hints that this plan has been approved, at least somewhat, by the Obama campaign. At the very least, the Obama campaign has been involved in talks with the Gang of Four regarding the proposal that was accepted by the Michigan Democratic Party Executive Committee. David Plouffe and two Obama campaign spokespersons have also made positive comments about this proposal.

Several media outlets have noted that Plouffe has had positive remarks about this proposal. Detroit News went as far as to say that Plouffe "had his kindest words yet for the plan."

I must note, though, that although several articles describe Plouffe's remarks as very positive, and some reports intimate his approval, the quotes the articles provided were somewhat inconclusive (IMHO).

Detroit News quoted Plouffe as saying,

The 'Gang of Four' sent out a letter recently that was really meaningful.  [It was] an underappreciated moment.

The Detroit News also notes:

While [Plouffe] didn't fully embrace the plan, he said the Obama campaign continues discussions with Michigan officials and remains open to negotiations with Florida.

Additionally, the Detroit News says:

The Clinton campaign has described such negotiations as "backroom deals" in which it won't participate.

Politico reports that Plouffe wrote in a memo:


With the Clinton path to the nomination getting even narrower, we expect new and wildly creative scenarios to emerge in the coming days. While those scenarios may be entertaining, they are not legitimate and will not be considered legitimate by this campaign or its millions of supporters, volunteers, and donors.

Toledo's local Fox station had this quote from Plouffe:

It's clear if this is going to get settled from a negotiation standpoint, it's going to require us being generous and offering to give her some delegates. We're actively reviewing that proposal.

Senator Levin (MI) said:

What [Tuesday's primary outcomes] does is ... make it more likely that Obama will emerge and as soon as somebody emerges, I think this gets resolved.

According to mlive.com (a Michigan news outlet), the chair of the Michigan Democratic Party said of this proposal:

[We] are closer to reaching a solution agreeable to the candidates and state and national party officials.

According to Yahoo News, Obama spokesperson Bill Burton said:

It is clear results in January won't be used to allocate delegates, and we agree with that decision. We have been talking with Michigan leaders about this proposal and will continue to do so.

Democratic National Committee members Joel Ferguson of Michigan and Jon Ausman of Florida had filed a separate plan with the rules committee previously, but according to mlive.com (and other news reports), that plan will be withdrawn in favor of this new plan. Their plan called for seating the delegates with half a vote each, based proportionally on the January 15th primary results.

So, what would this mean for the delegate count?

Ok, first of all, the 69-59 split would not include supers and add-ons. Michigan also has 26 superdelegates and 2 add-ons (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this). Right now, the magic number is 2025, but if we add 156 delegates, then the magic number goes up to 2104.

It should be noted, though, that none of the articles mentions superdelegates. I would personally like to see the Michigan (and Florida) party leaders who got us into this mess punished by not seating them as superdelegates. I have a feeling that won't happen, but who knows.

You shouldn't worry about this making it easier for Clinton to steal the nomination from Obama. The only way to significantly change the math is to add a significant number of delegates that can still be allocated. This proposal adds delegates that are already allocated, giving only a net 10 gain to Clinton. If they seat superdelegates (and I haven't seen anything saying that they will or will not), that only gives about 26 supers and 2 add-ons that are unallocated. If Clinton somehow got all of those to commit to her, it would barely make a dent in her delegate deficit.

The Obama campaign says it ends May 20

If Michigan and Florida (especially Michigan) were not settled, then Clinton would surely make it as difficult as she could, using whatever clout she had left, for Obama to wrap up the nomination. Given this fact, I don't think the Obama campaign would be setting a date for the end of the primary if a deal with both states were not in the works.

In fact, an Obama senior advisor told Politico that the Obama campaign will declare victory on May 20th. David Axelrod confirmed this morning with Newsweek that May 20th is the date that Obama expects to wrap up the nomination.



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Re: Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal (2.00 / 1)

It has been in the interests of the Obama campaign to resolve this issue for months.  I'm happy to see that they might finally be catching on to that.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:09:16 AM EST

In the interest of compromise (2.00 / 1)

I dont know if it gets better than this, but I still bellieve there should, at a minimum, be a 50% penalty and Id love to see no super delegates for Michigan.  This mess is their fault.  They put Michigan in this place, not the the DNC, Clinton or Obama.

Michigan has a three cycle history of playing chicken on this issue and the supers who control it were warned by all of the consequences.  They should pay the ultimate price even if there is no 50% penatly.

No supers in Michigan.  They made this mess and left it for the DNC, Clinton and Obama to pick up the pieces and now want their glory as well.  Screw em.


by pattonbt on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:22:38 AM EST
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Re: In the interest of compromise (2.00 / 1)

Well that's easy to say if you don't have loved ones in the state or  didn't vote there or haven't lived there...etc.  I mean, the truth of the matter is that voters had no say in this, and punishing delegates doesn't do as much of a disservice to the elected officials as it does the voters of Michigan (and Florida).

I understand the political expediency of this, however, as I can't imagine a single MI or FL superdelegate going for anyone other than HRC.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:27:29 AM EST
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Re: In the interest of compromise (2.00 / 1)

Actually, Obama does have the endorsements of one Michigan superdelegate and 5 Florida superdelegates.

Rep. John Conyers (MI)
Rep. Robert Wexler (FL)
DNC Allan Katz (FL)
DNC Joyce Cusack (FL)
Rep. Kathy Castor (FL)
Add-on Dan Gelber (FL)

Clinton has 8 from Michigan and 7 from Florida

Gov. Jennifer Granholm (MI)
Honorable John Cherry (MI)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (MI)
Rep. Sander Levin (MI)
DNC Joel Ferguson (MI)
Rep. Dale Kildee (MI)
Rep. John Dingell (MI)
Sen. Bill Nelson (FL)
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL)
Rep. Alcee Hastings (FL)
Rep. Corrine Brown (FL)
Rep. Kendrick Meek (FL)
DNC Raul Martinez (FL)
DNC Chuck Mohlke (FL)
DNC Ken Curtis (FL)

It is interesting that aside from the Florida add-on endorsing Obama recently (surprisngly), most of these endorsements were made long ago, and it has been pretty quiet in these two states since it became apparent they might not get seated.  I suspect most of the undecideds from these states have made up their minds, but just don't want to endorse until the situation is cleared up.


by Skaje on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:59:16 AM EST
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I guess (2.00 / 2)

Part of me is bitter because my state has never counted before at any time and Ive been asked to suck it up by the time it gets to me, so why should this year be different?  Some years some states get no say.  Its the way it has always been (now hopefully all this mess this year means next time we have a better process where all states get a say - that I know we can all agree on and its one of the things I think has been great about this year).  So Im not completely sold, or worried, about the 'disenfranchising' of voters argument.  We've survived before when more than half the states have had no say and we'll survive this year.

Now, on a personal level, Id love to see Michiganders and Floridians get their input.  But it seems that most people seem to be OK with the 50% penalty.  If they arent penalized in some fashion or are allowed to influence the end game it would reward their original intent which would just open this process up to the wild wild west.  Something has to be done.

So if this total delegate compromise is agreed by all, as there is no one solution that all parties will find fair so a compromise is in order, I still say no super (or as you most aptly put it 'no soupers for you') delegates for Michigan.  So full pledged delegates, no supers.  I really, really, really want the Michigan supers to suffer.  But Im petty.


by pattonbt on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:04:19 AM EST
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Re: I guess (none / 0)

the 50% penalty should have been the max. It what the rules state. A compromise of this should therefore give the states more than 50%, or its not a compromise.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:59:38 AM EST
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Re: I guess (2.00 / 1)

Wait. This doesn't make sense, AND it is incorrect.

The fact you were incorrect on is that in reality, the rules SUGGEST 50% but leave the door open to a harsher penalty.

The part that doesn't make sense is that if the rules did in fact say 50% was the rule, why should there be any compromise that would break that rule?

Logically, if the rule had a hard set 50% delegate penalty, why should any compromise end with a higher percent of delegates?

It's just another Hillary attempt to rewrite the rules if you go higher than 50.


If you are not voting Obama, please let me know so I can replace your sorry ass with another new voter.
by Darknesse on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:40:40 PM EST
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Re: In the interest of compromise (2.00 / 2)

Oh, and one other thing...

"No soupers for you!"

Sorry, I couldn't resist ;-)


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:30:10 AM EST
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Thanks Zoey (2.00 / 2)

Good stuff. I'm really not sure where all the talk about Obama rejecting any and all deals comes from. I'm sure that his campaign, as they should, rejected solutions that weren't fair, specifically the re-vote proposal that was to be sponsored by Clinton supporters (if people don't see the problem with this one, then, a gestalt is in order)


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by lizardbox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:21:50 AM EST

Re: Thanks Zoey (2.00 / 1)

Clinton also rejected solutions she deemed were unfair to her side.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:47:26 AM EST
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Trumped (2.00 / 2)

Hillary has just been trumped!

She now has to edit out the Michigan 'concern' from her speech. This will allow a few more supers to leak out for Obama.


by McTrollop on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:32:14 AM EST

Re: Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal (2.00 / 1)

It's pretty clear to everybody at this point that the delegates will not be apportioned by the January results, at least not until we have a nominee.  If the contest is settled within the next couple weeks, then it is possibly they could be seated as is without it changing the final results much (Obama supporters won almost all of the uncommitted delegate slots).  However, the DNC may insist that at least some penalty be taken against Michigan for going so far ahead and causing most of the candidates to remove their names from the ballot, such as a 50% reduction, which would make Clinton's gains minimal even under the January results.

Florida, since the candidates were all on the ballot, might have a shot at getting full seating, once the nominee is decided.  But if the DNC hits MI with 50% they probably do it to FL too.


by Skaje on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:47:02 AM EST

Re: Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal (2.00 / 2)

Just do it!  Seat Florida as well.  Offer her VP or Senate majority leader! Just do it and get this thing over with so we can move on to the general election and defeating McCain.


by rf7777 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:03:34 AM EST

Re: Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal (2.00 / 1)

Obama can't really "offer" her Senate majority leader.  The Senators would need to do that.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:48:50 AM EST
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Obama could heal the party by getting them seated (none / 0)

And not demanding that the unpledged delegates be given to him.


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:17:16 AM EST

Re: Obama could heal the party by getting them sea (none / 0)

That would only heal the Clinton half of the party -- the Obama half would never forgive that.


by Zoey on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:20:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama could heal the party by getting them sea (2.00 / 2)

exactly.

that wouldn't heal the party in the slightest and thats not a COMPROMISE.

Obama wanted 50/50 Hillary wanted as is, this deal is in between both of those, this is the very definition of compromise.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:29:14 AM EST
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50/50 is vote stealing (none / 0)

he's got the nom, why does he have to do the 50/50 thing? Just seat unpledged delegates as unpledged, they will most likely all go to Hillary's opponent (Obama), what is the problem?


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:00:00 AM EST
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Re: 50/50 is vote stealing (2.00 / 1)

its called a compromise, He won't get 50/50 she won't get as is seating.

eventually you will have to come to terms that the DNC has other interests at work here, even if both campaigns agreed the DNC could say no, FL and MI will be punished.

its not going to be 50/50 its not going to be as is. MI is not even thinking about doing as is, its not going to happen.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:09:42 AM EST
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Re: 50/50 is vote stealing (2.00 / 1)

Here's the problem . . .

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art icle?AID=/20080424/OPINION01/804240315/1 008


by reggie23 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:39:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Debbie Dingell said Obama would get votes (none / 0)

more votes than the campaign is assuming. He's being a real can't-do sourpuss by trying to hoard 50/50 or all unpledged delegates to him. Just seat all unpledged delegates as unpledged, then they'll vote for him.

If he would show some confidence in himself and the voters, you wouldn't get pushback from Hillary supporters.

Here's why it matters:
This is the classic male colleague trying to hold a female's head under water. This happens in the workplace all the time - just step aside honey, don't compete for this job. It's his time and you will only cause trouble. "Troublemaker" is a classic tag given to assertive "mouthy" women.


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:05:11 AM EST
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Re: Debbie Dingell said Obama would get votes (2.00 / 2)

yeah........ right, and its not like they broke any rules here and Hillary is now trying to change things because she needs those votes, I mean not like ANYONE remembers December/Janurary.

I mean even Tiki Barbers, brother admitted yesterday on Morning Joe he didn't vote because he thought it wouldn't count, now he wished he had.

as is seating is not going to happen.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:12:01 AM EST
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Not as-is seating, but cut in half as (none / 0)

the original rules decided.

Here's the thing: one reason I turned away from Obama is I saw his inner John Kerry. Obama has a slight tendency to fear his own shadow. He needs to step out in front of this, LEAD on this issue, and his popularity will soar. He'll look like the bigger candidate and Hillary will shut up.

Many a time this campaign I've said OK fine, it's Obama, I can deal with that. Then he or his supporters get whiny about stuff like this. He's competing for the top job in the entire world. When he gets whiney about something like this? It makes me campaign for Hillary.


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:28:19 AM EST
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He will still get the nom (none / 0)

the unpledged delegates would end up voting for him.


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:58:48 AM EST
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Re: Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal (2.00 / 0)

All this will be for naught now that the DNC does not care about blue collar white voters or their concerns. You can thank Donna Brazile for that.


by Iceblinkjm on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:19:30 AM EST

Or seniors (none / 0)

"It's a younger party, more urban and suburban."


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:29:22 AM EST
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Re: Obama Camp May Approve Michigan Delegate Deal (none / 0)

The really sad thing about all this is I don't think she realizes what she's doing or how it's being taken by folks and if she does well than that bothers me a lot.  


by Iceblinkjm on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:34:48 AM EST


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